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Tuesday, October 23, 2018

2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks @ Magic

The second half of the season kicks off tonight in Orlando, where the Knicks take on the Orlando Magic.

Emmanuel Mudiay takes over as the new starter at the point guard position. Maybe it’ll work out somehow!

Luke Kornet has had some more time to practice with the team, so he’s probably ready to score double figures tonight. Let’s go, Kornet!

65 comments on “2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks @ Magic

  1. dtrickey

    Danger game for the tank. Let’s see what the kids have got and hope for the best…..or worst……however you want to look at it.

  2. Stratomatic "It's tough being us"

    Having Mudiay, Kanter, and Beasley on the court at the same time may be defensive malpractice.

    The more I watch the Knicks without KP the more I think he deserves DPOY votes.

  3. Grocer

    This plan of bit playing defense + fouling them every time it looks like they might miss a shot seems like a good tanking strategy, but I worry the Magic will fuck it up and let us win.

  4. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    p h y s i c a l t o o l s
    u p s i d e
    i n t r i g u i n g

    They need to get O’Quinn out of there before he ruins the tank. Like, now.

  5. Bruno Almeida

    41 points in the first, I’m feeling confident on the ability of this lineup to get destroyed by any team.

    Mudiay has literally zero clue how to play anything on defense.

  6. Brian Cronin Post author

    The more I watch the Knicks without KP the more I think he deserves DPOY votes.

    I was really, really happy with KP’s defense this season.

  7. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    How can Burke score in an NBA game? How is this happening? Are you telling me there are rookie min players who can actually make a few shots in a real NBA game? That’s ridiculous.

  8. geo

    For all of his offensive talent, Beasley is a transcendentally bad team player.

    playing on a transcendentally bad team, playing for a transcendentally bad organization…

    the only thing superior about the new york knickerbockers is their fans…and clyde :-)

  9. rama in the JING

    I suppose it’s possible that a player who’s been as bad as Mudiay over several seasons became a serviceable NBA player, but it seems extremely unlikely.

  10. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Good to know that we have this year’s Maurice Ndour in Trey Burke and this year’s Tim Hardaway Jr. in Tim Hardaway Jr.

  11. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    @16

    I see no path to him being good. He simply has too much to work on, like, my god he’s awful. But if he gets us a few spots better in the draft then he was worth the second, I think.

  12. DRed

    I’m a bit behind the live action, so I haven’t been commenting, but holy shit Troy Williams looks like he’s 50

  13. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I suppose it’s possible that a player who’s been as bad as Mudiay over several seasons became a serviceable NBA player, but it seems extremely unlikely.

    Yeah, but prove it won’t happen.

    Hornacek should be fired.

  14. d-mar

    Paul and Harden? Curry and Thompson? Lillard and McCollum?

    Who needs those guys, we’ve got Burke and Hardaway, our building blocks for the future!!

  15. nosboss

    Man is this annoying, gain nothing from winning. I know there are some teams that will be hard to lose against but damn burke is killing this. Well its good that the hornets are losing so its not the worst thing but still annoying

  16. wetbandit

    This team is so fucking stupid. I hate Burke’s game so much. Lance Lee and Oquinn with solid play we don’t need. Mudiay conducting layup drillls.

  17. djphan

    burke’s going to have game’s like this where he gets hot…. we just have a lot of guys like that so we’re going to pickup wins just on volatility alone….

    it’s going to be pretty hard getting above #10… we’re not league worst level of bad.. we’re sadly just very mediocre…

  18. Brian Cronin Post author

    Kevin Knox would probably be the most talented player on this current team (not counting KP, of course).

  19. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Kevin Knox is a bad prospect and I wouldn’t pick him with the #20 pick much less the inevitable #12 pick we will be picking him with

  20. Brian Cronin Post author

    Kevin Knox is a bad prospect and I wouldn’t pick him with the #20 pick much less the inevitable #12 pick we will be picking him with

    I don’t want Knox, either, but sadly he still would probably be the most talented non-KP player on the team next season (hopefully Frank will improve in the offseason and be better).

  21. wetbandit

    It’s like no one on the team gets the fact that every championship team got their pieces in the draft.

    When everyone’s tanking, they roll out Courtney fucking Lee.

  22. DRed

    Trey plays no defense but he’s legitimately been terrific on offense so far. I have my doubts about his ability to keep it going, but what can you do, playing the kids is what we should be doing.

    Out tanking teams like Orlando is going to be impossible.

  23. Brian Cronin Post author

    Yeah, I agree that you can be mad about the result, but the process of playing Burke was fine. He really has been electric on offense. The problem with this team was ever trying to compete, not what they’re doing right this moment.

  24. wetbandit

    It really doesn’t take much to do the right things in the NBA, you just have to have the right philosophy. You can be practical and do everything else wrong but still end up with Towns or Davis if you decide to tank. Or you can fuck up every damn decision you have like signing Rose, Noah, Hardaway, keeping Lee/Oquinn, playing to win, and giving minutes to non-minus players when there’s no fucking point in doing that.

    It’s literally. Every. Damn. Decision. Idiots. AHHHHH

  25. DRed

    Burke-9th pick
    Porzingis-4th pick
    Kanter-3rd pick
    Ntilikina-8th pick
    Mudiay-7th pick

    Pretty wild we have 5 top 10 picks 25 and under and we’re terrible.

  26. Brian Cronin Post author

    What kills me about Mudiay is that so much of his problems are mental. That’s the problem with a lot of guys, of course, but it’s still frustrating. Like he never learned how to play defense. I think Mudiay had as much upside as anyone in the 2015 Draft. He just had to put his shit together and we all knew that it was possible that he would never do so. And, well, he never did so. It sucks to watch.

  27. dtrickey

    In fairness, they played Lee 14 minutes, Jack was a DNP and gave bulk minutes to the kids. If we are going to win this way then so be it. We just have to let the cards fall where they may I guess if big minutes are going to the under 25 crew.

  28. DRed

    Mudiay-22 minutes
    Burke-26 minutes
    Frank-29 minutes
    Dotson-7 minutes
    Lee-14 minutes

    I mean you can’t be too mad at that.

  29. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    For real though, our draft pick this year is gonna be Miles Bridges. It was always going to be him all along, we all know it, so hop on board the inferior M Bridges train while it’s still in the station. I think he’s actually pretty good, so I wouldn’t mind having him on my team, though.

    It’s just a pity that we can never have nice things like Luka Doncic

  30. Brian Cronin Post author

    I think Bridges (either one) would also be the most talented player on next year’s team.

  31. dtrickey

    It’s just a pity that we can never have nice things like Luka Doncic

    Who knows? Maybe we pull a Chicago circa 2008 and win the lottery with a 1.7% chance. It’s been a while since we drafted Ewing, so we are a due a bit of draft “luck”.

  32. djphan

    i actually like a lot of what hardaway has done and how he’s progressed… recent shooting struggles aside…. he’s a top 15 sg with potential to be a lot better than that…. so i think he would be the 2nd best player on the team….

  33. Brian Cronin Post author

    THJ isn’t useless, but I would really hope that the Bridges would be over .100 WS/48 in their first seasons.

    Neither look like they’ll be stars, but both look like the types of guys who can at least crack .100 in their first season.

  34. geo

    Burke-9th pick
    Porzingis-4th pick
    Kanter-3rd pick
    Ntilikina-8th pick
    Mudiay-7th pick

    Pretty wild we have 5 top 10 picks 25 and under and we’re terrible.

    that’s gotta mean something…

    and, cuz knicks, that something can’t be good…

  35. Bruno Almeida

    The only thing about Miles Bridges that scares me is that when I watch him I get major flashbacks about watching Marcus Morris in Kansas and thinking he would be a pretty good player in the league, from the underwhelming steals + blocks, the just ok rebounding and the not enough to be a 4 but slow for the 3 size. At least Miles seems to be a more consistent 3 pt shooter already, but I just can’t shake this feeling.

  36. Brian Cronin Post author

    I suppose I shouldn’t expect a good rookie season from anyone outside the top 5-7 guys, really. Like Morris. He grew to become a good player, but he was dreadful to start.

  37. djphan

    a rookie who posts a ws48 of over .100… and not a big man… is probably going to be a superstar…. miles is probably not that… and i doubt mikal would be either although i think he’s going to be pretty good in his own right….

    i keep going back to troy brown as probably the SF with the highest upside…. and the reason why i’m not too worried about falling too far back in the lotto…. but it’s also likely that the knicks have no idea who he is….

  38. Brian Cronin Post author

    Yeah, you’re right. It’s really hard to have a plus .100 season as a rookie. So maybe THJ will be the best player on the Knicks next season. O’Quinn might be back, though!

  39. djphan

    well… looks like michael porter jr might suit up this season….. i think that’s a bad move for him… hopefully he’ll be alright…

  40. Bruno Almeida

    @59

    I’m not sure I’d call Morris good, at most he’s decent. A career .085 ws48 guy who has a .529 ts% on a limited role for a top 5 team and is not much of a defender would be a pretty disappointing outcome for this dreadful season.

    Like Morris, I feel Miles will get to a point where he either becomes a sharpshooter and is a pretty valuable role player, or he will struggle defending his position and won’t have the size or the shooting consistency to be a very valuable starter.

    I might be selling him a bit short as he is a versatile and smart player who is a pretty good athlete, but I don’t see too much to be excited about in his profile.

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