Knicks Morning News (2017.01.21)

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah on the mend, and Jeff Hornacek’s still in his corner
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 9:08:59 PM)

    Joakim Noah may return from a sprained left ankle for the Knicks on Saturday when they face the Suns at the Garden. Noah has missed the past two games with the injury and coach Jeff Hornacek insisted on not rushing him back. Hornacek has a far deeper appreciation of the former Defensive Player of the…

  • [NYPost] Knicks get screwed while NBA barely dings cheating Wizards
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 1:37:43 PM)

    Yup, Wizards assistant coach Sidney Lowe was wrong. Even the league said so. Lowe should have been assessed a technical foul for coming out on the court near the Knicks’ Courtney Lee in one of the pivotal moments of Thursday’s game, the league decreed in its daily Last Two Minute Report. While the world wondered…

  • [NYDN] NBA agrees with Knicks’ Courtney Lee, fines Sidney Lowe, Wizards
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 8:58:28 PM)

    The NBA agreed with Courtney Lee.

  • [NYDN] Knicks Insider: Morris says Suns’ downfall wasn’t on Hornacek
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 10:05:29 AM)

    Only about one year ago, Jeff Hornacek was part of another Titanic-type situation as a coach overseeing a soap opera.

  • [SNY Knicks] Lowe, Wizards fined for distracting Lee on last possession
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 7:30:12 PM)

    The NBA has fined the Wizards $15,000 and assistant coach Sidney Lowe $5,000 for stepping on the court and distracting Knicks guard Courtney Lee on the final possession of Thursday’s game, the league announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo would consider waiving no-trade clause if Knicks asked him to
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 12:30:52 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony told Newsday he would consider waiving his no-trade clause if the Knicks asked him to.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis was solid in return to the lineup
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 2:00:04 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis had 15 points and five rebounds in 29 minutes in his return to the lineup during Thursday night’s 113-110 loss to the Wizards at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Jackson continues to not talk to media about Anthony
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 7:42:25 AM)

    Knicks president Phil Jackson continued to avoid talking to the media about forward Carmelo Anthony and his role with the team.

  • [ESPN] Melo: Will consider move if Knicks don’t want me
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 11:09:10 PM)

    Melo: Will consider move if Knicks don’t want me

  • [ESPN] NBA fines Wiz assistant $5K for being on court
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 6:19:49 PM)

    NBA fines Wiz assistant $5K for being on court

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Says Referees Missed Key Foul at End of Knicks’ Loss
    (Saturday, January 21, 2017 2:29:24 AM)

    The league said a Wizards assistant coach should have been called for a technical foul for stepping onto the court during the Knicks’ final possession.

  • [NYTimes] Wizards 113, Knicks 110: Carmelo Anthony Has Knicks-Record 25-Point Quarter in Loss to Wizards
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 6:13:37 AM)

    Anthony finished with 34 points but the Knicks were unable to tie the game on a late controversial play and have lost 12 of their past 15 games.

  • [NY Newsday] If Knicks want him out, Carmelo Anthony says he’d consider leaving New York
    (Saturday, January 21, 2017 1:28:04 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony’s stance hasn’t changed. He wants to remain a Knick. But in an exclusive interview with Newsday, the Knicks star said he would consider leaving if that’s what the front office wanted.

  • [NY Newsday] NBA: Wizards’ Sidney Lowe should have been hit with technical foul vs. Knicks
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 9:29:52 PM)

    The NBA ruled that the Wizards should have been assessed a technical foul for assistant coach Sidney Lowe’s presence on the court when Courtney Lee got the ball in the corner in the final seconds of the Knicks’ three-point loss Thursday night.

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    47 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.01.21)”

    1. How bad is it gonna be if we lose to Phoenix at home tonight?

      I’m salivating

    2. I highly doubt we lose to Phoenix tonight. We always beat them by 30 when we play them at home.

    3. I am worried about this Suns game. We really look like a cinch to win against them. I’d feel better if we lost the Celtics game, but we didn’t so there’s less margin for success.

    4. Openly rooting for your favorite team to lose and openly fretting that they might actually win..
      The New Normal for Knick fans
      So Sad….

    5. We only need one good year to suck and maybe next year. If we emerge next June with Ntilikina, Diallo, and Porzingis then we’d have a great roster to build around.

    6. @5 Yes this is a very strange place indeed. I guess years of trauma can do this to people.

    7. @8
      I wonder if that Melo’s way of trying to get out of Dodge without trying to seem like he is. Put the onus on Phil?

      Will Phil take the bait? The battle of massive egos begins.

    8. @10

      I think it’s close to 100% certain that if Melo leaves, he wants the public perception to be that the Knicks wanted to move on and not that he was fleeing a tough situation and abandoning his teammates and NY. He took a lot of heat when he left Denver and he doesn’t want a repeat of that. Truly though, I think he wants to stay and NY and win in NY. The problem is that is not going to happen. As soon as he realizes that (the sooner the better), we have a chance to move on IF Phil is willing to take some of the heat from fans for trading him.

    9. I would like to trade him for a good young player and at least a medium first round pick this year. Nothing less. No salary dumps or 2025 picks please.

    10. I would much rather trade one of our 2nds for a decent player from a team that is tanking.

    11. You guys think Melo would go to Chicago to play with Wade, Rondo, and Jimmy Butler? They have Sacramento’s pick.

    12. I am not a Melo fan, but I almost feel badly for him. I realize he is responsible for the Knicks stripping themselves of assets moving forward so he could have his cake and eat it too coming here, but I actually feel his pain (well…. at least a little bit.)

      I think Melo has recently realized it isn’t going to happen here in the next 2-3 year while he can still play reasonably well and moving to a team with a shot of doing something beyond the first round of the playoffs is clearly possible.

      The man actually DOES prefer to play here and I love that, but everybody knows it isn’t going to happen.

      Phil should only move him in a deal that is in the long term interest of the franchise…. namely either for the NYETs (or some other 1-2-3 pick this year) or a young up coming player or an all star 28 or so yer old type like Love or Griffin (and that likely isn’t happening.)

      Melo could really help Boston right now with the depth they have now and they wouldn’t have to send a significant rotation piece back. The Nyets 2017 pick wouldn’t likely help the group they have now in the short and intermediate term as much as Melo could.

      The Knicks really need to strip the team down to maximize this one year tank and gain as many assets as they can for Lee, O’Quinn (Rose/Jennings if possible) and most of all, Melo

      He wants to go to either Cleveland or the Paper Clips, but I don’t see what they are willing to offer without disturbing their core…. but you never know what Paul and LeBron think…..

      Phil can provide cover for Melo’s ego and make himself into the savior all at the same time claiming this was all an option he saw while chewing peyote buttons in his beneficial spot in a sweat lodge….

    13. @15 — I agree with almost everything you said except the absolute best case we could expect for Melo is a 6-12 pick and not taking back more than 2 years of a bad contract. Unfortunately Melo is just not worth a top 6 choice in any draft let alone the upcoming draft which is twice as deep as normal at the top 12.

    14. Say what you will, but Melo has been refreshingly classy during his Knicks tenure. He does deserve a lot more respect. Unfortunately for him, he was dealt to a team with fans that are starving because we’re used to the team being competitive while playing in the world’s greatest arena. We are- by and large- a rabid, knowledgeable fan base. When we get behind a team, it seems like that team can move mountains. But when we sour on a team? OH BOY. Y’kno? Melo came to a dysfunctional franchise that thought star players would fix the dysfunction- a franchise that couldn’t look deeper than the surface. So..yea..it sucks he gets most of the blame because we gave up a lot for him, and he was the player that most folks saw as the “savior” due to his perennial all star status. People say Melo can’t win because he’s had good teams on paper, yet still came up short. That doesn’t mean his past teams were truly built in a manner that accentuates his strengths. Look at this year’s Houston team. Full of shooters and some guys who can play D. Harden makes it work, but that is the kind of team that Melo needs. Maybe a real PG because Beverley doesn’t cut it as the primary ball-handler. In any case, its not all Melo’s fault- but he gets the blame because he is the face. The guy has never batted an eye at it- he just hasn’t been successful. That said, I will forever revere him as a Knick if he waives his NTC and allows the franchise to attempt to move on and restock.

    15. Moving Melo for almost anything is a good idea. Shorter bad contract, 2nd round pick, whatever. Not going to happen though.

    16. Openly rooting for your favorite team to lose and openly fretting that they might actually win..The New Normal for Knick fans
      So Sad….

      Um, what? As opposed to the old normal of the past 17 years where we rooted for a losing team with no future to win an 8th seed in the playoffs? Jesus, what a warped fan base mentality. No wonder this team has been mired in perpetual failure for almost two decades.

    17. I would like to trade him for a good young player and at least a medium first round pick this year. Nothing less

      LOL. Why don’t you also ask for the fillings from the GMs mouth while you’re at it?

      I agree with almost everything you said except the absolute best case we could expect for Melo is a 6-12 pick and not taking back more than 2 years of a bad contract.

      I would be absolutely grateful if we got a 6th overall pick in this draft for a fading star with bad knees and a NTC.

    18. This is what Phil should be looking for if he’s smart enough.

      Here’s the proposal: the Clippers send matching salaries to the Knicks for Anthony, some combination of Jamal Crawford, Austin Rivers, Wes Johnson and Paul Pierce. In addition, they send the Knicks their 2021 first round pick, along with the right to swap first rounders in 2020 and 2022.

      If that trade sounds familiar, it should. It’s very similar to the one Boston and Brooklyn made in 2013 for Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. Brooklyn felt that they were two high-end players away from contending, so they paid an enormous price to get them. The Clippers are in a similar position, except they only need one player. Anthony is younger and has more value than either of the former Celtics that are being traded, and the Clippers have a slightly more optimistic future than Brooklyn did at the time.

      The obvious flaw here is that the Garnett-Pierce trade turned out to be a disaster for Brooklyn. Why would the Clippers risk repeating it? It’s very simple: Doc Rivers is not most GMs. He’s also the coach. He’s not thinking on the indefinite timeline most GMs think on because as a coach, he’s trained to try to win immediately. And considering his history with Boston once again, why would he care about the eventual consequences of the trade when he could easily walk away and leave them on whoever replaces him?

      http://thesportspost.com/nba-carmelo-anthony-knicks-trade/

      There is a lot of sense in this proposal.

    19. Nope. If a team wants to win now and they believe that Melo can help them accomplish that goal then they will have to pay up for him. Nothing less.

    20. @24

      They won’t and you’ll get nothing. The dumbest thing a GM can do is to price themselves out of a market.

    21. A team that feels that Melo can put them over the top has to pay up. If not then they can pound salt.

    22. 1. I don’t think Melo will be traded. However, the possibility is at least out there now with his recent comments. So, speculating is fun. I seriously doubt that the Knicks can get both a 1st rounder and decent young player for him from anybody. And, probably not a high first rounder, even by itself (plus salary fodder).

      2. Boston is an excellent fit for him. Surely he can see that? I seriously doubt that Ainge would give up Brooklyn’s 1st rounder this year for him. Ainge reportedly wants another scorer to balance their lineup, and Melo might even help their rebounding a bit. They have a couple of expirings that could be included in a deal to get it done.

      Two proposals:
      1. Melo for the expirings and Crowder. They get Melo, the Knicks get Crowder (can’t shoot, but an excellent defender for the starting unit) and lots of cap space.
      2. Melo and O’Quinn (this is assuming that Boston really feels that they need some rebounding and toughness up front)….for Brookyn’s pick and whatever junk the Celts want to send to make the salaries match. In this case, I would NOT settle for less than that pick as the Knicks since the Celts are getting 2 very useful players. Do they want to go for it the next couple of years, or not??

    23. @17 indeed he has, and if he does end up leaving, we all need to show appreciation for that and the fact that, regardless of what he was or wasn’t able to live up to while as a Knick, he embraced the challenge and the city.

    24. @30 This is precisely my point. If a team wants to go for it then they have to pay a price for it. They need us more than we need them.

    25. Danny Ainge definitely would trade the Brooklyn 2017 for Melo. Especially if all we asked for was Jaylen Brown, the 2017 pick and expiring contracts? You don’t say no to that deal.

    26. The “2017 Brooklyn pick” is actually swap rights to the pick. Which is more valuable to a playoff-bound team like the Celtics than a late lottery team like us.

    27. Oh wait, so they would take our pick plus Melo in return for theirs? No thanks.

    28. You guys are so naively delusional! Lol…

      Knicks will need to PAY with picks and other things in order for anyone to take Melo off their hands.

      Not to mention, it’s hard to find a team that would greatly benefit from importing this cancer.

      Melo’s stock is at an all-time low. Won’t go back up.

    29. Melo just broke the franchise scoring record for points in a quarter. If you think his stock is at an all time low and we’re gonna have to give up picks to trade him you’re stupid. And if that was the case then we won’t trade him.

    30. They can still trade us their pick along with the right to swap it for the Brooklyn pick, no?

    31. The #1 pick was just dealt a couple of years ago for Kevin Love. Melo has similar trade value to a desperate win now team, I think. It’s moot since he won’t go to Boston, but you know what I mean. ;)

    32. You really think so BC? I’d be delighted but just about every front office (the competent ones anyway) uses analytics in some capacity. That isn’t exactly conducive to coming to the conclusion that Melo and Love, who was also much younger at the time, have similar value.

    33. Melo just broke the franchise scoring record for points in a quarter.

      Yep. Great record! Lol…

      Based on that powerful insight, we can safely assume teams are lining up, picks-in-hand, to trade for the worst NBA contract.

      If you think his stock is at an all time low and we’re gonna have to give up picks to trade him you’re stupid. And if that was the case then we won’t trade him.

      Nice to see that little voice of reason at the end. Not all is lost!

    34. You really think so BC? I’d be delighted but just about every front office (the competent ones anyway) uses analytics in some capacity. That isn’t exactly conducive to coming to the conclusion that Melo and Love, who was also much younger at the time, have similar value.

      I think that teams that use analytics will look back to the last full season he played primarily at the 4 and they’ll say, “We can use that guy.” In addition, his play at the 4 should also age better than at the 3. But yes, mostly I think it will be because he’s famous and scores a lot. I think him scoring 25 in a quarter the other day matters to teams (how in the world did Reggie Miller refrain from pointing out the time that he scored 25 in the fourth against the Knicks? I would if I were him).

    35. Worst NBA contract has to be Noah or Crawford

      Maybe Lee if he nosedives (noticing a pattern here?)

    36. Knicks are the kind of franchise to pays a guy to be #33 in 2016-17 salary (Noah) and also be #180 in MPG.

      This is why nothing good ever happens and we cannot have the good things, like wins.

    37. The Clippers were once an embarrassing organization with a terrible human being for an owner. Then they drafted Blake Griffin and life changed.

      We might be close to the same luck.

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