Knicks Morning News (2017.04.26)

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Bucks, a Youthful Bunch, Are Facing a Bright Future
    (Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:45:22 AM)

    Even if it is eliminated by the Toronto Raptors, a team with more playoff experience, Milwaukee has budding stars like Malcolm Brogdon, Giannis Antetokounmpo and Thon Maker.

  • [NYTimes] Greg Marius, Who Sought Profit in Street Ball in Harlem, Dies at 59
    (Tuesday, April 25, 2017 8:38:12 PM)

    Mr. Marius’s Entertainers Basketball Classic at Rucker Park in Harlem featured playground legends, professional basketball players, corporate sponsors and exuberant crowds.

  • [NYTimes] Rockets 105, Thunder 99 | Houston wins Series, 4-1: James Harden Scores 34 as Rockets Oust the Thunder
    (Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:06:10 AM)

    Houston won the first-round Western Conference playoff series, 4-1. Oklahoma City had plenty of chances late in Game 5, but it missed shot after shot.

  • [NYPost] The weirdest, most regrettable Knicks sightings in NBA playoffs
    (Tuesday, April 25, 2017 9:06:17 AM)

    As if this offseason wasn’t going poorly enough for Knicks president Phil Jackson, there appeared Jose Calderon at the post-game podium Monday night after keying the Hawks’ series-tying Game 4 victory over the Wizards in Atlanta. After Game 2, Brandon Jennings and Jason Smith were being hailed for similar heroics in a Wizards victory. When the…

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    58 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.26)”

    1. From the last thread’s short discussion re: Melo for Blake –IMHO talent for talent the Melo for Blake Griffin trade is a complete no-brainer for the Knicks.

      For the Clips – If Doc could convince Melo to play the 4, it’d be a redux of the 2012-13 Knicks, except CP3>>>>Felton and Jordan > Tyson. 2012-13 Melo >> 2017-18 Melo but his contract is only for a year or two, and maybe he’d be energized by getting away from the Knicks.

      I’m just not clear on how such a trade could go down with Blake being a FA this summer. S&T doesn’t work anymore, right? I can’t imagine Blake wants to go to the Knicks, and he’d prob have to (literally) sign off on that.

      Re: whether we would want to do it — I think we’d be a better team (by a lot). But not sure it’s the best thing to do long-term. KP+Blake would be a pretty interesting front court but we’d be skipping steps in the rebuild again.

    2. Its a real shame Melo doesn’t want to play in OKC. I am betting that they would be very interested in a deal after their playoff exit. Russell needs someone to take the pressure of his shoulders.

    3. Re: whether we would want to do it — I think we’d be a better team (by a lot). But not sure it’s the best thing to do long-term. KP+Blake would be a pretty interesting front court but we’d be skipping steps in the rebuild again.

      Celtics and Suns would love the opportunity to have Blake. We could get a high draft pick for him.

    4. Yes but it’s probably Melo and Willy for Blake. Do you still do it? (I don’t)

      Negotiate it down to O’Quinn and Melo. Boom.

    5. Its a real shame Melo doesn’t want to play in OKC. I am betting that they would be very interested in a deal after their playoff exit. Russell needs someone to take the pressure of his shoulders.

      Yeah.

    6. He can be, he has an ETO. With his injury history I would be surprised if someone would want Blake on a max contract, but I guess this is the NBA.

    7. Don’t think peak Deandre is better than peak Chandler

      You take a Melo for griffin swap immediately however because Blake is a better asset

    8. If Blake opts out of his deal we can’t trade for him, if he signs a big new contract he might not be a better asset than Carmelo. You do that deal if you have a 3rd team involved, but Blake on a 5 year 160 (or whatever the max is) million dollar contract is terrifying.

    9. Melo would be much better as a PF at this point. He could be a poor man’s Paul Milsap: wouldn’t have to guard as much on the perimeter, could step out and shoot threes, and is still a savvy rebounder where needed. In fact, the Knicks should do that if they can ever get a real point guard and some 3/D wings.

    10. In fact, the Knicks should do that if they can ever get a real point guard and some 3/D wings.

      Yep but Phil signed Noah, so there goes that

    11. Guess it really depends on where they envision Porzingis, center or PF. Hernangomez isn’t bad, but does he really project as your starting center? And honestly, Kyle’s been the best performer of all the post players. The Noah contract is really unbelievable. That alone is a super-solid argument for firing Jax tomorrow.

    12. it definitely makes sense for KP to be playing C because of his shotblocking ability… he had issues on the perimeter… wily is more of a pf and hope he drops a little weight to be able to guard the perimeter more effectively ..

    13. Don’t think Willy projects to be able to guard PFs at all. He and KP are both Cs. In an ideal scenario down the road, KP starts alongside a Draymond Green-Derrick Favors type. Favors would actually be a perfect fit.

    14. Willy’s entire offensive game opens up if he ever develops a consistent 3 point shot. Its done wonders to reinvigorate Marc’s and Robin’s games. I doubt he’ll ever be a top tier defender though. It can still happen but he’s not rangy or long enough to project a great deal of improvement there.

    15. I’ve been saying for awhile that KP and WH are not an ideal fit on the defensive end. On offense it doesn’t matter. KP can play outside now.

      Unless one of them can cover PFs (or at least most PFs), they can’t both start. That becomes a problem if WH keeps developing and clearly deserves a starting role. Trading WH for a better fit is a problem because WH and KP are very good friends. Out of the two, I think WH losing weight and getting quicker is the more promising option because I’d rather have KP get stronger and defend the paint than running around chasing PFs. That may be one of the reasons he gets tired on offense.

    16. Both KP and WH can play serious minutes together if we get the type of versatile forward who can guard either 4 or 3 position. Its what makes a dude like OG Anunoby look so enticing. That dude guarded positions 1-5 in college

    17. i never got why ppl thought wily was purely a C? there’s not really much differentiating a 4 and a 5 in today’s nba except that the 5 usually plays closer to the basket on defense and hence you want someone with shotblocking ability… wily’s not really like that…

    18. Both KP and WH can play serious minutes together if we get the type of versatile forward who can guard either 4 or 3 position. Its what makes a dude like OG Anunoby look so enticing. That dude guarded positions 1-5 in college

      I don’t understand.

      If KP is guarding the 5 and some other versatile guy is guarding the quick stretch 4, who is WH guarding?

      They can play together really well when the other team goes big/traditional. In fact they compliment each other perfectly on offense and in terms of rebounding. But that’s not the direction of the league. So WH will have to come off the bench against those smaller lineups.

    19. I’d like to see Porzingis play the 4, with a beastly defensive/rebounding/roll man C like a prime Tyson Chandler playing the 5. Willy H is a nice player, but he ain’t that.

    20. I’d love to be wrong, but Willy ever becoming a passable defender at the 4 feels like a pipe dream. I don’t see him ever being fast or mobile enough to chase around modern NBA power forwards. If we’re able to make the pairing work, I’m inclined to think it’ll involve Willy becoming a 30+ MPG sixth man and/or us acquiring very versatile defensive personnel at the 1-3 spots.

    21. If KP is guarding the 5 and some other versatile guy is guarding the quick stretch 4, who is WH guarding?

      A really versatile, active defender like Anunoby will defend whoever is the most athletic wing player at 4 and 3. KP and Willy can switch between 5 and 4.

    22. Man that Pat Beverley contract seemed crazy at the time and it’s crazier now. He was huge for them in round 1 affecting Westbrook’s marginal efficiency and tiring him out. The guy averaged twice as many ORB/36 as Melo this year. Defense, rebounding, ball handling, three point shooting, Beverleyness…all for $25/4.

    23. Also a ton of NBA journalist talent getting laid off today at espn including Jayson Stark, Ethan Straus and Calvin Watkins.

    24. Introduced this q yesterday but I’m on British time so most of you had gone to bed – reintroducing it here as I’m really curious what people think.

      Melo and 7 to the Celtics for 1. Bear in mind this can happen with NO other pieces needing to move if they wait to finalise it until 1 July and pick for one another at the draft.

      Would you say yes?

    25. interesting article on the ringer about how the Celtics went small to combat the already small raptors. Ever since the Warriors benched Bogut in the 2015 finals it seems every team in the NBA responds to a series deficit by going smaller. We’re fast approaching the point where centers will be for the regular season only.

      It also means Mike Woodson may go down in history as the last NBA coach to respond to a 2-1 series deficit by going big. Not that I’m still bitter about that.

    26. I’m not sure going small is a sustainable strategy. I think it depends on what kind of C you are opposing. For awhile, there was a dearth of big men that could dominate in the post. So you gained more by going small and fast than you lost on defense. But give me Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, etc.. and I’ll bust up that small ball plan fast with 40 points and 18 rebounds. I think Towns might become that kind of player. There are others also.

    27. I would trade Melo and the 7 for Crowder and the 1. I’m not sure the Celts would. I mean, they don’t need a PG, maybe they think 5 PGs will go in the top 7, and what the guys left are interchangeable. But, I think they can get more than that for it, if they move it. and, I’m not sure Melo fits their chemistry.

    28. P&T posted a link to a Chuck Mondiano piece analyzing teams’ win percentages without their main player on the court, and focused on our own Carmelo Anthony. As much as people boohoo Anthony Davis’s help on the court, they are 24-51 without him on the court in the past 3 years, whereas the Knicks are 9-51 without Melo on the court.

      61% – Blake Griffin’s Teammates (51-32)

      54% – Kevin Durant’s Teammates (46-39)

      44% – Paul George’s Teammates (37-47)

      32% – Anthony Davis Teammates (24-51)

      15% – Carmelo’s Teammates (9-51)

      This assumes all these teams are better with that star on the team, and we’ve been a hot mess over the past 3 years. But the gist is hey, look how bad Melo’s team is, and how good he is to lift his team from this kind of record! (“Melo improves Phil’s Knicks by 19 games. How many more should we expect?”)

      Now, this is a hot take, obviously, as a lot more is happening than Melo simply not being on the court, especially since he’s a black hole and doesn’t leave much structure for when he’s out, but just putting this out there.

    29. That said, yes, give Melo and our seventh away in any way for that #1 pick, definitely!

    30. The Knicks can’t play KP at the 5 unless Willy Hernangomez turns into Zach Randolph.

    31. I love Zach Randolph, that would be a dream.

      I didn’t understand exactly why you say that, but I imagine it has to do with Porzingis’ below-average rebounding.

    32. I’m not sure going small is a sustainable strategy. I think it depends on what kind of C you are opposing. For awhile, there was a dearth of big men that could dominate in the post. So you gained more by going small and fast than you lost on defense. But give me Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, etc.. and I’ll bust up that small ball plan fast with 40 points and 18 rebounds. I think Towns might become that kind of player. There are others also.

      With zone defenses now allowed, it’s harder to dominate in the post. Sure, if you have a generational talent then anything will work (see: Triangle). And Shaq was an absolutely amazing athlete, but even he might not be able to consistently stay on the floor against the Warriors Death Lineup. Defensively even the great Shaq wouldve had trouble keeping up with Draymond and guarding all the way out to the 3 point line. Hakeem maybe could have.

    33. Melo and 7 to the Celtics for 1. Bear in mind this can happen with NO other pieces needing to move if they wait to finalise it until 1 July and pick for one another at the draft.

      Would you say yes?

      YES

      (Danny Ainge, on the other hand, would take about two milliseconds to say “hell no”. )

    34. i think it’s more that there aren’t really good postup scorers in the league now… guys like monroe or jefferson leave the floor because they’re just bad on the defensive end…

      if you have a guy who has the ability to score down low as well as hold their own in the pnr while protecting the rim… you would see more postplay… guys like shaq would absolutely be able to play in today’s nba…

    35. I’m not sure going small is a sustainable strategy

      I don’t know. It seems like we’re not too far from seeing ten players on the court who are all approximately the same size and length. You’ll have your rare big man like Towns, Giannis, Gobert, hopefully KP. The occasional little guy if he’s sublime, like Curry or Isiah Thomas. And pretty much everyone else is going to be a wing.

      Milwaukee and Toronto are basically playing Lowry, Ibaka, Giannis and 7 wings.

    36. I’m with Beverely, 42 on 35 shots is NOT something I want.
      We’ve been through a few years of volume scoring. OKC’s ceiling is called Westbrook.
      Triple double machine. Awesome…
      But, call me crazy, no thanks.

    37. I’m with Beverely, 42 on 35 shots is NOT something I want.

      Stats lie. Everyone knows that the more shots a player takes, the more valuable he is. Doesn’t matter if he misses. His teammates would have been even more likely to miss.

    38. Shit, my bad… I thought I was posting on r/nyknicks.

    39. It’s pretty awesome that Beverley seriously dropped an efficiency burn on Westbrook. Who does that?

    40. I think the league will actually be trending towards *more* size, rather than less, in the coming years. It’s just that the size will be able shoot 3s, take you off the dribble, and play PG, not just manhandle you in the post.

      Players like KP, Towns, Giannis, and Jokic are the future of basketball imo. The basketball ideal is a team of players 6’6 and above, all of whom can dribble, pass, and shoot the 3. We’re approaching that more and more as the years go on and teams are valuing that more highly

    41. Players like KP, Towns, Giannis, and Jokic are the future of basketball imo. The basketball ideal is a team of players 6’6 and above, all of whom can dribble, pass, and shoot the 3. We’re approaching that more and more as the years go on and teams are valuing that more highly

      Exactly. And we’re already on a great start to build an ideal future roster with KP at the 5. I sincerely hope that’s eventual plan here. Knowing the Knicks, it’s probably not.

    42. Off topic, but I am really enjoying the Hawks v Wizards series. That Millsap and Morris beef is what playoff rivalries are all about. Great to see.

    43. Defensively even the great Shaq wouldve had trouble keeping up with Draymond and guarding all the way out to the 3 point line. Hakeem maybe could have.

      It’s unquestionably always a 2 way street.

      You need a dominant post presence to get the best of the smaller Cs and turn the matchup the other way. No doubt Draymond Green would give Shaq fits, but I’ll take Shaq being defended by Draymond in the paint vs. Draymond getting good looks from 3 all day long. Shaq would score 40 a night and they’d carry Draymond out on a stretcher.

      If some of the very talented young Cs in the league right now keep blossoming, I think the tide will turn back. A guy like Towns is going to a load and a half for a smaller C to guard.

    44. I think the league will actually be trending towards *more* size, rather than less, in the coming years. It’s just that the size will be able shoot 3s, take you off the dribble, and play PG, not just manhandle you in the post.

      I think that’s true, but to take away the advantage of the smaller quicker Cs, you have to abuse them inside and on the boards to get the best of the matchup.

      Teams were guarding KP with small players because they were quicker than him on offense. If he gave them space they’d shoot and if he came up on them they blow right by. He couldn’t respond by abusing them inside. So they would often get the best of the matchup. But if he starts abusing those players inside, then they have to change strategies.

    45. But hey, anyone can go 6-7! The real challenge is finding a player who can go 7-14.

    46. That Millsap and Morris beef is what playoff rivalries are all about. Great to see.

      In a league that almost intentionally brings out the inner asshole in many players, it is amazing how the Morris twins manage to take it to a whole other level with their assholedom.

    47. I wouldn’t trade Melo and number 7 for the number one pick. I’d want a player back too.

    48. Im not trolling. i think the league values Melo more than.this board does. The board also thinks his salary is outrageous, even though salaries are so inflated, he’s just making somewhat more than average salary now. I’m not asking for a superstar, just some useful player.

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