Knicks Morning News (2017.01.20)

  • [NYTimes] Russell Westbrook Is Left Out of Starting Lineup for N.B.A. All-Star Game
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 3:52:59 AM)

    Westbrook was beaten out by Stephen Curry and James Harden in a new voting system in which he finished first among players and media but third among fans.

  • [NYTimes] Russell Westbrook Confirms He and Kevin Durant Are No Longer Speaking
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:14:25 PM)

    Westbrook has been vocal about his former teammate’s decision to leave the Thunder for the Warriors as a free agent.

  • [NYTimes] Wizards 113, Knicks 110: Carmelo Anthony Has Knicks-Record 25-Point Quarter in Loss to Wizards
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 6:13:37 AM)

    Anthony finished with 34 points but the Knicks were unable to tie the game on a late controversial play and have lost 12 of their past 15 games.

  • [NYTimes] Kevin Durant Puts Up Season-Best 40 Points in Warriors’ Win Over Thunder
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:23:20 AM)

    Durant again dazzled against his former team, pushing his total to 79 points in two games against Oklahoma City.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Lee claims Wizards’ coach interfered on last possession
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 12:34:36 AM)

    The Knicks’ Courtney Lee says the NBA should investigate Wizards assistant coach Sidney Lowe for interfering with him on New York’s final possession in their 113-110 loss to Washington Thursday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony’s record not enough as Wizards hold off Knicks, 113-110
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:55:24 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony scored a Knicks-record 25 points in the second quarter, but was held to nine points the rest of the game as the Knicks lost to the Wizards 113-110 Thursday night at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony, not an All-Star starter, scores Knicks-record 25 in quarter
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:23:09 PM)

    The Knicks’ Carmelo Anthony, who learned before the game he would not be starting in the All-Star Game, scored a team-record 25 points in the second quarter against the Wizards Thursday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Tonight’s Game: Knicks vs. Wizards
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:05:31 PM)

    The Knicks (19-24) will take on the Washington Wizards (22-19) at Madison Square Garden on Thursday.

  • [SNY Knicks] NBA, players union sign new collective bargaining agreement
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:10:59 PM)

    The NBA and NBA Players Association have signed a new collective bargaining agreement, it was announced in a joint statement on Thursday. The deal takes effect July 1, 2017, and run through the 2023-24 season. The league and the players agreed in principle to a new CBA in December.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis available tonight, Noah out with sprained ankle
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:00:38 PM)

    After undergoing MRIs on Thursday, Kristaps Porzingis will be available for tonight’s game against the Wizards, while Joakim Noah is out with a sprained left ankle.

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Not for Sale
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:15:42 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton discuss the future of Carmelo Anthony — the remaining years on his deal and his desire to stay in NYC. Later, Ant and Moke get into the Knicks’ win over Boston and Courtney Lee’s Dumb & Dumber post on Instagram.

  • [SNY Knicks] Injury-riddled Knicks welcome Wizards to New York
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:28:54 PM)

    The injury-riddled Knicks welcome John Wall and the Washington Wizards to Madison Square Garden on Thursday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose came up big for undermanned Knicks against Celtics
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:30:33 AM)

    With the injured Kristaps Porzingis and Joakim Noah out, Derrick Rose scored 30 points during Wednesday night’s 117-106 win over the Celtics.

  • [NYPost] ‘Phil’s tripping over a whole franchise’: Knicks in a free-fall
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:11:19 PM)

    Phil Jackson hasn’t spoken to the local scribes since Sept. 22, but Thursday night he got caught in a pickle, caught in the hallway near the Knicks locker room by a small group of beat writers as he talked to a Knicks staffer. As the writers trapped him, Jackson said, “No reason to stop.’’ Jackson…

  • [NYPost] Courtney Lee accuses Wizards assistant of illegal stunt
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:12:34 PM)

    Courtney Lee accused Wizards assistant coach Sidney Lowe of an illegal stunt on the Knicks’ final possession that forced him to drive the ball instead of taking the potential game-tying 3-pointer in the final seconds of the Knicks’ 113-110 loss to Washington. Lee said the NBA should look into the incident that saw Lowe, according…

  • [NYPost] Knicks steamed after brutal loss ends in controversy
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:50:27 PM)

    This was not your typical night at the Garden. And not because of elements like a franchise record or the return of Kristaps Porzingis or it being the night Carmelo Anthony’s All-Star starting streak ended. That stuff was routine compared to what Courtney Lee described on his endgame play. Lee said Washington assistant Sidney Lowe…

  • [NYPost] ‘I’m a 100 percent’: Kristaps Porzingis electrifies in return
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:42:28 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis feared the worst, but then heard the best news. Porzingis went for an MRI exam Thursday on his ailing left Achilles tendon that had kept him out of seven games, including the previous four. But Porzingis heard only positive news: there was no structural damage and he was cleared to play, although he…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo Anthony has handled Knicks friction best way he can
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 12:14:00 PM)

    NBA TV analyst and new SiriusXM host Greg Anthony talks about Carmelo Anthony’s status with the Knicks, Derrick Rose’s potential and Phil Jackson’s legacy with The Post’s Justin Terranova. Q: How do you think Carmelo has handled this whole situation? A: He still wants to win on the biggest stage, but obviously there is a…

  • [NYPost] Time to bench Joakim Noah – and use this lineup to save Knicks
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:37:42 AM)

    Joakim Noah can still be an asset on the Knicks — just more so off the court as a tutor/mentor and definitely not as their starting center. That scenario is a no-brainer now, whenever Noah returns to action. Noah has a severely sprained ankle that will require an MRI exam on Thursday. Whether it’s serious…

  • [NY Newsday] Wizards’ John Wall (29 points, 13 assists) excels
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 12:47:10 AM)

    Special to Newsday

  • [NY Newsday] Carmelo Anthony scores 34, but Knicks can’t get off shot on final possession in loss to Wizards
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 12:35:00 AM)

    Courtney Lee had just received the pass from Carmelo Anthony and was prepared to take a tying three-pointer, but out of the corner of the eye, he saw someone near him with his hand up, screaming that he was there to help.

  • [NY Newsday] Phil Jackson mum about Carmelo Anthony, state of Knicks
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:54:47 PM)

    Phil Jackson broke his silence with the media covering the Knicks, but he wouldn’t talk about Carmelo Anthony or the state of the team.

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Courtney Lee calling NBA to investigate Wizards assistant
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:46:26 PM)

    Courtney Lee is calling for the league to investigate the late-game actions of Wizards assistant coach Sidney Lowe.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony breaks Knicks record with 25 points in quarter
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:26:57 PM)

    A heckling Knicks fan prompted Carmelo Anthony to unleash an All-Star performance in the second quarter.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony plays like All-Star, but Knicks still lose
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:37:50 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony played like an All-Star for one quarter. As for the rest of the game? John Wall was better.

  • [NYDN] Kristaps Porzingis available for Knicks after MRI shows no damage
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:56:57 PM)

    Crisis averted. For now.

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson won’t talk Carmelo Anthony, does take shot at Trump
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:45:49 PM)

    Phil Jackson still doesn’t want to talk about Carmelo or the Knicks – but he did manage to work in a shot at Donald Trump.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Melo’s big quarter not enough in loss to Wizards
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 4:54:56 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Melo’s big quarter not enough in loss to Wizards

  • [ESPN] Carmelo Anthony’s 25-point quarter the lone highlight for Knicks star
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 1:42:57 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony’s 25-point quarter the lone highlight for Knicks star

  • [ESPN] Lee: Wizards assistant tricked me on final play
    (Friday, January 20, 2017 12:55:12 AM)

    Lee: Wizards assistant tricked me on final play

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Porzingis gets good report on Achilles
    (Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:30:33 PM)

    Knicks’ Porzingis gets good report on Achilles

  • 119 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.01.20)”

    I’m all in on the tank, but was rooting for the Knicks to win last night (yea, yea I know)

    Slightly off-topic, but it annoys me to no end how the Charles Barkley’s and Jalen Rose’s of the world have poisoned people’s minds into thinking Demar Derozan is better at basketball than Kyle Lowry.

    Kyle Lowry – TS% .642 WS/48 .231 BPM 7.4
    Demar Derozan – TS% .556 WS/48 .181 BPM 1.0

    Did anybody notice that Dejuonte Murray started in place of Tony Parker and was excellent? Of course they were playing the Nuggets, but damn. It looks like Pop did it again.

    I didn’t notice it when it happened live, but WTF was that from Sidney Lowe? He was on the court during play and no one saw it?

    Yeah, Murray was nasty. He wasn’t playing well before this game, but this was his first real shot and boy, did he take advantage of it.

    David Lee has also been fantastic this year. Not sure why GS let him go. He’s better than David West.

    We’re NYK fans..even though quite a few of us want to see a stealth tank so we can draft another core piece, in the back of our minds there’s still that desire to see the team win a game. With that in mind, it makes us torn- naturally. I wanna see a stealth tank given the injuries, but Sidney Lowe really pissed me off. Not only was he on the court shouting to trick Lee..HE THREW HIS HAND UP AS HE MOVED TOWARD HIM SO HE WOULD LOOK LIKE A DEFENDER! The league should negate that win, there’s no excuse for that. Who knows if we would have won because it was only a potential game tying 3. But still…that was worse than Jason Kidd’s “hit me so I can spill the cup” move. Way worse.

    You can’t take the W away from the Wizards because there was no proof we’d have made the shot and won. They were winning the game after all.

    Yea, plus if you take the “W” away from the wizards, won’t they be the Izzards? And isn’t that a bad look 😉

    I believe that the minimum penalty for what Lowe did is a technical foul. But I would reverse the game’s outcome and perform a public flogging too.

    Not only did Asst. Coach Sidney Lowe play defense on Courtney Lee’s shot by standing on the floor and waving his arms, but when Melo popped out to 3 after Lee passed on the shot, Lowe defended Melo as well so he couldn’t receive the pass back from Lee. Completely ridiculous.

    Zach Lowe did a little write-up on the play and coaches in general being on the floor in his “10 Things” article from this morning.

    Lastly, apparently this is a “thing” for Lowe as someone on Twitter posted another video of him playing “defense” on a Kemba Walker 3, where he almost touched Walker.

    Lowe’s rant:

    BONUS NO. 11: Coaches, get off the damn floor!

    I’ve been railing about this for seven years now. I need some help, people. The rule book is crystal clear on this: Teams should be assessed a technical whenever a head coach or assistant ventures onto the court beyond prescribed boundaries. Head coaches are allowed to stroll along the sideline toward half-court to yell out plays, provided they retreat in a timely fashion. They are not allowed to step five feet onto the court during their meanderings. They are not allowed to randomly be outside the coach’s box to scream, clap, flap their wings, or whatever other histrionics they might use to distract opposing players.

    Assistants have to stay on the bench, period. They can yelp and clap from their seats when opposing shooters set up shop nearby, but it’s sort of embarrassing to watch grown men in expensive suits turn into crazy youth sports parents.

    What Sidney Lowe, the Wiz assistant, did last night in the closing moments of Washington’s win in New York was blatantly illegal in the moment. He stood on the court right next to a referee who decided to just ignore him. He tricked Courtney Lee into passing up a game-tying triple. That’s not even the referee’s fault. The NBA long ago decided to punt this rule. Usually, it doesn’t matter; Erik Spoelstra does no damage while he ambles up the floor alongside his point guard during a typical half-court possession.

    But occasionally you get something like this — or Jason Kidd (intentionally) slamming into Mike Woodson in crunch time, or Stephen Jackson getting whistled for an unfair technical in the Western Conference finals for daring to yell back at the Thunder coaches and bench players taunting him. The NBA is great at ignoring rules until they come into the play at the end of close games, and then apologizing the next day. This one is simple, and it’s on the books already: Get the coaches off the court.

    I think we should hire Sidney Lowe immediately as an assistant coach. We need all the help on defense we can get.

    @8 – I agree with you Totes, that this was an egregious act by Sydney Lowe, but you can’t take a win away from the Wizards. On the other hand, a fine is in order. According to the salary of an NBA coach in 2014 was $750K – $1M. A fine of $100K would be appropriately painful.

    @8 – I agree with you Totes, that this was an egregious act by Sydney Lowe, but you can’t take a win away from the Wizards. On the other hand, a fine is in order. According to the salary of an NBA coach in 2014 was $750K – $1M. A fine of $100K would be appropriately painful

    Well..can Adam Silver AT LEAST force them to trade Wall for 25? LOL..shit, I’d take Trey Burke and Kelly Oubre lol

    I missed the telecast and TNT show with Charles, Kenny, and Shaq last night. What were they saying about that amazing dunk by Porzingis during and after the game?

    I’m still not 100% sure KP is going to be as good as we all hope. He makes some amazing plays on both ends of the floor, but he’s lacking as a consistent rebounder and/or play maker. Young players usually don’t get much better at rebounding. Play making also seems to be somewhat innate.

    Hopefully he’ll improve his game inside and be able to take advantage of his size and athleticism to score more efficiently over smaller players or slower big defenders.

    Hopefully his shot election will improve.

    Hopefully when/if the double team comes he’ll learn to pass out of them.

    But right now he looks like a bigger and moderately more athletic version of Gallinari. That translates into an “all star caliber” player eventually, but I don’t think it translates into “franchise” player. He’s going to have to become more efficient, a better rebounder, and a better play maker to become a franchise player. That’s a lot of areas to improve.

    Giannis wasn’t really super Giannis until this year when Kidd said “listen kid, this is your team and you will be our first option.” Sorta like how James Harden and Westbrook became triple double machines as soon as their coaches made them the unquestioned #1. I think we’ll see a similar improvement in Porzingis once he gets stronger and becomes the unquestioned big dog in town. Of course, having Melo in town makes that a lot more difficult because egos and what have you. I, for one, am not worried about KP’s eventual growth into a superstar. He’s shown he can rebound when he needs to, and even if he doesn’t ever average more than 9 rebounds/36, he can still be a super efficient/high usage scorer like Dirk was for Dallas all those years.

    His stats look almost identical to Dirk’s at the same age. KP has a clear advantage in blocks and rebounds.

    He also has improved his scoring, cut down on turnovers, and has recovered his free throw shooting to around 80%.

    Iannazzone tweeted that if the Knicks want to rebuild Melo will talk to them about it.

    Someone mentioned something a few days ago that KPs productivity has given us a skewed view of his development. He’s still the biggest project of the draft and has to work on his body more and he’s not as NBA ready as Towns or even Jokic. That being said, he compares similarly to Dirk, Pau, etc. If he hits year four and hasn’t made a leap, we’re in big trouble. Until then, we can remain optimistic.


    Melo on waiving his no-trade: "If they tell me they want to scrap this whole thing, yeah, I have to consider it."— Al Iannazzone (@Al_Iannazzone) January 20, 2017

    I knew Melo was playing coy. More losing is the antidote to his obstinacy. This whole thing is now going to boil down to a battle of pride and will between both Melo and Phil. Neither wants to be the one to admit they want out of this dysfunctional marriage so they will play a game of chicken to see who will be the one that flinches first. Phil should just bite the bullet, admit that both parties should move on from each other, and make this trade happen.

    This team is turning the corner. We can make the playoffs and win a series or two. We shouldn’t give up. We’re gelling.

    Once we trade Melo the next move should be to start Lance in his place. That will really push the tank forward full steam ahead. Rose will either pout or try to take over on offense, which will only serve our purpose even more. A beautiful domino-like chain reaction of tanking will happen to create a lottery pick for us in a stacked draft.

    Seems like Melo just doesn’t want to be a guy who asks for a trade, but isn’t necessarily against a trade itself. If Phil presents it publicly as his idea that Melo was merely amenable to, we could be in business.


    Exactly. You could see it from his veiled commitment when the whole issue broke out. He doesn’t want to admit to leaving but is open to the possibility if the team’s willing to move on without him as #1. Maybe the Lakers would be the best destination. You think they would give us anything we’d want?

    What can the Cavs or Clippers give us for Melo? Not much, I think. I doubt that he goes anywhere else.

    A couple of Reggie gems from last night:

    When the score was 6-4 Knicks: “Kyle O’Quinn is doing it all, what do you think his plus/minus is right now”

    In the 3rd quarter: “Carmelo Anthony has only point in this quarter, and that was from a free throw”

    The Suns want a first rounder for PJ Tucker.
    Magic offered a first rounder and Vucevic for Dragic supposedly.
    Bulls interested in signing Bosh.
    Nuggets looking to trade Nurkic.

    @35 True but why would Melo move to a rebuilding team at this point in his career?

    Magic offered a first rounder and Vucevic for Dragic supposedly.

    Holy Shit. We can offer a KOQ and Rose to those guys.


    The report was that Melo would consider the Cavs and both LA teams. He might not be all that into winning. Dude may just be content to play out his remaining days in a large market with lots of sun.

    I’m perfectly fine if Kp turns into a mini Dirk and a better Gallinari… that would still be a tremendously valuable young player and he’s not going to be able t turn this franchise to a contender alone anyway.

    that’s why i’m so adamant in tanking this season and getting a superb guard to mesh well with him.. he’s a fucking smart young man who will benefit so much from having this sort of reliability in the court


    Agree 100 percent. If he’s not the guy we think he is then we’ll need another young stud to pair him with. I personally think people expect too much from him right now expecting similar career trajectories as Towns, Jokic and Turner. But either way, the sooner we find out the better. So lets begin our rebuild ASAP.

    Wow. I’m probably the only one that hasn’t noticed this yet but Philly has TWO top ten picks right now? So to those yesterday that said they wouldn’t be in Philly’s shoes, how’s this sound:

    – Embiid
    – Simmons
    – Okafor
    – Chasson Randle (doh!)
    – Holmes who I like
    – Stauskas, McConnell, Jerami Grant, and Ilyasova
    – Two top ten picks right now, two second round picks
    – 2018: one first roiunder, at least 3 second rounders
    – 2019: two first rounders, at least three second rounders (one from Knicks for Outlaw-!)
    – 2020: two first rounders, three second rounders (one from Knicks for Hernangomez rights – a good one!)


    @ 41 – YES. People should stop obsessing over whether KP is going to be a franchise player or not. If you get an all-star level player from a top 5 pick its a win in the lottery.

    BTW, we should temper all of this talk about Embiid by stating he’s even more fragile than KP. After two major foot surgeries where he didn’t play the most grueling college basketball schedule, he’s playing around half an NBA season’s worth of games? Just saying…

    Yes, it is very realistic to think the Lakers would trade Brandon Ingram for Carmelo Anthony.

    Man, if Orlando is offering a 1st rounder plus a bigman to get Dragic the Heat have to take that deal.

    I wish we could get in on that by offering Rose.

    Yes, it is very realistic to think the Lakers would trade Brandon Ingram for Carmelo Anthony.

    They’re a pretty incompetent organization, and we’d be taking on Deng’ albatross while giving them a high quality player in Kyle O’Quinn. We could even include our two seconds and maybe a future first, depending.

    He’s also been absolutely awful this year.

    If we can acquire the awful Ingram we can continue the tank indefinitely then.

    Random thought/question: Does anyone know how many players have had NTC’s and is Melo the only non-champion to have had one?

    Only other players I can think/know of are Kobe, Dirk, Lebron.

    I don’t believe Lebron has a no-trade clause. Other players who have had them at various points in their career are Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett and Dwyane Wade.

    In other words, yes, Melo is the only non-champion to ever have one (they’re relatively new in the NBA, though).

    KG’s no-trade clause was actually due to a clause in the CBA about years spent with a team.

    Prettys sure the report was that Melo would only go Cavs and Clippers, not Lakers.

    Either way we need to start catching up to the Sixers with all those 1st round picks they have.

    Remember when defenses of our terrible offseason involved citing the Sixers as a cautionary tale and now literally everyone agrees we need to start Year 1 of the process lol

    KP gets the benefit of for being a young, developing player but Ingram gets written off as awful right of the bat? I’ll admit his numbers are quite shite, but give the dude a break, he’s worth more than Melo on potential alone.

    KP gets the benefit of for being a young, developing player but Ingram gets written off as awful right of the bat? I’ll admit his numbers are quite shite, but give the dude a break, he’s worth more than Melo on potential alone.

    Oh no, I didn’t mean to imply that he was a bust–just that he’s been bad this year and that might unduly influence an incompetent front office like the Lakers’ perception of his actual value.

    But if he doesn’t want to go to the Lakers then it’s a moot point–it can only be Cleveland or LAC or a three way trade w Boston and LAC.

    I live in LA so I catch some Laker games on the teevee now and then. Brandon Ingram consistently looks terrible to me, like a giraffe on ice skates. He seems shockingly uncoordinated for a prospect of his stature.

    Granted, he’s only 19, but he’s pretty brutal to watch, and his stats reflect how unproductive he’s been.

    Rebuilding and tanking aren’t the same thing. The first needs a couple of good players to build around. Tanking needs an empty cup.

    If you trade Melo and let Rose go, you’re rebuilding. If you’re tanking you trade KP and Oaq. Just saying.

    Brandon Ingram got drafted at #2 because he has the same body type as Kevin Durant. That’s it.

    Also, he is not Kevin Durant.

    Silky, are we getting picks in your theoretical trade, or just dumping Melo on whomever will take him?

    Depends. I can’t tell how people perceive Melo around the league, so it’s hard to know whether picks woould be involved or not. I think it’s decent even if it’s a contract dump–it helps our tank and if there’s no better offers around the league (i.e. from LAC) then we might as well–we could add Demetrius Jackson onto our balance sheet too, in that case, probably. Could we maybe grab BK’s 2017 first, or Memphis’ 2019 first, or Cleveland’s first this year? I don’t know.

    howdy jk…i get to catch some of those laker games too…ingram looks pretty lost out there…he’s only 19, but, still, doesn’t look very good…

    what amazes me is that walton still lets russell shoot threes – talk about poor shot selection…he does look like he’s improving though – but, he still looks a couple of years away from being an “impactful” (in a positive way) player…who normally impresses me though when i watch their games is randle…interested to see who ends up really running the team’s offense in a couple of years…

    This is another one, with LAC and Boston:

    in this one, we also cut Sasha and Ndour to make space.

    Possible picks that could come our way could include one of BK 2017 or 2018, Memphis 2019, Minnesota 2nd, or LAC 2nd, depending on Melo’s valuation.

    I have no idea if these are realistic if Melo does get traded but it’s really fun to put these together for some reason.

    Russell and Ingram are both also defensive sieves. If you think it’s easy to get into the paint against the Knicks, you should check out some Laker games. That is some of the most atrocious perimeter defense you’ll ever see.

    Francesa calling for the Wizards to forfeit last night’s game. I’m not going to just sit back and let them cheat us. Get me my Congressman.

    I think Melo’s words were very calculated (rare for him, honestly). “If they want to rebuild, let me know,” when he knows darn well that Phil won’t cop to wanting to rebuild.

    Even if Phil did, I think Melo would then back down and not get traded, but I think he’s currently just screwing with Phil.

    Silky the Matchmaker!

    LA has been pretty adamant about NOT trading Griffin; however, if Melo is in play, they might change their tune. If Melo goes, I really want either a #1 pick or a good young player, plus whatever fodder is necessary. That may not be possible.

    LA has been pretty adamant about NOT trading Griffin; however, if Melo is in play, they might change their tune. If Melo goes, I really want either a #1 pick or a good young player, plus whatever fodder is necessary. That may not be possible.

    They don’t have to move Griffin to land Melo, but they’d have to move Reddick to make it work. I posted this a few days ago:

    We’d get the Clippers’ 2018 first and hopefully another first from Boston. I’d try to hold out for one of the BK picks, but if push came to shove I’d gladly make the trade without one. Everyone sends the Sixers a second to make Crawford’s contract worth their while.

    In that last trade, Brooklyn could take Crawford and the three seconds too. They might be more willing.

    I don’t but he’s better than dirt.

    If we acquire draft picks for 2018 and beyond we’ll be tanking for a long, long time.

    @ 85 – that’s not necessarily true. I would actually look to get a future first from a good team like Cleveland or The Clippers in the hopes that in say 2 to 3 years they might be rebuilding and their pick would be ours and it would be good. Imagine if we draft well with our own picks between now and then, are pretty good and then get to add a lottery pick in 3 or 4 years bc we were wise enough to look to the future now?

    Sidney Lowe was fined $5K and the Wizards were fined $15K for last nights cheating. The league must really hate the Knicks.


    Michael Kay Show YES ? @TMKSonYES
    @stephenasmith on @carmeloanthony “he will be gone by the deadline or by the summer”
    3:20 PM – 20 Jan 2017

    I think the only way to entice the Cavs or Clippers is to trade Blake or Love is if you both refill their coffers with role players and take off some of their bad contracts. Clippers might be a bit more desperate depending on what they know about Blake’s body and his commitment to LA while the Cavs seem kinda nervous about luxury tax issues and so might be pretty happy to get rid of Shumpert and Smith.

    And I think people are ignoring Orlando as a potential third team here. They’ve looked desperate to get back into the playoffs for a couple years now and might trade Gordon to get Kevin Love while Ibaka would be basically perfect for Cleveland with his ability to space the floor and defend. This is my personal favorite for most likely to happen mega super giant trade:

    Here are some other realistic trades IMO:

    1) LAC/Boston: plus a future LAC #1 maybe
    2) Cleveland/Boston: plus maybe Boston’s 2017 pick

    Now what we need from Melo is for him to continue to shoot lights out while we tank. He needs to use the All-Star snub as a motivator and go crazy so that a team is enticed by his play and overlooks how banged up he is.

    I would do that trade in a heartbeat. A HEARTBEAT! Even without high picks coming back

    That’s just what I want to do as a Knick fan. Help the Celtics and Cavs while costing us 13 wins. I know….the tank above all.

    Pistons and Detroit talking about a Rubio/Jackson trade. Per Marc Stein.

    This helps the tank.


    Exactly, we lose 13 extra games to get a higher lottery space and we dump Melo once and for all. Its perfect!

    I’m more worried that Detroit is only a game in front of us. Pistons fans don’t seem to like Reggie that much, I think Rubio helps them pull away from us a little.

    Also lets hope that Dragic to the Magic trade goes down.

    I want no part of Deng’s contract from the Lakers. It might be the second-worst in the league (behind Noah of course). Plus it would give us all three corpses of Thibodeau past in Noah, Rose, and Deng.

    I’d rather just keep Melo than take that on.

    The work HINKIE did in 3 years…. Incredible

    And he got fired for it. So dumb.

    I’m not quite a conspiracy lunatic but I bet the Sixers got the Simmons #1 pick for firing Hinkie. Lotta weird coincidences around winning the draft lottery over the years. New Orleans getting Ant Davis the same year that the NBA sold the franchise, the Cavs’ run of lotto wins after the Decision, even Chicago happening to win the lotto when Rose was there. Any one of these could be a coincidence but taken together it kinda stinks

    Where is Hinkie now and what is he doing? I am sold on “The Process”, even if it takes squandering away a couple more of KP’s early years

    Assuming the Process is “having the longest view in the room” as Hinkie summed it up, you need to trade Porzingis. Two years into his rookie deal, he’s too far ahead of the ideal schedule and is most valuable to the Knicks as a trade asset.

    If Porzingis = 25 cents, Hinkie would trade him for 3 dimes. Don’t ask for the Process if you don’t know what it is

    We are not asking for The Process. Just rational decisions based on performance, likely upside, and value. Sooner or later you have to commit to a team or else The Process is eternal. Like, they already have to make a decision on Noel.

    Oh yeah, totally agree. I don’t want it either. My opinion, you can’t have longer than a 4 year plan if you start from zero. You can plan beyond that but you need to work within the rookie deal of your top guy. They’ve sacrificed two years of that with Embiid and I think the Colangelos are going to make a bad move or two because of that timeline

    The Knicks legitimately only need one more sub 30 win season and they will be well on their way to the top. If Melo can be coaxed into going to Boston (and he can considering how good Boston is and how close they are to the top), here’s a trade I’d pull off and never look back:

    We also get back the Boston/Brooklyn 2017 pick and maybe we can push it and get Boston’s 2018 pick since they already have the Brooklyn 2018. OKC can have Houston’s second round pick. By 2019 we’ll be a 50 win ball club tearing into Boston’s ass behind Lonzo Ball, Alex Abrines, KP, Hernangomez, Jonathan Isaac, Tyus Jones, and Hamidou Diallo.

    @100 – I love that trade! Boban and KP side by side? Are you kidding me? And yeah, Rubio, who when healthy, I really like. But Rubio could be an injury disaster waiting to happen and he’s signed for 2 more years after this. But it might be worth the risk.

    If Phil pulls off a deal that ships Melo out for that unprotected Nets pick that Boston owns, I’ll take back every bad thing I ever said about him.

    He won’t doe

    We don’t need to undergo a radical Hinkie-like process to rebuild. We do need to identify a core to build around and work towards that end with low end picks. It will take a few years, but the point will be:

    1. To develop a talented, coachable group anchored by at least one star that will play together for years.
    2. To clear out enough cap room for flexibility in the offseason.
    3. To create a team enticing enough to attract a big FA name in the future (like KAT).

    As always, the thing that kills me if that the Knicks already did what is typically the hardest part of a rebuild – finding a young star to base the team on. That’s the fear about rebuilding through the draft, that you won’t get anyone good (the other fear is not applicable to the Knicks, which is getting a star and then feeling like you have to build a winner quickly before he leaves through free agency, which is what led to the Pelicans and Kings making some ill-thought-out “win soon” moves). And the Knicks already succeeded there!


    I agree Brian. Its also the reason why I am so gung-ho about tanking ASAP. We’ve already accomplished the hard part by getting a very unique, high-ceiling talent in KP who has already shown great promise early into his career. His very presence makes Melo’s days numbered by virtue of the potential he poses for the future since our present is another year of sub-.500 basketball. Now’s the time to develop this squad. The longer we wait to build around KP the longer we put off our future progress. Getting guys like Ntilikina or (pre-injury) Anunoby will help provide the core for a potentially dominant defensive unit in the future. We’re so close if we can get the other complimentary pieces.

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