Knicks Morning News (2016.03.24)

  • [New York Newsday] LeBron James dreams of teaming up with Carmelo Anthony & Co. (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 02:21:02 EDT)

    CHICAGO — LeBron James would like to play on the same team as Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade and Chris Paul before his career is over. Anthony said he's in, and it wouldn't be in New York.

  • [New York Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis' double-double leads Knicks over Bulls (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 02:14:34 EDT)

    CHICAGO — Carmelo Anthony was back after a one-game absence with a migraine and Kristaps Porzingis returned to the player he was earlier this season.

  • [New York Times] Notre Dame and Syracuse Only Schools Still in Both Tourneys (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:36:31 GMT)

    When Jim Boeheim leads Syracuse into the Sweet 16 on Friday night against Gonzaga, he’ll be in uncharted territory as his 40th season winds down. Boeheim’s Orange are playing on the second weekend of the NCAA Tournament, and so are the Syracuse women — for the first time in program history.

  • [New York Times] Curry Leads the Way in Warriors’ 51st Straight Home Win (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:18:33 GMT)

    When Stephen Curry pulls out his mouth guard and lets it fly in the very way he shoots from anywhere on the court, you know the MVP is really mad.

  • [New York Times] Curry and Thompson Break Open Close Game as Warriors Continue Run (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:15:27 GMT)

    Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson combined for 18 third-quarter points, allowing the Golden State Warriors to break open a close game en route to a 114-98 victory over the rival Los Angeles Clippers.

  • [New York Times] Bryant Scores 17 in Phoenix Finale but Lakers Lose Again (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:54:33 GMT)

    Kobe Bryant said farewell to Phoenix on Wednesday night, scoring 17 points cheered on by a loud, pro-Laker crowd, but Los Angeles lost to the Suns 119-107.

  • [New York Times] Favors’ Dunk Lifts Jazz Over Rockets 89-87 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:51:31 GMT)

    The Utah Jazz didn’t take much time to celebrate overtaking the Houston Rockets for the final spot in the Western Conference playoff standings.

  • [New York Times] Leonard Matches Career High With 32, Spurs Beat Heat 112-88 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:48:35 GMT)

    The San Antonio Spurs nearly suffered a major misstep on their march to making league history.

  • [New York Times] Trail Blazers Hold On to Beat Mavericks 109-103 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:45:31 GMT)

    Damian Lillard had 27 points and six assists, Ed Davis scored all of his 16 points in the first half and the Portland Trail Blazers beat the Dallas Mavericks 109-103 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Porzingis Ties Career High With 29, Knicks Top Bulls 115-107 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:09:53 GMT)

    Kristaps Porzingis had no sense that he was in for a special night when he went up for his first dunk in the first quarter.

  • [New York Times] Mudiay’s Buzzer-Beater Gives Nuggets 104-103 Win Over 76ers (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:00:45 GMT)

    Emmanuel Mudiay made a 35-footer at the buzzer to finish with 27 points and give the Denver Nuggets a 104-103 victory over the Philadelphia 76ers on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Porzingis Scores 29, Tying Career High, as Knicks Top Bulls (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:59:16 GMT)

    Kristaps Porzingis and Carmelo Anthony helped build a 22-point second-half lead for the Knicks, who held on to win, 115-107, in Chicago.

  • [New York Times] Towns, Timberwolves Beat Slumping Kings, 113-104 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:42:53 GMT)

    The Minnesota Timberwolves had their Wildcat center. The Sacramento Kings were missing theirs.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Return Favor, Beat Wizards (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:42:27 GMT)

    Atlanta had its five-game winning streak snapped Monday by the Washington Wizards. In the conclusion of a home-and-home set against their Southeast Division rival, the Hawks were motivated to return the favor.

  • [New York Times] Pistons Cruise to 4th Straight Win, 118-102 Over Magic (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:03:49 GMT)

    If the Detroit Pistons had played this well last season, they would have sailed into the playoffs without much trouble.

  • [New York Times] LeBron, Love Lead Drama-Less Cavaliers Past Bucks 113-104 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 02:45:44 GMT)

    The only drama was guessing when Kyrie Irving would cut into his birthday cake.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Get ‘Revenge’ by Beating Wizards 122-101 (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 02:36:36 GMT)

    Fresh off the pain of losing by 15 at home to the Washington Wizards, the Atlanta Hawks couldn’t afford another disappointment. With every other team in the thick of the Eastern Conference playoff picture winning, the Hawks were plenty motivated to bounce back.

  • [New York Times] Thomas Scores 23, Celtics Beat Raptors 91-79 as Lowry Rests (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 02:18:52 GMT)

    Isaiah Thomas scored 23 points, Evan Turner added 17 and the Boston Celtics beat the Toronto Raptors 91-79 on Wednesday night.

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Thursday's Knicks Links: Porzingis snaps out of his slump (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 05:25:33 EST)

    Thursday's Knicks Links: Porzingis snaps out of his slump

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] LeBron ponders superteam with Melo, CP3, Wade (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 00:36:22 EST)

    LeBron ponders superteam with Melo, CP3, Wade

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Carmelo Anthony: 'I have unfinished business to take care of' in New York (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 00:29:08 EST)

    Carmelo Anthony: 'I have unfinished business to take care of' in New York

  • [New York Daily News] Kristaps Porzingis, Carmelo Anthony power Knicks past Bulls (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 05:21:50 GMT)

    Kristaps Porzingis finally had a breakout game under Kurt Rambis.

  • [New York Daily News] Carmelo Anthony not ‘warm’ to LeBron James’ plan (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 04:55:53 GMT)

    Anthony was informed that LeBron raised the possibility of “The Brotherhood” becoming teammates.

  • [New York Daily News] Kurt Rambis, Mike Breen offer best wishes to Craig Sager (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 01:38:59 GMT)

    Craig Sager continues to receive the support of the entire NBA community.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Carmelo, LeBron and the Brotherhood could team up (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 01:00:45 GMT)

    Last Summer, LeBron James found a float in the Bahamas big enough for himself, Carmelo Anthony, Dwyane Wade and Chris Paul.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Melo’s Knicks face harsher reality than LeBron’s Cavs (Thu, 24 Mar 2016 00:45:05 GMT)

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    92 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.03.24)”

    1. This is an apropos time to reveal what will happen this summer because we’re playing Chicago. Next season will be make or break for the Triangle and Phil’s legacy. Instead of building for the future, Phil will go all in on the present. Pay no attention to what Phil says about defense, it’s ALL about the Triangle. Exhibit 1: Calderon/Afflalo/Vujacic/Seraphin Exhibit 2: Fisher/Rambis Exhibit 3: Phil’s recent words that knowledge of the Triangle is not paramount but very important.

      Here’s our roster:
      Starters..Teague/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Pau (30m for 2 years)
      Bench…..Noah/Grant/Galloway/Lance

      Team makes the playoffs. Everyone praises Phil. Phil opts out, claims he changed the culture, goes to LA, . Future is less bright than it could have been after having loaded up on aging “win now” players. Trademark Knicks.

    2. Since Boban Marjanovic is a FA this summer, does anyone else think the Spurs are purposely limiting his minutes to sign him to a long-term deal? The dude is a machine. 14 minutes, 19 points on 12 true shot attempts. No turnovers, 1 foul, 4 rebounds (3 off.) and a steal. Yet his PPG is only something like 4.8 because they rarely play him.

      This dude is going to end up scoring 30 points a game if he plays anything even close to starter minutes.

    3. I do. At least a little. Just sign Boban and Whiteside and Rambis can play KP at the 2 and Eddie lee Wilkins at the 1 and i won’t even complain.

    4. Goddammit don’t you guys get tired of pessimism all the damn time?

      Nothing has shown us that Phil is going to go for the big contract + old man combination, anyway. Calderon was a good player acquired via trade, and Sasha is a blight and abomination at $1.3M. Almost everyone else acquired is relatively young.

    5. We just won a freaking away Bulls game, KP looked amazing, and Grant looked good too. Dad-Melo was lighting it up, and even Sasha was OK.

      You guys must be real fun people in real life.

    6. @5

      I’m an optimist, but people are just tired of the Knicks sucking. Until they’re good everything will be met with derision and skepticism and tbf this franchise hasn’t earned any good will from fans to trust them.

      I agree that on the aggregate Phil has made good moves, but he hasn’t done anything amazing yet. Time will tell and this summer between free agency and, more importantly, the coaching hire will ultimately determine his legacy.

    7. I think KP qualifies as amazing…

      If we get a good PG and coach, I think this would become an amazing team. Honestly, goodPG/decentSG/Melo/KP/Lopez is pretty damn good. And Grant has shown he can become good in a couple.

    8. Boban and KP on the court together would probably be Jackson’s big-man wet dream if one of them could actually post up.

    9. It would take a poison pill to get Boban out of S.A. and I doubt a team is willing to do that.

      The same goes for these players too:
      Tyler Johnson
      Dwight Powell
      Langston Galloway

      Will $22m scare teams enough to persuade them not to resign their RFA? For Gallo, yes. The others who knows.

      Maybe someone will pull a Houston’s and go Johnson and Boban.

    10. I used to be all aboard the Phil Jackson train until he decided it was a good idea to have Kurt Rambis in charge of this team for half a season. I jumped off at that point.

    11. Devil’s advocate: many good coaches have said that they would never start with a new team mid-season, including Jeff Van Gundy.

    12. Devil’s advocate: many good coaches have said that they would never start with a new team mid-season, including Jeff Van Gundy.

      I’m certainly not suggesting that Jackson should have gone out and hired the new permanent HC mid-season. Instead he should have just let Fisher ride it out and then fired him and hired a new guy during the off-season.

    13. True, sounded to me like something behind the scenes happened and caused Phil to react. Not buying the Barnes thing as the culprit.

    14. > be Knicks fan in late ’90s
      > watch Scott Layden tries to ruin the franchise with Fred Weis
      > watch him trade Ewing for literally nothing
      > watch him give Allan Houston $100 million dollars
      > James Dolan intervenes
      > hires Isiah Thomas
      > Isiah Thomas gives $30M to Jerome James
      > trades literally every asset available for Eddy Curry
      > trades Hardaway and Ariza for Steve Francis
      > Anucha Sanders lawsuit
      > Dolan begrudgingly gets rid of Isiah, sort of but not really
      > hires some other guys to further ruin ruined franchise
      > uses the cap space to sign Amar’e Stoudemire to one of the worst contracts in the NBA
      > trades literally everything for Carmelo Anthony
      > jettisons Jeremy Lin for nothing
      > trades Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, Q-Rich and THREE FUCKING DRAFT PICKS for Andrea FUCKING Bargnani
      > read the above line again
      > brings in Phil Jackson who promptly signs Carmelo to yet another terrible contract
      > watch Wetbandit on Knickerblogger ask, “Why are you guys so cynical? Didn’t you see last night’s decent road win against a near-.500 team?”

    15. @12

      Ok, but why does it matter? If Fisher wasn’t good and he wasn’t communicating with Phil and alienating members of his staff cutting bait before all the NY media can gossip about it for 30 games makes more sense then just keeping him, because reasons.

      Is anybody going to care Rambis coached us for 31 games if he hires Thibs or some competent non-Rambis or Shaw coach?

      @7

      Yeah, KP is amazing, but that was just picking a guy with your top of the draft lottery pick. He deserves credit for it, but it didn’t require any ingenuity or fleecing another team. I’m talking about something along the lines of nabbing Draymond in the 2nd round or trading George Hill for Kawhi Leonard. A great GM needs a move like that under his belt. PJax has been okay and he’s avoided doing stupid shit that mortgages our future, but we’re yet to see a stroke of genius move.

    16. brings in Phil Jackson who promptly signs Carmelo to yet another terrible contract

      That deal isn’t terrible even if you keep repeating it.

    17. trades Marcus Camby, Steve Novak, Q-Rich and THREE FUCKING DRAFT PICKS for Andrea FUCKING Bargnani
      > read the above line again

      I am trying to purge this from my mind.

    18. Jowles, all the above are correct, and I’ve been a fan since the mid-90’s when we were actually good, and watched Ewing traded. It sucks.

      I get what you’re saying, but NONE of that was a Phil move. He may not have drafted Draymond in the second round, but he got Jerian Grant for Hardaway Jr. We have 8 players under 25, a 20-year old possible future hall of famer, cap space, and we are rid of stupid and bad-chemistry players a la JR, etc. We just beat the Bulls at home last time too.

      That deserves something too.

    19. Add Lance Stephenson, Bazemore and Noah and our team will be so much better. All should be affordable.

    20. Yeah, really, why would Knicks fans be pessimistic? I mean, jeez, we won that first round series against the Celtics that one time. What, you expect more than one first-round series playoff win in fifteen years? Some people are so greedy.

    21. Yeah we need Lance. Dudes that push their pregnant girlfriends down staircases are built to handle New York. Anytime you can trade for a guy whose last 2 teams have wanted to give up on him less than 5 minutes after acquiring him you gotta do it.

    22. I’m talking about something along the lines of nabbing Draymond in the 2nd round or trading George Hill for Kawhi Leonard.

      I’d like that too. But remember that it took a while for the wisdom of those moves to be apparent. Given that Phil has acquired a bunch of young guys, it probably too early to judge his moves. Grant could become really good and sho knows about Williams and Galloway

    23. I think Williams can be a good 7th man but my god he goes to the James Harden school of defense smh

    24. +1. I just nobody ever tries that bark like a dog during the inbound trick against us because DW is definitely feeding that fucking thing.

    25. I’d like that too. But remember that it took a while for the wisdom of those moves to be apparent. Given that Phil has acquired a bunch of young guys, it probably too early to judge his moves. Grant could become really good and sho knows about Williams and Galloway

      No?

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/504-kawhi-leonard
      http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/leonaka01.html

      Kawhi has been a franchise-player stud since day one. Even if he never got better than his rookie year, he is the kind of player you drool over at any position in the lottery. If your #1 overall pick turns out like Leonard in ’11-’12, you won.

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/1272-draymond-green

      Green had a normal rookie year, but he turned into a box score machine his second year. That’s not quite a late-bloomer. In his second year, dude snagged over twice league average in steals. That’s a big deal, and that’s something he’s always been good at.

      Let’s not pretend that these were career journeymen who turned into studs after ten years in the bigs. Shaun Livingston and Andrew Bogut come to mind: Livingston was constantly injured and underperforming before hitting his stride with the Cavs and Nets some years back, and Bogut had some weak and strong years in Milwaukee but turned into a freak in ’13-’14 — his TS% jumped from 46% to 61% in one year, with almost no change in FGA/48. Weirdly, in the year before that, he went from something like 17 FGA/48 to 10 FGA/48 with no change in TS%. A very weird career.

    26. Jackson tried to build a team with roster flexibility that could compete for the playoffs in his first season here. That team turned out to be the worst team in Knicks history. And if you want to say, “But he was smart enough to blow it up!” the team was 5-35 before he decided to blow it up. Five wins in their first forty games. Forty. That’s as many as four tens and that’s terrible.

      Then Jackson tried to build a team with roster flexibility that could compete for the playoffs in his second season here. That team has turned out to be the third worst team in the Eastern Conference.

      But no, when he tries to build a team with roster flexibility that can compete for the playoffs in his third season here, why should there be any doubt that he’ll succeed?

    27. @29

      Fact is he’s kept flexibility meaning he’s been pretty understanding that these team may not achieve the goals he’s set. That’s planning and accepting that there may be outcomes you don’t desire.

      He also said in his first press conference when he took over that he wanted to build something sustainable over his entire tenure. Also said in a meeting with season ticket holders last year he wasn’t going to chase some cockamamie dream in order just to win now.

      The fact that he came up short of his goals, but didn’t go nuts and do a bunch of stupid shit just to make his words true show legitimate patience and logic in building for the long-term.

    28. Building for the long term =/= signing Melo to a five-year max deal to cover his age 30-34 seasons, complete with a no-trade clause.

      Just think again how unfathomably stupid that no-trade clause was. Was there ever even the slightest chance that Melo would walk away from an extra $50 million over a no-trade clause? Any?

    29. No, it’s not stupid at all BC.

      Melo at the time was our single worthwhile asset. There’s a reason plenty of teams are still interested in trading for him. Even without an NTC no team was going to trade for Melo without knowing he wanted to be there and almost certainly any team that would want to trade for him would be an almost contender or better, or a big market, or both.

      Additionally as the cap continues to jump and we see players like DeMar DeRozan and Nic Batum get maxed, that Melo contract is going to be just fine in context.

      Signing Melo hasn’t prevented us from rebuilding anything. In fact if moving forward he does want to leave, we actually will recoup some assets from such a deal. For a team that was out as many assets as it was when he started keeping Melo was a no brainer, especially given that we would have still been over the cap in 2014/15 without him.

    30. This is why I chuckle at stuff like

      I’m totally out on PJax if we persist with Rhombus or Shaw.

      You can hand wave moronic moves like the no trade clause, but bringing Rambis back or hiring Shaw will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for you. I’m a bit dubious of that.

    31. Umm okay?

      Yeah, I don’t think bringing Melo back was moronic, but I do think hiring two coaches who have alienated locker rooms and failed to maximize players in previous head coaching stints full time is moronic.

    32. Bringing him back was defensible. Bringing him back with a no-trade clause was moronic. You’re already paying him $50 million more than anyone else, but you’re also allowing him to dictate how you deal with him? Dumb.

      Melo’s under contract for three more years. The guy who has made every decision for the sake of money in his career is going to walk away from the last three years of his contract if he doesn’t like the deal? Come on. Especially since the only teams interested in trading for him would be good teams. It’s a non-issue. The no-trade clause, on the other hand, it a huge issue.

      Imagine how much differently things would have gone in 2011 had Melo had a no-trade clause then. Denver wouldn’t have gotten shit for him.

    33. Agree to disagree BC. I think we go through this every few months anyways lol.

    34. And we’ll go through it next year when you’re defending Jackson after he gives Rambis an extension. ;)

    35. “Yeah, he gave Rambis an extension. That was bad. But he brought in Evan Turner and Kent Bazemore for $30 million, so I think we need to give him a couple more years to judge him overall.”

    36. I actually like Baze, but I think we need a wing that’s a better shooter above the break. Fournier would be good.

    37. Holy poop, registering for this site was quite the ordeal. Flippin’ WordPress…

      Watching the Knicks since back when Ewing missed that layup. Reading this blog off and on for years. A poster named Calib was around and Jowles had a jester for a pic. BC thanks for keeping it around, even through all of the unsold T-shirts.

      The feeling has changed here. Very few trade talks, analytics and FA signing ideas; lots more whining and “what could have beens”.

      Here, how about this, just for ships and giggles: What will the Knicks get when they trade Carmelo Anthony (keep that horrific no-trade to yourselves)?

    38. I actually like Baze, but I think we need a wing that’s a better shooter above the break. Fournier would be good.

      I threw him in there because I had to have one side of the deal seem kinda good. ;) I don’t like what he’s done overall, but I don’t think Jackson is a buffoon or anything like that. He’s not going to hand out awful contracts to everybody. There will be some RoLo-esque signings mixed in there.

      Honestly, here’s the weird part – I don’t think you can even get those two guys (Turner and Bazemore) for $30 million right how. Turner and Fournier, I think you could possibly get, though (even there it is murky since Fournier is a RFA)

    39. You can hand wave moronic moves like the no trade clause, but bringing Rambis back or hiring Shaw will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for you. I’m a bit dubious of that

      Dumb, unsubstantiated, and unrealistically pessimistic sentiments like this are why I go to other sites lately.

    40. Oh, you came here for “optimism for no good reason.” Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door.

    41. Yeah, I agree with that.

      I’d be willing to overpay for Fournier because of his age. At 23, he’s still well short of his prime and he’s a really well rounded scoring guard. Probably would have to go north of $18m in the kind of free agent climate this summer will be to get him, which I’d do.

      I think Ian Clark would be an interesting player on the cheap, but the sample size on him is small.

      If we could get Fournier I wouldn’t mind signing a stop gap PG like Sessions on a 1-year overpay for the rest of our space and then playing the free agent market the following summer which will be much more talent rich at the PG spot. I like Conley, but I’m totally out on guys dealing with a sore Achilles all year. Even if we could sign him I wouldn’t. I also think this would allow us more time to evaluate Grant’s progression.

      Idk what to think about Baze. His athleticism and ability to finish at the rim is something we need, but seeing Carroll’s drop in production from ATL to TOR makes me weary of throwing big money at Hawks wing players.

    42. Signing Bazemore and then Turner is like cooking up a nice, simple bacon cheeseburger and then sprinkling Froot Loops and Pixie Stix on top of it.

      @41 I don’t think I ever had a jester as an avatar because I’ve never been able to figure out how WordPress works. That said, I have always tried to be the unfunny court jester here. I like to imagine that ruruland was King Lear and I was his fool. He rambled incoherently and I made fun of him, while we both stood outside in the Knicks’ thunderstorm. Only difference is that he, not I, disappeared mysteriously after Act 3.

    43. How is it possible to not be pessimistic when Calderon and Vujacic are still playing big minutes? How does a lineup of Grant/Gallo/KP/Melo/Lopez not get plenty of minutes at this stage? This isn’t just on Rambis, it’s on Phil too. Calderon and Vujacic are still taking minutes from Grant/Gallo/Early because that’s what Phil wants.

    44. I’d be willing to overpay for Fournier because of his age. At 23, he’s still well short of his prime and he’s a really well rounded scoring guard. Probably would have to go north of $18m in the kind of free agent climate this summer will be to get him, which I’d do.

      I think Ian Clark would be an interesting player on the cheap, but the sample size on him is small.

      If we could get Fournier I wouldn’t mind signing a stop gap PG like Sessions on a 1-year overpay for the rest of our space and then playing the free agent market the following summer which will be much more talent rich at the PG spot. I like Conley, but I’m totally out on guys dealing with a sore Achilles all year. Even if we could sign him I wouldn’t. I also think this would allow us more time to evaluate Grant’s progression.

      Idk what to think about Baze. His athleticism and ability to finish at the rim is something we need, but seeing Carroll’s drop in production from ATL to TOR makes me weary of throwing big money at Hawks wing players.

      The thing with Fournier is that let’s say you need to go to $20 million to get him, which seems likely enough. Then that gives them something like $10 million to play with (I’m assuming they don’t waive Calderon unless they can get some top, top level guys). You could try to get some low level guys at that point, but your rotation is already quite short at that point in time (even presuming Gallo and Thomas both return), so Jackson probably will try to get a guy he knows will be a rotation player rather than a guy who might develop into one, and I don’t know what the market will be like for guys like that. $10 million might be enough for the lower level guys, or it might not be. I really don’t know how the market will work out for guys like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if the way the exploding cap works out is that the in demand players (your Bazemores, your Batums) get a shit ton of money but then the lower level guys don’t even change much, which would be good for the Knicks in this particular scenario.

      It’d be funny to see Fournier succeed Afflalo for the second time in his career.

    45. How is it possible to not be pessimistic when Calderon and Vujacic are still playing big minutes? How does a lineup of Grant/Gallo/KP/Melo/Lopez not get plenty of minutes at this stage? This isn’t just on Rambis, it’s on Phil too. Calderon and Vujacic are still taking minutes from Grant/Gallo/Early because that’s what Phil wants.

      It does seem clear that Jackson likes Vujacic, which definitely is a bit inexplicable.

    46. Dumb, unsubstantiated, and unrealistically pessimistic sentiments like this are why I go to other sites lately.

      Honestly, bro: Reddit might be your place. There is so much unabashed homerism that it’s hard to stomach if you have any realism regarding the Knicks’ future success.

      Here’s a representative example of what you’ll find there:

      https://www.reddit.com/r/NYKnicks/comments/1hf90p/help_me_understand_why_the_bargnani_trade_is/

      “Why is the Bargnani trade bad?”

      Top comment:

      It’s not. It’s not at all. I love Novak but he got blanketed in the playoffs and was a non factor. From what I read Camby was perfectly healthy for the Indiana series and he got 5 DNP and technically 0 minutes in game 1.
      Bargnani, whose inside game needs a bit of work, at least has an inside game which you can’t really say about Novak who took something like 80% of his shots from beyond the line. Bargnani basically takes Camby’s spot as a big because as tall as Novak is, he wasn’t guarding anyone with an inside game. Bargnani rebounds better than Novak and Camby combined when you factor in Camby’s minutes.
      The salary is a wash and if you can pull off trades like this who cares about luxury tax, it’s not coming out of my pocket.
      The way I see it (and the way I think the Knicks brass sees it) Tim Hardway Jr. does what Novak did, quick release outside specialist. So if you still have that but with an improved inside player who can give you points off the bench like Bargnani does, you are better off than you were before. That second unit needed anyone to score not named JR. If Kidd had a bad game (see the playoffs) there was no one picking up the slack.”

      “At the very bare minimum you could say that we traded two players who had no significant usage in our system for a key role player/starter. All last year analysts were saying how bargnani would be a great fit for a team that needed a 2nd-3rd string scorer trying to contend.”

    47. Probably right BC. Somebody is going to go heavy on Bazemore. Got to think he’s going to at least get the 4/$64m that Carroll got.

      Turner is a bizarre player. I swear every time I watch him he’s great and then I’ll look at his BRef page and it’s still ugly.

      Noah is the player whose free agency value fascinates me the most. I really have no clue at all what he’s going to get. I could see a team like Portland making a run at him in the hopes that Stotts could resurrect him. A good Noah would really make that team interesting.

    48. I like Turner myself, just not for the deal he’s going to get in this market. I don’t see how he gets less than $15 million. He’s a starter on a good team and he fits into Rambis and Jackson’s “It’s 1991 all over again!” style of roster construction. So he’s a scarily realistic target for the Knicks.

      Noah is the player whose free agency value fascinates me the most. I really have no clue at all what he’s going to get. I could see a team like Portland making a run at him in the hopes that Stotts could resurrect him. A good Noah would really make that team interesting.

      The guys who are always going to be fascinating in any given market are the veterans who have made their money already and might be willing to take less to go somewhere that they think fits them the best (whether it be market or team). Like David West last year. Total wild cards. I could see Noah being like that. Then again, I also thought Tyson Chandler was going to be like that last season and then he instead just took the most money on the market (granted, it was a crazy large amount of money for a dude who had to be surprised at a team offering him three years, let alone four).

    49. Note that the dude above said this:

      Bargnani rebounds better than Camby, when you “factor in Camby’s minutes.”

      Camby, the guy with the 8th highest TRB% in league history–

      rebounds less effectively than–

      Andrea Bargnani.

      Top comment.

    50. Portland btw is a dark horse for Durant. They could max him and still have like $15m left over to play with. They can also easily create more space by finding takers for Aminu, Davis, Vonleh, etc.

    51. I think it just makes too much sense for him to just do a 1+1 deal to stay in OKC and then go back to market next year for a shit ton more money and be able to see what Westbrook is thinking.

    52. I wouldn’t pay Bazemore $15 plus. I think his defense is just okay, not as strong as many seem to think and a step down from Carroll. He has shot pretty well, but I think it’s up for grabs whether you get >35% from 3 unless he takes a ton from the corner. He’s sloppy with the ball. Good rebounding wing, can run and finish and play okay D. I think he’s a full notch below prime Ariza, not worth 16-18% of the cap if you have to pay him into years 29 and 30.

    53. Honestly, here’s the weird part – I don’t think you can even get those two guys (Turner and Bazemore) for $30 million right how.

      I also predict this will turn out to be wrong and $30m will be enough to get both those guys. I hope we don’t. The guy who is going to get wildly overpaid is Harrison Barnes.

    54. If the Warriors don’t want to give up Livingston and Bogut to sign Durant, I sort of get it. It’s wrong, but I guess I could talk myself into not giving up one of the best interior defenders in the West and a great backup PG for a top-5 player in the league.

      If they pass on Durant to keep Barnes at like $25M a year or whatever he’s going to get, they are freaking crazy.

    55. I also predict this will turn out to be wrong and $30m will be enough to get both those guys. I hope we don’t. The guy who is going to get wildly overpaid is Harrison Barnes.

      He’ll get paid more than those two guys, but the same basic principles that will lead to Barnes getting $21 million will be what leads Turner to get $15 million plus and Bazemore $18 million plus (plus Batum and DeRozan $25 million each). Good, youngish players on good teams in an exploding cap year.

      I mean, how is Bazemore not going to beat the $16 million that Carroll made last year with the cap going up so much?

    56. Just read that his ceiling is $23M per, so Baze can expect $18-20M and Turner will get $15M.

      Endtimes, y’all.

    57. I think Caleb had the joker avatar for a while and then switched to that photo of a high school baller.

      Being pessimistic is a big part of what we do here, sadly. It’s what gets me through each day of being a Knicks fan.

      And as for analytics, quite frankly, the stat revolution passed us by. Blogs like this were at the bleeding edge for a second, then became victims of their own success. There was a moment in the mid-aughts when it was quite clear that most NBA front office personnel were basically completely innumerate, baffled by concepts as simple as pace adjustment.

      Gradually, and then pretty rapidly, things completely changed. I feel comfortable saying that the top work being done analyzing basketball is not being done on a blog anymore. It’s being down by FO types or in Vegas. Which is as it should be.

    58. Another question is what city they could all call home. Paul and Anthony already spend their offseason in Los Angeles, and James and Wade recently purchased homes there, according to Bleacher Report.

      Come, Mister tally man, tally me banana
      Daylight come and me wan’ go home
      Come, Mister tally man, tally me banana
      Daylight come and me wan’ go home

    59. Andrea Bargnani has played 600 minutes this year and has a player option for next year, leading me to believe that there’s still a lot to criticize, make fun of, and outright mock.

    60. Andrea Bargnani has played 600 minutes this year and has a player option for next year, leading me to believe that there’s still a lot to criticize, make fun of, and outright mock.

      The Nets bought out his player option. He’s a free agent, thank goodness. Honestly, the new Nets GM seems shockingly competent. And the Nets are finding out the virtues of trying out unknown young players to see if some of them can stick. They’re an almost unrecognizable team right now. They’re actually kind of fun to watch (shocking, I know).

    61. And the Nets are finding out the virtues of trying out unknown young players to see if some of them can stick.

      What is this witchcraft you speak of?

    62. Brian, I’m not saying I’m unrealistically optimistic. I’m saying I’m not into the gloom and doom around here these days. I miss the posts from when we sucked, had no future, and joked about win shares and trade options.

      And it’s not like the gloom and doom makes any sense, either. Phil hasn’t made any bad moves yet, say what you will about the no-trade option, it’s nothing compared to prior management deals. If you’re going to base your prognosis on past performance as you say, he should get an A, not a D.

      Jowles, that reddit post was from the the time of the trade, and It says quite explicitly ‘I don’t know why most of reddit is against the trade.’ And I recall a few knickerbloggers pro Bargnani then as well.

      Again, I am not all gaga for Phil at all. I just think that you guys are extremely biased in your evaluation of him.

    63. I mean, how is Bazemore not going to beat the $16 million that Carroll made last year with the cap going up so much?

      I hear you, but remember Carroll got $15m average, first year $13.5m (and I’m assuming normal escalating deals and first year starting at less than $30m, not averages over a deal) in a year when everyone already knew the out years would be much higher salary caps. I also think there is some growing suspicion around the league about guys with holes in their game and choppy track records who have had a good but not great year or two under unusually good coaches.

    64. Beating the Bulls on back to back nights and hurting their playoff chances would be kind of sweet.

    65. There is no really reason why Porzingis can’t have Steph Curry like range. He’s so big and his form is so good he should be able to hit 35 footers in transition.

      Porzingis ball is always watchable. Even when Rambo is the coach.

    66. You know what’s both terrible and very likely? A Sasha Vujacic multi year contract. Good lord.

    67. You know what’s both terrible and very likely? A Sasha Vujacic multi year contract. Good lord.

      Well we here at the analytically inclined Knickerblogger have already mathematically proven that Sasha Vujacic is at least as good as, if not better than, rookie phenom Kristaps Porzingis. So I say we max Sasha.

    68. I want to see Jose have a non life threatening career ending medical condition so he has to retire.

    69. man it is nice to see peakzingis again before the year is out. looking like back to back 20/10 games.

    70. man it is nice to see peakzingis again before the year is out.

      For real-I was worried for Khanzy

    71. I want everyone shitting on the state of the franchise in the first half of this thread to watch this game 3 times, and that gorgeous alley-oop from 70 ft away 9 times.

    72. The hawks and the Bulls must be like how did we let them win the season series against us.

    73. The hawks and the Bulls must be like how did we let them win the season series against us.

      And the Hawks are a legitimately good team, too!

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