Knicks Morning News (2015.11.28)

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Lose Davis to Injury, Clippers Win 111-90 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 07:12:39 GMT)

    Doc Rivers rested all of his starters throughout the fourth quarter against New Orleans on Friday night, a rarity for the Clippers coach this season.

  • [New York Times] Curry Scores 41 Points, Warriors Pour in 3s to Go 17-0 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:24:42 GMT)

    The Golden State Warriors rained 3s in the desert and pushed their NBA-record start to 17-0.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Extend Unbeaten Streak (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:09:27 GMT)

    Golden State guard Stephen Curry scored 41 points and made nine 3-pointers as the Warriors extended their unbeaten streak to start the season to an NBA-record 17 games in a 135-116 victory over the Phoenix Suns on Friday at the Talking Stick Resort Arena.

  • [New York Times] Leonard Scores 25, Spurs Beat Nuggets 91-80 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:03:32 GMT)

    Kawhi Leonard is on quite a roll. The reigning NBA Defensive Player of the Year also is being noticed for his play on the offensive end.

  • [New York Times] Wiggins Scores 22 as Timberwolves Beat Kings 101-91 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:42:39 GMT)

    Andrew Wiggins scored 22 points, Zach LaVine added 19 points and eight rebounds, and the Minnesota Timberwolves got a big game from their reserves in a 101-91 win over the Sacramento Kings on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Green Leads Way on Offense, Defense for Heat (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:36:27 GMT)

    Gerald Green scored a season-high 25 points in Miami’s 97-78 win over New York on Friday, but his defensive effort against Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony might have been the most impressive part of his performance.

  • [New York Times] Harden Scores 50 as Rockets Beat Winless 76ers 116-114 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:24:45 GMT)

    With Philadelphia desperately for its first win, James Harden took over for the Houston Rockets.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Harden’s 50 Drop 76ers to 0-17 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:13:14 GMT)

    James Harden had 50 points, 9 rebounds and 8 assists, and the Rockets beat the 0-17 Philadelphia 76ers, 116-114, in Houston.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | College Basketball: Kentucky Cruises to a Win in Miami (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:12:09 GMT)

    Jamal Murray had 21 points and No. 1 Kentucky scored the final 15 points of the first half on the way to beating South Florida, 84-63, in the Hoop-Hall Miami Invitational.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Basketball: Mexico Is Suspended (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:08:48 GMT)

    The Mexican basketball federation was suspended by the world governing body FIBA because of the national government’s interference in how the sport is run.

  • [New York Times] George’s Big Game Pushes Pacers Past Bulls 104-92 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 05:06:38 GMT)

    Paul George and the Indiana Pacers picked up right where they left off before a three-day break.

  • [New York Times] Payton’s Double-Double Powers Magic to 114-90 Win Over Bucks (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:18:54 GMT)

    Elfrid Payton has been inconsistent this season for the Orlando Magic.

  • [New York Times] Millsap’s Double-Double Leads Hawks Over Grizzlies, 116-101 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:18:52 GMT)

    Paul Millsap had 23 points and 14 rebounds, one of six Atlanta Hawks players who scored in double figures during a 116-101 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Heat 97, Knicks 78: With Little Bench Relief, Knicks Run Out of Steam (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:59:47 GMT)

    The Knicks withered against the Miami Heat, their third consecutive defeat. The ugly loss ensured that the searching and tinkering would need to continue for the team.

  • [New York Times] Durant Leads Thunder to 103-87 Win Over Pistons (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:54:46 GMT)

    Kevin Durant had 34 points and 13 rebounds to help the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Detroit Pistons 103-87 Friday night for their fourth straight win.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Cavaliers and James Top Hornets Once Again (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:46:45 GMT)

    LeBron James extended his personal run of dominance against the Charlotte Hornets by leading the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 95-90 victory Friday night.

  • [New York Times] Gerald Green Scores 25, Leads Heat to 97-78 Rout of Knicks (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:18:48 GMT)

    Gerald Green scored a season-high 25 points while starting in place of Luol Deng, and the Miami Heat beat New York 97-78 on Friday night for their second victory over the Knicks this week.

  • [New York Times] Celtics Run Away From Wizards 111-78 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:12:33 GMT)

    Jared Sullinger had 18 points and 15 rebounds in three quarters and Isaiah Thomas scored 21 points, leading the Boston Celtics to a 111-78 rout of the Washington Wizards on Friday night.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 25 to Lead Cavs Over Hornets Again, 95-90 (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 03:00:37 GMT)

    LeBron James had 25 points and 13 rebounds, extending his personal run of dominance against the Charlotte Hornets by leading the Cleveland Cavaliers to a 95-90 victory Friday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ foul-plagued Porzingis, cold Melo fall to Heat (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:26:25 GMT)

    Black Friday traditionally signifies the start of the holiday shopping season, but the carnage inside the Garden mostly was tinted Green.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks Insider: Rivalry doesn’t cook on holiday (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 06:23:54 GMT)

    There was a time when the rival Heat sharing an in-season holiday meal with anyone on the Knicks was unthinkable.

  • [New York Post] Justise Winslow shows Carmelo Anthony why he was Top 10 pick (Sat, 28 Nov 2015 01:38:04 -0500)

    The Knicks probably would have ended up happy either way. Once in consideration to be taken by the Knicks with the fourth overall pick in the draft, used on Kristaps Porzingis, Heat forward Justise Winslow displayed the two-way skills that made the Duke swingman such an attractive rebuilding piece in Miami's 97-78 win at the…

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    43 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.11.28)”

    1. http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/derek-fisher-has-no-problem-with-using-13-players-1.11171214

      Coach Derek Fisher is still figuring it out, but until he settles on a bench rotation that works, he thinks having 12 or 13 players out there every game and in different situations can help the Knicks more than hinder them.

      “[It’s] more of an advantage than a challenge,” Fisher said before the Knicks faced the Heat on Friday night at the Garden. “It creates an environment where every guy [THAT SUCKS], I think, will continue to make sure he’s ready [TO SUCK] when his number is called . . . Even if our rotation tightens up at different points and we play nine or 10 guys in a particular game, we have 12 or 13 guys that are capable [OF WALKING AND CHEWING GUM AT THE SAME TIME] and hopefully that will help us over the course of an 82-game season.”

      [logical interpretation added]

    2. Top 5 in minutes played: Melo, Knicknacks Borzingis (aka T-Bone), Calderon, Lopez, Galloway. Since Afflalo came back he’s replaced Rolo in the top 5.

      That makes sense to me. Those have been our best players, and Lopez, who has a pretty good track record of better play (he needs to start making some of those shots at the rim, though).

      Then in descending order it’s been Grant, Thomas, Afflalo, The amublatory corpse of Vujacic, Williams, O’Quinn, Seraphin, Amundson and Early.

      Sasha obviously sucks, but given the roster we have he’s probably going to have to play on occassion. And while it’s super frustrating to see him on the court, he’s played 30 minutes total since A-R-Ron got healthy.

      Seraphin is a garbage player who should never see the court, because we have a bunch of better alternatives.

      Early should probably play more.

      So, by my estimation, that’s one guy Fish is playing who he shouldn’t be. That’s not good, but our bench guys are pretty flawed, and I don’t think we could settle on a 9 man rotation and run with it.

    3. Any rotation is gonna have issues, but I’d rather play the 10 man rotation that has more upside/the better players on it than throw everything at the wall and hope a random player sticks. Especially when some of these players are lost causes (Vuj, Amundson who’s not bad but totally replaceable, and Seraphin) who are taking minutes away from younger players who still have the ability to develop their game.

      His rotations have improved somewhat but he should still be giving Williams (who hasn’t been half bad in limited minutes this year) and O’Quinn more minutes. And Early, like you say, should be playing more. He still needs to work on his lineup combos too–shit like the horror that was the Grant Vuj Thomas Seraphin O’Quinn lineup is just unacceptable.

      It’s not like Fisher’s rotations are destroying the team so much as it’s making the team a little worse and making my fan experience absolutely infuriating when I see Seraphin’s fat ass take the court.

      Maybe we can fix the Sasha problem with running Calderon or Galloway at shooting guard when Sasha would take the minutes instead? It seems like Calderons best position is in the Jason Kidd role these days anyway.

      I’d also like to see more KP at center given how he has excelled in limited minutes at the position but I’m not faulting Fish for not doing that really.

    4. 2 Thoughts:
      1. Fish has to be ready to piss some guys off. The rotation should be Lopez/KP/Melo/Afflalo/Calderon/Oaq/Williams/Grant/Galloway with some Seraphin sprinkled in as needed. That accentuates the teams versatility as most of those guys can effectively play multiple positions. It kinda sucks because Seraphin hasn’t been bad at all and probably deserves some consistent minutes. I have no idea why Vuj/Amundson/Thomas aren’t being used for what the team signed them to be- end of bench players. Hell..Vujecic can’t buy a bucket even when he’s wide open. I’m not saying forget about those guys completely, but Fish needs to tighten his rotation and roll with it. It was working in the beginning of the season when Afflalo wasn’t available. SO Afflalo’s return should only strengthen that rotation. I’m not ready to call Fish a horrible coach (even though Phil should have gone after a Donovan or a Thibs when there were signs that they’d be ready to leave their gigs soon). But I can’t help but wonder what in THEE hell is Fish doing??!!!
      2. The one thing that’s more shocking than what’s happening with the Knicks this season, is the fact it took 5O FRICKIN POINTS from The Beard to squeeze by Philly. Jeez! I know Howard’s not right yet, but don’t they still have Lawson, Jones, and Ariza? Those guys are all better than anyone on Phill’s active roster, except Noel and Okafor. Shouldn’t have dumped McHale I suppose. Granted that team has been struggling to find their footing all season, but you gotta trust that McHale and that roster would have figured things out sooner than later. Firing McHale is not gonna bring you closer to the juggernauts out West unless you’re replacing him with Thibs.

    5. Seraphin is a garbage player who should never see the court, because we have a bunch of better alternatives.

      I know it’s easy to criticize the rotation of a coach with a shitty bench, but you’re still being too easy on him. KOQ is probably really annoying to coach, he seems to think he’s Draymond Green. But you just cannot be giving his minutes to Kevin Seraphin, who looks like a really interesting player because of his size and coordination but is truly terrible and uses what powers he has for evil. If you don’t want to play KOQ because he keeps trying to thread the needle and take set shots then play Amundson. Not Seraphin. Ditto for Early over Vujacic. It is physically impossible for Early to be bad enough offensively to outweigh his defensive advantage over Sasha.

      Galloway has had a bad few games, but he shouldn’t be playing only 25 mpg on a team where Afflalo plays 30 and Lance effing Thomas plays 18. And I agree with many who have argued that spacing out Calderon-Melo-Afflalo-Zinger would make sense as two of their top four lineups should plainly not be G-G-KOQ-Lance-DWil and G-G-Seraphin-Lance-DWil as they are.

      On the one hand these may seem like small mistakes, but they are big enough to matter in the aggregate. It would be hard to make massive mistakes on a mediocre team like this — you’d have to bench Melo and Zinger.

    6. Unrelated note: I disagree with people who say that Afflalo has been better defender than advertised. This is pure eye test and I can’t support this, but I have watched every minute and I think he has actually been really weak defensively and has a lot in common with Calderon at this point in terms of trying hard but being constantly overmatched.

    7. I do wonder if some of the players aren’t listening to Fisher. Although I said Seraphin should probably get consistent minutes, I’m not saying that I think he’s good. Just that he hasn’t been playing terribly on this team. He has started to become a big ass JR Smith- as in he takes the wrong shots. I’d like to know why. Clearly he was signed to be a physical interior presence on both ends, but we’ve seen 20 foot hook shots and 20 foot jumpers out of him. Even if Fish went to a hookah bar with Woodson hours before the game, I can’t imagine Fish giving Seraphin that kinda green light. Lance Thomas as well. I don’t mind Oaq taking his set shot when he has space. And I also don’t mind Williams forays to the basket. I’m OK with the shots that everyone else takes, for the most part, except Seraphin and Thomas. Why is Seraphin’s green so bright even when he’s not in the paint? Is he not taking to the coaching? Or are roles not as clearly defined as they seemed to be when the season started?

    8. At this stage in his career, I wouldn’t doubt that Melo’s worse off physically than he says. A lot of miles on those tires. And that’s exactly why I have less of an issue with most of the shots KP, Afflalo, Oaq, Williams. Grant, and Galloway are taking. Melo needs help. If LeBron can’t carry the load with his considerable gifts, Melo damn sure isn’t gonna drag this team to the playoffs. Guys hafta step up. It’s easier to expect that in Cleveland because that team is loaded. But on this roster, guys hafta step up and the youngins hafta grow up a little quicker. I think the youngins are growing up pretty quickly, but they are rookies, so they’re gonna have a ton of rookie moments. Therefore, Fish has to give guys like Oaq, Williams, Afflalo, and Calderon chances to succeed.

    9. Seraphin has shown in the past that he’s a much better player than his current level of play indicates. I’m not saying he’s great, but certainly capable of more. People are being impatient with him as they were with Calderon, who by the way has the highest TS% of anyone playing over 19 total minutes. Until someone really takes over the 2nd unit, I have no problem playing an extended rotation of players who have similar value. Except Lance Thomas, bench Thomas and bring in Early.

    10. FWIW, WP48 has him as one of the worst players in the league since he entered it

      Huh, would not have expected WP to rate him so poorly if only because his numbers from past years seem just slightly below average.

    11. The rotation Fish used to begin the season worked fine. Why he went away from it, I will never understand. Don’t get me wrong- I understand the value of veteran glue guys, but they shouldn’t be getting consistent minutes over talented young guys with potential. Not when you’re trying to build something sustainable at least. Clearly Oaq is out of rhythm after being replace by Amundson, and I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Early has lost confidence. Williams can play the 3 & 4 a lot better than Thomas can, so why has the glue guy been getting more minutes lately than Williams? Vuj getting benched when Afflalo returned is self explanatory. I don’t think Seraphin has been playing horribly, but his consistent minutes have thrown the rotation and chemistry off. Before he was gifted consisted minutes and an apparent green light, Oaq was used to playing 15-20 mpg at PF/C, and Williams was used to playing 18-23 mpg at PF/SF and it worked. If you need defense or hustle or size in the paint, then it’s ok (IMO) to bring in Amundson/Thomas/Seraphin in certain situations. But I don’t think those guys should be consistently taking minutes away from the guys who initially got the team rolling. When you have a new coach or new roster, it usually does take some time to figure out a rotation. George Karl is just now figuring out his rotation. Fish though..Fish had proof of which guys play better together before he started gifting guys minutes once they returned from minor injury- excluding Afflalo. He was a “big” signing and is significantly better than Vuj.

    12. Before he was gifted consisted minutes and an apparent green light, Oaq was used to playing 15-20 mpg at PF/C, and Williams was used to playing 18-23 mpg at PF/SF and it worked.

      Typo there. It was supposed to say consistent minutes

    13. I’d disagree, the rotation that Fisher was using at the beginning of the year had about 2 players who were actually scoring in Galloway and Lance Thomas. Neither of those players were scoring at sustainable levels. I still think Oaq and DWill are our best options, but Fisher was justified in shaking it up. Derrick Williams’ TS% just crept over .500 while Lance Thomas unexpectedly was leading the team in the category for awhile.

    14. @12

      Comparing players based on “average” production is tricky (and one of the arguments that people use to hate on WP/48, all the while using WS/48 with no expressed qualms). If you compare his numbers to the “average” FC, he is bad at everything. Everything, EB.

      First number is league average, second number is Seraphim career.

      TS% 53.6 50.9 (this is a big gap for TS%, Philadelphia has a TS% of 50.2 as a team!)
      REB 12.3 9.6 (this is a huge gap, 75% of league average!)
      AST 2.7 1.6 (bad!)
      TO 2.9 3.4 (bad!)
      BLK 1.7 2.2 (Go Kevin!)
      STL 1.3 0.7 (terrible!)
      PF 5.5 6.9 (terrible!)

      When you add all of these deficiencies up, you get a truly terrible player, and that’s reflected in his all-in-one numbers. It’s hard to overstate the importance of a solid TS% number; there are plenty of teams who have a TS% hovering around 53.6, but only Philadelphia and Detroit (two horrific offenses) are currently below Kevin Seraphim’s career mark. Plus, he takes more shots than league average!

    15. @ptmilo

      The advanced stats agree with you about Afflalo. A D-rating of 110 and a D Box +/- of -2.5. Oh, and he’s only slightly better offensively so far.

    16. TS% 53.6 50.9 (this is a big gap for TS%, Philadelphia has a TS% of 50.2 as a team!)
      REB 12.3 9.6 (this is a huge gap, 75% of league average!)
      AST 2.7 1.6 (bad!)
      TO 2.9 3.4 (bad!)
      BLK 1.7 2.2 (Go Kevin!)
      STL 1.3 0.7 (terrible!)
      PF 5.5 6.9 (terrible!)

      Yeah but his TS the last 2 years has been 53.3 and 53.5.
      That REB number you cherry picked from his worst reb year. Not that he’s great, but he’s more often around 11.
      Yes he’s a terrible passer and commits too many TO’s & PF’s.
      Those numbers aren’t all that far off from average.

    17. http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/346-kevin-seraphin

      Whoops! 10.7, not 9.6. Still terrible. And who cares what his TS% is over the last 2 years. Why didn’t you pick the last 3 years? Because it doesn’t look as good to you?

      Dude, if you think those are “not that far off from average,” you do not understand what the NBA pool of talent looks like.

      This is how this conversation looks to me: It’s like I have 53.6 apples and you have 50.9 apples, and you’re like, “Hey, compared to a person who has 0 apples, I have a lot of apples!” That’s not how it works in the NBA.

      http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/trueShootingPct

      The TS% average between a team who has won 17 games in a row (and looks like it could set a league record for wins) and a team that has lost the same number of games (and looks like it could set a record for losses) is 59.7% and 50.2%. About a shot per ten tries. This means that the difference between a 53% TS shooter and a 50% TS shooter is enormous. Huge. Not simple “below average.” And again, if you see that he is substantially below average in every single box score category except blocks, you should see a player whose career rivals in awfulness Bargnani’s awful career. You may not think it’s “all that far off from average,” but you are absolutely 100% wrong.

      Also, this for you:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_deviation

    18. As much as it pains me, I have to agree 100% with Jowles here. Seraphin is Bargnani-level bad. Like Bargnani, he’ll have a stretch where everything is falling and might block a shot or two, but he has a single-digit basketball IQ. I’d trade him for a 2nd-round pick in a heartbeat and replace him with the best 6′ 10″ guy in the D-League, who could not possibly be worse.

    19. @jowles Certainly its an arbitrary cutoff point, but those two years still hold more relevance than the ones before it.

      My claim doesnt really depend on his career numbers. So I’m not sure why you keep bringing up those numbers, I have no qualms about a 50ts% being well below average. On the other hand without checking deviation, 53.5 and 53.3 seem slightly below average.

      I’m not saying seraphin is good I’m just expressing surprise how much wp punishes him. I figured seraphin would still be slightly positive.

    20. The problem with Seraphin is not that he is slightly below league average, it is that he is more that slightly below league average for his position/role (a low-post halfcourt big.) And that is at the thing he does best. He pretty much sucks at everything else…like, rebounding, defending, passing. So the net effect is that, like Bargnani, you lose ground on both ends of the floor with him out there.

    21. @8, Specificlly, think his surgically repaired knee is sore. 80% of players in the league did not have patellar tendon surgery during the offseason. During an recent game, I saw him wincing and limping, and then saw the trainer massaging the front of his knee in the tendon area.

      Regardless, I’m not making excuses for him, but actually expressing concern that the knee might be an ongoing problem.

    22. I’m surprised that we are not discussing more about Afflalo.

      He’s been fucking terrible as a Knick.

      Not better than an average defensive player and awful on offense.

      TS% .471, PER. 9.0, WS48 0.25, WP48 -0.05

      The other option in Fisher’s hollow head is probably Vujacic, so it’s better this way. But I’m sure hoping that he opt out after the end of the season.

    23. Well, what did you expect? Maybe Afflalo will improve a bit, but he’s probably not that good anymore.

      Hey, at least he’s not Jahlil Okafor!

    24. On another topic, Kawhi Leonard is quietly (as usual) putting up ridiculous numbers after 16 games:

      .613 TS, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, and usually guarding (and shutting down) the opponent’s best scorer.

      I’m taking him after LeBron and Curry, I love Durant and AD, but this guy just does everything well.

    25. At the tail end of an earlier thread, I advocated a couple of things to try to balance the team out and improve rotations. The big move is putting OQ in the starting lineup and bringing KP6 off the bench in a sort of Kevin McHale role, where he’ll still get big minutes and be in the game with the “starters” (less OQ) in crunch time.

      OQ can then just do what he can does best: set screens on offense, and play D (rebound, and hack the heck out of penetrating guards). KP6 is first off the bench (probably 6-8 minutes in). OQ won’t need to shoot with Melo, Afflalo (who has been a big disappointment, so far), Calderon, and Lopez (who often starts games hot when he gets lots of touches).

      KP6 can play the 5 for good stretches with the 2nd unit, giving that group a threat on offense, esp. a good pick and roll partner to help Grant out. He also gives that group a legit shotblocker that it sorely lacks. In crunch time, he can be the 5 in a “small” lineup or the 4 with Lopez against the “East is Big, Man” teams.

      And, yeah. Flaws and all, give D-Will consistent minutes. Vujacic and Seraphin go to spot duty. I’m with you guys that don’t like Seraphin…for all his physical gifts, he just seems to have no BB IQ. If Thomas returns to his mediocre form, then maybe give Seraphin some PT here and there. Just play whoever is “hot” among Thomas/Seraphin/Amundson to the rotation.

    26. I have a hard time believing some of the posts here about how lousy certain players are. Somehow, if a player is to be considered any good at all — he has to be above average. But bench players are below average on average. So we should expect less of them. Seraphin in particular is a bench player on a week team and makes a below average salary. For me to think he is terrible, I would have to think that he is substantially worse than either his salary or his role suggests he should be. So far, I see no evidence of this.

    27. Theory: Danny Green is intentionally tanking so people stop calling him brainwashed for accepting a below market contract.

    28. Not true, KFINJ. Below average for one’s position at a low salary is ok. The point about Seraphin is that he is not simply a below average player. He is below average at the one thing he does best (score in the low post) and average to below average at just about everything else. He is very inefficient for a high-usage low-post player, he takes shots (18-footers and fall-away jump hooks) that put him out of position to do the one thing he does relatively well (offensive rebounding), and turns the ball over at an atrocious rate. But wait, there’s more! While he can block an occasional shot, he is a terrible overall defender who constantly sends opponents to the line. He hurts the team on both ends.

      Lance Thomas is at least a decent perimeter defender. Calderon can at least score efficiently. If those guys play within themselves, they can be reasonably efficient players overall. Not so with Seraphin.

    29. Calderon is a starter and gets paid starter dollars so I would expect he’s above average at one thing at least. It’s not fair to compare Calderon to him. Thomas seems a reasonable bench player. In fact, you might argue that he’s a bargain. But I am not so worried about Seraphin as I am about O’Quinn and about our back up center position in general. O’Quinn gets paid more than either Seraphin or Williams, but apparently both of them have outplayed O’Quinn in practice. Thomas outplayed all of them. So our backup bigs are performing pretty poorly.

    30. What’s wrong with the starting lineup of Calderon Galloway Melo KP RoLo again? Second lineup of Grant Afflalo Lance/DWill OQuinn.

    31. @wetbandit

      There really isn’t a problem with that lineup. More with Fisher’s ridiculous insistence on having a dedicated second unit without any starters on the floor.

    32. Seraphin in particular is a bench player on a week team and makes a below average salary. For me to think he is terrible, I would have to think that he is substantially worse than either his salary or his role suggests he should be. So far, I see no evidence of this.

      How much more evidence do you need than the stats listed in this thread? By all indications, he’s terrible at everything except blocks, which is a near-meaningless box score statistic.

      Worse than giving playing time to Seraphin is that his roster slot could be used to find the next NBDL steal. I cannot believe that Seraphin, one of the worst players in the NBA, is demonstrably better than the best available NBDL player. There is no upside to playing Seraphin.

    33. Getting Hollis Jefferson from Portland was the only good move Brooklyn has made since they moved to BK.

      He’s a great defender (probably best in the draft, followed by Winslow) and was very underrated coming out of AZ.

    34. Without knowing what RPM actually measures, its meaningless. Math formulas need derivation and tranparency to be valid.

      Yeah, I was trying to point out that Gallo supplanting Afflalo might help ease the scoring load off himself and maybe give him some confidence and experience, bring a scorer to the second unit, and boost the defense in the first unit against mobile guards.

    35. Above all else, though, we ned to get the ball moving in the second half when it is clearly not an issue in the first quarter. Reason for that, I think, is that the lineup has experience with one another and can make plays and sets. Then all hell breaks loose in the rotation and everyone goes iso and the ball stops. And I don’t blame melo for all of it.

    36. And another thing, I have yet to see how passing to RoLo or OQuinn at 21 seconds in and 20 ft out, just because it is part of the triangle, is anything but a waste of time and inhibits a point guard’s ability to playmake.

    37. Another embarrassing NY Giants loss today, its sad when Im relying on a Knicks win tonight to salvage my sports day.

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