Knicks Morning News (2015.07.21)

  • [New York Times] Hammon, Spurs Take Las Vegas Summer League Championship (Tue, 21 Jul 2015 04:22:39 GMT)

    Becky Hammon already made history when she became the first female head coach in NBA summer league.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Nuggets Trade Ty Lawson to Rockets (Tue, 21 Jul 2015 03:56:18 GMT)

    Denver received a protected first-round pick in 2016, four plays and cash from Houston.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Welcome Reggie Jackson Back With New Contract (Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:17:05 GMT)

    Less than a month ago, Stan Van Gundy said bringing back point guard Reggie Jackson was his top offseason priority.

  • [New York Times] Owner Seeks to Move Tulsa Shock to Dallas-Fort Worth Area (Tue, 21 Jul 2015 00:04:09 GMT)

    The majority owner Bill Cameron announced his intent to move the W.N.B.A. team, which officially filed for relocation, but a minority owner is fighting to keep the team in Tulsa.

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    184 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.07.21)”

    1. scoring 1.024 points per possession (much better than Towns or Okafor did)

      Suck it haters. Kristaps is objectively much better than Towns or Okafor.

      Commence the ringz manufacturing.

    2. It is my fondest wish that 3-4 years from now we’re going to look back at lottery day 2015 and talk about how unbelievably lucky we were to drop to #4

    3. Jared Zwerling has a nice interview up with Borzingus at bleacher report. My personal highlights:

      “Carmelo Anthony reached out to me after I got drafted. He said, “Congrats, welcome to the team.” I didn’t have his number, so I texted back, “Who’s this?” And then a few minutes later, he said, “This is Melo” with his No. 7 as the “l.”

      ” My first night in Vegas, after my airline baggage got lost, I had my first filet mignon at Caesars Palace, and it’s now one of my favorite foods because it’s healthy.”

      “I listen to a lot of Drake and Meek Mill before games. So I pretty much know the culture and my English is pretty good. But handshakes are different. It’s the hug and then back with your hand. It’s pretty cool.”

    4. And then a few minutes later, he said, “This is Melo” with his No. 7 as the “l.”

      Never stop branding.

    5. Glad to see Noah Vonleh getting some love. He was my favorite player in last year’s draft and he had kind of a lost season but that kid can play.

    6. @8 Hater :)

      @9 yeah he looked good, but they always say look out for the second year guys in Vegas. It doesnt always translate

    7. they always say look out for the second year guys in Vegas.

      Though if a second year guy doesn’t show notable improvement in Vegas, that can be a genuine warning sign. Early’s modest showing doesn’t suggest we should expect much from him this season, if ever.

    8. Vegas is like 150 minutes of D-League competition. As much as I’d like to believe that Kyle Anderson just turned into the Spurs’ next championship point guard, until he shoots over 40% TS…

    9. What I’m really glad to hear is that Melo reached out to Porzingis immediately. It contradicts everything we heard within the first 48 hours after the draft.

    10. Vonleh was a beast as a freshman in the Big Ten, and looked like an ideal NBA stretch four who can shoot the 3, rebound and block shots. He was hurt and didn’t get on the floor much as an NBA rookie but he held his own when he did get out there, playing much like he did at Indiana but predictably with less efficiency. I think he has star potential and Michael Jordan gave up on him way too soon.

    11. I think it’s only fair that we refer to Melo as Me7o from now on. And Porzingis as Porzing15.

    12. What I’m really glad to hear is that Melo reached out to Porzingis immediately. It contradicts everything we heard within the first 48 hours after the draft.

      I anticipate Melo reaching out to Porzingis a lot this season, mostly to say, “Give me the ball! I’m only double-teamed!”

    13. vonleh is also still 19 yo and he’s younger than porzingis.. that was such a bad trade but glad the blazers were able to capitalize…

    14. vonleh is also still 19 yo and he’s younger than porzingis.. that was such a bad trade but glad the blazers were able to capitalize…

      As a Knick fan during the Jordan era, nothing pleases me more than to see him flounder as owner/gm.

      As a statistician, seeing the greatest player of all time not be able to run a team is just the icing on the cake. The guy played 48,000 NBA minutes and yet somehow the eye test has failed him over and over again…

    15. Mike,

      I’m not sure one player not being able to identify talent is any sort of evidence for a larger point that no one can make good personnel decisions by simply watching games. Being a great athlete and identifiying great athletes (plus all else that comes with running a team) are largely different skill sets. There is no universal eye test. Different people will have varying degrees of success regardless of what framework they use to evaluate players (heck, the same person’s success will likely vary over a meaningful sample).

      I would consider myself quite analytical. To me, basketball is a game that is hard to boil down to a few numbers. I think games and stats are complements rather than substitutes. The only purpose of stats, really, is to try to quantify what happened on the court (we then try to analyze those numbers to discern value).

    16. I think it’s only fair that we refer to Melo as Me7o from now on.

      Is that “Me 70” for playing on that bad knee? Man, I wish he hadn’t done that just to be a part of ASW. I hope he’s fully recovered and back to being that devastating scorer we all know that he is

    17. Anthony Bennett, Andrew Wiggins, Trey Lyles, Tyler Ennis, Cory Joseph, Kelly Olynk, Nick Stuaskas, Tristan Thompson-is anyone even guarding our northern border anymore?

    18. Tell you what, with his shot-blocking, length and athleticism, I could see this as an interesting 5 in a small, quick lineup: 5-Ndour 4-Melo 3-Early 2-Galloway 1-Grant.

      Or even: 5-Amundson 4-Melo/Williams 3-Ndour/Early 2-Galloway 1-Grant

      Melo is not ideal, but he is the offensive go-to guy when transition game sputters. But if you can go to these lineups for 8-10 mpg, that spreads the C minutes around enough so that RoLo (28-30), O’Quinn(10-12) and Kristaps (spot minutes) can play suitable minutes there.

      In short, I’d rather sign Ndour than a stiff emergency C, assuming the other spot goes to a smallish uptempo wing shooter.

    19. @8 Hater :)

      Dude, it’s H8er.

      I for one am looking forward to reading all ten installations of Kristaps Mishaps next summer on ESPN, penned by recently acquired good friend, basketball genius, and in-no-way-overly-opinionated hanger on Charley Rosen. Across a smoky booth in the corner of the Ruth’s Chris on W 51st, Zinger will fondly recall the time Phil showed up to shoot-around at the Pepsi Center sporting a certain far off sheen, carefully guarding a half eaten box of jelly doughnuts, and twice pleading earnestly for Bill Wennington to “be and flow” toward a suspiciously empty section of the floor.

    20. Z-man, If we see 8-10 mpg of those lineups consistently I think the team is probably in trouble. Maybe those players surprise, but I can’t really see putting Ndour, Early, and Galloway on the floor together in a non-blowout or emergency situation. I can’t really see putting Ndour at the 5 at all… maybe if it was a special group that gave you an advantage offensively but that first group looks like it would struggle on both sides of the ball. Not that we really know what to expect from either, but I’d bet on Zinger at the 5 way before Ndour. Amundson probably does see some time at the 5.

    21. anyone have any idea why it doesn’t seem like Ndour is getting even a camp invite? imho you can’t do much more than he did in summer league. lots of players who played worse than him are getting guaranteed deals.

    22. anyone have any idea why it doesn’t seem like Ndour is getting even a camp invite? imho you can’t do much more than he did in summer league. lots of players who played worse than him are getting guaranteed deals.

      Because Knicks?

    23. Richard Jefferson to Cleveland. I don’t think that’ll have much of an effect on whether they bring JR back (as I believe they ultimately will) but it must not be a pleasant time in the Smith household right now.

    24. We can take Gallo’s name off of the 2016 Free Agency Bonanza list, as he just signed a two-year extension with Denver. Very interesting move by him. On the one hand, $17 million is a ton of money to get paid annually, but on the other hand, he’d have to essentially blow his knee out again to not get at least 4 years/$60 million on the open market next year. I suppose he just felt that the chances of him doing just that (blowing his knee out again) were simply too high to turn down such a large chunk of money in 2016-17 and 2017-18.

    25. I guess they probably want N’Dour and Thanasis to duel it out for a roster spot? I don’t know if you can have both of those guys on the roster plus Cleanthony plus Lance Thomas– that’s an awful lot of small forward types who do not excel at throwing the ball into the basket. I guess N’Dour is more of a PF, but there’s kind of a logjam there too.

    26. The Gallo deal looks solid for him since 17-18 seems to a player option. So it’s basically a 1-yr $18 million deal for 16-17 and a $16m insurance policy for 17-18.

    27. I’m sure that Knicks brass was impressed with N’dour. But Phil has stated they need another center and they also seem to be looking for another guard. So I can see they wouldn’t rush to sign him even though they think he’s good. And you can’t assume we can invite him to camp. He’d probably rather have a signed contract than a camp invite. I’m sure he’s getting contract offers from Europe, and he might be getting offers from other NBA teams too. So it’s probably only 50:50 that he will even be available for a camp invite.

    28. The Gallo deal looks solid for him since 17-18 seems to a player option. So it’s basically a 1-yr $18 million deal for 16-17 and a $16m insurance policy for 17-18.

      Oh, thanks, then yes, that’s a great deal for Gallo. In fact, it’s a really great deal. It’s sort of a “star” deal, honestly. Good for him.

    29. So I can see they wouldn’t rush to sign him even though they think he’s good.

      True, they were too busy rushing to sign someone who plays the same position as N’Dour who isn’t good. ;)

    30. All these player options for next season.

      I seem to recall Morey’s decision not to match the Chandler Parsons offer sheet being based on the final year player option (which would be for next season). I wonder how they do against GSW if Parsons had the minutes J Smoove was getting

    31. They signed Ariza with the cap room that was opened up by not re-signing Parsons, and Ariza was pretty darn good for them last year, particularly on defense, where Parsons struggles. So I don’t think Morey regrets that move all that much. But yes, Parsons’ contract definitely doesn’t look nearly as onerous as it did when he signed it.

      Did y’all see that Lawson agree to make his final season unguaranteed? Got to give him some credit for that.

    32. Wow I really cannot believe someone would offer gallinari that type of contract. I would say 8 million would be a ceiling for him. he hasn’t shown much ability to do anything on the court other than score a marginal amount of points. He’s going to be 27 and suffered one of the worst acl tears I’ve ever seen.

    33. Have you seen the free agent market next offseason? It is dismal, while at the same time the cap is going up $20 million. Therefore, if you’re even a decent free agent you’re likely looking at a $15 million salary next year. And Gallo is better than decent. Mike Conley might be making $22 million a year next year.

    34. I can certainly see arguing that $18 million is an overpay, but $8 million for .560 TS on slightly above average usage with a solid all-around game in today’s NBA? While scoring is probably overrated, it’s not a marginal part of basketball.

    35. gallo scores pretty efficiently and starting quality SF.. it’s a short term deal that covers the monster cap increase years plus it brings them closer to the salary floor so it’s a good deal for denver… and gallo secures the next few years in case he gets injured again at slightly above market price and guys with his skillset tend to age pretty quickly…

      it’s the new paradigm so you have to revise your salary expectations upward across the board… next year is going to be absolutely bananas…

    36. By the way, while in general I think owners are full of shit when they complain about money, I’ll give them this much, the rising of the cap does mean that the teams that have shitty local television deals are going to be hurt, as the higher cap means a much higher luxury tax level which means much less money put into revenue sharing. The issue, of course, is that who should be responsible for helping out the small market owners? The big market owners who are raking in money hand over fist? Or the players? (I vote the other owners).

    37. Denver is going to be developing their players for years though– they have a pretty good collection of young guys and future draft picks going. Might as well overpay Gallo a bit. What are they gonna do with the cap space, sign Kevin Durant?

    38. the owners want a nfl type of situation without a nfl type of revenue sharing system…. every lockout they have been asking the players to front the bill and every year the players cave because they are too shortsighted….

      they have so much power that they relinquish when they goto the bargaining table and if they were ever more organized… like disbanding the union and creating a rival league themselves complete with a fantasy draft… they could really be much stronger than all the other sports unions…

    39. Maybe if KD really likes pot and high altitudes which I bet go together quite well.

    40. Wow I really cannot believe someone would offer gallinari that type of contract. I would say 8 million would be a ceiling for him.

      I wouldn’t pay him that much either, but this is a similar salary that wings like Tobias Harris, Chandler Parsons, Eric Gordon, Klay Thompson and Gordon Hayward, Jimmy Butler are getting these days.

      Some of these guys are better, others younger, but looks like it will be a trend with the future cap raise.

    41. And unlike those guys, Gallo was set to be a free agent when the cap blows up next year.

    42. Next round of negotiations will be interesting.

      Silver has nothing of Stern’s aura, though he did flash an iron fist when it came to Donald Sterling.

      Michele Roberts seems disinclined to take an ounce of shit from anyone.

      Have NBA players ever been on strike?

    43. They’re all making so much money that I thought for sure that they’d just settle easily when the CBA ran out, but Silver’s recent rhetoric, coupled with the very real fact that the decrease in luxury tax payments will hurt the bottom lines of teams like Washington and Charlotte and the fact that the owners owned the players so much in the last lockout, it now makes me very worried that they will actually be willing to try to get more from them and lock them out again. Hopefully not, as that would be some bullshit.

    44. Why are Canadians never considered Americans? Growing up I never understood why US citizens are the only Americans despite all the other countries in N/S America. Lol

    45. It’s just that the United States put “America” into their actual country name, so when it came time to describe them, they were the “Americans” as otherwise, what would they be called? The Statesmen? It was never intended as a slight to the other countries. Early on, other countries still referred to the other territories in South America as Americans, as well (like “the American Spanish”). It was only when the United States became such a major world power that the term normalized for just stuff from the U.S. (even the United Nations has adopted the phrasing).

    46. I sort of assume that the luxury tax thing will work itself out either through increased spending or the owners just increasing the tax rate if the overage is smaller.

    47. The west is so amazingly tough, the Nuggets are in a really tough position, even for a long-term rebuild.
      They have about 42 million locked up per annum in Faried, Chandler and Gallo the next three years.
      All decent to good players in the right situation, but man, it’s going to be awhile before they are good again.

    48. The Nuggets also have Nurkic, Mudiay and Nikola Jokic on rookie contracts, plus the rights to 21 year old PG Nikola Radicevic, plus swap rights with the Knicks in 2016, a likely first rounder coming from the Rockets in 2016 and a first rounder owed to them by the Grizzlies that will probably convey to them in 2017. They also have a lottery protected first-rounder owed to them by Portland but it’s lottery protected for two years, and Portland may not make the playoffs in 2016 or 2017, and that turns into two second rounders. If Portland does make the playoffs in either of the next two seasons that’s another first rounder for the Nuggets.

      Plus they own all their own picks, and have decent rotation players in Faried, Gallo and Chandler under contract for the next few years. They’re in good shape as far as long-term rebuilds go.

    49. Nurkic looks like he’ll be pretty good, even if he’ll always struggle to finish. Jokic is a 4/5 tweener w/out established 3-pt range and athleticism. It looks like he can be a decent roll player at best.

      Neither of those guys stand out as the caliber of player needed to build a team around in the west.

      Maybe Mudiay turns into a superstar, but outside of that no one on that roster has the kind of upside you need to be a player in the west.

      Again, it’s a team full of average to slightly above average players. But yeah, they’ll have chances to draft the guy they’ll need to make that kind of roster construction work. It’s just going to be a long haul.

    50. The luxury tax shouldn’t be an issue. Dan Gilbert is already carrying about 8 teams next season. Every year or two, there’s one or two Nets or Cavs, who unmistakably ruin their future for a shot at one title. I guess that’s better than the Knicks, who did the same thing for an 8th seed.

      Gilbert is spending might heavily. Is he really that confident Lebron will stay if they win a championship, when he ditched 4 straight finals and two rings for them?

    51. @45 – Gallo may be a starting quality SF, but over the last 4 years, he has played more than half his minutes at the 4 and 5, and he’s an atrocious rebounder — he’s averaged fewer rebounds per 36 than Bargnani. And he gets very few assists, steals or blocked shots. I don’t care what the cap is going to do, 18 million is a serious overpay.

    52. Not Knicks related, but..
      The Pacers’ alternate Hickory High jerseys are a nice touch. I like em. Hate the Pacers..love the jersey.

    53. The luxury tax shouldn’t be an issue. Dan Gilbert is already carrying about 8 teams next season. Every year or two, there’s one or two Nets or Cavs, who unmistakably ruin their future for a shot at one title. I guess that’s better than the Knicks, who did the same thing for an 8th seed.

      I’m definitely not saying you’re wrong, as this likely will be one of those things where we’ll have to see it in practice to know one way or the other, but I personally find it a bit hard to believe that they’ll spend similar amounts of luxury tax if the luxury tax gets that high. Are teams really going to spend $140-50 million on payroll with a $100 million cap? I think the way to fix it is to just introduce a better revenue sharing system, where the Lakers and Knicks get less national money or something like that.

    54. The Pacers’ alternate Hickory High jerseys are a nice touch. I like em. Hate the Pacers..love the jersey.

      Agreed. They’re a lot of fun.

    55. @62 – defensively he’s not good by most metrics but he’s very productive on the offensive end…

      if you stack his numbers next to someone like chandler parsons… they compare very favorably to each other although gallinari gets dinged for his injury history… gallinari unlike bargs is a true SF…

    56. and i kinda like the nuggets team.. they’re not making the playoffs but they have a chance to build some trade value with some of their mid 20s guys and do a proper rebuild or they can start competing if they strike gold in the next two lotteries…

      they did wait way too long on a lawson trade…

    57. I follow Denver almost as closely at the Knicks.

      You can’t really appreciate Gallo’s game by looking at his annual stats. When he’s healthy and fit, he go on stretches where’s he’s averaging around 20 points per 36, 40% from beyond the arc, and a 60% TS%. He also plays decent “D”.

      Take last year. It’s not to unusual for it to take half season to get back in form after an ACL tear (he had 2 surgeries), but he really looked washed up for awhile. He couldn’t even defend me for the first half of the season. Then all of sudden he started to get back in shape. After the all-star break he went on a tear. IMO, he was playing all-star caliber ball down the stretch. He did a similar thing in another year when he was healthy before struggling with repeated wrist issues and blowing out the knee.

      Anyone that watches him nightly and has seen him when he’s actually healthy and in shape knows he’s a marginal all-star caliber player that has had his development stalled badly by a series of bad injuries/surgeries and minor nuisances. Everyone in Denver is waiting for the breakout season they already know is there, but so far he hasn’t been able to remain relatively healthy for an entire season.

    58. Oh yeah, if you look at Gallo’s overall season last year you’d think, “Oh, that’s a pretty decent season.” But then when you factor in that he was terrible for the first half, looking like he might never properly heal, it makes the overall season even more impressive.

    59. @68…
      Indeed. I’ve always liked Gallinari. I’ll never forget the game he went bucket for bucket with Melo. Such a beauty to watch. That solidified him as a potentially really really good player in my eyes. Unfortunately, the injury bug has gotten the best of him. Honestly, for as great a scorer as Melo is, I’d rather have a healthy Gallinari rather than an aging Melo. He’s 27 and can get buckets at an all star level when he’s on. Not saying he’s better than Melo, but Melo is on the wrong side of 30, which makes his knee worrisome.

    60. @64 – Brian, how much money was spent on day 1 of free agency this year? I expect a frenzy. If there was no salary cap, Dolan would spend a billion…at least.

    61. I don’t know Totes, the consistency of Gallo’s injuries is pretty relevant in that comparison. That generally does not portend well on the age curve, let alone when you factor the increased risk of future injury.

      Gallo’s a good player. But there are very few players in the league with Melo’s impact on offense. If you were to ask Melo to have Gallo’s shot selection, his efficiency would be considerably higher than Gallo’s, as I ‘ve demonstrated on this board before.

      There are very few players who are good to elite in virtually every scoring play type, as Melo has been since they’ve started publicly tracking different kinds of plays, and certainly not at Melo’s usage and when factoring in the kinds of defenses he demands.

      Melo’s presence on the court positively influences the opportunities his teammates get, and creates an impact greater than his extremely high usage, above average efficiency scoring (well above average when you look at ppp).

      Melo’s efficiency is going to go up as he ages, and as his ability and will to dominate the game from the high post wilts.

      It’s at that point, when Melo’s usage in the offense begins to come down, that we can actually compare the two players. And there’s every reason to think that if and when Melo plays more of a Gallo role in an offense, he’ll be a superior player then, too.

    62. Good points ruru. I can’t argue with that. I only bring Gallinari’s age up because at 27, he’s still young enough to get better. At 31 and with his knee debridement, I’m not so sure about Melo’s effectiveness going forward. That said, I hope Melo is healthy again. Love him or hate him, no one can deny that he’s a helluva player. I actually think that the “he doesn’t make his teammates better” line is a tad overplayed. He’s had talented players around him, just not the right ones. Which makes him such a frustrating player. I think every player in the league would love having a teammate that puts up 25/6/3/1 steal on 45% FG 35% 3FG 81% FT every night.

    63. I Wonder if there’s any discussion about bringing Prigioni back. I’d be for it, even though he’s a geezer.

    64. I doubt it Z..especially with Calderon, Grant, and Galloway still on the roster. Now if Phil would be brave enough to dump Galloway or fortunate enough to move Calderon in a good deal- I’d say yes to Prigs. I’m looking forward to a bounce back season from Calderon and by bounce back I mean better health and shooting percentage. So, we’re ok at the PG spot. SG & SF are the positions that worry me.

    65. I Wonder if there’s any discussion about bringing Prigioni back. I’d be for it, even though he’s a geezer.

      I doubt it. He’s much more likely to be picked up by a contending team, no? Golden State could use a third point, I think.

    66. Oh, sure, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he’d enjoy a reunion. I just think the Knicks are looking more to developing the younger guys and someone like Prigs really looks like he’s a better fit for a team like the Warriors or the Bucks or the Wizards. Plus, there is already a bit of a roster crunch here.

    67. Also, according to the Phil files Pablo didn’t pick up the triangle that well.

    68. Pelicans sign Perkins, Hornets sign Hansbrough. Those were two vet-minimum bigs I thought we might sign.

    69. I am not a fan of the corpse of Perkins. I really like Hansbrough as an intangible guy (way better than Amundson) because he’s the kind of guy you hate playing against (Breen aptly describes him as an irritant) but who seems to positively affect his team beyond his stats.

    70. I think the Clippers would be a good fit for Prigioni, because they have scoring and could use a backup distributor. Doc has even seen Prigioni play against the Clippers and do a good job in the playoffs. But, Doc probably also thinks that Austin Rivers is a good backup point guard, so it’s unfortunately unlikely for Prigioni.

    71. Completely off-topic: has there ever been a lady posting here at KB? I don’t know why but this has been a statistical curiosity of mine for a long time.

    72. Hansbrough would have been a nice pickup-certainly better than Perkins. He’s an interesting player. When he retires he should run a camp like the Dream where he teaches people how to get other players to foul you all the fucking time.

      And Farfa, I’m not sure. Certainly not with any regularity.

    73. I seem to have forgotten that game.

      I only remember the game where Gallinari scored 37 points on 19 shots, whereas Melo missed 20 shots in a losing effort.

      http://espn.go.com/nba/gamecast?gameId=320121018&version=mobile&gcSection=boxscore&src=desktop

      Melo outscored Gallinari by 8, but at one point in the game, Melo would come down and hit a big shot, then Gallinari would do the same in this Knicks win:
      http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300323018

    74. I remember that game, I was rooting so hard for Gallo in his stint with the Knicks. I was really bummed when they traded him away to get Me7o.

    75. Oh, that game when Gallinari still played for us. Right, got it now.

      *

      As a side note, if somebody texted me from a number I didn’t recognize and I asked them to identify them self and they said “Me7o”, I’d still have no idea who they were, so give Ponzingis some credit for having a high b-ball IQ!

    76. I asked them to identify them self and they said “Me7o”

      who the fuck does this? only a seriously self-centered narcissist (like much of the youth of this generation, sadly) would. I’m captain of our softball team and I would never refer to myself as “P3t3r”, that just looks fucking stupid.

      https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/19r-cover1_-c-ta-300×300.jpg

      http://www.complex.com/style/2014/11/a-brief-history-of-athletes-co-signing-art-inspired-by-themselves/carmelo-anthony

    77. I could see Melo’s autotext being set to replace Melo with Me7o as some ridiculous branding thing. As long as he’s healthy and hits his 3’s at a high rate (and then demands a trade) I don’t care if he changes his name to an emoji.

    78. As I understand it, Ledo’s nonguaranteed contract becomes guaranteed as of 10/1 but he can be waived without consequence for the Knicks up until then. Is that right? If so, I don’t get why they’d choose not to waive him and make an offer to Ndour before someone else grabs him. That still leaves room for the backup pg and c they want to add. Ndour might not ever contribute but he seems more likely to than Ledo.

    79. As long as he’s healthy and hits his 3’s at a high rate (and then demands a trade) I don’t care if he changes his name to an emoji.

      What if he changed it to an emoji but then signed his texts by spelling out “an emoji”

    80. “who the fuck does this? only a seriously self-centered narcissist ”

      Yeah thats 95% of successful athletes. Maybe even 99%

    81. So, the Mikes are doing an All Time Starting Five for each NBA team. Here is my Knicks team:

      G: Walt Frazier
      G: Earl “the Pearl” Monroe
      F: Bernard King
      F: Dave DeBusschere
      C: Patrick Ewing

      The toughest call for me is Ewing over Willis. Ewing’s statistical dominance gets the nod over Willis’ heroism and two rings.

      Don’t even talk to me about Carmelo Anthony at one of the forward spots.

    82. Don’t even talk to me about Carmelo Anthony at one of the forward spots, yeah id go with him over Dave D.

    83. G: Tyson Chandler
      G: Tyson Chandler
      F: Tyson Chandler
      F: Andrea Bargnani
      C: Bargnanis negative space

    84. 2012-2013 Carmelo Anthony could deserve a spot on that All Time team. That .560 TS% on his league leading 35.6 USG% is very impressive, but probably not better than ’85 Bernard King. I’d probably remove the 6’6″ DeBusschere at the forward spots and go with Bernard King and Carmelo Anthony next to Pat Ewing, Walt Frazier, and Earl Monroe.

    85. The 6’6″ DeBusschere was a lockdown defender who stifled Wilt after Willis went down in Game 5 of the 1970 Finals.

      Carmelo Anthony is a better scorer than DeBusschere. He has not been a better Knick.

    86. Bill Bradley and Jerry Lucas need to be on this team, just because of their nonsensical secret language they had together on the court. I thought that part of the “Eden” 30-for-30 was hilarious.

    87. He’s been a damn good Knick, though. Regardless of how you feel about Carmelo Anthony or how he became a New York Knick, you have to consider the situation he’s been put in. As a Knick, the best players on his team have been hurt when he needed them most. If Amar’e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler were healthy, we would have beat the Pacers (and even then Melo gave the Pacers hell with a torn labrum courtesy of KG). If Jason Kidd wasn’t a decrepit by March, if Mike Woodson wasn’t a complete bonehead, etc. things could have been totally different in the way you perceive Carmelo Anthony. In my opinion, he’s been a great New York Knick and the slack he gets is undeserved. It’s apparent in the tone you set with the “don’t even ask me about Carmelo Anthony” comment as opposed to a “don’t even ask me about Charles Oakley” or “don’t even ask me about Tyson Chandler.” So far, he hasn’t been a better Knick than a man who got to play with a few HOFers and a HOF coach during his tenure as a Knick (which isn’t to knock DeBusschere’s own talents, but to say that Carmelo Anthony’s situation has looked nothing like DeBusschere’s). That’s definitely fair, but let’s give the man some credit instead of taking unnecessary jabs at him.

    88. Zinger is going to get his ass kicked in camp physically by Oquinn, Rolo, Melo and Amundson. I hope it toughens him up.

    89. Just stopped by to say its pretty lame to hate on Melo for how he signs his texts. People use emojis and smiley faces and stuff like that all the time in texts. He’s always been number 7. Why the stupid hate over a text? LAME.

    90. Completely off-topic: has there ever been a lady posting here at KB? I don’t know why but this has been a statistical curiosity of mine for a long time.

      Back when I started posting, maybe 5/6 years ago, there was someone who had a crush on Wilson Chandler. She made some good posts, though.

      Of course, she might just have been a dog.

      What if he changed it to an emoji but then signed his texts by spelling out “an emoji”

      The Artist Formerly Known as Me7o.

      Just stopped by to say its pretty lame to hate on Melo for how he signs his texts. People use emojis and smiley faces and stuff like that all the time in texts. He’s always been number 7. Why the stupid hate over a text? LAME.

      To be fair, I hate on people who use smiley faces and emjois in their emails when they aren’t Me7o. (Try typing “Me7o” a few times and then tell me you think we shouldn’t hate on it…)

    91. I could live with Willis over DeBusschere.

      Carmelo Anthony has had exactly one great season since he came to NY. He has not played defense, most of the time. He simply does not rotate on D.

      Carmelo has had some great games (taking back the MSG scoring record from Kobe). He has not been a great Knick.

    92. You could swap in Richie Guerin for Earl Monroe. Frazier is a lock. C:Willis/Ewing PF: DeBusschere/Oakley are the contested spots. Bernard has the 83-84 (?) post-season as his tiebreaker.

    93. Just stopped by to say its pretty lame to hate on Melo for how he signs his texts. People use emojis and smiley faces and stuff like that all the time in texts. He’s always been number 7. Why the stupid hate over a text? LAME.

      Yeah, please, LeBron calls himself King James and Amare gave himself the name STAT (Standing tall and talented) so this is pretty weak stuff to be bitching about

    94. I love Bernard King, but he cannot be on that list. The guy played less than 3 seasons worth of minutes for the Knicks, fewer than Nate Robinson, Chris Childs, Kenny Walker and Amar’e! And those teams never even made it to the conference finals. And although was an awesome scorer, he was a lot closer to Adrian Dantley than Lebron or Durant. I happened to sit behind BK on a plane a couple years ago. He couldn’t have been more awesome — must have told like 20 great stories without much prompting.

    95. I’m assuming the discussion regarding the All-Time Teams stems from the whole Shaq – Pippen thing? It was cool to see the 2K15 simulation. Anyway, I was thinking that when trying to come up with an “All Time Team,” a distinction should be made between picking the “Greatest” players per position, or trying to come up with a team that could win and be a cohesive, well-balanced basketball team.

      So if we’re trying to WIN, and beat the All Time Lakers or the AT Bulls… Do you take Melo over Bernard or Dave D? I guess the older fans would know better, I only started following the Knicks with the Ewing-Starks teams :)

    96. ” love Bernard King, but he cannot be on that list. The guy played less than 3 seasons worth of minutes for the Knicks, fewer than Nate Robinson, Chris Childs, Kenny Walker and Amar’e”

      Haha i was thinking this too, but he was pretty awesome in those years.

    97. Bernard King single-handedly beat the 1984 Pistons in the first round of the playoff. He almost dragged that Knicks team over the 1984 Celtics (Bird/Parish/McHale/Ainge/DJ) – who won the championship. Even Larry Bird acknowledged Bernard was the best player on the floor.

    98. About Melo…
      1) I have no problem with him texting as Me7o. My sons (mid-20’s) all do stuff like that and all their friends do too. All u h8ers r showing ur age!
      2) The only reason I don’t place him in the starting 5 for the team is the King is my SF. My starting 5:
      Frazier, Monroe, King, Oakley, Ewing.

      By the way, for those of you old enough to remember, A few months before Ewing was drafted, we lost Bernard King to that devastating (in those days) knee injury. I have a deep belief that the combination of King, Ewing and Jackson (plus some good peripheral parts) would have brought a championship to NY. I kind of see a similar situation developing. That assumes that Porzingis=Ewing and Grant=Jackson and Melo=King. It’s my pipe-dream. Go ahead and shatter my dream now.

    99. Go ahead and shatter my dream now.

      When you’re a Knick fan your dreams come pre-shattered.

    100. Melo is not a great Knick. He was the turd in the punch bowl during Linsanity and the Trojan horse that gave CAA entry to MSG. He played half a season on a gimpy knee so Brand Me7o could be represented at the ASG, against the wishes of management, probably padding the win total in the process.

      You also can’t hand wave how he became a Knick on one breath and then bemoan the lack of talent around him in the next. The two could not be more connected. The Knicks *still* have to send out a 1st round pick for him. The team seems to have done everything they wanted in FA but if they had fallen a couple million short how would the mega max contract look?

      Whether or not he is a great basketball player isn’t the point. The story is still being written but I seem him as a net negative in his time here.

    101. As one of the older posters here(in terms of age and years being smitten with the Knicks since the days of Big Bells and Howard Komives), I can say emphatically that any all-time great Knicks team that doesn’t start with Willis Reed is a joke. If you didn’t live through those times as a Knicks fan, you couldn’t possibly fathom what he meant to the team and the city. And I’m not just talking about the Game 7 heroics.

      Willis Reed was the captain of one of the all-time great NBA teams, a team considered by many to be the smartest team ever. He was idolized by everyone on his team. He had a leadership aura about him that transcended his stats. I guess the best way to put it is that he was the Bill Russell of his team, and of the franchise.

      Clyde’s great Game 7 performance wasn’t diminished just because some great player suited up. Had it been DeBusschere or Bradley, Clyde still would have been the star. The fact that it was Willis Reed, the Captain, is what made the moment what it was.

      At the time, the Knicks hadn’t won any titles at all. The Lakers were the prohibitive favorites (although I think they were overrated by the hype-Baylor was done, Chamberlain had come back from a serious knee injury, and they had very little depth. Willis Reed was not going to let the moment slip away. Ask Clyde himself about the impact of Willis coming out of the tunnel and hitting those first two shots.

      It is notable that Patrick Ewing had a partially torn achilles in the 1999 ECF finals and shut it down. He could have played in the finals and risked blowing it out completely, but chose not to. He never sniffed playoff success again. You think Willis Reed would have shut it down? I love Patrick and he is definitely in the starting 5, but between the ears and in the heart, he was not Willis Reed. No one was.

    102. ” The two could not be more connected. The Knicks *still* have to send out a 1st round pick for him. The team seems to have done everything they wanted in FA but if they had fallen a couple million short how would the mega max contract look?”

      No, the 2016 pick was a swap with Denver. They Gave it away for Bargnani. Also he didnt Amnesty Billups instead of Amare and He didnt trade for Bargnani. The moves after he came here have been awful to say the least. That trade was in Feb 2011 and the Knicks have done nothing but make missteps since. They got lucky in 2013 when they brought in the Vets but otherwise they made mistakes.

    103. I don’t even think Melo does his own texting. He outsources it to some fancy company that hires the cheapest people they can find that understands American culture.

      AKA the text msg came from these:

      And honestly even if it came from Melo himself, is it a big deal? I mean he plays defense like a 12 year old girl, why wouldn’t we expect him to text like one?

      I kid! I kid!

    104. I prefer Bernard King to Melo, but see both sides. I prefer Monroe to Houston, although Monroe was diminished in terms of role and injury during his time here. DeBusschere was probably better than any of them, so if position doesn’t matter, he should be in the top 5. Mine would be C: Ewing, PF: Reed, SF: DeBusschere, SG: King and PG: Frazier. I’d take my chances going big with that 5.

    105. For an all time starting 5 you need some parameters-are we talking Knicks career? Single season? Ewing was a better Knick than Reed, but you could certainly make an argument that Willis could be on an all time team based on a smaller sample (or because he beat up the Lakers bench by himself). To me, Clyde is the only stone cold lock. Any way you slice it he’s the best PG who ever played for the Knicks, and it’s not close.

      Willis Reed was not going to let the moment slip away. Ask Clyde himself about the impact of Willis coming out of the tunnel and hitting those first two shots.

      That should still be referred to as the Clyde Frazier game. Maybe Willis gave Clyde the mojo, but putting up numbers like Frazier did in a game 7 of an NBA finals and having the game be known for someone else’s performance is an injustice. 36 points (12-17 from the field, 12-12 from the line), 19 assists, 7 rebounds. Has there been a better game 7 finals performance than that? I can’t think of one.

    106. @121, if Melo had signed here as a free agent or at least not bluffed on extending with Brooklyn, you think some of those trade pieces that went to Denver would be in NOLA for Chris Paul?

      The Bargs trade was a CAA move.

      The Amare/Billups amnesty was iffy at the time and a disaster in hindsight. I can’t disagree there.

    107. DRed, you can argue that it’s an injustice to Clyde, but it puts into perspective the way that Knicks fans and NBA fans valued Reed as a player and leader over Clyde at that time. And trust me, Clyde wasn’t some unknown kid who had the game of his life; it was well-understood that he was a young superstar and he also had the Clyde aura based on the whole Clyde persona.

      Again, if you didn’t live through it, you couldn’t appreciate it. Reed was larger than life, even before Game 7.

    108. Again, if you didn’t live through it, you couldn’t appreciate it. Reed was larger than life, even before Game 7.

      Larger than life-exactly. His legend overshadows what Clyde actually did on the court. I mean, look at that-that’s one of the best games in NBA finals history, and as far as I know the best individual performance in game 7 in NBA history, and people call it the Willis Reed game. That incredible moment would be in the dustbin of history if Clyde didn’t go out there and eviscerate the Lakers.

    109. @120 – Z-Man, we’re about the same age (me 57) and I struggled between Ewing and Reed but reluctantly selected Ewing. It’s pretty damned close. I said: “Frazier, Monroe, King, Oakley, Ewing” but if we could cheat a bit and not be a stickler for position, I would replace Oakley with Reed. That would be some team. Bring on the Celtics and Lakers. Let’s go at it!

    110. Ewing at C and Reed at PF. Works for me….

      I do think it’s pretty funny that Shaq probably shouldn’t even be on that all time Laker team he and Pippen are arguing about.

    111. His legend overshadows what Clyde actually did on the court. I mean, look at that-that’s one of the best games in NBA finals history, and as far as I know the best individual performance in game 7 in NBA history, and people call it the Willis Reed game.

      Another ridiculous finals Game 7 that doesn’t get enough love: Worthy against the Pistons in 88. Triple double with 36 pts, 16 reb, 10 asst, on just 22 FGA.

    112. @130 Then it’s settled! How about those other teams???
      Lakers: Kareem, Shaq, West, Kobe, Magic
      Celtics: Russell, McHale, Bird, Havlicek, Cousy

    113. Lakers: Kareem, Shaq, West, Kobe, Magic

      Did you mean to write?…
      Lakers: Chamberlain, Chamberlain, Chamberlain, Chamberlain, Chamberlain

    114. Did you mean to write?…
      Lakers: Chamberlain, Chamberlain, Chamberlain, Chamberlain, Chamberlain

      Dat spacing tho

    115. If we did by position Lakers would be: C-Kareem, PF-Baylor, SF-Worthy, PG-Magic 2G-West

    116. I could be wrong but I don’t anything ANY all time team could compete with Kareem, Shaq, Magic, Kobe & West! As for the Knicks, I don’t see how you don’t put Melo on the team. I love Bernard, but I’d still give Melo the nod. Ewing, Reed, Melo, Frazier & Munro or Bradley. I think they get murdered by the Lakers All Time squad but might make a decent game of it against the Celtics All Time club…maybe.

    117. @135 – ER, the 76’ers put up a good team: Wilt, Barkley, Dr J.,Cunningham, Iverson. Bobby Jones might fit in there along with Mo Cheeks.
      (BTW, that’s why Wilt isn’t on my Laker team. I think of him as a Sixer. I guess I think of Kareem as Buck).

    118. I could be wrong but I don’t anything ANY all time team could compete with Kareem, Shaq, Magic, Kobe & West! As for the Knicks

      If all the “best of” teams played a season, the Knicks would probably lose in the first round of the playoffs. Trying to decide between Melo and King for an all-time best squad is like debating whether Lance Thomas or Louis Amundson should be the 15th man this year.

      And if you limit the team to the modern era, to allow all the current teams to compete, it gets even worse for the Knicks. I’d say they battle the Nets for 4th place in the Atlantic and fail to make the playoffs all together.

      The Knicks modern era team would be:

      Ewing, Oakley, King, Houston, Mark Jackson

      Playoff teams would be:

      Boston: Bird, McHale, Garnett, Allen/Pierce, Rondo

      Phili: Dr J, Barkely, Malone, Iverson, Igoudala

      Chicago: Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Rose, Cartwright

      Detroit: Thomas, Billups, G Hill, Wallace, Dantley/Aguirre

      Miami: James, Wade, Mourning, Hardaway, Bosh

      Orlando: Shaq, Howard, Hardaway, McGrady, HoGrant

      Cleveland: James, Price, Daugherty, Nance, Irving

      Milwaukee: Moncrief, Marquis Johnson, Lanier, Allen, Robinson

      And that’s just the east teams.

    119. I don’t think he meets the team needs. He’s not a real center (only 6’9″) and we have a plethora of power forwards. He might be better than Thomas and Amundson, but how much better? I would rather go after N’dour.

    120. RE: Greatest Knicks
      Bernard King played less defense than Melo, but when he was healthy- he TERRORIZED defenses. You can hide his defensive deficiency with a backcourt of Pearl and Clyde. Melo can play both the 3 and 4, so it kinda makes for a tough call but you can’t put him on the team over Reed. There’s quite a few I considered like Mase, Dave D, Kiki, Bradley, even Spree, LJ, and Oak. But you hafta go with:
      C- Ewing
      PF- Reed
      SF- King
      SG- Frazier
      PG- Monroe
      Stifling defense with more than enough scoring. I’d put that lineup against any team’s greatest ever. The only franchise that worries me, even more than the C’s, are the Lakers greats. Players like Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, West, Magic, and Kareem each are greater than any Knick in team history. They’ve got quite the talent pool to choose from. I’d definitely put the Knicks greatest against the Bulls greatest.

    121. Donnie:

      Milwaukee: Moncrief, Marquis Johnson, Lanier, Allen, Robinson

      I forgot Milwaukee! They’ve got a tough lineup too. In your lineup, Kar-err..Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson aren’t even there.

    122. @140 Personally, I’d to
      Wilt, Malone, Barkley, Dr J, Iverson for the Sixers starting 5.

      I think that’s the best squad to take on the Lakers All-Time starting 5.

      Changing out the Chicago center to Gilmore probably would make more sense too.

    123. Jeezus!! How many more smart moves can the Spurs make?? If Jimmer gets any playing time there, he’s gonna be great coming off the bench in that system. I doubt he’ll make it to the floor though. Too many guards ahead of him.

    124. Donnie:

      Milwaukee: Moncrief, Marquis Johnson, Lanier, Allen, Robinson

      I forgot Milwaukee! They’ve got a tough lineup too. In your lineup, Kar-err..Lew Alcindor and Oscar Robertson aren’t even there.

      Yeah, I was doing teams of the modern era (1979-present) to even the playing field for the more recent teams. Obviously Alcindor and Big O make the all Bucks team :)

      (Also, I figure the teams get the player as he played for that team during his tenure with that team only)

    125. The interesting thing about King is that he put up sick TS% in an era where nobody shot the three. The modern day King would be hoisting up at least five threes a game and his TS% would likely be outstanding. He dropped a 61.9% TS in 1983-84 while shooting 0.1 threes a game! Dude rocked super high efficiency taking tons of long twos! Imagine if he had the three ball in his arsenal! You know he could shoot it. I mean, don’t get me wrong, King had an excellent post game, as well, but he was taking a lot of long twos and he was making them with an unbelievably high percentage. A 57% field goal percentage in 1983-84? Are you kidding me with those numbers?

    126. Looks like our favourite Argentine is heading to the Clippers. Good fit for both parties involved.

    127. Imagine if he had the three ball in his arsenal! You know he could shoot it.

      I’m not sure on Bernard missing out on much from the 3 ball. I mean, at least not enough to improve on his already great TS%. I was young in his true prime, but I remember him as a great shooter with a bit of a distance cliff, not unlike Dantley, Aguirre or English. And BTW if you love King you really have to super triple love Dantley. King’s 61.9% at 26 ppg is ferocious until you put it next to 30.6 at at 65.2% that same year by AD.

    128. We’re not really bemoaning not signing Jimmer Fredette are we? I don’t think I could take it if that’s what we’re actually doing now.

      Of course, when the Spurs come to town next season I’m sure he’ll single handedly destroy us; prompting no small number of “Coulda been a Knick” posts and tweets.

    129. Not sure why Prigs opted for the Clips. I mean, will he play at all?

      Considering CP3 and Rivers are the only PG’s currently on the roster, I think there would be minutes for Pablo to pinch hit. It will probably depend on how Doc intends to use Austin and how deep his nepotism runs ha ha

    130. I’m not sure on Bernard missing out on much from the 3 ball. I mean, at least not enough to improve on his already great TS%. I was young in his true prime, but I remember him as a great shooter with a bit of a distance cliff, not unlike Dantley, Aguirre or English. And BTW if you love King you really have to super triple love Dantley. King’s 61.9% at 26 ppg is ferocious until you put it next to 30.6 at at 65.2% that same year by AD.

      The problem with Dantley was he was 10x the ball-stopper that Melo’s ever been. He would get the ball in the post and literally spend 10-12 seconds backing his guy down before launching a turnaround. Bernard was amazing at creating space as the pass was being delivered (using a butt that I’m sure Phil Jackson loved) and would catch turn and shoot all in the same motion. If he didn’t have space he’d kick it back out pretty quickly and repost so it’s not like the rest of team could just nap on offense as often happened with Dantley. Still, Dantley’s numbers are undeniable- Barkley and young Amar’e are really the only other guys who’ve put up similar high usage, high TS seasons.

    131. I would say Prigs beats Rivers out if it weren’t for Stephenson/Crawford/Redick. Prigs is a better PG than Rivers but Rivers has more overall talent. And with Stephenson and Crawford on the bench who can also initiate offense, it won’t hurt the Clips to give Rivers more PT than Prigs. I think the fans in LA would love him if he gets consistent burn.

    132. Looks like our favourite Argentine is heading to the Clippers. Good fit for both parties involved.

      He’s the perfect caddy for a good team. The kind of “break in case of emergency” guy.

    133. jimmer’s not an incredible player but he absolutely could be a rotation guy in the league… he’s already done a lot better than jj redick had done at the same age…

    134. BARON DAVIS is attempting a comeback. Any chance?

      Only if he bring Mike Bibby’s corpse to back him up.

    135. BARON DAVIS is attempting a comeback. Any chance?

      The dude is 36 and coming off a 3 year layoff from the game. I would say he is well and truly a long shot at making a roster. Maybe a contender who is desperate for a veteran PG as insurance might pick him up, but I doubt it.

    136. jimmer’s not an incredible player but he absolutely could be a rotation guy in the league… he’s already done a lot better than jj redick had done at the same age…

      I think it’s fair to compliment the move for the Spurs without actually wanting him here. I think he fits really well there, but I don’t think he’d have a chance here, so it’d be kind of a pointless signing.

    137. best starting 5? I will pic Orlando!

      C SHAQ
      PF HOWARDS
      SF 3D/Rashard
      SG TMAC
      PG PENNY

      Will pick this backcourt against any all time great backcourt. Peak Penny and TMAC are absurd

    138. I just watched AI’s speech at the player awards. Nice speech. Perfectly exemplified his career. Pound for pound, that dude is the best payer I’ve ever seen.

    139. Not Knicks or basketball related at all..

      Why is it that every time one comes out, I can’t resist watching a Sharknado film??? I mean..these are some of the corniest films ever!! Hell..Mark Cuban is the damn president this time around..

    140. Dave DeBusschere was like the inverse of Melo: not a good scorer at all but had immense value on the defensive end, was a freakish rebounder at 6’6″ and was a consummate team player.

    141. What’s with Doc Rivers and old vets? It’s like if one is available he will get the guy.

      As for the whole how much Gallo’s worth, I think the new CBA will not only have the side effect of salaries being higher, but also make it easier to dump bad contracts. When every team has $20-30mil more space, and they must use 90% of that, it will cost less to dump any onerous contract. And Gallo has the upside to outperform his contract so overall makes sense.

      On other note is that one thing I feel people are forgetting about Parsons contract, when trying to compare with other players, is that his deal is 2 years plus player option. If he had signed a straight 4yr max deal like Heyward, I think he’d be a good deal. But if he performs even adequately this offseason, he’ll be looking at likely a 4yr/$80~90mil contract next offseason. I remember Morey never complained about how much Parsons made, but that the contract made him unmovable. Since the contract is so player friendly that no matter what happens, the team loses. By this time next year I predict Parsons will have one of the richest contracts in the NBA.

    142. Are you kidding me with those numbers?

      Meanest and toughest Knick. Respect to Oak and Mase but Bernard had that serious game face and he backed it up. Doing it against Bird and the Celtics in the seven game ’84 series with broken fingers on both hands! A machine in the post. Lightning quick release. Range. And a destroyer on the fast break. Played for peak Hubie Brown and those teams played defense. The night he blew out the knee was a touchstone in my life. Maybe not the best Knick ever but personified our city’s game.

      Thanks for the memories of him and of the older guys as well. I saw Frazier and Reed but was just a bit too young to really understand what they did. If anyone has anything on Earl Monroe I’d be interested.

    143. I just read that 7ft 1in center Kuzmic had his offer rescinded by gs. He sure looked good in the sl. How about getting him? 25 yrs old, active, can shoot and pass. He even looks like he boxes out.

    144. I just read that 7ft 1in center Kuzmic had his offer rescinded by gs. He sure looked good in the sl. How about getting him? 25 yrs old, active, can shoot and pass. He even looks like he boxes out.

      I would like to know why it was rescinded first. He did look good in summer league, so could be worth a punt for some roster filler.

    145. DeBuscherre was actually a very good perimeter shooter. The long 2 was a big part of the NBA game back then and that was his specialty shot. In his entire tenure with the Knicks, I only recall him dunking once (at the end of an improbable comeback game vs. the Cincinnati Royals to extend their then record winning streak to 18 games…Bob Cousy made an ill-fated appearance as a player-coach!) I was psyched when the Knicks traded for him, as he was a highly respected star for the Pistons ad considered the missing piece at the time.

      I remember that Earl Monroe was a fearsome opponent while on the Bullets, sort of in the Dwyane Wade mold of a scorer (could score in a billion different ways, virtually undefendable) without the athleticism or defense. In a tribute, Clyde said that he hated when the Bullets and Monroe came to town because he would get torched in front of his friends and family. Toned his game down and deferred to Clyde, totally bought into the team concept despite serious media concerns that it wouldn’t work. Had some vintage games with the Knicks, especially in an epic comeback vs. Bucks.

      Those teams were unbelievable to root for. I went off to a rural college in 1974 and there was no access to NBA games (no cable, 3 fuzzy channels) so thankfully I missed the decline of that period.

      There’s good youtube stuff out there.

    146. Kuzmic’s offer from GS would have cost them around $7 million because of luxury taxes as I believe they are over the cap even though his salary would have been much lower. Hence they rescinded the offer. Doesn’t he look good?

    147. Kuzmic’s offer from GS would have cost them around $7 million because of luxury taxes as I believe they are over the cap even though his salary would have been much lower. Hence they rescinded the offer. Doesn’t he look good?

      Doesn’t he look good? He doesn’t really look like anything. Sure he put up at jaw-dropping TS of .720% last year, but that was in limited garbage time minutes on a team that had a surplus of garbage time minutes to offer. He’s turned the ball over one third of the times he’s touched it in his career, and averages 6 and a half fouls per 36. He did manage one block last year, so there was one time at least that he was physically able to defend an opponent without fouling him.

      Ognjen Kuzmic is probably best off not staying in Golden state as the 5th string center. Golden State had the 4th highest Margin of Victory of the modern era, behind only a few of Jordan’s Bulls teams, so the fact that he couldn’t even crack the garbage time rotation probably says something, but the 72 minutes he did play were a very mixed bag.

      (A good 7 game series would be the Knicks top 5 last year against the Golden State bottom 5!)

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