Allan Houston lining up for promotion in Knicks front office shakeup: source

From Stefan Bondy:

As Leon Rose prepares for his imminent takeover, Garden constant Allan Houston has emerged as a candidate for a front office promotion, a league source told the Daily News.

The former All-Star, 48, is currently the GM of the G-League affiliate in Westchester and has been a Knicks executive since 2008, surviving multiple regime changes while being groomed for a larger role. He also served as the Knicks assistant GM before and during Phil Jackson’s tenure.

While Houston’s future with the organization seems safe, the rest of the front office is mostly in flux. According to a source, the Knicks hoped to hire Grizzlies executive Rich Cho but that’s now off the table. Word is Cho is happy in Memphis, where he serves as the vice president of basketball strategy for a franchise on the rise that features Ja Morant.

The 54-year-old Cho has been an NBA executive for two decades and served as GM of both the Bobcats and Trailblazers.

Good to know that the good candidates are already turning the Knicks down!

But hey, Allan Houston has been a big part of the Knicks success over the past 12 years, so it makes sense to promote from within with him. Hey, remember when he hit that big shot in 1999?

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177 thoughts to “Allan Houston lining up for promotion in Knicks front office shakeup: source”

  1. Wow, getting dissed by Rich Cho.

    Not sure what I think about Allan Houston as a GM but he sure knew how to not fill up a box score.

  2. Rich Cho did a terrible job at Charlotte, so I don’t know what to make of that. Maybe we’re looking for guys who have experience running a team owned by a meddling idiot.

  3. Just promoting Houston would be the most “meh” move possible. He’s been involved for so long already throughout all the terrible years, but I guess we don’t know how much he was a part of the terrible decisions… I guess we also can’t say if he ever did anything good, so it’s so unexciting it kinda hurts.

  4. Rich Cho did a terrible job at Charlotte, so I don’t know what to make of that. Maybe we’re looking for guys who have experience running a team owned by a meddling idiot.

    I think Cho had some good ideas there. I believe ownership was the bigger problem there. Cho was a big part of Presti’s initial success in OKC and he’s been a big part of Memphis’ current hot streak. I’m not saying that he would be some no-doubt-about-it candidate (because yeah, Charlotte definitely did fall apart by the end of Cho’s tenure), but I think he’s rightfully a hot candidate at the moment. And it’s dispiriting that he won’t take a promotion to move from Memphis to the Knicks.

  5. The Knicks FO saga is like one of those movies that starts off dark and never gets any rosier, like The House of Sand and Fog.

  6. What’s becoming clear is that Dolan really does seem to be clearing out of the way for Rose, so that’s something, but it’s disappointing that Rose apparently was hired without a clear guy in mind for his GM. You’d think that that would be part of his pitch for the job, instead of, “Don’t worry, I’ll figure something out later.”

  7. Z-man:
    The Knicks FO saga is like one of those movies that starts off dark and never gets any rosier, like The House of Sand and Fog.

    More like Requiem for a Dream!

  8. Keeping Houston around can’t be a good thing. I have no special insights into his shortcomings, but it’s a continuation of the same incompetent management that has been in place all along, Houston is the new Mills.

    Nothing about Rose, Houston, or Wesley inspires any confidence at all. Thibs is a good coach, but he proved in Minnesota that he’s a clueless executive. So we won’t even be getting good managerial and GM input from coaching,

    MSG needs to be fumigated of all prior upper level management and all influence from CAA. We are doing the opposite. It’s time for me to move on. I can handle almost any kind of rebuild and string of losing seasons, but I can’t handle idiots anymore and the Knicks are still full of idiots top to bottom.

  9. it’s a continuation of the same incompetent management that has been in place all along, Houston is the new Mills.

    Yeah, I was going to say pretty much exactly the same thing.

    You have the starfucker “open for the Eagles” guy in the POBO role and the loyal lickspittle in the GM role. Should go well.

  10. I have no basis for this other than experience in my own family, but it would not surprise me if Dolan has some kind of mild developmental disorder that allows him to function in a job, band, etc.., but that also makes him incapable of making well thought out decisions and leads to things like him barring fans, throwing out Oakley etc..

  11. I have no basis for this other than experience in my own family, but it would not surprise me if Dolan has some kind of mild developmental disorder that allows him to function in a job, band, etc.., but that also makes him incapable of making well thought out decisions and leads to things like him barring fans, throwing out Oakley etc..

    hmmmmm, should egomania really qualify as a kind of mental disorder, or, is it just some annoying personality trait…

    plus, he could simply be stupid…

  12. Wow, Seton Hall just executed a better inbounds play than I have seen from the Knicks in years. Since David Lee actually!

    Also, Isola was saying on PTI that Dolan is extending an olive branch to Oak and trying to make amends….

    File under, believe it when you see it…

  13. small sample size but I’m out on Edwards based on the 8 or 9 minutes of college basketball I watched tonight. can’t say that his team looked particularly well coached but he was pretty invisible except for a nice long 3 and some dumb turnovers. also college basketball is awful

  14. Yeah, that Edwards line is ridiculous. 7 turnovers!

    How a guy with a 52% ts% is the number one pick baffles me.

    I know no one needs bigs anymore but I am definitely on record that passing on some of the tall people available in the draft like Onyewu, Carey, and maybe Wiseman is going to end up being a huge mistake.

  15. DRed:
    small sample size but I’m out on Edwards based on the 8 or 9 minutes of college basketball I watched tonight.can’t say that his team looked particularly well coached but he was pretty invisible except for a nice long 3 and some dumb turnovers.also college basketball is awful

    You wanna see bad college basketball, wait till the NBA gets rid of one and done.

  16. This democratic debate is more cringe-inducing than the last thread…

    dang, wanted to catch that…who’s the “leading” candidate to date?

  17. This draft class looks like if every questionable guard from the past lotteries were available, like Coby White, Garland, Sexton, Culver, Monk… but they were the only prospects everyone is talking about outside of Wiseman. I don’t like it one bit,

  18. Wait, Strat… You think Dolan can function in a band?

    lmao

    I used to play guitar in a garage band about 45 years ago. All the talk about music on these treads has rekindled my interest playing. Compared to my abilities, Dolan is peak Hendrix innovating on guitar with Little Wing. That’s my latest project. I’m trying to play the intro to Little Wing. I’m a little over two weeks into it and I’m playing it about as well as Frank plays PG while he has a groin injury.

  19. This democratic debate is more cringe-inducing than the last thread…

    I’m glad I’m watching Married at First Sight instead.

    It’s looking more and more like I’m going to throw another vote away on a 3rd party loon.

  20. This draft class looks like if every questionable guard from the past lotteries were available, like Coby White, Garland, Sexton, Culver, Monk… but they were the only prospects everyone is talking about

    Well said.

    I was into Edwards when I saw him play Michigan State but that game looks like an anomaly. He’s not good an he’s going to be 18 years old on draft night. He’s got strong Frank & Knox vibes.

  21. I’m a little over two weeks into it and I’m playing it about as well as Frank plays PG while he has a groin injury.

    :)

    hopefully you got a basement or outside shed where you can play…

  22. “Bloomberg just called Bernie a commie…”

    Has it really been four years already since Cruz, Trump, and Rubio compared penis size?

  23. He responded to an attack with something like “countries have tried that before, it’s called communism…”

  24. Trump 2024 and Trump 2028 is gonna be lit…

    Don’t know what the hell the Dems are doing. Has the feel of a Dolan/Mills production….

  25. I’m trying to imagine why anybody would have a favorable opinion of Michael Bloomberg and I’m drawing a blank.

  26. He’s willing to spend a couple billion dollars to defeat Trump, even if he isn’t the nominee. So that’s something.

    And he isn’t Donald Trump.

    As for Warren, I wish we could have someone play point guard like she can debate.

  27. “Hard to love any of these candidates, just not a strong field.”

    Luckily, you have a lot of practice rooting for laundry.

  28. I’m pretty excited about where the Knicks are right now. Assuming Rose comes in, hires a coach like Mark Jackson, and we have our usual bad luck in a bad draft, and then we make offers to Drummond and DeRozan…well, I can finally quit this team for good. I mean, that’s total scorched earth right there. Nothing shall survive, not my excitement about Skynet, not my curiosity about Frank, not my hope for a front office that did leave a lot of cap room and flexibility, nothing. That’s a real needle mover right there – moving me right off any need to follow the team ever again.

    I’ll miss Knickerblogger, but honestly, it would be a relief to be put out of my Knicksfan misery.

  29. You can always stay at Knickerblogger! I care about this blog way more than I care about Jimmy Dolan’s crap sports franchise.

    I know they’ll never be good but that’s the fun of it!

  30. This draft class looks like if every questionable guard from the past lotteries were available, like Coby White, Garland, Sexton, Culver, Monk… but they were the only prospects everyone is talking about

    This, really, more than anything, is what depresses the heck out of me regarding the Knicks. I can’t even really give myself hope like I did when Zion and Ja were possibilities (and when Barrett was a reasonable consolation prize). I can’t be excited about the prospect of having any of these guys on the Knicks for the next few years before they are traded along with Andre Drummond to clear his $46 million cap number so that they can sign 35 year old Kevin Durant.

  31. Brian, I get the cynicism, but you never know. Sometimes when the draft is “stacked” you wind up being almost forced to take the Fultz’s and Okafor’s of the world in the top 3. I remember how down people (including myself0 were on Jayson Tatum. There is someone in the top-10 of this draft who is going to be a very good player, maybe 2 or 3 guys. There’s also a chance that Rose is good at spotting good players later in the draft…we have a late first and an early second. If we can hit on just one of those guys, who knows?

    And I doubt that we wind up with Drummond, or that he gets a long-term max deal. I don’t think the only reason he brought back basically nothing in that trade was because he was a rental. Teams have figured out that most of what he gives you is available at a much lower price.

  32. Luckily, you have a lot of practice rooting for laundry

    +1000

    I congratulate Allan Houston on his promotion and the strength of his faith but I am a little curious why God couldn’t do more for his rebound rate…

  33. I’m reasonably sure that the eventual Democratic nominee will not be offering an under-the-table pardon to an exiled cybercriminal for his false statement that the nation confirmed to have hacked his political rival did not actually do the thing that literally every intelligence agency has confirmed they did, so the choice is pretty simple to me. And the debates are nothing but a reality show in the spirit of “democratic norms.”

  34. There’s certainly no Zion in this draft, but some of the bigs look like they’ll be damn good, especially Carey Jr and Okongwu. I know they need playmakers, but I’d rather they just take Carey than pay Drummond ridiculous money.
    I guess I’d be fine with LaMelo, Wiseman, Haliburton, or maybe the French kid or the Israeli kid.
    But yeah, once I move and get league pass, I might just try to get back into the Hawks instead of this never-ending clown show.

  35. >>>If we win the lottery this year we should trade down<<<

    I think it's going to be very hard to find someone who wants to trade up.

    Hell if I could trade *out* of this draft I probably would. I'm sure that's what the Warriors are thinking. At least they didn't pull a San Antonio end up with the #1 pick in a Duncan/Zion kinda year.

  36. It would be silly to trade out of the draft only because you have no control where future 1sts will land. In July, no one would have traded anything of value for the Warriors unprotected first this year. And here we are, Warriors looking like a lock for top 6.

    There will be quality players in this year’s draft. Target then and trade down. You’ll always find a sucker (Vlade) who believes he can polish a turd just because he went to Duke or UNC or Kentucky or something.

  37. “I congratulate Allan Houston on his promotion and the strength of his faith but I am a little curious why God couldn’t do more for his rebound rate…”

    God says “it’s called basketball, not reboundball.”

  38. “This draft class looks like if every questionable guard from the past lotteries were available, like Coby White, Garland, Sexton, Culver, Monk… but they were the only prospects everyone is talking about”

    Spot on comment

    As an aside, It’s strange the quote button appears above on mobile like it used to but below the post on desktop.

    None of these guards stand out in the way you expect lottery picks to stand out. Meanwhile, the freshman bigs look quite real..

  39. “What happens with New Orleans Pelicans All-Star Brandon Ingram in restricted free agency is more divisive. Most executives believe Ingram isn’t worth a max contract, which makes his future difficult to predict. “I wonder if [Pelicans executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin] will hardball [Ingram] and say, ‘Get an offer,’” one executive asked. “Where is he getting it from?” – via Tim Bontemps @ ESPN”

    Id give Ingram a max offer to Ingram if i were the Knicks.

  40. I will say, re: the draft, that Tyrese Halliburton strikes me as a very positive outcome. I have not seen him play a game but 50% from the floor, 42% from 3, 82% from the FT line, and 2.5 steals per 36 is a nice statistical profile. His turnovers are high, but I can take that in this class.

  41. I mean we aren’t just going to have an organization where there isn’t some high-level executive whose role and expertise and purpose are totally opaque except that it has something to do with Jimmy liking them. So since Mills was finally forced to abdicate the position we obviously are going to be looking to fill that post. Houston is a logical fit.

  42. Thibs is a good coach, but he proved in Minnesota that he’s a clueless executive.

    I’m going to keep driving the anti-Thibs bandwagon and say that, at least during his stint in Minnesota, he was also a really bad coach. I think it’s a bit of a myth that he was let down by his poor work as an executive when the only bit of success during his time there was because they pulled off a really nice Jimmy Butler trade.

    Thibs number one calling card as a coach was the overloaded strong-side defense that he perfected in Boston and Chicago, but I think that’s a bit outdated at this point- teams have gotten so much more aggressive about taking off the dribble 3s and going 4- and 5-out that I think it’s become a little antiquated. He built his reputation on walling off the paint, but teams are much, much more willing than they were ten years ago to just take 3s if you’re leaving them to wall off the paint. His Minnesota teams consistently sucked on D and their opponent shot profiles were consistently bad. I’m dubious he’s still some defensive solver.

    His other calling card is playing his guys a ton which is also antiquated in this day of load management. And he had some seriously head scratching distributions on those Minnesota teams of both minutes and shots. I’m not all that convinced that he’s better than, for example, Mark Jackson at this point.

  43. Halliburton seems pretty lonzoballish, but he’s a better shooter. That’s probably not the kind of player most of us want (someone who can initiate offense and can shoot) but it’s also not a bad outcome. It’s certainly better than another guy who can’t put the ball into the basket.

  44. >>>It would be silly to trade out of the draft only because you have no control where future 1sts will land.<<<

    I wasn't thinking for future picks, but I was thinking the same thing about finding the sucker who falls in love with one of these prospects. Think Phil Jackson wanting to trade Porzingis to draft Josh Jackson.

    Long shot, I know. We never find the sucker because we usually are the sucker.

    (I will say, for all of Pills faults, I never felt we'd get suckered in a trade when Scott Perry was here. I think chances are we downgrade at GM.)

  45. I still like Killian Hayes. He plays in France but he’s American, his dad played in Europe and thought that would be a better place for Killian to develop. He has good handle, shooting percentages are good and he’s described as a high IQ player on both ends. His biggest weakness is turnovers, but those mostly come from making aggressive/flashy passes. Easily fixed. Has good feel on pick and roll.

  46. DRed: Halliburton seems pretty lonzoballish, but he’s a better shooter. That’s probably not the kind of player most of us want (someone who can initiate offense and can shoot) but it’s also not a bad outcome. It’s certainly better than another guy who can’t put the ball into the basket.

    A shooting Lonzo Ball seems like a decent player. I’d take that in a heartbeat. Would I rather have a superstar? Yes. But unless we get a top 2 pick, that’s a good outcome in any draft. And this draft doesn’t have any clear cut superstars.

    @JK47
    Killian Hayes shot below 20% from 3 last year, that’s worrisome. He’s currently shooting near 40% but on barely any attempts. This is why everyone thought Derrick Williams was a phenomenal shooter, he shot a total of 90 threes in college. Hayes is at 117 and hitting 27% in his Euro career.

  47. i hate to do this when there are so many good mj-warren analogies to be made, but i want to follow up on one quick point about the slim odds of getting a franchise-changing player with a mediocre draft pick. it’s true that the odds are very low. but in most cases for a bad team i think the cost is even lower.

    one way to frame this is to look at a team like the nuggets. they got incredibly lucky getting jokic in the second round. right up there with the best 2nd rounder ever. even if tim connelly is good at drafting, we know he’s not nostradamus. remember the nuggets technically drafted both gobert and donovan mitchell for utah. they also took two players before jokic, including a european center. you can’t plan for that kind of luck. sort of.

    the nuggets were also wisely opportunistic. they got our first in the melo deal which netted murray. they got a first from houston for lawson. they traded down for two first so the bulls could take mcdermott which netted nurkic and harris. they got will barton and a 1st for afflalo. what i’m trying to say here is they gave themselves room to take a lot of swings and plenty of whiffs. and whiff they did they took mudiay, traded the gobert pick for nothing, traded the mitchell pick for trey lyles, made a rough nurkic/plumlee deal. but the odds of getting a really good player on a rookie contract and long production runway start to really add up up when you collect a bunch of lottery tickets, and the opportunity cost of not filling up cap space from a veteran on a non-contender was very low. in most cases (sure, not all) that’s the way to go. if you can improve your chance of getting a top 40 player on a rookie deal from 1% to 5%, that’s way better than a 70% chance of going from 28 to 35 wins.

    and it’s not just about hitting big for bad teams or even rookie production above salary, it’s about moving assets forward while you are bad instead of allowing them to expire, cont…

  48. Haliburton would also complement RJ’s driving ability nicely. It would be great to leave this draft with Haliburton and Toppin somehow, but that seems like a very non-Knick draft.

  49. …in september of 1972 on z-man’s 40th birthday, the knicks bought john gianelli from houston, their second-round pick. in 1976 they traded him for bob mcadoo. when mcadoo was almost but not quite done, they flipped him to the celtics and got, in part, 3 firsts. one of those firsts was bill cartwright, who we of course later traded for a 25-year old charles oakley. and when oak was 35 we managed to deal him for a 24-yr old marcus camby in the best deal sean marks was ever involved him. had antonio mcdyess worked out the asset might still be alive today.

    obviously all assets don’t move forward in time like that, most just flame out. but these little things like buying an early 2nd when available are important because the small chance of a mediocre team transferring consumption to the future is really important. and the cost is really low. this is why so many people are frustrated we have not been aggressive enough doing more of this, to say the least. taking shitty contracts, buying shitty picks, trading courtney fucking lee when they could for the best pick available (not “win the trade”). the long shots add up.

  50. JK47:
    FT% is up near 90 though.

    I do like Hayes, it’s just a concern. Moreover, I just don’t think Dolan is drafting anymore players from France. So even though I like him more than the “top picks” like Cole Anthony, Edwards, etc. I’ve given up on picking him.

    I’m not sure how the numbers translate from EuroCup, which is a strong league, but Hayes & Haliburton both look like strong lotto picks. Maybe a slight edge to Haliburton because he’s shot more threes at higher %. But it’s close.

  51. When I first became a Knicks fan in 1966 (at age 34 in pt years), it seemed that they made one brilliant move after another. In 1967 they drafted Clyde, Phil and Mike Reardon (with a 12th round pick!). The next year, they fired Dick McGuire and hired Red Holtzman. In 1968 they traded the corpse of Walt Bellamy and Howard Komives for Dave DeBusscherre, who was a top glue-guy player in his late prime at that time. In early 1971 they traded a disgruntled Cazzie Russell for Jerry Lucas, a well past-his-prime but brilliant (and perhaps original) stretch-5 (fun fact: he twice led the league in TS% in over 3,000 minutes.) Then in late 1971 they traded Mike Reardon and Dave Stallworth for Earl Monroe, who was a superstar at that time.

    It’s pretty much been all downhill from there except for the Ewing pick (and even he wasn’t the best player in that draft). You would think that as I approach my 88th birthday, I would have more than the Leon Rose era to look forward to…alas…

  52. The long shots add up is a good distillation.

    I like to think of it as having spent 20 years refusing to pick up the 20 dollar bills lying on the sidewalk.

  53. And yet, somehow, we have people advocating for more building through free agency since that has worked so well…

    Imagine if we just did salary dumps for two off seasons. Actually next year would be a great year to be a facilitator for trades and salary dumps. We’re going to use our new POBO mad relationship skillz to make Giannis come I’m sure.

  54. I have no idea about Houston’s administrative capabilities. I do know he knew how to shoot the ball. Could we get him to teach that skill to some of our kids instead?

  55. Oh, we’re drafting Cole Anthony regardless of where we pick, unless LaMelo Ball is still on the board at which point it would be a coin flip. But Hayes is the future “we should have drafted that guy” guy to me right now.

  56. >>>And yet, somehow, we have people advocating for more building through free agency since that has worked so well…<<<

    Nah, man. We have some people who think PT Milo's strategy is brilliant but you can sprinkle in 1-2 decent vets without compromising it.

    It's not like if you have $80mm of cap space you use $80mm to take on salary dumps. There's a lot of competition for those trades.

  57. I wasn’t referring to your idea Hubert. I know you can’t use all the cap space every year for asset assumption and you do have to sign some free agents. I was talking more about how some people think that getting extra draft assets isn’t viable for a rebuild. More specifically the nonsensical statements that we’ve tried that and failed when we in fact have not.

  58. Ian Begley:

    From earlier: Julius Randle was asked about interim HC Mike Miller and the possibility of keeping him as coach next year: “I don’t make those decisions, but from my personal standpoint, dealing with him on a daily basis has been absolutely amazing.” More: https://t.co/0SK8xcYBR7

  59. In fact, I would trade up to get Ball. The best thing that happened is that he shot 20-80 from 3 in Australia. Otherwise he’d be a no-brainer #1 pick. But Z-man sez he will ABSOLUTELY be the best player in this draft.

  60. LeMelo’s shooting form is hideous. That shot is going to have to be completely remade. He does some other things well but sheesh that shooting form.

  61. I’m pretty excited about where the Knicks are right now. Assuming Rose comes in, hires a coach like Mark Jackson, and we have our usual bad luck in a bad draft, and then we make offers to Drummond and DeRozan…well, I can finally quit this team for good.

    rama summing it all up. Throught out these decades of shit there’s always been some glimmer of hope buried in there somewhere if you just squinted. But now.. I love basketball and I enjoy KB a hell of a lot but I could do other things. It’d be kinda nice to be set free.

  62. I don’t think it’s as bad as all that, certainly WAYYYY better than Lonzo and definitely better than RJ. His shot actually has quite a bit in common with Trae Young’s shot.

    Here’s a couple of shooting analysis videos by the same analyst:
    Trae Young
    LaMelo Ball

  63. It looks similar to Lonzo’s to me. Starts at his face and then he flings it, all elbows.

    On the Stepien they mentioned that his misses don’t tend to be in one direction, he misses all over the place, left, right, short, long. That doesn’t seem like a real good sign that it’s going to be easy to fix.

  64. Lonzo was pretty extremely on the left side of his head, LaMelo is more centered. His release point is low, which always looks funky…except when guys like Steph and Trae do it because it goes in so much.

  65. It’s very early and I haven’t put together a full big board, but Hayes looks like the best option to me at the moment. In a 1000 minute sample (hefty by European standards) his stats check out in just about every way, including an .840 FT% and .540 2PT%. You might ideally want a higher rebound rate and more 2PA, but I think the European schemes are such that every guard’s 2PA looks a little low.

    He’s up to 17 PTS/36, 8 AST/36, and 2 STL/36 this year. He seems…good at basketball! Wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world to draft us one of those guys.

  66. Yeah I think LaMelo is a better, bigger version of Lonzo in most ways, and the shooting should at least be average. But we are such a shooting-poor team, I could see going with a guy like Edwards instead (if we get the #1).

  67. It’s risky (and there’s the baggage of his dad) but in this draft, I’d be willing to roll the dice, because even without him becoming a great shooter he has great size and very impressive PG skills. This is not Frank Ntilikina. I think his floor is an Elfrid Payton-level player and his ceiling is unlimited. That was a very physical league he was playing in (and much higher level than the NCAA and probably as good as Strasbourg’s league) and at 18 years old he dominated, putting up 20/9/8 per 36 with 1.8 steals and only 3 TOs and 3 fouls per 36. He got to the line a decent amount (4.5 per 36) and converted 72%.

    I think at the end of the day he’s going top-2, maybe 3. Everyone else (and certainly those below him) has major question marks, so I would take a risk and trade up (at a reasonable cost) to get him.

  68. I would kinda like to have Lonzo, so a better shooting Lonzo is fine by me. Lonzo’s issues are he’s so bad at free throws and so allergic to even taking them that he’ll never be an efficient scorer no matter what, but he’s been quite decent for the Pelicans this year… he’s their best passer, he’s smart on the court and can defend, I’m not totally out on him yet.

  69. Look at these highlights of Hayes and compare it to Lonzo. The first thing that jumps out at me is that he carries the ball on nearly every possession. He has a very loose handle and I don’t see him doing much NBA PG-ish stuff. I’d be pretty bummed if he’s the best we can find.

  70. Edwards is intriguing but he’s certainly not a 1 so he would push RJ to the 3. And then you still need a PG.

  71. I’d draft LaMelo (even if it cost us an extra high pick or 2 lower ones) and keep Payton and Bullock (and obviously Randle if no one wants him). Then next year, I’d start Payton, RJ, Bullock, Randle and Mitch and bring LaMelo, Frank, Knox, Hinton and whoever is better of Iggy or whatever we can find in the bargain bin/2nd round/undrafted FA off the bench.

  72. Z-man:
    Look at these highlights of Hayes and compare it to Lonzo.The first thing that jumps out at me is that he carries the ball on nearly every possession. He has a very loose handle and I don’t see him doing much NBA PG-ish stuff. I’d be pretty bummed if he’s the best we can find.

    I meant compare to LaMelo obviously

  73. LaMelo’s 2pt fg% is lower than Hayes and Haliburton. I’m not sure if he struggles finishing or takes too many midrange shots, either way it’s concerning. Haliburton also has to contend with defenses parking their bigs in the paint for the whole possession.

    From what I’ve read LaMelo’s not great at scoring despite the POINTZ!!

  74. Early Bird: LaMelo’s 2pt fg% is lower than Hayes and Haliburton. I’m not sure if he struggles finishing or takes too many midrange shots, either way it’s concerning. Haliburton also has to contend with defenses parking their bigs in the paint for the whole possession.

    From what I’ve read LaMelo’s not great at scoring despite the POINTZ!!

    Sure, it’s concerning. But if there weren’t concerns, he wouldn’t be available to anyone but the lottery winners because no one would entertain a trade for him. (see: Zion, Ja)

    I just think that his size, rebounding, passing, and FT shooting mitigate the risk, and he is said to have a mature feel for the game.

  75. If LaMelo falls to us I’m happy, I don’t think I’d trade up. He definitely looks more athletic than Hayes from the highlights I’ve seen.

    Hayes looks like he struggles getting all the way to the basket, a little slow. He could figure out how to use his length to compensate, but that takes time.

    This is all from watching 5 min of highlights, but if Hayes isn’t blowing people away on highlights…

  76. ptmilo:
    kyrie out for the year

    We dodged a bullet on KD & Kyrie. Kinda like Neo in the Matrix, but imagine Dolan just falling flat on his face, tripping on his shoelaces

  77. Would anyone else be cool if we just kept Miller and Perry and banked on Mills and Fizdale being the two biggest (non-Dolan) problems?

    Neither of them are great but I just can’t shake the feeling that we’re going to replace both of them with someone worse. GM Allan Houston and Coach Tom Thibodeau is not an upgrade.

  78. Hubert:
    Would anyone else be cool if we just kept Miller and Perry and banked on Mills and Fizdale being the two biggest (non-Dolan) problems?

    Neither of them are great but I just can’t shake the feeling that we’re going to replace both of them with someone worse.GM Allan Houston and Coach Tom Thibodeau is not an upgrade.

    Yes. Mediocre is good enough

  79. I’m not convinced he’s better than Porzingis, but I’d max Ingram.

    As to Houston, who’s “promoting” him? The guy who’s supposed to be running basketball ops isn’t even in the house yet. Did Rose promote him? If not, then it was someone else … and that’s really not how things are supposed to be going.

  80. Hubert, yes I would be cool with it; in fact it is my preferred outcome. Miller seems competent. I don’t know Perry’s taste in players, but he knows value in deals and none of his signings have handicapped the team. It could be much much worse. And since Perry apparently was on the side of trade Morris for picks and not trade a lot for Russell, that’s another good sign. If we have a competent coach and a front office that accumulates value here and there with trades we should improve, even if it is slow.

  81. Would anyone else be cool if we just kept Miller and Perry and banked on Mills and Fizdale being the two biggest problems?

    I just can’t shake the feeling that we’re going to replace both of them with someone worse.

    I’m totally fine with that. Maybe we can get Masai that way. Miller seems like a good coach. Perry’s pulled off some good trades.

  82. I don’t have too much of an issue with Houston getting a promotion to whatever role is on the cards. It does have a bit of a meet the new boss (same as the old boss) vibe, but the Westies have put together a really nice g-league program, so you have to probably give some credit to Houston for that.

  83. I’d also be fine with Miller+Perry (although more Miller than Perry). I think there’s a general consensus that parlaying a halfway decent team on the rise into attracting some free agents is a reasonable plan, with most of the disagreement being around whether it’s better to achieve the first point through more of a bottoming out approach or attempt to speed it up by going for more veterans.

    But really the truth is that you don’t need to do anything all that creative or clever to become a decent team. You hardly need a plan at all. 16 of 30 teams make the playoffs. The league has built in structures designed to make it cyclical. If we could just stop shooting ourselves in the foot for two seconds, we could become the 8th seed with a relatively clean balance sheet purely through gravity, particularly in the Eastern conference. For a perfect example look at Orlando. Did they do anything at all particularly right in their post-Dwight rebuild? Not really, no, but the natural tides of the league have lifted them to a few years run as the 8th seed in a weak conference with relatively clean books and a modestly interesting nice core, and if the Knicks could ever just do that little I think being the Knicks could start to be a real asset for them instead of a massive hindrance.

    All that is basically to say that I would sign up for mediocre stewardship at the GM and head coach positions provided I knew it wouldn’t be worse than that. Miller doesn’t seem like anything special (although I do think we need to see what he can do with a chance to take the team through camp) but he’s not a disaster. Perry seems fine (although I have more concerns here – his work in Sac wasn’t very convincing). Should we be able to do better? In theory yes, but the last 20 years of data tells me that’s not how it’s likely to go.

  84. I’m not sure why this is so complicated.

    We need people that have a solid history of being very successful in the NBA doing the exact same job they will be doing for us. We keep taking fliers on people that at best have been successful in some other area of the NBA and at worst look incompetent.

    Phil was a great coach. They made him POBO.

    Mills wasn’t good at anything. They made him Phil’s GM.

    Mills was a failure as Phil’s GM. So they made him POBO.

    Nothing in Perry’s resume suggested he was a top GM.

    Fizdale’s record as a head coach was not good and he fought with his star player.

    Rose is an agent

    Houston has done nothing.

    The closest thing we’ve done to making any sense was to make Miller the interim head coach. At least he was a coach of the year in the G league and was sending us up some players that could play a little. So he was worth taking a look at in a wash out season.

    It’s hard to not give up hope.

  85. >>I’m not convinced he’s better than Porzingis, but I’d max Ingram.<<

    I'm pretty sure Ingram is not as good an all around player as a healthy Porzingis, but he's getting better at a steady clip on offense and is younger. He's also probably less likely to break down even though he's had injury issues also. If we maxed him, I don't think I'd shoot myself, but I wouldn't be celebrating either. We still have more games to see this year to see what he can do and see if he sustain his improved efficiency this year. It's certainly not a plan "A" unless he looks great down the stretch of the season.

  86. Ingram is substantially better on offense than Porzingis. For a person who claims you need to watch the games, you’re awfully confident in your implicit claim about Ingram’s defense. How many Pelicans games have you watched? Four?

    Kyrie Irving headed to surgery? Mmm, $68,932,000 for 20 games of Kyrie and 0 games of Durant, sitting at $142M in committed salaries next year. I can’t wait for the meltdown when they set a 44-win pace next year. This is crazy… but I’d rather be a Knicks fan right now.

  87. >kyrie out for the year<

    I may have been one of the few people in NY that was happy that Durant and Kyrie didn't choose the Knicks. As everyone knows, I am not a huge Kyrie fan as a player and said Boston would do just fine without his ball stopping ways. And I still think Durant's window, even assuming he comes back well and start playing close to his best ball in the second half of next season, was too short given the rest our team.

    The Nets make make a serious run in the East next year, but I don't think they have enough to win it all and the window is going to start closing fast assuming both these guys even stay healthy and Kyrie doesn't fall off the flat earth.

  88. “Kyrie Irving headed to surgery? Mmm, $68,932,000 for 20 games of Kyrie and 0 games of Durant, sitting at $142M in committed salaries next year. I can’t wait for the meltdown when they set a 44-win pace next year. This is crazy… but I’d rather be a Knicks fan right now.”

    Yeah but the Nets are cool and the Knicks are not.

  89. >Ingram is substantially better on offense than Porzingis. For a person who claims you need to watch the games, you’re awfully confident in your implicit claim about Ingram’s defense. How many Pelicans games have you watched? Four?<

    I said he's not the better "all around" player when KP is healthy. That includes defense.

    When I've watched Ingram play over the years in LA and for the Pelicans he looked like a neutral defender to me. I didn't see anything good or terrible. That's backed up by DRPM data over the last 2 years where he's been negative. KP is definitely a solidly plus defender because of his rim protection and help defense. That's backed up by his entire career DRPM data and obvious just watching. He sometimes impacts games on defense alone,

    Ingram has been terrific on offense this year, but he's also shooting 40% from 3 which is well above his average. That's why I said I'd like to see more to see of him this year to see if that is his new improved sustainable level or contains noise. Otherwise, I'm barely sure he's a net plus player let alone better than KP, who definitely IS a plus player when he's healthy.

    Just for the record, Ingram's teams have been better with him off the court every single year including this one.

  90. >Whoa, whoa, whoa — DRPM? Why are you using fake stats?<

    I think it's the least terrible of the single number stats if viewed over multiple years and it at least tries to measure individual defense in a reasonable way.

    The major flaw I don't like (and I'm sure there are many others) is that I think lineups matter. It's not always whether you are playing with good or bad players (which it tries to adjust for). Sometimes it's whether you are playing with the right or wrong good/bad players, in the right or wrong system, and in the right or wrong role for you. That's why I sometimes use common sense basketball principles and look at lineup data hoping to gain additional insights about why a player might be struggling. Sometimes, he's just on the court with the wrong player(s).

    I still think Randle is a good offensive player. He's just in some really bad lineups in NY given his skillset being asked to do things he can't do.

  91. Houston has done nothing.

    I mean he has been the GM at Westchester for a few years now. It seems they have a good program down there, so I think if you are going to give praise for Miller’s accomplishments in the G-League, Houston probably should get some plaudits too. Not saying he is a game-changer or anything, but I mean he has had some GMing experience.

  92. USC vs Colorado on ESPN2. Okongwu on USC has been discussed here a bit as a possibility with our own pick, and I’ve been trying to conduct the Tyler Bey (Colorado) Train with one of our others.

  93. Lol at Andre Iguodala’s -28 right now in 22 minutes in a tie game with like 40 seconds to play. Two teams I root against most: smug, lucky Riley’s Heat and idiocy rewarded Lakers.

  94. Reddish sucks, but that was a fantastic play. Picks Dragic’s pocket and finishes for the lead.

  95. I think it’s the least terrible of the single number stats if viewed over multiple years and it at least tries to measure individual defense in a reasonable way.

    Let me translate that for you:

    “My true love Kristaps P does fairly well in this stat therefore I like it”

  96. I love when NBA Twitter acts like Knickberblogger whenever a controversial player (whether it be Frank, Derrick Rose, KP, Knox last year before everyone besides Z-Man gave up on him, etc.) has a good game. “Cam Reddish will be a top three player from this draft.”

  97. I generally don’t give up on guys at age 19-22 unless:
    -they are not suited for the position they are playing (e.g. Frank, although can be salvaged by switching positions)
    -they have an incredibly low b-ball IQ (DSjr)
    -they have a terrible attitude (Hezonja)
    -they are utterly hopeless at defense (Willy)

    Knox is physically capable of playing either forward position, is coachable, and has some skill. He also seems emotionally (and somewhat physically) immature. The slow motor and low IQ are major concerns, but I’m not ready to give up on him at age 20 just yet. Definitely a bad pick no matter how it turns out, though. He’s looking more like Bargnani every day.

  98. It wasn’t a criticism! I was just going to write “before everyone gave up on him” when I remembered that you have not, so I wanted to give you your due.

    That said…”they are utterly hopeless at defense”….uhmmmm….

  99. No offense taken, just wanted to clarify why I am not out on Knox yet. Yes, his defense is terrible but he is still very , very young.

  100. The problem with playing the restricted free agency game on a guy like Ingram is that there’s a very, very high chance the Pelicans match. So if you give him an offer sheet there’s a really good chance that you’re tying up all your cap space for a few days for no real reason. And with how fast free agency moves these days (as the NBA seems to have completely given up on restrictions against tampering during the moratorium) that’s not great. If we reach a point where there’s nothing else we want to do with our space and he’s still looking for an offer, then sure, I’d do it just to make the Pelicans pay full freight and for the small benefit of the off-chance they don’t match. But they will match so it’s mostly just the (extremely minor) benefits of the former. (And the fact that there’s so little incentive for any team to make him an offer is exactly why teams are able to squeeze their guys in RFA).

    As far as the player he’s obviously having a great year but he also is truly having one of the greatest season to season shooting improvements ever. Last year shot 33% on 1.9 3PA/36 to this year shooting 40% on 6.6 3PA/36. More than tripled the volume while also improving on the percentage from significantly below average to significantly above average is really something. You have to be more than a little worried about regression, particularly if you move him from a supposedly excellent shooting coach in New Orleans to whatever we have going on over here. Still he doesn’t even turn 23 until almost the beginning of next year. Would take him in a heartbeat, but yeah, they’re matching any offer.

  101. Sidebar:

    I was on the fence about Succession through the first few episodes. Funny, dark, but not terribly compelling. How wrong I was. The last few episodes of Season 1 were amazing television, with the season finale being among the best episodes of TV I’ve seen. I borrow from our friend Mr. Sepinwall when I say It– Gets– Good.

    Makes me wonder what it’s like to be actors like Sarah Snoop and Matthew MacFadyen when they receive the scripts for those final two episodes — the bedroom scenes in particular — knowing that it may very well be the finest original content they ever read on-screen. The excitement, the pressure — must be an incredible feeling.

  102. succession is fantastic. if you like billions more than succession we can’t hang. billions isn’t even in the same zip code as black monday let alone succession.

  103. >>Let me translate that for you:

    “My true love Kristaps P does fairly well in this stat therefore I like it”<<<

    lol

    Not really.

    RPM can be very noisy for a single year or two and can't handle lineup issues, system issues, player role, young improving players, injury issues, etc.. very well. But IMO it's an OK starting point IF you look at "several years" of data. It's especially useful for individual defense because all the other models totally suck for defense. The other models are also not inclusive enough of many things that add value that aren't in the boxscore.

    After that, I start getting into a more subjective analysis of the player's skills, lineup data, shot selection, system he's paying in, how the player is being used, impact of injuries on performance, age of player, and the things it can't handle.

  104. “just wanted to clarify why I am not out on Knox yet. Yes, his defense is terrible but he is still very , very young.”

    Yes, he’s very young. But it would be better if he was Très Young.

  105. If Trae Young learns to play defense well enough to not be a huge liability, he has a chance to be other worldly good. IMO, he can be better than Doncic because he’s a much better outside shooter than Doncic. But right now he’s an ever bigger liability on defense than Doncic and Doncic is bad enough.

  106. 40% may turn out to be a career high, but it’s not like Ingram was Ntilikinian before this season. His career 3PT% is .360. He shot .410 in college. It’s a little hard to imagine he would come here and start throwing up bricks (though no negative Knicks related outcome would be surprising, per se). His career FT% numbers are concerning, but he seems to have fixed that over a huge sample this season.

    What I would be concerned about is him coming here and immediately throwing away all of the shot distribution improvements he’s made. Those seem more tenuous to me than the skill related improvements he’s made, largely because I have no idea what our coaches would have to say on the matter, or who they even will be in this scenario.

    Overall I’d be fine with him on a max deal. I don’t think it would ever be viewed as an albatross. He’s only 22 now so further improvements aren’t out of the question, and if he just had this exact season every year of the deal it would be fine and likely movable for value at any time (shout out to Courtney Lee). It wouldn’t be risk free, but no multiyear deal is and this one avoids all age-related risk for once.

    Alas, David Griffin knows all of these things too and will match anything so we shouldn’t spill too much virtual ink on this.

  107. I’m not a Knox fan.

    I’m a very patient guy with young players. However, it’s one thing to wait for a high level young defender to develop an adequate role on offense or a guy that’s got a good offensive game to become adequate on defense. It’s another when the guy is bad on both sides. There’s no reason to throw in the towel at his age, but I’m having a tough finding a reason to think Knox is likely to become a net plus player other than he has a good attitude and seems to want to get better.

  108. thenoblefacehumper,

    Ingram is almost certainly going to be a very good player. I was just throwing a little cold water on him at the max because he’s NOT a good defender and that 3p% is a bit of a spike from the prior 3 year average. I don’t view him as an automatic Plan A max signing. But we do get to see another 25-30 games.

  109. Doncic’s big advantage over Trae on defense is that he’s much bigger. He doesn’t seem like much of an individual defender but he’s big and a very good rebounder for his position so he can help the team overall in ways Trae can’t. Luka can improve his outside shot and be 5 time MVP. Trae needs to cut down on his turnovers (seems doable) and get better on defense, which he might physically be unable to do. Trae is really a spectacular offensive player-the Luka/Trae trade is still sort of logical, and it’s weird to me that Atlanta seems to get more criticism than the Suns or Sacto.

  110. Trae’s strength is that he’s virtually unguardable in the halfcourt and will win a lot of games that are close in the 4th q just because the Hawks will score every time down the court with lots of 3’s and FTs mixed in. We saw that in the double OT game. I don’t think Luka will ever be as tough to stop from scoring in crunch time as Trae, but Luka is a better all-around player. It’s sort of like comparing MVP LeBron to MVP Steph.

    DRed, I get that you probably weren’t serious but Luka is not going to win anywhere near 5 MVPs even if his shooting improves, partly because of how much bias there is in the voting and partly because he’ll never be a great defender. Only Kareem (6), MJ (5) LBJ (4) and Wilt (4) have won it more than 3 times, and I don’t think Luka will ever be in that class of 2-way player.

  111. Yeah, count me among those who thought the trade was colossally stupid, like franchise-crippling stupid. Now it seems like a pretty even trade, although I probably would be happier if I’m Dallas.

  112. Trae Young is probably the worst defender in the entire league and he doesnt have the body to be much better in any of the athletic aspects.

    He’s a superstar, I would love to have him, but he would have to improve by an unprecedented amount to be a decent defender.

    Ingram would be a very sensible attempt to get a max player that’s still probably going to improve, but I’m pretty sure the Pelicans are matching any offer right away so it’s not that interesting to discuss.

  113. Once Kyrie comes back next season, he will easily be the worst defender in the league and the Nets will mostly likely be bottom 5 in defense next season lol.

    Personally, I am anxious for the offseason to get here. I would love to see a regular rotation of Mitch/Randle/RJ/Bullock/Payton/Taj/Wooten/Knox/Dot/Frank the rest of the way. With some Trier and Iggy sprinkled in. Just let em play!

  114. The best comparison I can think of for Trae Young right now is Isaiah Thomas during his last (and best) year with the Celts. Here’s their stats.

    Trae rebounds a bit better and gets 3 more assists per 36 but commits 2 more turnovers. Otherwise eerily similar.

  115. I’m going to the game tonight, hopefully Payton will play, otherwise Indiana might run us out of the building.

  116. DRED,

    IMO, guys like Doncic that are actually Point Forwards are always going to look great on boxscore metrics because they will tend to rebound better than the true PGs and make more plays than the true SFs. That adds a lot of value to their personal rating. But I’m less sure they are actually adding as much at the team level as those metrics suggest.

    Sure, Trae won’t get as many rebuonds per 36, but there will be some SF on the court with him that will.

    So at the team level, does Dallas actually benefit a lot by Doncic getting those rebounds instead of someone else?

    I haven’t actually checked the data.

    To me, Trae may be the better overall offensive weapon and it’s at least debatable who the better playmaker is too. I’m not worried about his rebounds. That’s not his role.

    What he can’t be is one of the worst defenders in the league.

  117. Knox can create a variety of shots on his own. That’s a relatively rare and valuable skill.

    He has good shooting form on the catch and shoot ones he doesn’t create.

    He’s got weird-ish form on the penetration-ish ones he can create.

    He’s got high potential in transition.

    If he could start making the shots he can create, he’d be an excellent player. There’s no reason to give up on him. It may never happen, you can even say the odds are against it, but it’s too early to give up.

  118. Luka rebounds well for a forward. Trae is about average for a G. Luka’s rebounding probably helps his team rebound and that mitigates some of his shitty individual defense. You can play, say, a center who isn’t a great rebounder with Luka and it won’t hurt the team even if some box score stats will not be kind to that hypothetical bigman. It’s like Steph Curry mitigating his individual poor defense by getting steals. Trae doesn’t bring anything above average to the table for his teams defense. Maybe he can get better at getting steals or even rebounding-he seems like he reads the game well and he’s physically gifted in some ways.

  119. If Doncic figures out the elusive 3PT shot, he will win an MVP sooner than later. Team success and the perception of his defense are the limiting factors beyond that. If they barely crack 50 wins, it’s going to be hard to make the case. If they win 60, he’s a shoo-in.

    He takes 44% of his shots from beyond the arc and makes only 32% of them. If he improved to 37%, the Mavs would score 1.25 points more per game. In ORtg, the Mavs currently lead the #2 Rockets by 3.6 points per 100, which is more than the difference between the Rockets and the #16 Pelicans.

    It’s unfathomable that Doncic is shooting that poorly from beyond the arc at that ridiculous volume and still leading the best offense in the modern era. Curry and Klay shot .414 and .411 respectively during the juggernaut 2016-17 season on a combined 1436 attempts and that squad still trails this year’s Mavs by 2 whole points per 100, a relative chasm.

  120. Damn, that sucks.

    DRed, I believe it was Jowles who pointed out a while ago (with accompanying video and statistical analysis) that Steph was actually a very underrated defender. Nash is probably a better comp for Trae in that regard.

  121. For whatever it’s worth, Dallas is 4th in rebounding in the league and the Hawks are 26th, so I’m willing to bet the rebounds Young is not getting aren’t simply getting rebounded by someone else. I can’t understand why rebounding is so disrespected as a skill that affects the game positively towards winning.

    It was the same shit with Westbrook, now were seeing it everywhere with Luka. They’re getting those rebounds and initiating offense, that’s inherently valuable in it’s own right already. It puts the ball in the hands of your best player, he can initiate transition opportunities, there’s a lot of value in that. Maybe Doncic rebounds better simply because he’s taller, but that’s also an edge he has over Young, being taller and stronger. It’s a real thing.

  122. Luka’s size and how it translates into rebounding is a huge advantage on both ends. The only way that Trae can make up for that is to be an even better shooter than he already is.

  123. I’m not going to get into particular players, but two secular changes have made it significantly easier for smaller guys to get more rebounds — (1) teams play smaller lineups; (2) teams value transition defense over offensive rebounds and therefore don’t crash the boards as much on the offensive end. Actually, make it (3) with modern spread offenses, the lane and basket area are far less crowded, particularly with bigger guys.

  124. In Steph’s best year, he was a 50-45-90 guy at a 32.6 usg% with 5.7 rebs per 36 and a league-leading 2.3 steals per game. He led the league with a .669 TS%. That’s mind-blowing.

  125. Jowles, it was probably around the time that this article came out…

    I kinda miss the search feature (although it does make it harder for THCJ to pluck a doozie post of mine from the archives)

  126. That’s crazy, cause that’s Tyson Chandler territory. In 2012-13 Tyson Chandler helped the Knicks by leading the league with a .671 TS%.

  127. Trae isn’t a particularly bad rebounder, he’s just not good. I’m saying he-unlike Steph or Luka-isn’t doing things that help team defense (keep the opposition off the glass, generate turnovers) to mitigate his poor individual defense.

  128. Steph added a ton of strength through big time work in the weight room as I recall and his rebound rate seems to reflect that.

    Doncic and Young are high usage enough and efficient enough I don’t really care how bad they are on defense. They give you the leeway to put undervalued high-end defenders out there alongside them. The Hawks and Mavs haven’t gone that route yet but it’s the logical inefficiency to exploit next.The Iverson Finals team was always my favorite example of this, the Answer and a bunch of junkyard dogs.

  129. The Iverson Finals team was always my favorite example of this, the Answer and a bunch of junkyard dogs.

    Yeah I would think this model could work really well if you had an efficient scorer like Doncic, but surround him with nasty defenders and a couple guys who can shoot. Nevermind the Iverson 76ers, that’s more like the Jordan Bulls.

  130. Yeah, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I don’t care if players that are this good on offense don’t play defense. Obviously you’d rather have Giannis or peak LeBron who can do both, but there’s plenty of ways to mitigate having one bad defender, especially when he guarantees you a good offense by himself. While I agree Curry was better at defende than most people give him credit, the Warriors still generally hid him on the worst offensive player of the other team, mostly because they could (Klay, Iguodala and Green could all defend anyone), but also because no team has 4 offensive threats on the court all the time to punish that.

  131. and for our sins…looks like we’ll get another eyeful of DSJ doing his “thing” tonight…

    having one of those weird days where dread seems to be following me around like a shadow…thinking of DSJ starting tonight is not helping to alleviate those feelings…

    actually you know what, just thinking about it – i just started laughing, so – thank you elf’s bum ankle…

  132. I’m very intrigued to see what Trae looks like once they get him some real teammates. So far in his career he hasn’t really been able to drive particularly efficient team offense the way Luka has (despite his wizardry the Hawks are 27th in offense overall; almost 12 points/100 possessions worse than the Mavs overall number) but a huge part of that is obviously the surrounding talent – the Hawks are a truly mind-boggling 13.6 pts per 100 possessions worse when Trae is off the floor. I don’t think I ever remember seeing a number like that before. His defense is obviously awful, but he’d for sure be a lot more hide-able on a team that had a decent defender to be found…anywhere. To have a roster without any good defensive players that also can’t do a single thing offensively without Trae seems not great.

  133. >>>, I don’t care if players that are this good on offense don’t play defense.<<<

    I care and I don't. You can go very far with a guy like Trae but I've always maintained there's a limit. There's not a lot of teams that expose a weak link that bad, but there's usually one and you'll probably have to play them eventually.

    Trae seems destined to be enjoyed for the marvel that he is until eventually his team is getting bounced in the 2nd or 3rd round on the regular.

  134. All this talk of Trae v Doncic and how dumb the Suns, Kings, and Grizzlies were is going to be funny when Michael Porter Jr emerges as the best player in that draft and he and Jokic win multiple titles together.

  135. To be fair, Hubert, how many players like Young exist? One, by my count, and he’s a three-time ring winner.

  136. We could have had Michael Porter Jr sit and get healthy last year. Instead we took Kevin Knox.

  137. The Bucks look like that Sixers team, except everyone can shoot. If they lose again it will be via epic collapse.

  138. Yeah, Porter Jr. is coming along really nice for the Nuggets, the question is just if his body will ever hold up playing starting minutes for a full season. He seems like a very smart offensive player, efficient, has all the tools to be an impact player.

  139. Knox IS healthier than Porter Jr.

    I don’t think I was a proponent of Porter back then so I can’t hold anyone’s feet to the fire on that. Great outcome for the Nuggets. though.

  140. I was a proponent for drafting Michael Porter Jr because I had faith that a year of NBA strength and conditioning would restore him and felt his rehab timeline fit with our win curve. Imagine if we were adding Michael Porter Jr in with RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson, two more 1st round picks, and two picks next year?

    Michael Porter Jr, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Mikal Bridges, and Miles Bridges were all available. We took Kevin Knox.

  141. If that one is Curry, Jowles, I strongly disagree. He’s not a good defender, but he can hold his own.

    Two guys I’m thinking of are Lillard and Nash. It takes a very special team to capitalize on them, but there usually is one.

    So yeah, you’d never say no to a Lillard, a Nash, or a Young. But you might be setting your ceiling as a Just Nearly team.

  142. The Glass Half Rebuilt: Michael Porter Jr, Shai Gilgeous Alexander, Mikal Bridges, and Miles Bridges were all available. We took Kevin Knox.

    I’m pretty glad we passed on Miles, he projected poorly and may actually be worse than Knox. He was the other one I didn’t want, which means he was likely our second choice.

    To put in perspective, pretty sure Miles was the guy Knox destroyed in the 3v3 game. So at least that game saved us from Miles.

  143. Donnie Walsh: Michael Porter Jr emerges as the best player in that draft and he and Jokic win multiple titles together.

    Just wait for Bol Bol to get healthy and join them too…

  144. Markieff Morris being a buyout guy really highlights how lucky we got with Marcus. Jokes/irony aside, there’s really not much of a difference between the two production-wise

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