Knicks Morning News (2015.11.10)

  • [New York Times] Clippers Edge Grizzlies 94-92 on Redick’s Late Scoring (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:42:39 GMT)

    The Clippers got drawn into playing the Grizzlies’ grinding style and still managed to eke out a victory.

  • [New York Times] NBA Capsules (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:03:37 GMT)

    J.J. Redick scored six points in the final 55 seconds to rally the Los Angeles Clippers to a 94-92 victory over the Memphis Grizzlies on Monday night, snapping a two-game skid.

  • [New York Times] Curry Held to Season-Low 22 in Warriors’ Win Over Pistons (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:03:35 GMT)

    On a night Stephen Curry struggled with his shot, Golden State barely missed a beat while extending its unbeaten streak.

  • [New York Times] Golden State Down Detroit (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:00:27 GMT)

    Leandro Barbosa and Harrison Barnes combined for 12 points in an 18-6 run to start the fourth quarter, and the Golden State Warriors wore down the Detroit Pistons 109-95 on Monday for their eighth consecutive win.

  • [New York Times] Wolves Blow 34-Point Lead, Still Top Hawks (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 06:03:27 GMT)

    The Minnesota Timberwolves held on to end the Atlanta Hawks’ seven-game winning streak and, in the process, they stopped a stretch of futility that went back 13 years.

  • [New York Times] Hickson, Mudiay Help Nuggets Hold Off Trail Blazers, 108-104 (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 05:48:36 GMT)

    Emmanuel Mudiay nitpicked his performance even after hitting two big free throws in the closing seconds and blocking a critical shot.

  • [New York Times] Leonard Has 24 Points in Spurs’ 106-88 Win Over Kings (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 05:39:37 GMT)

    Kawhi Leonard scored 24 points, Tim Duncan had 11 points and 14 rebounds and the San Antonio Spurs beat the Sacramento Kings 106-88 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Rally for Win (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 05:01:59 GMT)

    Andrew Wiggins tied a career high with 33 points for the Minnesota Timberwolves, who blew a 34-point lead but bounced back to win.

  • [New York Times] Duncan Sues Ex-Adviser (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 05:00:19 GMT)

    The San Antonio Spurs star Tim Duncan filed a lawsuit last week against a former financial adviser he contends has cost him millions of dollars.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Rout Flailing 76ers (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 04:58:58 GMT)

    Nikola Mirotic had 20 points and 10 rebounds to lead the visiting Chicago Bulls past the Philadelphia 76ers.

  • [New York Times] Timberwolves Blow 34-Point Lead but Recover to Beat Hawks (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 04:57:40 GMT)

    Andrew Wiggins was hoping he wouldn’t lose his shooting touch as the Atlanta Hawks kept pushing to wipe out a huge deficit.

  • [New York Times] Bulls Pull Away in Second Half to Top Winless 76ers (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:45:48 GMT)

    Jimmy Butler stuck a Sharpie inside a media scrum, using the marker as an imaginary recorder to pick up sound bites nearby from teammate Doug McDermott.

  • [New York Times] George Scores 27 to Lead Pacers Past Magic (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 02:57:38 GMT)

    Paul George made a pivotal go-ahead basket late and finished with 27 points to lead the Indiana Pacers to a 97-84 victory over the Orlando Magic on Monday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Matt Barnes rips Derek Fisher for running to ‘cops and NBA’ (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:42:56 GMT)

    The Matt Barnes-Derek Fisher feud shows no signs of losing steam after Barnes ridiculed the Knicks head coach on Monday.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks’ triangle out of shape to Kobe as Fisher feels way (Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:30:44 GMT)

    The evidence of Derek Fisher trying to escape Phil Jackson and become his own man was provided by Kobe Bryant.

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    153 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.11.10)”

    1. I expected a rough season this year. So I don’t get the negativity. The goal for this year was always progress, with hope, youth, and fundamentals the keys.

      Best case scenario for this season was beat the bad teams most of the time (Lakers only so far – 1/0); be 50/50 against average teams (Bucks 1/1, Wiz 1/0) and lose to good teams (Cavs, Spurs, Hawks 0/3) without looking like absolute crap.

      Put away your shotguns boys.

    2. I had to double check this headline in the WSJ to make sure I wasn’t reading The Onion:

      “Nets’ Bargnani Says the Prime Time is Now- at 30 years old, the former Knick and top pick says his best years are ahead”

      Damn, we blew it, who knew the guy was ready to blossom into a star?

    3. I expected a rough season this year. So I don’t get the negativity. The goal for this year was always progress, with hope, youth, and fundamentals the keys. Put away your shotguns boys.

      Knicks are having the type of season most observers would have expected. The low number of games makes predictions, positive or negative, pretty wild and irrational. Before winning a back-and-forth struggle against the Lakers (one of the worst franchises in the NBA), we were projected to win roughly 28 games. After the ugly game, we are projected to win 35! Meaningless, right?

      Porzingis is not Kevin Garnett, Duncan or Shaq. Odds are he won’t be one of them ever. He is a young prospect with more professional experience than your average NBA rookie. He looks good – but he is not exactly setting the NBA on fire, either. He absolutely looks like he could be a very good player, but 7 decent games (once again, he has not gone for 25 points and 20 rebounds) does not a star (or bust, for that matter) make.

      So, yes, let’s put the shotguns away. Let’s remember to discard the Pollyanna Glasses, too.

    4. A few positive developments since last year —
      – The Knicks averaged 19.2 foul shots/game last year, 25.9 so far this year.
      – They took 19.7 three pointers/game last year, 22.7 so far this year.
      – They were -3.1 rebounds/game last year, plus 1.8 this year.
      – Despite having four of five starters shooting very poorly, they are 11th in offensive efficiency.
      – Despite starting two poor defenders in the backcourt, they are 15th in defensive efficiency.
      Small sample size, but trending in the right direction.
      By the way, based on a quick look at team stats, it appears that three point shooting percentage league-wide is down a couple percent from last year.

    5. Yeah everybody stop being optimistic and hopeful. As fans our duty is to be objective at all times and show as little bias as possible in favor of the Knicks. What ever would the world possibly come to if as fans we have optimistic hopes for our team and young players?

    6. KP seems almost the opposite of what we were led to expect.

      Ewing was kind of the same way in terms of upending expectations, though I don’t think it was quite as early as this. His rep out of Georgetown was as the next Bill Russell: a defensive monster with rudimentary offensive skills. Instead, he turned out to be a good but not transcendent defender, but also one of the best jump shooting big men of all time.

    7. KP doesn’t seem to have the straight athleticism as KG in terms of quick-twitch muscle, doesn’t have the physically dominating body (or athleticism) of Shaq, and doesn’t seem to have the body control of Duncan.

      BUT – he’s taller/longer than any of them.
      He has the potential of being a better shooter than any of them. (KG got pretty good as his career went on).

      I wonder whether a reasonable optimistic comp when he gets stronger would be a more mobile Yao Ming with more shooting range – a guy who was a huge defensive presence just with height/wingspan/standing reach, and good-for-size but not elite athleticism.

      (hopefully a healthier version of Yao too).

    8. I’m sorry I keep on perseverating about this, but it’s just so hard to find any players who fit as comparables to Porzingis.

      Right now he projects as a high usage (~24%) 7 footer (7’3″) who shoots 3s (4.6 3PA/36) and gets a reasonable amount of blocks (1.9/36), steals (1.9/36), and rebounds (12.7). Since you can only input 4 variables into B-R’s season finder — if you put some conservative variables like in players 6’10” or taller with USG%>20, blocks/36>1, TRB/36 >11, and 3PA/36>2 you come out only with Porzingis and Sabonis.

      That is good company. And he hasn’t even started to shoot well yet.

    9. Yeah everybody stop being optimistic and hopeful. As fans our duty is to be objective at all times and show as little bias as possible in favor of the Knicks. What ever would the world possibly come to if as fans we have optimistic hopes for our team and young players?

      We’re crippled as a team, I’m tired of losing, it’s time to make the Knicks great again! If I was president of the Knicks, fans would get tired of winning. Oh, and I would make all the other owners pay for a new MSG.

    10. The list of distinguished basketball folks, from all-time great players to coaches to writers, that are predicting great things for KP is rapidly growing.

    11. I kinda wonder if the success of the mets is impact our perception at this early point. I mean:
      -The mets were in growth, development mode, hoping to be 500 or slightly better, and made the WS
      -Bartolo Colon can guard most PGs better than Calderon

    12. Given Zinger’s defense, it’s looking like we’re 2 years and 15lbs away from him playing center. Notice the significance of 2 years? Those would be the final two terrifying years of Melo’s contract. Melo, however, could then guard 4s (no way he’ll be able to guard 3s in two years). Grant/Gallo should be a very good defensive back-court. If Zinger”s hitting 3s at a high clip, that will give room for Grant to penetrate and Melo to operate. If Zinger’s got a post-up game, OMG. This type of lineup with Bargs at center along with Felton/Shump/JR/Melo was actually very productive in 200+ minutes. In a couple of years, we likely would be better at every non-Melo position.

    13. Those would be the final two terrifying years of Melo’s contract. Melo, however, could then guard 4s (no way he’ll be able to guard 3s in two years).

      That is assuming Melo wants to make the sacrifice to change his game to be a power foward. I will believe that when I see it.

    14. Melo = David Wright (face of the franchise with questionable long-term contract)
      Porzingis = Matt Harvey (franchise savior drafted with high pick)
      Galloway = Jacob deGrom (unheralded as prospect, awesome as a pro)
      Fisher = Terry Collins (player’s coach who is lacking in-game strategy skills)
      Grant = Michael Conforto (recent draftee plays at above-average level right out of the gate)

    15. Melo = David Wright (face of the franchise with questionable long-term contract)

      Melo is not as unselfish as David Wright. There’s a lot of Cespedes in there too.

    16. Fuck Bill Simmons for even floating the idea of a Porzingis trade.

      What did he say/do? I can’t seem to find anything about it.

    17. That is assuming Melo wants to make the sacrifice to change his game to be a power foward. I will believe that when I see it.

      You mean like when he did that from the end of 2011/12 through until the end of the 2013/14 season?

      Melo is not as unselfish as David Wright. There’s a lot of Cespedes in there too.

      Lol

    18. You mean like when he did that from the end of 2011/12 through until the end of the 2013/14 season?

      Did what? What was so unselfish about his play? He averages 3 assists a game.

    19. Fisher sticks too long with the same lineups. It has an adverse effect of keeping both lineups (starters and reserves) cold.

    20. Does anyone know what the deal with Afflalo is? Is this gonna be another 2012-2013 Sheed situation where he’s day-to-day for the entire season?

    21. I think everyone on Twitter is saying that afflalo will play tomorrow but there’s been no announcement. I sure hope he plays soon

    22. @29 – I read that he’s ready. He’ll play tomorrow. They probably didn’t want him playing in both games of a back-to-back so they’ll probably start him tomorrow in place of Vujacic.

    23. Late in the 3rd quarter of a close game and Fisher has a frontcourt of Thomas, Oaq and Seraphin.

    24. Fisher treats his lineups and substitution patterns as if these are pre-season games. Its absurd.

    25. I like Seraphin in the limited role he plays. He can play some defense and some offense and gives the bigs some rest.

    26. Hopefully this game will make Fisher use Early more. Of course this could just be a byproduct of Fisher’s new 13-man rotation.

    27. Yeah, Fisher is clueless. He’s played 13 guys and we’re winning by 5 over the 2x atlantic division champs on the road on the front end of a back to back.

    28. He doesn’t only slam that 3. He grabs the D board sprints down the floor and dishes to early. Fucking a yes

    29. Over the last few games I’ve noticed that the best plus/minus has belonged to Galloway and Zincter. I know it’s a bullshit stat, but still, does it not seem like they have a disproportionate impact when they’re in there?

    30. Between Calderon subbing in and that last Melo possession. It’s like we have to… We want to keep it close…

    31. He’s going to want Gallo for the last 4 minutes. Rest him til then.
      I think fisher is doing pretty well tonight.

    32. checking the box score and we are leading like a point and 3 points with minutes left in the clock make me nervous.
      Hope we win it and melo will play the last 5 minutes like he is the best player on the floor.

    33. Lance Thomas looking like Olajuwon!! Also it worked out in the end cause Lopez layed it in but holy crap where was the foul on that Melo drive??

    34. Lance Thomas has such a janky offensive game that he confuses opponents into letting him score because they literally cannot tell what the fuck he’s doing.

      In all seriousness though he’s been great this game

    35. Plenty of no calls against melo these past few games. I’m not going to worry about one missed call

    36. Lance Thomas, high scorer off the bench – who would have ever thought of that ?!??!?
      A nice road win. This team is much easier to root for than the past few additions… They are not winning the championship this year and may not even make the playoffs, but they appear headed in the right direction for once. Will we ever see Afflalo ??

    37. That game seemed to not want to end until we lost in some Knicksy way, but Lance Thomas would not let it be so.

    38. Hey…. Even if they get Melo for being OB. There’s NO guarantee Toronto converts on the other end. No luck! We put ourselves in the position to win, and we won. Amen

    39. If Kristaps can learn how to shoot before Lance Thomas turns back into Lance Thomas we might have a little something cooking

    40. Fisher gets kudos for the way he managed player time. KP was ice cold and he didn’t hesitate to bench him. Thomas gives up about a foot on Zinger but nothing in size of his heart. Great game for him. Grant got schooled all night by Lowry and Calderon actually played better defense than the rookie.

    41. its amazing how everyone in this board once hate lance thomas.
      even argue about his worth for a roster spot.
      He shows that he could be an OK player with real value given his salary.
      Fisher is speaks so positive about him. He must be working real good in off camera.

    42. Tomorrow night will be interesting, both Knicks and Hornets on the 2nd of a back-to-back and both have to fly into Charlotte tonight. Could be a real ugly game lol.

    43. Somewhere the ghost of Ted Nelson is smiling down, telling us all that the Thomas signing wasn’t so terrible after all and that you’re dumb and not citing sources

    44. I wondered if maybe the longer bench tonight is Fisher trying to keep some guys fresh for tomorrow’s game, inc. KP. Still, gotta win the first one and they did.

    45. Listen, those of us who were here in the dark ages once really hated a humble fisherman named Jared Jeffries before we came to love him. Sometimes the greatest love grows from the most passionate hate.

    46. Lance Thomas was huge in this game, and is a big reason why we won. Lance “What Is He Good At” Thomas. I really can’t believe it.

      Galloway was outstanding as usual, and Melo looks to be rounding into shape. Porzingis is playing the game with too much urgency. It helps him on defense and rebounds (especially offensive put back jams over an entire team), but you don’t play offense with urgency. Offense is the patient man’s game, and he needs to be more patient with his offense. He seemed rushed out there tonight and left me disappointed.

    47. All 13 healthy players got into the game, everyone but Amundson scored, and Fish’s seemed to hit on all his late substitutions. Not bad.

    48. Toronto is very good. I thought the Knicks were better tonight and that we’re getting better as a team. Calderon, Melo, and Lopez are starting to look good, which is huge for us because we need at least two of those three to play good basketball this season. Porzingis is bound to have nights like tonight, but 6 boards in 20 minutes ain’t bad. It’s the scoring efficiency that bothers me; all season he just seems rushed on offense. If he slows down, he’ll do so much better. I want him to eventually slow roast players with his face up game where they don’t know if he’ll just shoot the elbow jumper over them or if he’ll take two steps and finish/draw a foul. That comes with patience, and he needs to display more of it I think.

    49. Great team effort tonight. I think this team has quickly developed a nice chemistry. Fisher may actually be doing a good job.

    50. It was a seriously nice team win against a tough opponent. 7 out of 8 games the Knicks played have been against 2014/15 playoff teams. They are 4-4. 13 players contributed 12 scored. Only Melo played 30 minutes. An off night for both rookies.

      Tomorrow they play a tough Bobcat team that’s also traveling to Charlotte for the back-to-back. Lin and Kemba may be a tough guard for our back court. Hopefully Afflalo is back.

      This team is a pleasure to watch. But my frame of reference is that pile of dung from last year. There is lots of room for improvement. But so far, I’m enjoying these games.

    51. I don’t think it is a coincidence that the two games that Thomas really played well in were also their two biggest wins of the season (he played well in the Milwaukee win, as well, but that really just seemed to be more like a “in the right place at the right time” deal – the Washington win and tonight he just flat out played really well). When that dude is giving you excellent minutes, it changes the complexion of the team completely for the better. It’s really like found money.

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