Knicks Morning News (2017.02.03)

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Hernangomez has earned spot in rotation
    (Friday, February 03, 2017 4:56:06 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Hernangomez has earned spot in rotation

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis to compete in All-Star Weekend Skills Challenge
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 8:22:32 PM)

    Knicks forward Kristaps Porzingis will participate in the Skills Challenge on All-Star Saturday in New Orleans Feb. 18

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Knicks plan of action moving forward
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 7:11:57 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo was benched during fourth quarter of Wednesday’s win
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 11:25:22 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony was on the bench during the entire fourth quarter Wednesday night as the Knicks game back to beat the Nets, 95-90, in Brooklyn.

  • [NYDN] Porzingis: Growth as Knicks star would be tougher without Carmelo
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 8:42:29 PM)

    There are a lot of unknown with Porzingis, despite the ‘Unicorn’ abilities, despite the projections to stardom.

  • [NYPost] ‘It felt like I was breathing again’: Knicks’ veteran steps up
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 6:33:18 PM)

    It is a virtual cliché, used by every coach who ever has held a whistle or clipboard, or any player pining for playing time: Be ready, because you never know when the call will come. So Sasha Vujacic, about as much a part of the Knicks’ rotation this season as Winston Churchill, stayed ready. And…

  • [NYPost] Jeff Van Gundy: Carmelo shouldn’t be starter in ideal landing spot
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 5:28:18 PM)

    Jeff Van Gundy said he can see Carmelo Anthony as a sixth man for the Clippers, but the former Knicks coach can’t see him replacing Kevin Love in Cleveland. The Clippers and Cavaliers are the two teams for which the Knicks believe Anthony would waive his no-trade clause to join. However, it will be intriguing…

  • [NYPost] Why Willy Hernangomez gets more dangerous every game
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 1:53:40 PM)

    If you taped Wednesday’s Knicks-Nets game, you would fast-forward through the actual play and watch the commercials. It was so bad that most players involved, years down the road, will tell their grandkids, “Gramps had a DNP that night” to disavow any involvement in the sludge. That’s most players, not all. For Knicks rookie Willy…

  • [NY Newsday] Willy Hernangomez, Kristaps Porzingis developing youthful chemistry
    (Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:32:32 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony was standing with a towel draped over his head, cheering. At one point, he flexed his biceps after rookie center Willy Hernangomez hit a tough fourth-quarter basket inside.

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    127 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.03)”

    1. I really don’t get what the Hornets are doing, trading Hawes and Hibbert for Miles Plumlee’s abomination of a contract.

      it makes sense so much for the Bucks, both Hawes and Hibbert have decent expiring contracts, and that might mean they are ready to make some more moves, maybe even the Reubio trade that has been rumored.

      the Hornets though get a backup big man who’s not even better than what they had and a large contract… he did have a decent season last year but he’s been playing terribly bad.

    2. I am just happy the Bucks got better for contention this season. They were sinking and looking like fellow Tank competitors.

    3. I really don’t get what the Hornets are doing, trading Hawes and Hibbert for Miles Plumlee’s abomination of a contract.

      I guess they are gonna be almost over the cap for the foreseeable future, so this way they get a backup center and get to use the mle this summer. But given how good it is for milwaukee, i dont understand how they couldnt get a draft pick in return.

    4. If you want to see a recent coaching analysis of why the Knicks defense is so bad take a look at this video. Reasons #1 and 2 are “miscommunication” and “dumb fouls” but #3 is a certain player that shalt not be named.

    5. yeah, but weren’t there like any other targets? it was a get out of jail free for one of the mistakes this Bucks management made, and realistically how is an MLE player going to help Charlotte be more competitive than they are now?

      seems like a move of opposites, a front office understanding the direction it’s roster is going and another clueless one trying to make moves to get a little better here and there with no real impact.

    6. I really don’t get what the Hornets are doing, trading Hawes and Hibbert for Miles Plumlee’s abomination of a contract.

      Remember when you were a kid, if all your friends had a certain toy you wanted it even though you didn’t *really* want it. You only wanted it because everybody else had one. That’s what a Plumlee means to a team.

    7. Phil should be greedy. Hey we’ve already got a Plumlee and a Hernangomez. We’ll pick up a Zeller in that mega 3-way deal that nets us the Nets 2017 pick.

    8. yeah, but weren’t there like any other targets?

      I dont think there are many young centers available only for expirings. I guess the plan is to ride walker, batum, kidd-gilchrist and zeller till their contracts end, and plumlee fits that timeline. Not that i agree with that plan.

    9. if Phil picked up that Zeller in that trade, man, a win win situation if I ever seen one.

      we should be trying to pick up the other Hernangomez too, tbh, having Pau and Marc lite on the team would be fine.

    10. Oh my God.
      I knew Melo struggled on D, but that video…I mean, he is both utterly clueless and disinterested.
      And this is supposed to be a Hall of Fame player, a team leader.
      I mean, dumb fouls, that’s fixable.
      But Melo has been playing pro basketball for a very long time…

    11. That video was painful to watch. It’s crazy. Despite the wealth of information out there, both eye test and statistically, Carmelo Anthony is still regarded as a great player by a good percentage of basketball watchers/Knick fans. I can understand blindly supporting a diminished player that had brought you wins in the past a la Dirk, Kobe, etc., but what’s with the affection for Melo? What have we accomplished since the trade?

    12. I would love to get Juan but there’s just no real asset Denver would want from us. He also plays PF although I think he could play SF and do fine. And how fun would that be? Billy, KP, and Juan on the same team would be a blast (they all look like they’re gonna be really good, too.)

      Perchance to dream.

    13. get the Hernangomez brothers together for the frontcourt, then draft the Ball brothers when they arrive for the backcourt, and KP reigns supreme as the leader of the ringling brothers crew.

    14. Because basketball isn’t subjective like movies or professional wrestling. Objective measures exist.

    15. I didn’t mean to start a fight linking the video so I hope no one gets offended that the analysis singled out Melo’s poor effort and decisions on defense. I just thought people here would appreciate the added information in understanding what we need to fix moving forward.

      So far as Melo’s actual defense is concerned, I agree that its pretty startling. You can see why GMs are hesitant or unwilling to part with prime assets to get him. He’s just going to have to continue to light it up on offense to make his case for why he merits a serious haul in return for his services.

    16. That video. Ooof there was some clown college defense and I had to stop before two minutes or risk laughing out loud at work. Melo, Noah and Rose all looking not so sharp.

    17. Because basketball isn’t subjective like movies or professional wrestling. Objective measures exist.

      I like some objectively non-productive basketball players. You can’t stop me.

    18. Aren’t you the guy that wants to be the Knick GM? Suddenly, I’m not feeling so confident in supporting that endeavor tbh.

    19. There’s a difference between liking someone and thinking that they’re good. I personally love watching JR Smith even when he’s absolutely awful because he’s a walking heat check and he’s ridiculous in every way.

      Doesn’t mean I’d sign him to any kind of deal, though.

    20. Let’s gather up all the Hernangomez brothers, the Ball brothers and the Holiday brothers. Throw in the 12 Plumlees just for fun.

    21. A shame Willy wasn’t 2 inches taller. But then again, I don’t think he’d have slipped to the 2nd round if he was 7’0 instead of 6’10.

    22. If Willy’s height mattered in any way he wouldn’t be such an efficient scorer and excellent rebounder.

    23. Whatever sizes helps Willy defend 4’s better while keeping the efficiency/rebounding is ideal.

    24. Billy has cut down bigly on his turnovers and fouls since the first two months of the season. I can’t think of any reason not to play him 20 minutes a night here on out, other than to showcase Kyle for a trade.

    25. Melo’s defense has been pretty bad but there’s no way he has been worse than Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings. They are terrible at denying penetration and fighting over screens. That is where the problem starts and we can’t look past that.

    26. If Willy’s height mattered in any way he wouldn’t be such an efficient scorer and excellent rebounder.

      I just think it limits his ceiling. I think its amazing how well he’s excelled, even in areas scouting projected him to struggle like defensive rebounding and shot blocking. I just wish he wasn’t so dependent upon craft.

    27. Melo’s defense has been pretty bad but there’s no way he has been worse than Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings. They are terrible at denying penetration and fighting over screens. That is where the problem starts and we can’t look past that.

      It’s all interconnected. We generally have at least two guys on the floor who can’t guard the perimeter at all. Jennings and Rose will be gone next year (hopefully) and we can start all over again.

    28. If we could field a defensively average backcourt we’d be a 5th seed at the very least. Not that that’s where we should aim, but still.

    29. Yeah, our defensive backcourt is the biggest problem holding this team back. Its why I am so into drafting a PG like Ntilikina or Ball who will be a strong defender back there. While guys like Fultz, Smith, Monk, Jackson, Fox, etc. are nice. I think defense should be our bigger concern over there.

    30. Jennings lost a lot of weight after the Achilles injury. Doesn’t really help when running through screens.

      I don’t know if its permanent but if he could put on some weight this summer I wouldn’t mind being him back. Or we can keep him as a tank commander next season, IDK.

    31. I think the problem in Jennings’ defense is completely based on attitude. He’s goodish bordering on good at full court defense but abysmal at half court defense, and while him being crushed by screens is a reason I think it’s a marginal one. He just looks like he doesn’t care about keeping the right stance or doing whatever to make his opponent’s life harder.

    32. Fox is probably the best defender of all the PGs in this draft actually. He actually owned Lonzo in the head to head matchup earlier this year.

      Him or Ntilikina. Ball is pretty good just given his measurements.

    33. Hey guys, stop talking about the lottery, we’re headed to the playoffs as soon as we get our hands on Reubio and PJ Theocker

    34. I just thought now was a good time to mention that Jonathan Isaac is the best defender in this draft already.

    35. I just thought now was a good time to mention that Jonathan Isaac is the best defender in this draft already.

      This is true, especially now that Anunoby is out.

    36. I think we’ve been linked to Rubio tentatively, but no super serious talks

    37. De’Aaron Fox is an active and willing defender, and has the great lateral movement and quick hands that you want from a good defensive guard. He also just has the mindset of a lockdown guard– he is looking to make his opponents’ life a major hassle when he is on the floor.

      He just can’t shoot to save his life. He looks like an Elfrid Payton type in the NBA to me.

    38. One thing to be said about De’Aaron Fox and why he was one of my favorite players very early on is the kid is a leader. He’s very confident and well spoken, and to be successful in the New York market you need both. He can’t shoot but neither can Russell Westbrook.

    39. I think we’ve been linked to Rubio tentatively, but no super serious talks

      Adding Rubio would turn us into a .500 or better club for the rest of the season, but I don’t see how we get him. Maybe would could swap Lee for Rubio and make Holiday the starting 2. I don’t think Thibs wants Rose or Noah.

    40. I just think it limits his ceiling. I think its amazing how well he’s excelled, even in areas scouting projected him to struggle like defensive rebounding and shot blocking. I just wish he wasn’t so dependent upon craft.

      This is why advanced stats exist – all that matters is production, not how you got that production. Maybe it matters if a player is aging and you are wondering how much to pay in the next contract, but for young players, the numbers is the numbers.

      I have noticed that he plays with his arms over his head a lot, which may have something to do with his efficiency – he’s always in position to do something good.

    41. Fox is actually pretty efficient from 2 point land and good enough at the FT line (75%)

      He just can’t shoot the 3 to save his life. He’s a far better rebounder assister and steal man than Westbrook was in college. He’s solid-to-great in all the categories you want a PG to be good in besides 3 point shooting. I think a rich man’s Elfrid Payton is a good comp. If he ever fixes his shot he’ll be an absolute terror.

      He’s really good. Not Fultz or Ball good, but I think he and Ntilikina are in the 2nd tier of quality players in this draft.

    42. Chad Ford is tweeting that there are 7 college players that are being mentioned as possible number one overall selections: Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Monk, Smith, Tatum & Giles

      He doesn’t mention Fox, Nitilikina, Isaac, Markkanen, or Patton on this list. We’re going to get a terrific player.

    43. What is the obsession with Tatum? His stats aren’t very eye popping and his athleticism isn’t even all thy great. He looks like a worse shooting and less athletic miles bridges yet he is talked about as a potential #1.

      Also, Harry Giles? Still up there? I’m pulling for Fox, Isaac, or Ntilikina. Unless we truly tank in which case I’d take Ball or Fultz.

    44. He does also say that Isaac and Markkanen are moving up.
      Should we start a disincentive campaign on Isaac saying that he’s too skinny and can’t stand up to the banging in the pros? We could flood the web with it.

    45. Anyone look at KP’s post game and wish he took some lessons from Kevin McHale on how to execute that patented up and under post move? Like McHale, KP’s standing reach is high he doesn’t have to leave his feet to make defenders jump high to block his shot. That’s the kind of a move someone with KP’s body type could use to great effect.

    46. I generally would scoff at the idea of getting Elfrid Payton 2.0 in the draft, but Elfrid has been developing quite well and looking like a pretty strong player.

      he still can’t shoot, but he’s doing everything else.

    47. @60

      Methinks Riley will be all over him like white on rice. There is no way that Miami Heat scouts aren’t aware of how good that kid is playing and living in Florida all of his life. Another reason why we them to continue winning while we continue to tank.

    48. He’s a far better rebounder assister and steal man than Westbrook was in college

      His rebound/steal/block numbers are close to Westbrooks (7.9 – 7.0), and they’re not particularly good. It’s preposterous that a PG who averaged 5 rebounds per 40 in college to average almost 12 per 40 in the NBA.

    49. Elfrid Payton has not developed all that well. His WS/48 for his three NBA seasons are:

      .044
      .056
      .076

      That’s still leaving way too much to be desired.

    50. It’s preposterous that a PG who averaged 5 rebounds per 40 in college to average almost 12 per 40 in the NBA.

      If there was a candidate list for some kind of HGH or PED abuse among NBA players I would put Westbrook around the top of the list with Lebron and Dwight. His insanely violent style of play, the minutes, and boundless energy he shows really isn’t normal for a guard to show in the NBA.

    51. fox is not elfrid payton… payton had issues in college scoring period… his college 2p fg% was pretty subpar on pretty crappy volume on a d2 squad… his ft% wasn’t that great either… what saves him was that he was excellent everywhere else and he was incredibly young… he’s a poor man’s rubio….

      fox is more like conley…. superfast up and down the floor… questionable shot but had no issues scoring inside at the college level…. that’s arguably more important since an outside shot can always develop like conley’s had…

      westbrook’s college numbers were a bit deflated … ucla had a great run of outstanding nba prospects who all had subpar college numbers… holiday, ariza, collison, barnes etc… and it’s sort of continued with lavine for some odd reason… in any case.. the numbers are a bit misleading with him so i wouldn’t draw comparisons…

    52. @65

      he had a really bad start to this season but has been playing pretty well lately… he was benched for Augustin but regained his starting spot (I know, clash of the titans right, but still).

      he’s a horrendous shooter still, and ws48 takes that a lot in consideration… and the defense component of ws48 only takes into consideration really blocked shots and steals, which aren’t his forte as a defender… besides, he’s been with the Magic, a sorry ass franchise notorious for not developing players at all.

      all that said, yes, he has developed little for a high lottery pick, but I think he’s one of those rare cases where his presence goes somewhat beyond the box score (Rubio is another one I can think about)

    53. His rebound/steal/block numbers are close to Westbrooks (7.9 – 7.0), and they’re not particularly good. It’s preposterous that a PG who averaged 5 rebounds per 40 in college to average almost 12 per 40 in the NBA.

      Where are you get those numbers? On Sports Reference Fox averages 6 TRB, 7.8 AST, 2.2 steals, and 21.7 points per 40

      Westbrook in his sophomore year averaged 4.6 TRB, 5.1 AST, 1.9 steals, and 15.1 pts.

      I don’t mean to imply that Fox will be Westbrook and average triple doubles, but he projects to be pretty good despite his inability to shoot and his stats are pretty universally strong.

      Fox will be better than Payton and I’d put good money on him being better than Monk.

    54. westbrook’s rebounding numbers are inflated.. at least this year…. okc’s strategy is to box out/face guard all the bigs and let their guards grab boards… same effect as avery bradley’s reb rate…

    55. With the Cleveland Cavaliers heading to New York for a primetime showdown against Carmelo Anthony and the Knicks Saturday night, LeBron James knew the question was coming.

      “Have you had conversations with Carmelo about his name being in trade rumors,” a reporter asked.

      James didn’t answer, saying even if he has he wouldn’t disclose it. Instead, he offered a brief comment about Anthony’s tough situation.

      “I just want the best for my friend, no matter what it is,” James said Friday, prior to the Cavaliers leaving for New York. “If he’s there in New York or if he’s not I just want the best for him. I want him to be happy. That’s all that matters. The game comes very easy to you when you’re happy about where you’re at so if he’s happy in New York or he wants to be elsewhere, not sure.”

    56. You think LeBron might be a little motivated tomorrow night? Madison Square Garden, on national television, doesn’t care for Phil.

      I would expect 40, 15 and 12 at a minimum.

    57. Melo needs to put on a performance though. He has to light it up to impress the Cavaliers GM, Lebron James.

    58. I wonder what the over is on Melo’s attempts?
      I wonder what the under on charges Melo takes from Lebron?
      I wonder what the over is on how many 3s the Knicks give up?

    59. I wonder how long it is until LeBron buys the Cleveland Cavaliers. 15, maybe 20 years?

    60. I wonder what the over is on Melo’s attempts?

      20. It could be higher but there’s a real opportunity that the game will be a rout by the 4th and Melo will be sitting it out by then.

      I wonder what the under on charges Melo takes from Lebron?

      1. He’ll play some defense, but not much.

      I wonder what the over is on how many 3s the Knicks give up?

      15. Cleveland averages 12.8 per game and we’re really bad.

    61. These Mudiay trade rumors tell me the Nuggets will be in the hunt for a point guard in the lottery. We have to lose now.

    62. I’m on mobile so I can’t confirm but we are actually decent at defending the 3 ball. Where our defense hurts us is fouls and defensive rebounding.

    63. From cleveland.com:

      The Cavs would trade Kevin Love this season if the right situation presented itself.

      So a deal for Love would have to make the Cavs better. Who they could acquire for Love and his huge contract that would actually improve the team is a small group. In fact, the Cavs would be more likely to seek multiple, gifted role players in return for Love who could play behind LeBron James and Kyrie Irving, instead of alongside them.

      Does this signal a willingness to trade with Boston? They have plenty of talented young pieces. Or do they want to deal with the Lakers?

    64. westbrook’s rebounding numbers are inflated.. at least this year…. okc’s strategy is to box out/face guard all the bigs and let their guards grab boards… same effect as avery bradley’s reb rate…

      Great analysis. One question, though: Why is Westbrook the only guard with improved rebounding numbers, then? Gotta go to #7 on the team to find the next guard/wing in DRB/36. Then Oladipo, Grant, Singler, Payne and the rest. Basically, no one in the backcourt is good at rebounding except him.

      If that’s their strategy, Westbrook seems to be the only beneficiary of it. Roberson’s TRB% is exactly the same as it was 2015-16 and has gone down considerably from his first two seasons. Oladipo’s DRB% and TRB% have declined year over year. Jerami Grant has a career-low in TRB%.

      Wanna try that again with evidence?

    65. a big chunk of that is porzingis… he’s out of position most of the time but that will come with time… and ever since the achilles thing he had he’s been fouling at insanely high rates….

      we do have an athleticism problem also…

    66. Warriors signed PG Briante Weber to a 10 day after waiving Varejao. He’s the guy I wanted to sign here.

    67. Guy gives a good, thourough analysis of how Westbrook’s rebounding is inflated and all the comments are “yeah I do that in NBA 2k, too!”. Reddit…

    68. Jokic is fucking insane. I just can’t believe that dude was chosen in the 2nd round.

    69. Washington has a much better record than I thought and Grunwald needs to win now. This might be a good spot for Melo, but I couldn’t figure out a workable deal with the trade machine. Any thoughts?

    70. Detroit beat Minnesota. Good news is that with a 23-27 record the Pistons aren’t tied with us in wins anymore.

    71. Melo’s not going to Washington. Even the Clippers can offer us more down the line.

    72. Does Washington have worse picks to offer? Otherwise why are the Clippers better as a Knick trade partner?

    73. I think Washington doesn’t have a 2021 and/or 2023 pick to offer that projects to be as low as the Clippers.

    74. I really can’t imagine how shitty it must be to be a Nets fan. Every time you lose, you’re helping another team increase it’s chances of getting the #1 pick.

    75. The Wizards have all their own future first round picks. Do you really think their picks are going to be worse than the Clippers (i.e. they will have a better record than the Clippers at the end of the season)?

    76. Jokic is better than KP and KAT and will likely continue to be. He’s already a top 10 player in the NBA.

      How crazy is that?

    77. @1o1

      Funny thing is that if you go to their blog you will see them saying the same thing about us. An article about how prospective FAs see their franchise as the better one to join was just recently posted on Nets Daily.

    78. @103

      Insane. But even that’s underrating him. He could be the best and most complete bigman since Olajuwon.

    79. Jokic’s is only 4 assists away from another triple double and its halftime for crying out loud.

      This guy is insane.

    80. Jokic will never, ever be the player on defense that Hakeem was. He’s a ridiculous offensive talent, though. Fuck Boogie, Jokic is the best offensive center in the game.

    81. The Wizards bench is pretty trash-I don’t know if they have any assets, but maybe they’d want someone like Lee or O’Quinn

    82. Jokics big flaw is his rim protection. He’s an average defender in most respects, but is the worst in the league at protecting the rim.

      But who cares? If Melo can get a mega max with NTC, Jokic sure as shit deserves one.

    83. So you’re saying you don’t think we can get him in a trade anymore?

      Joking. When they were sitting him we were all in disbelief, hoping for a trade. Oh well.

    84. Jokic is just so complete a player I will overlook whatever defensive shortcomings he may have as a young player. His defensive metrics are all a plus, BTW.

    85. Fuck Boogie, Jokic is the best offensive center in the game.

      Boogie isn’t even better than Gasol this year.

    86. washington is a tough fit for melo because we’d have to take back mahinmi to even start a conversation… which is basically another noah deal… i would take their 2017 and 2019 firsts…

    87. “But even that’s underrating him. He could be the best and most complete bigman since Olajuwon.”

      wut?

    88. The Washington picks are sooner, but the Clippers long term picks are likely to be better, assuming no protection

    89. wut?

      Nikola Jocic has a WS/48 of .234 at the age of 21. Not even Tim Duncan can say that.

    90. Yogi Ferrell just shredded the Trailblazer defense for 32 points. LOL @ the Nets.

    91. Fucking Kings suck so bad. I was counting on them to win tonight against the Suns.

    92. “But even that’s underrating him. He could be the best and most complete bigman since Olajuwon.”
      wut?

      That guy Shaq was pretty good too. But maybe it’s just me.

    93. That guy Shaq was pretty good too. But maybe it’s just me.

      Meh, he was just big and got away with offensive fouling as his go to low post move. I am talking about skilled big men.

    94. I really can’t imagine how shitty it must be to be a Nets fan. Every time you lose, you’re helping another team increase it’s chances of getting the #1 pick.

      Kind of like the 2006-2007 Knicks, who sent the swap rights to their pick (then a novel concept) to the Chicago Bulls as part of the trade that landed them the terrible basketball player Eddy Curry. The Bulls used these swap rights to select Joakim Noah, who would go on to have an excellent career. Noah would then have it all come full circle by signing a heinous multi-year contract with the Knicks once he was washed up and could only hobble around the court for 20 minutes per game.

      Well done all around, New York Knicks!

    95. I don’t think Noah is awful, but his contract is and it made no sense to sign him given that we had young bigs to develop.

    96. @95 Derrick and @103 Silky. And to think Jokic was Phil”s first mistake. He drafted a guard with “pep” named Clean thong and passed on Jokic. Proving that unless you have a high pick, international bigs may be the way to go. (Btw, spell check corrected Cleanthony but I left it.)

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