Knicks Morning News (2017.02.01)

  • [NYTimes] Fed Up, LeBron James Fires Back at Charles Barkley
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:36:44 PM)

    After the latest criticisms from Barkley on TNT, the Cavaliers All-Star defended his legacy and called Barkley “a hater.”

  • [NYTimes] Wizards 117, Knicks 101: Wizards Clamp Down, Ending Tough Month for Knicks
    (Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:54:06 AM)

    Bradley Beal had 28 points for Washington, which won for the 11th time in 13 games to move into a tie for first in the Southeast Division.

  • [NYTimes] Why Not EuroKnicks? For Struggling Team, Hope From Abroad
    (Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:23:28 AM)

    The Knicks were slower than most in seeking international talent, but the arrival of Mindaugas Kuzminskas and others has offered a chance at a new identity.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks stumble in loss against Wizards, 117-101
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:18:09 PM)

    The Knicks lost to the Washington Wizards on Tuesday night, 117-101.

  • [SNY Knicks] Kristaps Porzingis will not play tonight against Wizards
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:04:20 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis will not play tonight against Wizards

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo says he hasn’t discussed potential trade destinations with Knicks
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:30:11 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony told reporters Tuesday that he has not told the Knicks which teams he would be willing to accept a trade to.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek won’t pay much mind to Fisher’s comments about him
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 1:30:05 PM)

    Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek isn’t paying much attention to comments former head coach Derek Fisher made about Hornacek’s job performance.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose out Tuesday due to sprained ankle
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:30:14 AM)

    Knicks guard Derrick Rose will miss Tuesday’s game against the Wizards due to a sprained left ankle and will likely miss Wednesday’s game as well, head coach Jeff Hornacek told reporters.

  • [SNY Knicks] Loud Mouths: Is Carmelo Anthony underappreciated?
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:50:08 AM)

    JR joins Jon Hein to debate if Carmelo Anthony has been underappreciated by Knicks fans this season.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks finish miserable January with loss to Wizards
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:13:00 PM)

    WASHINGTON — The Knicks probably are relieved that January is over, but more performances like Tuesday night and their season may not be too far behind.

  • [NY Newsday] All options are open, says Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:42:45 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony said all options are open regarding his future but maintains that staying with the Knicks is right on top. One of the main reasons is because he doesn’t want to uproot his family.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Jeff Hornacek doesn’t appreciate Derek Fisher’s comments about his job performance
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 3:27:00 PM)

    Jeff Hornacek didn’t appreciate Derek Fisher evaluating his job performance and said he would never do that to another coach.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo: Impact on family will factor into trade decision
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:32:33 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony revealed on Tuesday that any decision about his future in New York will come down to family first.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony addresses tweet after Knicks fall to Wizards
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:21:24 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony spent the final four minutes seated along the baseline watching another game and perhaps another season slipping away.

  • [NYDN] Knicks-Nets rivalry peaked six years ago over Carmelo Anthony
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:29:14 PM)

    We’ve been through this before with Carmelo Anthony, under similar circumstances and with common themes.

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis out vs. Wizards with illness
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 1:52:30 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis was ruled out of Tuesday’s game against the Wizards “due to an illness,” according to the Knicks.

  • [NYDN] Hornacek rejects Derek Fisher’s analysis of his job performance
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:16:40 AM)

    Jeff Hornacek didn’t appreciate Derek Fisher analyzing his job performance this week.

  • [NYDN] Derek Fisher robbed of five NBA championship rings: report
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:05:40 AM)

    Derek Fisher can’t catch a break.

  • [ESPN] Wednesday’s Knicks News: Courtney Lee slowly improving
    (Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:46:26 AM)

    Wednesday’s Knicks News: Courtney Lee slowly improving

  • [ESPN] Why Carmelo Anthony can feel why LeBron James lashed out
    (Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:45:11 AM)

    Why Carmelo Anthony can feel why LeBron James lashed out

  • [ESPN] $300K worth of jewelry stolen from D. Fisher
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 2:33:34 PM)

    $300K worth of jewelry stolen from D. Fisher

  • [NYPost] Courtney Lee’s improving but not to a $50 million player level
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:21:23 PM)

    WASHINGTON — With Derrick Rose nursing an ankle injury and Kristaps Porzingis out with a stomach virus, this was the kind of game in which Courtney Lee needed to be more than a complimentary piece. He needed to be the guy in whom the Knicks have invested $50 million; the kind of player who can…

  • [NYPost] ‘Goodbye January’: Jackson’s Knicks end ugly month with dud
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 4:31:02 PM)

    WASHINGTON — The Knicks didn’t need four overtimes to lose this time. Two-and-half quarters were plenty enough as the Wizards built a 19-point lead on the way to outclassing the Knicks, 117-101, to end a pitiful January for Phil Jackson’s team. The Knicks finished the month at 5-12. When the new year began, coach Jeff…

  • [NYPost] Jeff Hornacek rips Derek Fisher right back: He’s angling for a job
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:59:40 AM)

    WASHINGTON — Jeff Hornacek said he believes Derek Fisher is campaigning for another job and referred to the former Knicks coach dismissively as “an analyst’’ in response to his recent digs. Fisher works Lakers telecasts as a studio analyst. Fisher recently told Bleacher Report his 2015-16 Knicks were further along than Hornacek’s current team —…

  • [NYPost] Family could stop Carmelo Anthony from accepting trade
    (Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:06:31 AM)

    WASHINGTON — Carmelo Anthony said he will be “torn” on whether to waive his no-trade clause if a deal materializes with the Clippers or Celtics, admitting his wife’s and 9-year-old son’s feelings come heavily into play. However, Anthony reiterated if Knicks president Phil Jackson truly wants to rebuild, he has to consider it before the…

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    137 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.01)”

    1. We’re so close to a great lotto pick I can taste it. Only 11th right now but were just 1.5 games away from 6th and 2 games away from 4th. Could you imagine how better off we’d be if we had actually tried to build for the future instead of doing it accidentally?

    2. Didn’t watch the game but I read Willy looked fine guarding the opposing 4. Is this true? That would be great news for KP at the 5 and Willy at the 4 in the future although it would be strange to have a guy who rebounds like him defending too far out. On offense, we already know he could provide spacing when KP refines his sky hook. And how about his 4 dimes/1 turnover? Heck, maybe he should play the 1 position for the rest of the season, couldn’t be worse. Phil better not trade him and that includes trading up in the draft. Maybe Riley didn’t accept that #1 Orlando pick for Dragic offer because he’s been waiting on Phil. Shame on some of you for jumping off the SS Ntilikina for Lonzo Bust. And now a moment of silence for those of us who perished in 2015 aboard the SS Okafor and SS Russell.

    3. His d at the 4 was better than expected. He moved well in space and generally would keep up with opposing wings and even guards off switches (he forced wall into a few mid range shots, actually.) He wasn’t lockdown or anything but he acquitted himself.

      I believe that just with a little bit of luck and a BK nets pick we could manage Lonzo and Isaac in the same draft. I could then die a happy knicks fan

    4. a starting lineup of Ball / Lee / Isaac / Porzingis / Hernangomez would make the Knicks the most exciting young team in the league to watch.

      well, unless Ben Simmons is the real deal, but I’d gladly accept second place in that category

    5. I believe that just with a little bit of luck and a BK nets pick we could manage Lonzo and Isaac in the same draft. I could then die a happy knicks fan

      I hope so but I wouldn’t include Willy in a trade up for either of those players. There’s too much bust potential after the # 1 pick to give up a young player like Willy who’s played well when given minutes. His WS/48 is again greater than .100 (just below KP) and would be much higher if/when his turnover rate drops to a normal range. I just hope we finish high enough to grab one of the 1 guards or, failing that, are able to trade for Rubio.

    6. I hope so but I wouldn’t include Willy in a trade up for either of those players. There’s too much bust potential after the # 1 pick to give up a young player like Willy who’s played well when given minutes. His WS/48 is again greater than .100 (just below KP) and would be much higher if/when his turnover rate drops to a normal range.

      I don’t think I’d trade up with Willy either. If we were, say, #20 and we could move up to 3-5, I’d consider it (but probably wouldn’t do it.) But moving up from #9 to #5 or #6 to #3 just isn’t worth it.

      I think Lonzo might be the player with one of the higher floors in the draft though–there’s always a place for someone that can pass like he does while possessing Curry-esque range on his shot (even if he has to take less contested 3s and more open ones due to his unique release when he hits the NBA.)

    7. a starting lineup of Ball / Lee / Isaac / Porzingis / Hernangomez would make the Knicks the most exciting young team in the league to watch.

      well, unless Ben Simmons is the real deal, but I’d gladly accept second place in that category

      I’d say they’d be more fun than Philly unless Simmons is the 2nd coming of Lebron and they draft Malik Monk and he ends up doing the same things in the NBA that he does in college (i.e. get hot and score mind-boggling amounts)

    8. I didn’t get too caught up in drafting Lonzo Ball because I generally believed we’d be a top 10 pick instead of a top 3 pick and because of that really funky jump shot. But our freefall relative to the rest of the league and a better understanding of the metrics behind his shooting percentages has me fixated on getting him. The dude plays the game at a different tempo than anyone in the college game and even most NBA players. He forces his UCLA teammates to catch up to his speed on both sides of the court. And not only does he play fast on the open court, he knows how to slow things down to allow the play to catch up to where the ball should be going in the half court. For this reason, I believe his floor generalship is Lebron/Paul level where he can positively affect a game by just being on the court. We have to get Ball because he’s going to be the next really elite PG in the league after Curry.

    9. I’ll be seeing Isaac up close and personal tonight. If the Knicks can lose this one in Brooklyn I’ll start to believe I’m watching a future Knick.

    10. But this game tonight is very big challenge for our lottery dream. The Nets are like the Golden State Warriors of The Tank. They are an almost unstoppable obstacle to lose against. Many of the league’s worse teams have won against them and they don’t look to be getting any better any time soon. Hopefully, because playing us is like their Finals championship, they may come strong. I just hope that our team wilts in the end.

    11. I’m worried about the Lakers/Clippers/Nuggets games. I had the Clips a sure loss but now NYK could win 3 in a row there and the last thing we need is this team gaining confidence and momentum before the trade deadline.

    12. @11

      I know, this is a real rough stretch for our Tank. Clippers are so bad without Paul and you know Melo is going to torch them the fuck up to make an impression on Doc like, “Why haven’t you traded for me yet, bitches?” I think the Nuggets can beat us and Lakers just beat them so maybe there is some gaining confidence there.

    13. I’m worried since all 3 are home games. I’ll be rooting hard for Melo in the Clipper game no matter what color jersey he’s wearing that day.

    14. I’d be happy if we went 1-2 in those three games.

      I figure we need to beat the Clippers with Melo having a dominant game so they can slip in the standings even further, thus making them both more desperate and covetous for our star. But we should lose against the Lakers and Nuggets. Both teams are very big rivals in our tank.

    15. I’m ok with winning games (not too many though) but only if it comes with our youngsters playing 20+ minutes. And I’d like to see some N’Dour too. Good Melo is ok if he puts away the game in the first half. Otherwise it’s too risky for him to injure himself

    16. So 26 points, 5 rebounds and goose eggs every where else in 32 minutes is “Good Melo”? If you’re nodding your head yes, maybe take a look at Markieff Morris’ line last night

    17. Hey, hey. I’m talking “Good trade Melo”. 26 points is still good for a guy like Doc Rivers for sure.

    18. So 26 points, 5 rebounds and goose eggs every where else in 32 minutes is “Good Melo”? If you’re nodding your head yes, maybe take a look at Markieff Morris’ line last night

      When you shoot very efficiently, yeah it’s a good game. Not a *great* game, but certainly a good one.

    19. So 26 points, 5 rebounds and goose eggs every where else in 32 minutes is “Good Melo”? If you’re nodding your head yes, maybe take a look at Markieff Morris’ line last night

      4 more rebounds and 2 more assists is that big of a difference?

    20. So is Derrick a tank commander or not? 1-6 without him this season.

      Is it the fact that Ron is our backup instead of Brandon?

    21. Rose is bad but it’s not like he doesn’t do good things at times. He’s also missed games against a lot of good teams.

    22. You guys know this team is still on pace to win 34 games, right? Even if they play .300 the rest of the way they would be at 31-32 wins. That’s not a top 5 pick.

    23. You guys know this team is still on pace to win 34 games, right? Even if they play .300 the rest of the way they would be at 31-32 wins. That’s not a top 5 pick.

      The #4 spot is within 2 games of us and we’re in free fall. It’s not guaranteed that we get there, but it’s certainly foreseeable, especially if we fire sale. I believe in our ability to stay grossly incompetent.

    24. My point is people here assume Melo has all this trade value, yet even a “good ” game from his isn’t as good as Markieff Morris’ game last night. What’s markieff morris’ trade value? The Brooklyn pick? Surely he could net that Brooklyn pick

    25. You guys know this team is still on pace to win 34 games, right? Even if they play .300 the rest of the way they would be at 31-32 wins. That’s not a top 5 pick.

      A lot of that is fueled by the “hot” start that had people convinced Pythagorean wins were fake news.

      Anyway, a loss tonight would be awesome. 3 of our next 4 games after this are frighteningly winnable so we need to accumulate all the Ls we can. 4-4 going into the deadline wouldn’t be a total disaster but 2-6 instead could be the difference between Miles Bridges and Jonathan Isaac.

    26. @5

      I wouldn’t get carried away on Willy’s positional versatility. He really can’t play the 4 full-time. 79% of his shots this year have come within 10 feet, and 63% have come at the rim. He has to play near the paint on offense like a traditional center.

      Meanwhile I would not want him chasing around stretch 4s on defense: Love, Patterson, Millsap, Crowder. The best teams in the East all have stretch 4s.

      He’s really a 5, which means Zingis would have to play the 4. That’s not ideal. So if we had an opportunity to move him for something good, you have to consider it.

    27. @ 30 – No way bro! Willy and Zinger are the front court of our future and they are super tight. You want that kind of connection between players on the court. They’ll have each other’s backs bc they both played together in Europe and came over here together. There’s all ready built in chemistry between them.

      Zinger will get stronger and be better at the 5 in a few years. Willy will get better too and will be able to play the 4 some. It’ll work out. You don’t break up the Euro boys!

    28. My point is people here assume Melo has all this trade value, yet even a “good ” game from his isn’t as good as Markieff Morris’ game last night. What’s markieff morris’ trade value? The Brooklyn pick? Surely he could net that Brooklyn pick

      People around this blog know I’m surely no Melo fanboy, but you can’t be really serious in comparing Markieff Morris and Melo. If we’re going by single individual performances, do you know that KP never scored more than 35 and Acie Earl (who? you might say) once scored 40? Do you know that Terrence Ross scored 50 in a game while Kawhi Leonard never scored more than 42? Can you believe that the points scored in a single game record holders for Minnesota are not KG or Love but Corey Brewer and Mike James? And I know your intent was exactly to berate points, but what I’m trying to say is that you can’t base your line of reasoning on a single game no matter what.

      Keef, for all of his talent (which usually gets wasted given that he’s a friggin headcase), will never command the attention Melo gets. That said, as of now, I’d be happier having around Keef at his contract than Melo. But Melo has brand value, while Keef has not.

    29. At worst Willy plays the backup 5, but yeah, if he gets really good and there’s a logjam, you probably move him. I want to hold on to him as long as possible, though.

      Or, better yet, teach him to midrange. He could play like Z-Bo or P Gasol in the PF spot.

    30. Duuuude it’s absolutely insane to talk about Hernangomez as a trade chip. To start, I can’t imagine another team being willing to give up genuinely equal value for a guy who most of them could’ve picked two years ago. Beyond that, he will have one of the best contracts in the entire league as soon as he starts getting 25 minutes a night.

      It’s also a bit soon to say definitively that Porzingis will become a 5. Does he even outweigh Melo?

    31. Willy and KP could be a real problem on offense in 5 years. Make the other team adjust to us rather than the other way around.

    32. Do not give up Willie! He’s Zinger’s boy! They are our future front court! Don’t punish Willie bc we were too stupid to sign Noah.

      Noah can ride the bench and be dead weight. Just let that mistake play itself out. I believe next year with the new CBA the roster is going to be expanded, right? So no need to trade away one of our promising bigs.

      Unless its for that Nets pick. :)

    33. My point is people here assume Melo has all this trade value, yet even a “good ” game from his isn’t as good as Markieff Morris’ game last night. What’s markieff morris’ trade value? The Brooklyn pick? Surely he could net that Brooklyn pick

      For one thing, Markieff Morris isn’t on the market as the Wizards are in contention. Melo is because we suck. For another, if every player were as valuable as their best game we should have traded Derrick Rose for Kevin Love after the Celtics game we won on the road.

    34. Let me elaborate before people assume I’m trolling.

      All I’m saying is – and I definitely did not get the message across well – is that people need to put in perspective how good Melo is. Last night people were celebrating “Good Melo”, which is completely fine. But to say he was good last night and in the same breath say we could net the Brooklyn pick because he’s been playing well lately need to understand that he isn’t playing as well as you think. Which is why I mentioned Kieff.

      Further, let’s take a look closely at Melo’s career. Here’s a comparison between Melo’s best year and the end of the bench all star Gordon Hayward this year.

      Melo – TS % .560 / WS48 .184 / BPM 2.4 / WP48 .020
      Hayward – TS% .597 / WS48 .203/ BPM 4.2/ WP48 .225

      I’m sick of all this constant chatter about Melo. At his best, he was a good player, sure, but he wasn’t that good. The other day some poster mentioned him being overrated in comparison to CP3, Wade, James, but there’s your comparison between him and Hayward.

    35. My point is people here assume Melo has all this trade value, yet even a “good ” game from his isn’t as good as Markieff Morris’ game last night. What’s markieff morris’ trade value? The Brooklyn pick? Surely he could net that Brooklyn pick

      I understand what you’re saying, but that’s not how it works.

    36. Gordon Hayward is a max player. You acting like he’s some bum. We get your point Melo isn’t good. Hayward is in year 7….he’s only been above avg the last 3 years and this year by far is his best year. Thanks for you knowledge

    37. Offensively, Willy can play the 5 and KP can be the 4. The question is one of defense. Does Willy show the agility, quickness, and awareness to play in space against stretch big men? If he does, then we have a bonified starter who will pair up nicely with KP on both sides of the court. I think some of the fact that Willy played the 4 last night was a test run to see if he can handle the assignment. The fact that Markieff Morris had such a terrific shooting night doesn’t make it seem like Willy did all that well there, but I need to look at the full video.

    38. I’m sick of all this constant chatter about Melo. At his best, he was a good player, sure, but he wasn’t that good. The other day some poster mentioned him being overrated in comparison to CP3, Wade, James, but there’s your comparison between him and Hayward.

      Gordon Hayward is miles better than Melo. But that’s not the point. Also, nobody’s saying that Melo alone nets that Nets pick (see what I did?). But if you can get Love from the Cavs, there’s a chance that Boston would like to trade that pick for Love.

      My idea: Boston will dangle that pick around, but honestly if I’m Sacramento I’d try to get that pick, Bradley, Brown and Smart for Cousins. You might never know.

    39. Gordon Hayward is miles better than Melo.

      Don’t get carried away. It’s close….and melo is probably still better

    40. Hey. I’m ok with everything but not with some words. I agree with DRed. It’s time for Theo to go. Let’s see if Fear the sword picks him off waivers, maybe he’s the playmaker Bron needed.

    41. @50 There are MANY players miles better than Melo. On an objective, stats-based site, I thought we’d unanimously agree on this part. Not the case, unfortunately.

      My posts today are more in reflection of posts in a previous thread where posters were going back and forth debating whether Melo is overrated or not. I did not mean to say Markieff is DA GAWD because he had a good game last night..

    42. @52

      er. I wish it was like that. But Hayward is, in the modern basketball context, a much better player than Melo. I’m not talking about one-on-one players. I’m talking about team players. Somehow I wonder if winning that Syracuse title didn’t stunt Melo’s development. The guy can pass and score efficiently, and seems like he has a nice attitude toward life. It’s on the court that sometimes… he just doesn’t put the effort. And that’s inexcusable.

    43. I don’t understand. Is Heyward in the market to be traded this season? If not, the comparison is moot because Melo is on the market. Its like going online dating program and asking why you should date females when you can ask more attractive happily married women on a date.

    44. And finally, when confronted with an argument they can’t easily refute, they start insulting the “troll” and ask for a ban.

      lol…

    45. On an objective, stats-based site, I thought we’d unanimously agree on this part.

      I certainly do. But, just as certainly, I hope that some GMs don’t see that and give us something good in exchange for Melo because of brand recognition. Pure and simple.

    46. Its like going online dating program and asking why you should date females when you can ask more attractive happily married women on a date.

      Hey, you’d be surprised by the results.

    47. Farfa I agree. He does do thing that piss me off at times but I think if you swap Melo and Hayward. The Jazz would be an even better team. I know that’s not a stats thing but its a fit thing.

      I don’t really want to argue but I could go with Hayward is a close player. No where near 2012-14 melo tho.

    48. Theo, you ‘argue’ like a channer dipshit. You claim you only use logic and reason or whatever, but your valuations of players are entirely subjective. You ignore logically irrefutable arguments like “NBA GMs might make a mistake” or “GMs don’t use your entirely subjective methods of evaluating players and may therefore ascribe a different value to a particular player” and then you boast about how nobody can counter your spurious bullshit. Go away.

    49. Under the radar there’s an interesting development up in Minnesota — which is that because Pekovic’s injury is probably career-threatening, Minny can now petition to have his salary removed from their cap, which leaves them with ~$24MM in space this season. Minnesota is only 2.5 games out of the 8th seed and has gone 7-3 over their last 10. They have a chance to get in if they want.

      Would Thibs want Derrick Rose for a 2nd round pick or two? We could even take back some salary if they wanted, as long as it isn’t much and/or doesn’t go beyond next year.

    50. Theo has been banned already under like 7 different usernames. The current model should’ve been gone months ago.

    51. Theo has been banned already under like 7 different usernames. The current model should’ve been gone months ago.

      I guess he’s trying the Trump method. Sooner or later he’ll be elected KB admin making promises to build a wall around Barclays Center.

    52. That scout’s assessment of Ntilikina is more or less in accord with what I thought about his videos. At only 18 years old I still believe he will grow and mature into that frame to be a far more formidable offensive threat than scouts give him credit for. The problem is that he doesn’t have than elite athleticism in offense that people look for in the American game. His play at point guard is far more subtle. As the article notes, he needs to learn how to leverage his height and length on drives to the basket to counter for whatever lack of elevation or speed he doesn’t have.

    53. There should definitely be some kind of exception made in Pek’s situation but I bet the CBA didn’t anticipate banishment to the Phantom Zone

    54. Can we please ban this fucking idiot troll already?

      board is definitely noisier/lower quality of late

    55. Theo/Steve Bannon should force Boston to trade the Nets pick for Melo or he will institute a 20% tariff on all Celtics’ salaries.

    56. Theo/Steve Bannon should force Boston to trade the Nets pick for Melo or he will institute a 20% tariff on all Celtics’ salaries.

      Calling Don now. Consider it done.

    57. If we end up the back half of the top 10/can’t get one of Fultz, Ball, Smith Jr. or Ntilikina, I would be all. over. Mailk Monk. I’ve watched a fair amount of Kentucky this year and when he steps on the court it’s immediately clear that dude can flat out ball. He has an ELITE jump shot, is a great athlete, and I think his defense is salvageable.

      Could you imagine an offense built around Monk and KP running off screens and bombing from 3?

    58. @74

      I’d rather go after Isaac in that scenario to be honest if we can’t get those guards. Monk screams high volume scorer with little peripheral production in terms of assists, rebounds, or steals for the position.

    59. Over the Knicks’ last seven games, Anthony is averaging 30.0 points, 7.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists and 2.4 3-pointers, while shooting 48.8 percent from the floor and 40.5 percent from downtown.

      Melo was one of just seven NBA players to average at least 25 points, six boards and three assists per game in January. The other six players to match those totals were: LeBron James, Karl-Anthony Towns, DeMarcus Cousins, Kevin Durant, James Harden and Russell Westbrook.

      This will sell.

    60. Given Doc’s proclivity for signing guys who played well against the Celtics it’s vitally important that Melo roast the Clippers

    61. I’m totally out on Monk. We were talking yesterday about how guys whose only plus skill in college is scoring are very unreliable. Monk is exactly in that mold. Monk averages 3.2 rebounds and 2.9 assists (2.7 TOs) per 40 minutes. Hard pass.

    62. Monk is CJ McCollum, they are so similar.

      McCollum had a ts% higher than .600 in his last season like Monk has right now (albeit in a much weaker conference), they are about the same size and both play very questionable D / chuck a lot of shots.

      although he was pretty inefficient in his first years McCollum is having a pretty damn good year now with the Blazers… Monk should have a similar start to the NBA, a defensive liability guard who can score but poses problems in terms of not being able to be a PG full time, and yet also lacking the size to guard bigger 2’s.

      Id take him if none of the PGs or Isaac were available, but that’s it.

    63. @75 his weaknesses are defense and size. At 6’3″ with a 6’6″ wingspan, he’s a bit small for the 2 and doesn’t necessarily have the playmaking ability for the 1. He’s a bit like CJ McCollum in that regard, though not the best comp since I think Monk is a much better athlete and CJ has much better on-ball skills.

      That said, he’s one of those guys that has uncanny touch on his shot. Even when he misses it looks like it’s going in. He’s also a pretty great leaper which helps mitigate his size issues.

    64. @81, idk if you’re picking in the 8-10 range, you gotta be pretty happy if you end up with CJ McCollum.

    65. Yeah, I’m just not into the idea of drafting one-way players like Monk. That has been the downfall of the Knicks for so many years now, focusing on offense-only players.

    66. @83

      exactly, that’s what I’d be happy with, getting him with like the 7th or 8th pick.

      I agree he seems to be a better athlete than McCollum and that means he could eventually become at least an average NBA defender in the right system… but we also haven’t seen McCollum play with even average defense on his team, so that might hold true to him too.

    67. for Monk to have immediate NBA success he needs to go to a team with a bit of structure and at least one very good rim protector… he would actually be a super intriguing target for the Sixers, to share the load of scoring with Embiid and Simmons and Embiid’s rim protection would negate some of his defensive struggles.

      also, there are very very few Shooting Guards in the league that are actual elite scoring machines, so he might be fine against most teams.

    68. If we’re drafting in the 8-10 range and all of our favorites are gone I’d rather draft De’Aaron Fox or Miles Bridges–both are far more versatile and show more upside imo.

    69. 1, Why are people so high on Ricky Rubio? The dude has no shot, doesn’t finish at the rim when contested, very limited defense, and is injury prone. I get that he’s a very talented passer but honestly he reminds me too much of Chris Duhon after he lost his shot and the league realized he would not take a layup ever.

      2, What percentage of Melo’s shots are contested jump shots? I would venture a considerable amount more than Gordon Heyward (though I don’t know for sure). I’m not saying that’s a virtue, but I’m saying that has to be factored in when you value him. The guy can score at a relatively efficient clip (lately very efficient) when taking some of the hardest , least efficient shots there are. If you flat out need a bucket he can get you one, as long as he isn’t dead from doing it all game.

      Melo deserves much if the criticism that he receives, but he is still gifted offensively and has good hands on defense (if only he moved his damn feet he’d be solid). He could be a game changer on a contender as long as he buys in.

      I think that’s the real problem with Melo, since Woodson he never really bought into a system, and the only reason he bought into Woodson was because the offense was iso ball with spot up 3 point shooters (his favorite) and because there were veteran’s with big personalities that made him buy in (Kidd, Sheed, Kurt Thomas). Put him with Lebron our CP3, he will fall in line and play like Olympic Melo. Now let’s just hope Doc Rivers and whoever the “GM” of Cleveland is (we know it’s Lebron) can see that.

    70. It’s a lot more likely that defense/rebounding guys develop as scorers (Kawhi being a great example) than one-dimensional scorers develop defense/rebounding ability. I really would avoid Monk, even if that means drafting and trading him.

    71. come here for a smile and laugh each morning…ya’ll never disappoint:

      The Nets are like the Golden State Warriors of The Tank. They are an almost unstoppable obstacle to lose against.

      here’s hoping (i think) we can get our butts kicked tonight by those losers over in brooklyn – man, it’s bad for us, but, imagine being a nets fan – that must really suck…

    72. “Yeah, I’m just not into the idea of drafting one-way players like Monk. That has been the downfall of the Knicks for so many years now, focusing on offense-only players.”

      Couldn’t agree more.

    73. Is nobody intrigued by Josh Jackson on this site? Defense, playmaking, and freak athleticism. If he could learn to get his shot in position before he jumps he could be a monster in the future.

    74. I like Josh Jackson a lot more than other people here, but he doesn’t have a great frame despite his fantastic athleticism. And his shot is broken, of course. My worry with him is that he gets to the NBA and is unable to leverage his athleticism because of the skill and athleticism jump that happens when you hit the NBA. A wing that isn’t very good at shooting is a liability in that case.

      All of his other stuff is great, though. Passing, defense, Bball IQ, etc. Just fix that shot!

    75. I’m a lifelong Kentucky fan and my wife is a life long Kansas fan, so I watch both teams a lot. While I love Monk and Fox and think both would be pretty sweet, I gotta say Josh Jackson seems like a great player. He’s played well in every game I’ve watched this year. And while I know things like clutch and grit are laughed at on this site, in the Kentucky game last week they were so close to getting blown out in the first half and Jackson kept them in the game and turned it around for them…on the road against a top 10 team. He would be nice. He seems pretty well rounded too.

    76. @ 94 – you know I think there is a tendency now with the draft to overvalue shooters and athletes and undervalue defense and IQ. I think Ron Baker being a pretty good example. He’s not a world beater but he’s clearly shown that he should have been drafted in the second round this year. Being a smart basketball player should count for more than it does these days. We’re so fixated on the athletic 19 year old that we can develop that the 20 to 22 year old who seems more developed gets overlooked. The league is filled with low IQ basketball players who make dumb mistakes and don’t know how to move without the ball, don’t know positioning or footwork or a lot of the basic skills. A guard who is a great passer, has an high ball IQ and can play defense? Um, I’ll take that kid any day of the week on my team. Shooting is probably the easiest thing to improve in a young player. The other stuff is much more difficult to improve.

    77. the issue with Jackson is that I’m still not certain he won’t just be Wiggins 2.0.

      yes, he does seem super athletic and dominant in college, but Wiggins was also more athletic than 99% of the college players he faced, was a not very good shooter and looked like a great defensive presence… and I would be very disappointed picking Wiggins in the top 8.

    78. I like Josh Jackson. I don’t think Wiggins is a proper comp at all, he doesn’t have nearly the IQ and awareness (on offense or defense) or playmaking ability of Jackson. Wiggins looked like a great defensive presence, Jackson IS a great defensive presence.

      A great comp for Jackson is Andre Iguodala.

    79. I don’t know man, the scouting report on Wiggins was that he was at least going to be a plus defender in the NBA and that hasn’t translated at all… and when you are clearly the best athlete in the court it’s much easier to make better decisions and be a good playmaker since you have the athletic ability to make those plays, when most of the opposition is not really equipped to deal with it.

      I really don’t know but Isaac looks like the better prospect clearly to me.

    80. Jackson is better than Wiggins at pretty much everything besides FT shooting and his defensive numbers grade out way better (and he looks better by the eye test–at least when I watched Wiggins he was never impressive on D even in college.) I think their games are different, too. Jackson is much more of a slasher than Wiggins ever was really.

      I think he’s gonna be way better. Still would take Isaac over any other SF, though.

    81. No one is a bigger Porzingis fan than myself, but is entertaining a trade of KP for both Nyets picks in the cards for a complete rebuild? Imagine building a franchise with 2 top 5 picks both this year and next year and then moving Melo, Lee and KoQ for whatever future picks that can be had….

    82. No one is a bigger Porzingis fan than myself, but is entertaining a trade of KP for both Nyets picks in the cards for a complete rebuild? Imagine building a franchise with 2 top 5 picks both this year and next year and then moving Melo, Lee and KoQ for whatever future picks that can be had….

      Yes, immediately. I love KP but I don’t think you can pass that up. Would never happen, though.

    83. for BOTH Nets picks, yeah, I mean, as much as I hate even entertaining the idea, it would be a good trade.

    84. I think my initial reaction would be horror at taking a guy whose calling card is scoring. Please, please, please beef up the perimeter D.

      God bless him, Porzingis challenges every foray to the hoop but at this rate, dude is going to spend his entire career in foul trouble.

      And please don’t talk about sending the Unicorn to fucking Boston.

    85. I irrationally love KP way to much to even begin a conversation about that deal.

      The list of players I would trade him for straight up is Karl-Anthony Towns. Sorry not sorry.

    86. Wow, tough call. You could only do it if it was concurrent with a Melo trade, because it would mean starting a true build-from-the-bottom rebuild. You’re in full-on fire sale mode at that point. Everything must go.

    87. Josh Jackson is Evan Turner all over again. I will say that he’s an elite passer and rebounder for a defender but he’s my least favorite player in the top of the draft. His tape is super uninspiring.

    88. You don’t trade KP even for the two Nets picks. The Nets pick could easily be the #4 this year and next years pick could be much higher like 6 or 7 if Lin is healthy and they take a bit of a step forward. KP is what you hope for when you draft someone at the top of the lottery. For every KP there is 10 top five picks that are much worse.

    89. @110 precisely, it’s like the whole world is on crazy pills with this stuff. Pick #4 is the most likely outcome for the Nets’ lotto position!

      There’s even an aphorism on the subject and Zingis is the bird in hand.

    90. I think Isaac may be the safer pick, but Jackson seems like he has the higher ceiling based on his athleticism. Plus the Knicks need somebody who can force turnovers, run the floor, and get us easy buckets. It would be great to have a legit slasher to pull us away from all the damn jump shots this team takes.

    91. Selling KP low for the promise of a shot a blue chip college player would be a classic mistake. Its blasphemously shortsighted to make that deal on an already promising 21 year old player who still has ceiling left. If anything we should trade around his talents, not away his talents.

    92. Plus it would be great to have a legit slasher to pull us away from all the damn jump shots this team takes.

      Isn’t that why Rose is here?

    93. monk isn’t a horrible prospect.. he’s just a bit overrated since the bust potential is high but he could very well be a better version of oj mayo/ben gordon…. cj mccollum is a good comparable although he always had high steal rates…

      jackson is also pretty good… but he’s also basically a sophomore… him and tatum are true SF’s though … something isaac isn’t.. i do think isaac is more of a modern 4 and shouldn’t be compared to these guys…

    94. Selling KP low for the promise of a shot a blue chip college player would be a classic mistake.

      A few things:

      1…. no one Knows if selling KP now is actually selling low.
      2… the Nyets are 6 games below the second lowest team and are a virtual lock to have the most ping pong balls.
      3… their prospects of being any better next year are very slim and are virtually locks to be among the worst 2 teams in 2018.
      4… moving KP (in conjunction with moving melo, lee and KOQ) drops the knicks into the top 5 worst records this year and next year giving the KNICKS 2 extremely high lotto picks the next two seasons.

      You’ve gotta break some eggs to make an omelette

    95. I don’t like that the Knicks seem determined not to take on Crawford. If they’re offering their 2021 just take him with it, have him help us tank this year, and then next year he’s an expiring in an offseason that we won’t be very active in anyway.

    96. No one is a bigger Porzingis fan than myself, but is entertaining a trade of KP for both Nyets picks in the cards for a complete rebuild?

      Yesterday I looked at top 5 picks from 2000-2015 drafts and categorized pick results into two categories: (1) excellent players like Bron, Wall, KP, Horford (2) busts and middling to OK players.

      Here are the approximate probabilities using that historical data:
      36% chance of landing two players in category (2)
      16% chance of landing two players in category (1)
      48% chance of landing one player in category (1) and one player in category (2)

    97. That is a tough trade to make. It would take a pretty ballsy GM with huge faith in his scouts to pull the trigger on that.

      KP for my mind needs to stay. For as long as I have been following this blog, we have always decried the front office for not sticking with youth. I think moving KP now for anything sort of KAT or Freak is potentially as short sighted, but in a different way if that makes sense (i.e. giving up on a really good prospect we really have for the opportunity to draft a prospect that may or may not be as good). We already have some decent young talent to work with, so why not give them a shot? If we can add one or two more draft picks this year, I think we are in a pretty decent position.

    98. @120
      Agreed. Build around KP and Willy. Let’s go from here and find out how special (or not) these guys are. I’m fine with tanking and adding a 3rd guy in this year’s draft. Sure, deal Melo, OQ, Lee if some decent picks or young assets can be acquired.

    99. @119, interesting.
      So, you are saying, if you have 2 top 5 picks, there is still a 50% chance 1 will be a bust, and a 16% chance both will. I’m sure that if you look at the “excellent” players by position, you will find the #1 pick has like a 2/3 chance of being excellent.

      So, if you re-ran this with the assumption that the pingpong balls work against us, and we dont’ land the #1 pick, it’s a lot more risky.

      But……no fucking way bos gives us both those picks.

    100. As I said, no one loves KP more than me, but if we cannot shake a prime piece loose for Melo, Lee, KOQ, whomever how does this team get better drafting 10th?

      KP has broken down both season approximately 30 games into a 100 game schedule. There is nothing saying this isn’t a trend. Moving him for the 2 Nyet’s picks practically insures us of having 4 top 4 picks the next 2 seasons.

      Keeping him insures having 2 picks around 10 in the next 2 seasons and a freakishly skilled 7’3″ player who doesn’t have a position and may or may not be able to ever play a full season.

      I don’t know which is better?

      What we really need is for Phil to shake Love loose from Cleveland or Griffin from the paper clips like the Russian sub commander in the Hunt For Red October:

      https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/bca1e87d-cdc7-43ff-abfe-ddba6e3ee82d

      Of course, when he shook Rameis loose…. the arrogant ass killed himself!

    101. (Big Yawn)

      There is NO TRADE that will actually be made for Carmelo Anthony that will work out well for the Knicks in the end. The Knicks now seem like a team that is desperate to pull the trigger and get rid of their best player for pennies on the dollar. The best move is for Phil to say to Melo “I’ve decided to NOT trade you – ever, but we’re rebuilding, so live with that.”

      It might piss Carmelo off enough that he waives his no-trade clause. I say this because it’s probably best to let him rot on the vine. Melo needs to get another team to fall in love with him. Then we can play the “Oh, but we LOVE Anthony. You have to overwhelm us with an offer for us to begin to think about it.”

      Remember what Denver did to us.

      Remember.

    102. @124

      For what it’s worth it seems as if Phil is pretty confident that he can get concessions like no Crawford, or getting K Love, in any Melo deal he would want to make which might indicate that he’s not willing to sell low

      I don’t know if I agree with that strategy but I applaud him for trying to draw blood from a stone

    103. For what it’s worth it seems as if Phil is pretty confident that he can get concessions like no Crawford, or getting K Love, in any Melo deal he would want to make which might indicate that he’s not willing to sell low

      I don’t know if I agree with that strategy but I applaud him for trying to draw blood from a stone

      It seems he has at least made progress from the initial offers that were reported. I think at this stage he just needs to keep kicking the tyres so to speak. LA seems pretty desperate, but the fact that Boston seems to have a legitimate interest could force Cleveland’s hand if they start feeling a bit of FOMO. We certainly aren’t getting a deal Denver got, but there’s some scope for a good outcome here. If we can net a few more picks in the next two drafts (the Nets Holy Grail pick would be ideal, but honestly any extra picks in a decent draft would be nice) I think that’s a very decent outcome.

    104. I’d like for Phil to quietly tell Hornacek to keep Melo’s minutes down. At this point I don’t think his trade value is going up anymore, and it’s in his own interests to not risk injury playing meaningless games for a team he doesn’t want to be on. Plus then the Clippers/Celtics/Cavs get a well-rested Melo for the stretch run.

      Also, the tank.

    105. It looks like Phil Jackson knows how desperate LeBron and CP3 are to beat Golden State. If I’m Phil, I’m talking to Ainge about that 2017 1st round pick and telling him that I can get Cleveland or LA to give up their star power forward. The smart play might be to wait until GSW annihilates either team in the playoffs and then see if CLE/LAC will give up a player we can flip for the Nets’ pick.

      ESPN’s Chad Ford also now has Jonathan Isaac ranked in the top 5. The time to tank couldn’t be any more present.

    106. Asking for Love is establishing Melo’s elite value even if we never get Love. It is a smart move by Phil to raise Melo’s value league wide. Hopefully we can pry Love away from the Cavs but even if we don’t it should help us get more assets from someone else in return for our other-worldly superstar.

      We would of course give Love’s back the rest of the season off to heal properly if we found it prudent if we don’t immediately move him to Beantown.

    107. Chad Ford’s new top 15:

      1. Fultz
      2. Ball
      3. Jackson
      4. Smith
      5. Isaac
      6. Monk
      7. Tatum
      8. Giles
      9. Markkanen
      10. Fox
      11. Ntilikina
      12. Bridges
      13. Patton
      14 R. Williams
      15. Leaf

      I read that Ford says there’s a big dropoff after pick #12 and that any of the top 12 would be a top 5 in a normal draft.

      We’d be the 11th pick right now so we might get Ntilikina without even trying.

    108. I’ve already gotten my hopes up so high that I would be disappointed if we don’t land Jonathan Isaac. Frank Ntilikina sounds like a let down right now, but on draft night I’d be pretty excited.

      I’m so sure Jonathan Isaac is the next in line of 7-foot-superstars-who-shouldn’t-be-that-skilled I would be heartbroken if we couldn’t pair him and KP together. Isaac and KP alone in their primes would be a top 5 offense and defense.

    109. i’d probably have it like:

      1. fultz
      2. isaac
      3. ball
      4. tatum
      5. jackson
      6. smith
      7. fox

      the guys below this are all fine prospects but have bigger question marks…. these guys are real blue chippers and would be top 3 in most other drafts….

    110. Asking for Love is establishing Melo’s elite value even if we never get Love. It is a smart move by Phil to raise Melo’s value league wide. Hopefully we can pry Love away from the Cavs but even if we don’t it should help us get more assets from someone else in return for our other-worldly superstar.

      No, it’s not. If the Cavs offered Love for Melo and Jackson turned it down, that would be a move to establish value. The Cavs said no because Love is a much better player and fit than Melo on pretty much any team in 2017.

      If you have a bar of solid gold and I offer you $5, that doesn’t help establish your gold bar as worth $5 or anything close to it. It just makes me a guy who offered you $5 for a bar of solid gold.

    111. If you have a bar of solid gold and I offer you $5, that doesn’t help establish your gold bar as worth $5 or anything close to it. It just makes me a guy who offered you $5 for a bar of solid gold.

      There is nothing wrong in trying to show the market that you still value your asset.

      Love is better and younger than Melo but he is still one of the 2nd tier stars of the league on a max contract. It’s not like Phil is asking for Curry or Durant.

      If the Cavs turn down the offer (and they should), at least it’s a starting point for not being robbed again.

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