Knicks Morning News (2016.06.13)

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Warriors’ Draymond Green Suspended for Game 5 After LeBron James Episode (Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:09:26 GMT)

    After reviewing the game, the N.B.A. assessed a flagrant foul against Green for striking James in the groin. That call triggered the punishment because of other playoff violations by Green.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Star Draymond Green Suspended for Game 5 (Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:06:59 GMT)

    Through all of the criticism and accusations of dirty play, Draymond Green vowed to keep pushing as hard as he possibly could to help deliver another championship to Golden State.

  • [New York Times] Tensions Rise Between Warriors and Cavs After Green Suspended (Mon, 13 Jun 2016 00:57:28 GMT)

    With the Golden State Warriors a victory away from winning a second straight NBA Championship over the Cleveland Cavaliers, tension between the teams hit fever pitch on Sunday on the eve of Game Five over the Draymond Green suspension for his flagrant fouls.

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    1. from the last thread:

      I think [Gordon]’s a good buy low candidate in the RoLo mold (except no metric besides PER I’m guessing has ever ranked EG as a good player) and at the very least he would be a better version of Afflalo without the post game hijacking of an offense.

      Maybe I’m in the minority but I don’t think Afflalo’s post game was the problem. He was legit one of the best post players in the entire league at 1.03 PPP (90th percentile). His problem was one of coaching (i.e. – someone tell him he is not Michael Jordan at the end of games so stop shooting like you are) and defense. I mean, his defense was probably even worse than Calderon. He was blown by off the dribble regularly, fell asleep on his man 50x/game giving up open 3’s or backdoor cuts, etc.

      I hope to God he opts out — because he has serious mismatch between who he IS at the point in his career (15-20 min bench player at most) vs. who he thinks he is (“elite 2 guard”) — even though at $8MM he’s actually not a bad value in the new cap world, especially since he expires next summer.

      Like Z-man pushing Kay Felder, I’m going to keep pushing ETwaun Moore. Defends, hits 3’s, has some playmaking ability (has averaged as much as 4.4 assists/36, career average = 3.3/36), and at 6’4″ can guard both backcourt positions. He’s coming off an injury so maybe will be a bit under the radar. And at 27 you’d be paying for prime years.

    2. I like Moore, but I think there’s a decent chance that Galloway can develop in to producing that type of production and I don’t think Moore is dynamic enough off the bounce or would be able to up his usage enough to what I’d want from him offensively as a starting 2. If we signed him though, I’d be fine with that. He’s a solid NBA player and even with his limitations we could do a lot worse than that.

    3. I don’t think Moore is dynamic enough off the bounce or would be able to up his usage enough to what I’d want from him offensively as a starting 2.

      Well how many shots do you think will be available between KP, Melo, and Westbrook?

      Seriously though- we need dudes who can make an outside shot and guys who can guard. For what would hopefully be his price, I’d rather have him than pretty much any of the more prominent 2s.

    4. For what would hopefully be his price, I’d rather have him than pretty much any of the more prominent 2s.

      I get where you’re coming from, but I’m willing to “overpay” some of the more prominent 2 guards this summer, at least up to a certain level, because with the cap due to jump again next summer some of those deals will probably look okay a year from now even if the raw dollar total now looks extreme.

      Like I said though, I’d be fine with signing Moore, I just think we shouldn’t expect him to add any dynamism offensively to the team. We still would be depending on Grant and Wroten to develop in to capable enough PGs for that this season.

    5. We still would be depending on Grant and Wroten to develop in to capable enough PGs for that this season.

      Honestly i think that’s what we will be doing when it’s all said and done. Short of Conley coming here for less than the max, I can’t imagine we will be signing a difference-making PG. And given our lack of good trade assets that I’d be willing to part with, I don’t think any are coming through the trade market either.

    6. The thing that surprised me about Afflalo was that he came off like a headcase. He was OK at the start of the year on offense, he did shoot 38% from 3, and he is good in the post. I wonder if he was told at the start of the season that he was the #2 scoring option? I don’t recall him being a chucker in Denver or Portland.

      I think he opts in if he thinks he can’t make $8M elsewhere, which is a real possibility. I hope he opts out. But, if he dos not, I wonder if Frank is right and good coaching could make him valuable, as a backup 2.

    7. It’s not that I think Afflalo is bad at posting up. I just HAAAATTEEE it when he hijacks the offense to post somebody up. It’s exactly like you said, Frank. He thinks he’s an elite 2 in this league and he’s much closer to league average than elite. His overvaluing of himself is bad for the offense at times. I’d like to upgrade him if we can, but if we can’t he’s not a bad candidate for another 2,000 minutes at $8M compared to what is out there.

    8. Affalo should be a goner. He did not take well to being moved to the bench, although he would be a nice 6th or 7th man for many teams. He was a stat chaser with the Knicks. Pointz.

    9. Afflalo is precisely what we do not need. He’s a slow, zero-D player that’s just about at replacement player level. The Knicks must find a defensive-minded SG that can light it up from beyond the arc and a point guard that is fast, can prevent penetration, can penetrate himself and run an offense. I remain hopeful about Grant but think he still needs a year of seasoning. I am hopeful about Wrotten, but he’s a wild card. It would be ideal if they were the options off the bench and got to play together a lot. As for starters, we must up the ante.

      You’ve all convinced me that Rondo is a selfish pain-in-the-ass. I predict that the Knicks will either land Conley or settle for Rajon at the point (no matter what anyone here says). Fallback options are Brandon Jennings (if his Achilles has healed), Seth Curry or Austin Rivers. At the 2-guard position, the big fish is DeRozen, but the odds are stacked against landing him. I would back up the Brinks truck for him. After that, Batum, Turner and Bazemore are good second tier options.

    10. We are getting closer every day to becoming a real basketball force. Can’t you just feel it?

    11. Fallback options are Brandon Jennings (if his Achilles has healed), Seth Curry or Austin Rivers. At the 2-guard position, the big fish is DeRozen, but the odds are stacked against landing him. I would back up the Brinks truck for him. After that, Batum, Turner and Bazemore are good second tier options.

      No thanks to Brandon Jennings – Achilles or not, the dude just cannot shoot. We have enough no-shoot PGs right now. And neither does he have a reputation for defense.

      Seth Curry is meh to me. Yes, he’s a great shooter, but not sure if he moves the needle. At a good price, sure. But he’s restricted.

      Austin Rivers – doubt his dad will let him get away. I wouldn’t be 100% opposed. Still young, lots of athleticism. But it would take a big offer to get him away from Pop Rivers.

      DeRozan – another meh. Volume shooter. Not a great defender. Will prob get a max offer. No thanks.

      Turner, Bazemore, Batum – yes yes and yes

      Have I mentioned ETwaun Moore? Just checking.

    12. We also shouldn’t totally rule out Bradley Beal or as #9 mentioned Derozan. If we got a big fish at SG I would have no problem going with Grant, Calderon, Wroten and Gallo at the point (plus any other pick ups). Great PGs will be plentiful next year. plus Phil doesn’t value them as highly as others.

      So my wish list has Durant, Derozan, Fournier, Batum, Beal, Barnes, Clarkson maybe Crabbe and Bazemore, Turner on it at various rates of pay.

    13. The best shooting guard on the market is Nic Batum. DeRozan and Beal are both overrated volume scorers who will be signing max deals this summer. Let’s try not to sign those guys.

      I like Rondo though. My only apprehension with him is if he will actually push the tempo.

    14. The Celtics appear to be actively shopping the #3 pick. Seems like a fairly weak draft with good possibilities in the 2nd round.

    15. Never forget:

      https://streamable.com/b742

      I know that Austin Rivers is only in the league because of nepotism, but I read about his relationship with his dad and they are definitely not as close as you’d expect. Sounds like Doc was quite the absentee father during his time in the league. Plus, Austin is fucking terrible at basketball.

    16. lol that video of Austin Rivers is awesome. Does a terrible job on D then falls on his face. Hilarious.

    17. My apprehensions about Rondo are that he can’t shoot, seems like a prima Donna, and has been a horrible teammate with a bad attitude his last 2 stops. Besides that I’m all in on NY signing him.

    18. My apprehensions about Rondo are that he can’t shoot, seems like a prima Donna, and has been a horrible teammate with a bad attitude his last 2 stops. Besides that I’m all in on NY signing him.

      and he doesn’t try on defense anymore.

    19. re:Barnes (from the last thread), I don’t really like the thought of it much for NY, but maxing Barnes gives more bang for the buck than giving similar money to guys like Crabbe and Bazemore. He’s young, versatile, can defend, and has upside.

      He doesn’t help the guard situation, but the Knicks shouldn’t really be building on need right now. They should be trying to acquire the best players available. Barnes is a free agent that may actually be available, unlike most of the FA’s we’ve been talking about, because I can see Golden State’s reluctance at adding that much payroll to their already luxurious roster.

      I think the defense he offers is more valuable than the shooting a guy like Crabbe offers, and Barnes has more offensive upside than those middling guards do.

      That said, if I was Dred for GM, I’d probably sit out this summer altogether as I think there are going to be nothing but bad deals to be had. As bad deals go, though, Barnes could very well end up being the least bad of them in retrospect.

    20. That said, if I was Dred for GM, I’d probably sit out this summer altogether as I think there are going to be nothing but bad deals to be had.

      Outside of the THJ for Grant deal, sitting out on signing any major free agents this offseason would be the most impressive thing Phil Jackson has ever done as a GM (even more impressive than smartly over-paying for RoLo and drafting KP at #4, as the first one was kind of easy, really, when you’re offering more than anyone else and the second one, KP was the highest-ranked player on the draft board when the Knicks picked – still both excellent moves, of course, I liked both of them a lot, I just don’t think as excellent as having the fortitude to pass on the bad deals being handed out this summer). Here’s to hoping it actually happens!

    21. My apprehensions about Rondo are that he can’t shoot, seems like a prima Donna, and has been a horrible teammate with a bad attitude his last 2 stops. Besides that I’m all in on NY signing him….AND HE DOESN’T TRY ON DEFENSE ANYMORE. – There, I fixed it

      @19 re: H Barnes – I agree, he would seem to be a much better all around long term choice, even with the higher price tag, than Crabbe, Bazemore etc… at slightly less $$$

    22. By the way, calling a gay referee a gay slur is a bit worse than just having a bad attitude. The guy’s an asshole.

    23. I think Phil should look to bring back Gallo, Dwill and Lance. Just bite the bullet on Calderon cause off the bench he won’t be as bad. Hope that AA opts out and then get one decently good FA like he did with Rolo on a longer term deal. Like a slight overpay for a guard who is youngish and can be part of the long term solution but isn’t a huge overpay cause unless its Durant or Lebron they aren’t worth it. Who that is I don’t know. But look for a solid starter who can be here the next 3 or 4 years. Then find another DWill type signing or two. Young player who has the skills but maybe hasn’t been super successful yet.

      I believe there can be a tipping point with the team where we become very good. getting a better coach and having KP, Grant, and Gallo all improve can net us 5 or 6 more wins easily. Getting a good guard to replace AA can add a few more. Hope that continuity and Melo shooting better adds a few more.

    24. Lance’s cap hold is pretty small, about $2 million, and then they can go over the cap to re-sign him for up to the MLE. And that’s only if they use up all of their cap space on other players. So I think they’ll be able to bring him back.

    25. How much is the MLE?

      Also, good luck to Nate Robinson on his Seahwaks tryout. Probably too late, but it’d be cool if he pulled it off.

    26. I think Phil should look to bring back Gallo, Dwill and Lance..

      Why are people here enamored with Galloway here, other than the fact he was found on the scrap heap. His TS% is poor and he shoots as many 16ft to the 3pt line jumpers (at 27.8%) as he does at the rim.

      If he’s a rotation mainstay, your team sucks eggs. As the 9-12 man on the roster…. he’s worth that sort of cheap contract, nothing more.

      D will at least has the sense to take the majority of his shots at the rim attacking the basket. He has some reasonable value.

      Lance Thomas was a major reason the Knicks were ~ .500 half way through the season. I’d like to keep him and see how he progresses at reasonable money.

    27. Langston Galloway is better, and younger, than Lance Thomas. He also takes more shots at the rim. At worst he’s a good 3rd guard we can probably retain on a team friendly contract.

      Tell me again how Cole Aldrich sucks because he makes the minimum and only plays against backups

    28. I never said I was “enamored” with him. Just that we should bring him back. I like that we found him. I like that he’s a D-League guy who has worked his butt off to get where he is. I like that he seems to be somewhat “clutch” and doesn’t shy away from bigger moments. He’s not great but he’s still young and can still improve and he’s someone we found from nowhere. And we can probably bring him back for cheapish.

    29. Tell me again how Cole Aldrich sucks because he makes the minimum and only plays against backups

      Cole Aldrich sucked not because coaches didn’t give him a chance or he was talentless, but because he took himself 6 NBA seasons to bother to get himself into reasonable facsimile of NBA shape and cost himself about 40 Million in the process.

      What metric describes Galloway as anything other than a low salaried NBA player? At least the “cole train” could put up numbers in 90 second bursts til he decided to actually work at his job a little bit.

    30. I just read that Ognjen Kuzmic will play for our summer league team. It’s just beginning!!

      Ognjen Kuzmic agreed to play for the New York Knicks at the Orlando Summer League, agent said.— David Pick (@IAmDPick) June 13, 2016

    31. He’s not great but he’s still young and can still improve and he’s someone we found from nowhere. And we can probably bring him back for cheapish.

      This is my point. The Knicks shouldn’t put any measure of “We found him from out of nowhere” into the equation. Nor does “He is one of our guys” or in other cases “We drafted him” come into play. No room for sentimentality…. this is a business and the Knicks should be in the business of finding the 15 best players available at the best , reasonable prices.

      Somebody please point me to the group of metrics that says Galloway is anything other than a fringe rotation player. At a low salary he is an OK player for a limited roll.

    32. Look at Galloways defensive play type metrics on the NBA.com/stats and he grades out well. He also rates highly in DRPM.

      If Galloway can develop in to a 37% three point shooter then he’s very valuable. You could contend that his inability to do so his first 2 years in the league allows the Knicks to bet low on the type of improvement many players have made historically.

      Keeping Galloway on relatively reasonable contract is a no brainer.

    33. Langston Galloway also rebounds and passes well for an off guard as well as being a guy with a low turnover rate. His TS% sucks, but every other part of his game is good. He’s also a good three point shooter and an okay free throw shooter so I’d have to believe that part of his game will improve.

    34. Bob, what metrics do you look at? How do you determine that Galloway is a ‘fringe rotation’ guy? What is a fringe rotation guy? Do you mean a fringe guy on a good team? On a bad team? Are those actually the same thing?

    35. Among guards who played 500+ minutes, Galloway was 64th in the league in WS/48, which I’d argue somewhat undervalues his play. But even if it overvalues what he does . . .there are 60 starting guards in the league. That should be a rotation guy. Given his age, he should improve a bit. Given his skill set, better coaching should be able to get more production out of him.

    36. If teams talk themselves into Lance’s 3-point shooting being legit he could easily get more than 6 million a year.

    37. True. It’s a possibility. Not a particularly likely one, I don’t think, but it is a possibility. This offseason could be a crazy one.

    38. I think Phil is going to give Lance a player friendly 2 year deal at the full early Bird Rights the Knicks can give him with a 2nd year player option. If he balls out again, then he can cash in on a ballooned cap and the Knicks would have full Bird rights on him while he’s on a cheap cap hold and if he sucks, he still has another year of around $6m coming to him with the chance to up his value again.

    39. Bob, what metrics do you look at? How do you determine that Galloway is a ‘fringe rotation’ guy? What is a fringe rotation guy?

      I try to look at the overall package. For a guy that plays mostly the point, he does protect the ball well, but per 36 minutes he doesn’t get many assists, doesn’t penetrate well, doesn’t finish well at the rim (on the rare occasions he actually gets there,), only get to the like 2 times per 36 minutes, his true shooting is borderline abysmal, he shoots way to many long 2’s and shoots mediocre from 3.

      To paraphrase the great Kinky Freidman from “They Ain’t Making Jews Like Jesus Anymore”…. Is there anything that I have missed?

      A point guard’s job is to initiate the offense, put pressure on the opposing defense and make good decisions with the ball. Galloway has no skill to put pressure on the defense. He’s not quick enough to penetrate well nor is his handle good enough, and on the rare occasion he does penetrate, he isn’t a strong finisher. He isn’t a good enough 3 ball shooter to make the defense fear him to improve spacing for the bigs.

      He doesn’t have a point guard’s skill set and isn’t big enough or a good enough scorer to play the 2 any better.

      Is he by far the Knick’s best back court defender, for sure, but compared to Afflalo and Calderon….

      It’s not like any NBA team says…”shit…. they are bringing Galloway into the game to shut (insert brand name backcourt player here) down!!!”

      A fringe rotation player is your 9th or less player on a .500 team. Most teams play a 9-10 man rotation of meaningful minutes on a nightly basis, so the 9th and 10 guys are on the fringe of the rotation

      If he is your first guard off the bench, you have a lousy team

    40. Bob I would counter that continuity is important to a teams long term success so picking another player similar or even slightly better than Galloway could mean the team takes a step back. Also the Knicks historically ship guys away who then go on to have better careers elsewhere. We need to keep guys In house and develop them ourselves so that we reap the rewards of their inprovement. How would you feel if Galloway leaves and he takes the next step this season somewhere else?

    41. Bottom line is we have a lot of ifs or maybes in our backcourt. I want Phil to get us at least one stud this offseason. If he has to spend to do it that’s just fine by me.

    42. For a guy that plays mostly the point

      He played 1311 of his 2033 minutes last year next to Jose and Grant who were the point guards. That’s basically 2/3 of his minutes where he wasn’t playing the point.

      doesn’t finish well at the rim

      I agree he was a below average finisher at only 58% at the rim last year while league average was around 60.5%. He did improve tremendously from only 50% at the rim his rookie season. Players get better finishing at the rim, like they do at other areas of their game. Steph Curry and Damian Lillard are two guys that have improved tremendously in this area.

      He isn’t a good enough 3 ball shooter to make the defense fear him to improve spacing for the bigs.

      He shot 34.4% from 3 this past season and 34.8% for his career now. Many players have improved their shooting and Galloway has a pretty decent starting point at only 24 years old. Lance Thomas turned himself in to a plus 3 point shooter after being a poor perimeter shooter for much longer than Galloway. This isn’t a given, but it can happen.

      It’s not like any NBA team says…”shit…. they are bringing Galloway into the game to shut (insert brand name backcourt player here) down!!!”

      This means nothing. He grades out as a plus defender in many different shot types, DRPM, defensive on/off, etc. He’s not a lockdown level defender, but throw him on a team that isn’t consistently pairing him with huge negative defensive backcourt partners like Afflalo or Vujacic and he’ll be fine.

      If he is your first guard off the bench, you have a lousy team

      Last I checked you need 2 guards off your bench.

      Nobody’s talking about breaking the bank to keep him, but holding on to him on a cheap deal is a no brainer decision. He’s about 2 percentage points away on his 3 ball from being a clear plus rotation player.

    43. While I think Galloway is a perfectly acceptable back-up on a decent team, the Knicks are bad enough that- unless he’s signing for just a year at somewhere much closer to the minimum than the MLE- they might be better off giving his roster spot to someone with more upside (though I don’t mean Tony Wroten). His stat breakdown at 82games if pretty concerning- he was much better at both ends when playing point but a point guard who can’t get into the paint, reliably run the pnr, or run a fast break really isn’t a point guard- even as a back-up. He does shoot corner threes well and maybe a new system which emphasizes that as his offensive role could pay dividends but the Knicks need to find guys who are going move the needle and they might be better off taking a risk on a guy who might wind up moving the needle the wrong way than using a roster spot/game minutes on a guy who isn’t going to move the needle either way.

    44. @ESPNSteinLine: Story going online now with @chadfordinsider: Wolves making No. 5 overall pick available in hopes of tempting Bulls into Jimmy Butler trade

      The number 5 pick in a weak draft for Butler? Even if Bulls management doesn’t like the guy, MIN would have to pony up more.

    45. galloway is a lot like fisher…. he never did anything particularly well besides play defense… he just kind of kept the ball moving, hit open shots and play good defense… galloway can be a lot like that and if he’s your backup guard i think you’d do pretty well…

      that being said i don’t think you would ever get heartbroken letting those guys go and the presence of grant kind of complicates things as well as the lack of FA pg’s after conley…. if we resign galloway i’d imagine we struck out on conley…

      probably in the minority on this but i wouldnt want thomas back.. if he’s not a 40% 3pt shooter i don’t think he actually provides anything…. his defense i think is a bit overstated also…. if he was on another team and we gave him 5mm i think everyone would balk at him…

    46. I’d like to interrupt your daily Knickerbloggering to bring you today’s HOT TAKE.

      So Kyle O’Quinn is in Latvia with none other than the Latvian wonder Kristaps Porzingis. This should show you what kind of leader we have in KP; he saw the problems KO was going through in New York and said “hey bro come fly out to Latvia. We can work out and get your mind off of the legal issues for now.” Not only that, but KP has been working out 4 hours a day six days a week this off season. This kid is a leader, a hard worker, and most importantly he’s a rough ryder. This is the kind of guy that will lead us into the promise land.

    47. The Bulls are more likely to trade Derrick Rose than Jimmy Butler. Rose is an expiring contract in a weak FA year when next year’s FA class is more promising, and Butler is much better than anyone currently under contract for the Bulls. I highly doubt they trade Jimmy Buckets.

    48. I think Phil is going to give Lance a player friendly 2 year deal at the full early Bird Rights the Knicks can give him with a 2nd year player option. If he balls out again, then he can cash in on a ballooned cap and the Knicks would have full Bird rights on him while he’s on a cheap cap hold and if he sucks, he still has another year of around $6m coming to him with the chance to up his value again.

      I generally agree with that, but the thing is that you only give out that deal if you’re capped out, right? If not, then you could afford to give him, say, 2 years/$14 million with the second year a player option. So are you working under the impression that the Knicks are going to use up all of their cap room on other free agents? If so, I think you’re right, but I was just wondering where you were coming from on that point.

    49. 82 games has Galloway as a point guard whenever he’s playing with anyone who isn’t Calderon, so I don’t know how accurate that is (especially since he was also sort of the point guard when he was playing with Calderon)

    50. He’s about 2 percentage points away on his 3 ball from being a clear plus rotation player.

      I am a little mystified that a guy who has a TS% of .490 is considered a serious rotation player on a stat -centric board. He might improve and become a worthwhile piece but his 0.77 ws/48 books him as a significantly below average nba player and that is precisely what he is today.

      Galloway isn’t the end of the world, regardless…..

    51. The Bulls are more likely to trade Derrick Rose than Jimmy Butler. Rose is an expiring contract in a weak FA year when next year’s FA class is more promising, and Butler is much better than anyone currently under contract for the Bulls. I highly doubt they trade Jimmy Buckets.

      What team would even want Rose? I mean I think Phil being the Pres. rules out another Bargnani disaster so that takes out the Bulls best chance at trading Rose right there.

      Minny and Boston would be my two top teams that would have the pieces to get Butler. Also, I wonder if Minny would go after Harrison Barnes? It would kind of like bringing in a spot up shooting version of Wiggins.

    52. So are you working under the impression that the Knicks are going to use up all of their cap room on other free agents?

      Yeah, that’s my assumption. Obviously could be wrong about that, but that would be the best thing for the Knicks imo and maybe even for Lance. You just hope that Phil doing stuff like throwing him a little extra $$ last summer when he didn’t need to and the team not putting a minutes limit on Galloway to keep his cap hold lower buys him some credit with those guys and gets notices by agents and players around the league. I’m a believer that things like that can pay dividends down the road.

      @50

      I agree. Losing Galloway wouldn’t be a disaster, but he’s a solid player that to a certain price makes sense to bring back.

    53. If Minnesota offered 5th pick, LaVine and Dieng would you do it if you’re the Bulls?

    54. All of this talk about the Bulls’ needing to rebuild is nonsense IMO. They need a new center and a new point guard, but they already have Butler, McDermott, Mirotic, and Portis in the fold. That’s a great young group of players. They will be fine when they move on from Derrick Rose, and they still play in the 3rd largest market in the country so free agents will go to Chicago. The Bulls could sign Whiteside this summer, grab up Westbrook or Chris Paul next year and win 65 games with a starting five of Paul/Westbrook, Butler, McDermott, Mirotic, and Whiteside. They are in a great spot, and trading Butler pushes them further from the goal.

    55. You don’t take LaVine, Dieng, and the number 5 because all of those parts are likely to never give you as many wins as Jimmy Butler will. He’s also underpaid considering the way the salary cap is rising. There is no way I trade that guy. None whatsoever.

    56. What team would even want Rose?

      Once the free agent period comes and goes, some teams may still be needing to reach the salary floor, so there could be takers for Rose. Lakers, Sixers, Celtics, and Wizards could all have space to add a giant short term contract when it’s all said and done. Rose is famous, and has some upside if all you are paying for him is US dollars and not young players/future draft picks.

    57. There is no way I trade that guy. None whatsoever.

      What if I gave you a hundred bucks?

      Seriously, you’re right though. His deal is an insane value with the cap jumping. Unless they get a crazy godfather offer they can’t do it.

    58. You don’t take LaVine, Dieng, and the number 5

      You do if you’re the Knicks and they offer that for Melo!

      Or if you are the Bulls and you are rebuilding.

      But if the Bulls aren’t ready to hit the reset button then they should keep Butler because he is probably the 2nd best two-guard in the league, and there’s no reason why they can’t compete in the east with him as the focal point of their franchise.

    59. My point is that any objective evaluation of the Bulls would show you that just because the Bulls aren’t close to a title doesn’t mean that they need to start from scratch. Their foundation going forward is Butler, McDermott, Mirotic, and Portis. They’re all under 28 years old right now and they’re a team with cap space, a really big market, iconic jerseys, and a great fanbase. If they make a good pick with the #14 pick and make some good free agent signings there is no reason to believe they won’t win 50 games this season unless Derrick Rose plays another unproductive 2,000 minutes of basketball. His athleticism seems to be coming back after the eye and knee issues so I’d say he trends closer to league average. The Bulls are in a good spot.

    60. Yeah, you really can’t win in this league when you have a 30+ USG% guy who posts a sub .500 TS%. A replacement level player instead of Rose and the Bulls win 50 games.

    61. The thing with trading Jimmy Butler is there are like 3 or 4 really good shooting guards in the NBA. You don’t trade one of those guys for a solid big, a terrible guard and a mid lotto pick in a weak draft. That’s a clown trade bro. Clown trade.

    62. While I agree, I also agree that it doesn’t hurt to throw out trade ideas like that if you’re the Wolves. “We’re looking to get Jimmy Butler with this pick, but okay, I guess we’ll settle for Danilo Gallinari” or whoever.

    63. You have got to love how douchy we are as a society that Kevin Love trends on Twitter after that game and Lebron does not.

    64. Adam Silver and Kiki Vendeweghe are lighting up cigars right now saying “I love when a plan comes together.”

    65. Hah! I said the other day that this was awfully suspicious, but I dunno, was there seriously a way for them to say that what Green did didn’t warrant a technical? If he gets a technical, he’s suspended a game automatically. So how could they have gotten around that?

    66. Green didn’t get a technical. Kiki decided to call it a flagrant foul two days later. The refs didn’t call anything on the play.

      In the play, Green was trying to get up but LeBron was standing over him. If Cleveland had won the game, I think there was a zero% chance Green is suspended.

      Somehow, come finals time, the NBA league office always finds a way to seem as morally righteous as FIFA, and as impartial to outcome as the Chicago Black Sox.

      It’s a problem, I think. The league has so many subjective elements and so many rules of ex post facto review that its integrity is always going to be questioned (and where there’s smoke…)

    67. I dunno, in the OKC case, they called the same type of thing a flagrant, as well. They just didn’t outright suspend him. I don’t see how you could give a flagrant for the OKC one and not one for the Lebron one.

      That said, sure, I agree with you, the League is far, far from beyond reproach on stuff like this.

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