Knicks Morning News (2015.11.08)

  • [New York Times] Harden Scores 46, Rockets Hang On to Beat Clippers 109-105 (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 07:48:33 GMT)

    Seven games into the season, the Houston Rockets have already experienced more ups and downs than most teams. They lost their first three games and have turned things around to win four in a row.

  • [New York Times] Harden Ignites Rockets to Victory Over Clippers (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 07:24:27 GMT)

    Guard James Harden scored a season-best 46 points to spark the Houston Rockets to a 109-105 victory over the Los Angeles Clippers at the Staples Center on Saturday.

  • [New York Times] Curry Scores 24 as Warriors Beat Kings 103-94 (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 06:51:44 GMT)

    Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors found their offense in time to keep their perfect record.

  • [New York Times] Leonard Scores 23 as Spurs Beat Hornets 114-94 (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:54:38 GMT)

    The retooled San Antonio Spurs are learning more about each other every day.

  • [New York Times] Burke, Utah Jazz Beat Memphis Grizzlies 89-79 (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:30:46 GMT)

    Trey Burke committed himself to being more professional during the offseason — better sleep, better workout regimen, better focus.

  • [New York Times] Mavericks Keep Pelicans Winless With 107-98 Win (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:27:39 GMT)

    Dallas’ patient approach paid off against short-handed New Orleans. A couple of the Mavericks’ biggest stars also played a key role down the stretch.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Hawks Roll Past Wizards for Seventh Straight Win (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 05:21:42 GMT)

    The Hawks beat the Washington Wizards, 114-99, on Saturday night in Atlanta for their seventh consecutive victory.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Beat Wizards 114-99 for 7th Straight Win (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 04:51:36 GMT)

    The Atlanta Hawks overcame a lackluster start with a big finish. When Kent Bazemore and company got rolling, the Washington Wizards just couldn’t keep up.

  • [New York Times] Payton Helps Magic Beat Winless 76ers 105-97 (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 04:18:43 GMT)

    Evan Fournier pulled Elfrid Payton to the side before Orlando’s game at Philadelphia and reminded him how important he is to the team and how much everyone believes in him.

  • [New York Times] Monroe, Bucks Hand Nets 7th Straight Loss to Start Season (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 04:15:42 GMT)

    Greg Monroe had 20 points and eight rebounds Saturday night, leading the Milwaukee Bucks to a 94-86 victory over the winless Brooklyn Nets.

  • [New York Times] Wiggins, Timberwolves Beat Bulls 102-93 in Overtime (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 02:18:37 GMT)

    Andrew Wiggins scored 31 points, and the Minnesota Timberwolves beat the Chicago Bulls 102-93 in overtime on Saturday night.

  • [New York Daily News] Kobe vows ‘Laker for life’ before likely final game at MSG (Sun, 08 Nov 2015 03:13:23 GMT)

    Derek Fisher knows from experience how much Kobe Bryant relishes his games at the Garden.

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    29 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.11.08)”

    1. It’s too soon to be throwing around the term “must win”, but I really think today is a must win if we want to feel like we have any chance to make the playoffs. The east is not as bad as it used to be. There aren’t many teams on this list we are clearly better than, and there are at least 7 that are better than us.

      Eastern Conference W L
      Atlanta Hawks (1) 7 1
      Toronto Raptors (2) 5 1
      Cleveland Cavaliers (2) 5 1
      Detroit Pistons (4) 4 1
      Milwaukee Bucks (5) 4 3
      Chicago Bulls (5) 4 3
      Washington Wizards (7) 3 3
      Miami Heat (7) 3 3
      Indiana Pacers (7) 3 3
      Orlando Magic (10) 3 4
      Boston Celtics (11) 2 3
      Charlotte Hornets (12) 2 4
      New York Knicks (12) 2 4
      Brooklyn Nets (14) 0 7
      Philadelphia 76ers (14) 0 6

    2. Yeah, most of us would have signed up for 3-4 at this point. Capping off a 2-5 start with a loss to the Lakers to go 0-4 at home is definitely not a good sign going forward.

    3. I love how the best writers actually think and write as if Knicks fans really want Kobe and as if he’s still some great player that would make the Knicks a contender. It’s mind boggling. It’s insane that these guys have jobs.

    4. It’s mind boggling. It’s insane that these guys have jobs.

      Kobe Bryant has the lamestream media HOODWINKED. BAMBOOZLED. FLAT OUT DECEIVED

    5. Most sports writers are trained to write the narrative, because they’ve been trained to think that’s all the audience wants. Kobe makes an easy narrative, even though it’s stupid. Same with political writers, who are way more comfortable covering the horse race than dealing with issues. That’s what makes having a beat writer like Herring so refreshing. He actually understands that his readers want to know about the team.

    6. Some people here seem not to realize that the vast majority of this team is new to this team: many are learning a new system, new players, rookies and a new coach. It will take time for them to develop a clear identity.

      But they have been in every game. They have played hard. We are seeing some very bright spots.
      – KP is a genuine NBA-level PF-C with the potential to push into the elite class;
      – Melo soon will have his legs, and with a supporting cast of young, competent guards, a freak for a PF, a competent center, and a solid bench that can provide him reasonable rest, this could become one of his best seasons;
      – Afflalo playing 30 minutes a game in this system, will find himself taking a lot of open shots and improving on his past two years;
      – DWill already has outperformed expectations on this blog. He’s a better version of JR: as athletic, but bigger, with a better inside game, and a lesser propensity for stupidity on the court and off than JR;
      – For the first time in years, the Knicks have two young, competent point guards, able to break down defenses and limit TOs, and legit back ups at both SG and PG; and
      – They also have depth at C and PF.

      Re: Lopez

      I don’t agree with those getting angry about Lopez’s rebounding.
      The background on this guy is he is not a stat guy; he’s a glue guy.
      His rep is he does what the team needs him to do.
      My observations of him are that he is one of the few guys I see routinely boxing out. He offers solid interior D, averaging about a block a game. I have a suspicion having KP on his team is going to retard his stats.
      But he’s also shooting 50% from the field.
      He’s not killing it; but he’s contributing. I think after about 20 games, he’s going to figure out how to play with a 7’3 freak, Melo and his guards.
      I also like that he’s into the game and cheering on his teammates even when he’s not playing.

      patience.

    7. For the first time in years, the Knicks have two young, competent point guards, able to break down defenses and limit TOs, and legit back ups at both SG and PG

      Are both legit backups named Langston Galloway?

    8. So, it’s too early to make an educated guess that this team is not very good, but it’s not too early to paint unrealistically rosy pictures of the team’s future, in spite of all the evidence?

      I have no problem with either position – but I find it quite unfair and hypocritical to chastise people for not sharing a particular vision…

      There is negative trolling and positive trolling, if anyone is interested. There are haters and fanboys, if anyone cares to be objective. And there is a minority looking at things the way they truly are. No crime for being on any group – let’s just accept other people’s perspectives….

    9. I’m Predicting kp has his best game of the season against the Lakers frontcourt, grant has 7 assists at the minimum and the knicks win 110 to 92

    10. “I have no problem with either position – but I find it quite unfair and hypocritical to chastise people for not sharing a particular vision…”

      You really don’t get it. Nobody is chastising you for not sharing a particular vision. And are you really in the minority? Clearly you haven’t read Mike K, THCJ, JK47, DRed, Z, Count, max, Donnie Walsh, and many others over the years. There are plenty of frequent posters here who are hardly “fanboys,” not to mention the founder and some of the authors. They are just more polite than you, and far more clever.

      The good news is, once someone starts playing the fanboy card, they are usually not long for this site. Not because they have negative opinions about the Knicks, but because they eventually establish themselves as tedious drones that add little to the discourse.

    11. @cnb, trolling speaks volumes about the troll, and little about the poster to whom the troll is responding. Rhetoric has structure for a reason and if you can’t articulate your points without resorting to ad hominem and logical fallacies, than you have no point.

      No real knicks fan believes this team is winning a championship, but for the first time in a decade we have the foundation of a very good team, kp is a unique player in this league and a vastly belmtter rebounder than the pundits gave him credit for. Grant will be a top 10 pg in the nba and melo is melo. That’s a great start

    12. I don’t even think the real positive people such as myself are saying everything is perfect with the team. We’re just seeing improvement in team attitude and teamwork in general and enjoying watching our young guys run around and hoping we can get it together after 20-30 games. I don’t think whoever the 1 seed is will be excited about facing us in the first round of the playoffs if we grab the 8 seed. We’re the type of team that could put some wear on an older veteran squad with our athleticism. Yeah we’ll lose but they’ll have to earn it every night.

    13. @dred do you not think grant is a legit nba pg?

      I don’t know yet. He certainly has played like one so far. The problem is that that I can’t identify the two legit backups Frank O says we have on the roster. I’m willing to give Jose some more time. He’s been one of the best shooters in the NBA for his career, and if he can start hitting his 3’s at a rate near his career average, he might be a net negative, but not one so bad that you can’t play him. But it’s also possible he’s just cooked. Sasha has done the non-scoring things alright, but he’s currently rocking a 36 TS% (best among our starting guards!), which is unplayable. And who knows what Afflalo is going to give us if he ever gets healthy.

    14. You really don’t get it. Nobody is chastising you for not sharing a particular vision. And are you really in the minority?

      Actually, I’m not trying to defend myself from anyone – I’m more interested in exposing the hypocritical comments and Pollyanna-like trolls that, day after day, drone on about how their unrealistic expectations will become a reality if a long list of miraculous occurrences go the Knicks’ way, while chastising those who dare disagree.

      they eventually establish themselves as tedious drones that add little to the discourse.

      Have you ever looked at yourself in a mirror?

      That’s exactly how you come across with your deluded optimism, devoid of any coherent analysis. That, however, has not prevented me from ignoring your silly ultra-optimistic, tedious and boring posts. I only bother with you because, like an attack dog, you are ready to pounce of the newcomer with a dissenting voice. Like I’m afraid of a ban…lol…we are not kids and this is a nice blog, but far from the only one. And if staying means I have to sheepishly agree with people like you, I prefer to enjoy a hefty ban.

      End of topic for me. Have the last word.

    15. “This board is the typical Knicks fan board: lots of bias and game-by-game look at the full picture.”

      CNB’s definition of coherent analysis.

      Can you point me to a team blog where this is not the case? Just one. Please!

    16. @6

      I don’t disagree with anything you said. I’m way more optimistic about the long term than I have been in a very long time. I just don’t think we have much margin of safety for this season. If we don’t get our act together quickly (winning today would be good start) we are going to be an also ran in the playoff hunt. The east is not that bad. It just feels bad because the west is ridiculously strong.

      Guys like Calderon can’t play THIS badly.

      Melo has to start having a game here or there where he’s killer good and fewer where he’s mediocre or bad.

      We desperately need Afflalo back, healthy and playing well. Not so much because he’s so good, but because our backcourt is so bad without him.

    17. The season has gone basically as I expected, with two exceptions:

      KP has been much better than I dared hope (if still incredibly raw, etc etc).

      Melo has been much worse than I hoped (if still recovering from surgery, etc etc).

      I expected little from Calderon and Sasha and so far have got it. I expected Grant would show promise, and he has. I expected Lopez would be solid, if unspectacular, and (mostly) he has.

      The real issue is that I expected Fisher to be weak in his adjustments and substitutions, and so far, he has. It’s great that players love him, and he certainly inspires them to play hard…but at a certain point, you have to learn to play smart. That doesn’t seem to be him, and I have little hope he’ll adjust.

      So, I still expect it’s a 34-win team…that should be a 40-win team, but won’t, because Fish will cost us a game every couple of weeks that we should have won.

    18. “That’s exactly how you come across with your deluded optimism, devoid of any coherent analysis. That, however, has not prevented me from ignoring your silly ultra-optimistic, tedious and boring posts.”

      I have no problem with this opinion. It’s about me and not KB in general.

      “I only bother with you because, like an attack dog, you are ready to pounce of the newcomer with a dissenting voice.”

      Depends on the direction of the dissent. If it’s with me, no problem, bring it on. If it’s with the integrity of KB, yes, I will vehemently object to baseless generalizations about the posters and writers.

      “Like I’m afraid of a ban…lol…we are not kids and this is a nice blog, but far from the only one. And if staying means I have to sheepishly agree with people like you, I prefer to enjoy a hefty ban.”

      For the record, I have never suggested that anyone of your ilk should be banned. Feel free to check the archives. however, I have been pretty consistent in responding to those who demean the blog’s community by playing the “fanboys rule at KB and I’m not welcome because I’m not a sheep” card. It’s so lame, yet so predictable.

    19. Denaglo Russell will have a field day. We will be down 10 in the first then the usual catch up game will start again. I just don’t get jt

    20. D’Angelo speaking at his HOF induction ceremony 30 years from now:

      This is a great honor. I recall my first few games as a pro when I really struggled. I began to doubt myself. Did I really belong? Did I have what it takes? And then on an autumn Sunday in NYC, I shot something like 90% from the field. That was the jolt I needed and what set me on the path to this day and destination.

      ******

      I’d say this is a must win for Fish not the Knicks. If NYK lose at home to Lakers and Grant/Galloway don’t play big minutes, he’s really gonna hear it from all sides. I’ve liked a lot of what Fish has done so far: Zinger in the starting lineup, managing his minutes, playing up-tempo, having Grant drive and execute PnRs, playing a lot of guys, veering from the Triangle (which doesn’t fit this team) to the extent Phil will allow him, benching Early for doggin’ it in practice ? and a few other things. In the larger picture, those are more important to me than rotations this early. That said, Fisher was just a veteran guard like Calderon at the tail end of his career so he’s able to relate to Cald’s situation on a very personal level. But he needs to get past that as well as the general vet favoritism and increase Grant’s mpg from 24 to 30-35. That starting unit desperately needs some play-making skills. I shudder to think what this team would have been like so far and its future prospects this season without Grant. Let him make some mistakes and learn against opponents’ starters just like Zinger. It’s not like it would be costing us anything.

    21. Nothing I have seen from Fisher gives me the impression that he’s going to be a high level coach that just needs more experience. On the contrary, if feels like he’s a terrible talent evaluator that makes some very suspect substitutions.

    22. Re: the Fisher criticism:
      Despite the hand wringing over who starts, the Knicks have either had the lead or been tied in 4 of the 6 games thus far, including 2 of the losses. Galloway (28) and Grant (23) both average more minutes than Calderon (21), and Galloway more than Vujacic (25). This suggests that who starts is not an issue, but rather, who plays the most. In the last game, Galloway played 32 minutes, Calderon only 16. Grant played 23 minutes and had 4 fouls.

      I think it’s reasonable for Fisher to continue to start Calderon and Vujacic, but to systematically reduce their minutes if they continue to struggle. Starting Grant is especially questionable, because if he struggles vs. the many great PGs from minute 1, that could have repercussions for the entire game. It’s hard to believe that Calderon has forgotten how to convert a wide-open 3-pointer, and he had 3 great looks in the first quater vs. Bucks and clanged all 3.

      When Afflalo suits up one day, this will all be revisited, but for now, who starts is simply not an urgent matter. Why not try tweaking Calderon through the media like Fisher just did?

    23. When Afflalo suits up one day, this will all be revisited, but for now, who starts is simply not an urgent matter. Why not try tweaking Calderon through the media like Fisher just did?

      I think it’s important for Gallo and Grant to play big minutes and to start in this game because you don’t want to let the two young Laker guards start strong and gain confidence. BTW Melo better not let a broken down Kobe torch him either. This is an important game in so many ways.

    24. As to Fisher as a “talent evaluator,” I don’t really see that as a problem. He might consider shortening the rotation and playing guys like Galloway and Grant more, but is there a guy that should be playing that isn’t? Cle? Should DWill be playing more? It’s so early in the season that I don’t think it’s fair to judge his evaluation of the talent on the team. If nothing changes minutes-wise after we go 3-10, maybe.

    25. The main reason we are 2-4 is that Melo is shooting at a TS% of .488, and even that is grossly inflated by one great game.. We will not win many games if that continues, no matter how much or how little the other players play.

      Similarly he Rockets didn’t seem to win much when Harden was shooting very poorly. Same with the Bulls and Rose.

    26. Part of the reason he’s shooting so poorly is that he’s been required to create a lot of his low % shots. There’s no other play-maker in the starting lineup. Zinger’s not there yet in terms of shot creation. Melo’s best year was when Felton/Chandler PnR set off a chain reaction leading to some easy open looks in the flow of the offense. Grant should be able to help in that regard – and not just for Melo.

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