Knicks Morning News (2015.05.06)

  • [New York Times] NBA-Grizzlies Maul Warriors to Even Series (Wed, 06 May 2015 06:40:24 GMT)

    Mike Conley outplayed NBA Most Valuable Player Stephen Curry and defensive ace Tony Allen harassed All-Star Klay Thompson into an off-shooting night as the Memphis Grizzlies stunned the top-seeded Golden State Warriors 97-90 on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Conley Comes Back, Leads Grizzlies Past Warriors 97-90 (Wed, 06 May 2015 06:37:43 GMT)

    Mike Conley returned just eight days after having facial surgery to score 22 points, and the Memphis Grizzlies used a smothering defensive effort to beat the Golden State Warriors 97-90 on Tuesday night, evening the Western Conference semifinals 1-1.

  • [New York Times] TIPOFF: Paul ’50-50′ for Clippers; Bulls’ Rose Ready to Play (Wed, 06 May 2015 06:16:28 GMT)

    Los Angeles Clippers coach Doc Rivers thinks the odds are 50-50 point guard Chris Paul will return tonight to try to help the Clippers build a 2-0 lead over the Houston Rockets in the Western Conference semifinals.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Hawks Capitalize on Absence of Wizards’ John Wall (Wed, 06 May 2015 04:25:09 GMT)

    Wall, who finished out the series opener despite injuring his left hand, was a surprising scratch as top-seeded Atlanta evened its Eastern Conference semifinal series at one game apiece.

  • [New York Times] With Wall Out, Hawks Beat Wizards 106-90 to Even Series 1-1 (Wed, 06 May 2015 03:52:29 GMT)

    DeMarre Carroll scored 22 points, Kyle Korver bounced back from a miserable first half and the top-seeded Atlanta Hawks held off the Washington Wizards 106-90 on Tuesday night, taking advantage of John Wall’s absence to even the Eastern Conference semifinals at one game apiece.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Break Wizards’ Unbeaten Spell to Level Series (Wed, 06 May 2015 03:43:24 GMT)

    Forward DeMarre Carroll led five double-figure scorers with 22 points as the Atlanta Hawks used an 11-2 run midway through the final quarter to pull away for 106-90 Game Two victory over the Washington Wizards on Tuesday.

  • [New York Times] Isiah Thomas Is Back at Garden in Surprising Role: President of Liberty (Wed, 06 May 2015 02:34:14 GMT)

    Thomas, a former Knicks coach and executive who was often a lightning rod for criticism, had been serving as an adviser to the Liberty in recent months.

  • [New York Times] Sports of The Times: James Dolan Gives an Executive Another Shot, Deserved or Not (Wed, 06 May 2015 01:13:42 GMT)

    Dolan, the Knicks’ owner, has decided to get into the business of raising reputations from the ashes. He has recalled Isiah Thomas from purgatory, to serve as president of the W.N.B.A.’s Liberty.

  • [New York Daily News] Isiah Thomas hired as president of WNBA’s Liberty (Wed, 06 May 2015 03:42:22 GMT)

    Isiah Thomas isn’t really back at MSG because in theory he’s never left.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Watch out Phil Jackson, Isiah Thomas is back! (Wed, 06 May 2015 03:16:12 GMT)

    Somehow, someway, Isiah Thomas was going to get back in the building.

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    107 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.05.06)”

    1. Ambivalence abound. Forgive me yal..but vitriol is coming- but imam try not to curse. I’m 38. I’ve lived in MD all my life. I remember when Pitino was HC. I remember suffering through the MacLeod era. I remember the great Hubie Brown’s last years. I remember when Stu Jackson was HC. I remember laughing hysterically while watching Don Nelson make Mase a “point forward” when we already had Harper who was perfectly capable of initating the offense. I remember loving guys like Gerald Wilkins, Kiki Vandeweghe, Trent Tucker, Mark Jackson, and Strickland. Bottom line is to be as far away from NY as I am and only 38..my love of the Knicks runs deep. It’s easy for a distant fan to remember the stars..but I remember goin nuts when Tucker released his jump shot ’cause u knew it was goin in. Anyway..this current Dolan didn’t run the Knicks early in my fandom. So now i’m thinkin “I LOVE my Knicks, but do I wanna support this asshole??” I mean..this is a shitstorm waiting to happen..no..intensify because Dolan has always been a shitstorm waiting to happen since he’s been running the Knicks. There is no kind of spin that you can put on choosing Isaiah Thomas to run the Liberty. I loved him as a player and a talent evaluator. But this here is different. This is the same man who brought a huge sexual harassment case to the Knicks..and Dolan thinks it’s ok for him to be anywhere near a WNBA team? Nevermind the fact that he hasn’t proven himself to be a good team exec. Women don’t wanna be groped, harassed, viewed as meat or something to be conquered and whatnot. The first player that he looks at for more than a second has every right to feel uncomfortable. This is a dumb ass dick move Dolan. And it’s straining my fandom of the Knicks. Even more than getting such a paltry return for trading away a franchise legend and hall of famer in Ewing. Even more than giving Houston 100 mil. Even more than chasing JVG away. This is flat out disgusting. Fucker.

    2. Sorry fellow KB’ers…I couldn’t stop that last word from comin out

    3. Shocking response from the Grizzle after looking like they didn’t belong in game one. Big respect to Mike Conley

    4. What’s funny is I just finished wrapping up the latest episode of Mad Men, an episode that was 80% devoted to sexual harassment in the workplace and how helpless the whole situation can end up being.

      Long story short for people who don’t want watch the show. Joan (the one with all the physical “endowments”) starts a new job at a new company and her male assistant wants to fuck her. She tactfully goes to her supervisor who decides to become her assistant instead and makes it clear he wants to fuck her even moar. At her wit’s end she complains to the head of the company, who in no uncertain terms tells her to stfu, bend over, take it and be grateful she’s even there.

      The whole thing ends on a downer as Joan realizes her only three options are A) become the company whore (literally) B) take them to court knowing full well she’ll just end up penniless and destitute from the lawyer fees or C) to eat shit and quit.

      Now this is a show that takes place in the early 70’s and such attitudes are supposed to be long past. And yet isn’t this all eggzctly what Dolan did to the woman who complained about Isiah. “What’s that he sexually harassed you? Ok stfu, you’re fired”

      James Dolan is the real life embodiment of one of the nastiest villains to ever grace television. I mean we can’t even faux joke about this in the typical fan venting “Oh our team has a shitty owner. Guess we gonna suck. LOL.” This is a guy literally putting women in a position of fearing for their livelihood and chastity and saying “Fuck you. I’m the owner. Try and stop me.”

      What a sick fucking deplorable piece of shit.

    5. Can someone tell me what their criteria are for leaving this mess once and for all?
      (It seems like they’ve done it all, and here we still are)

    6. Yeah, this latest news is deplorable. I actually feel bad for the employees of the Knicks and MSG organizations — not the players, but the people working in the trenches, e.g. the assistant video editor who is working 16 hours/day preparing game tape, the people who work in marketing trying to convince people to spend money to watch this wretched team, heck even the Knicks City Dancers who barely get paid.

      I’ve sort of leaned this way for awhile, but I’m going to root against the Knicks. I used to be a fan as a kid, but I can’t root for them anymore, because of Dolan. Rooting against the Knicks is like jumping on the bandwagon, so I’ll root against the Rangers for good measure too.

    7. @6: Yes. What would they have to do to make you stop being a Knicks fan.

    8. Heh, wetbandit, I honestly don’t know. Thing is, I truly believe the Knicks are more than Dolan, and for him to taint them in a way that would make them impossible to root for, he would have to do something very, very disgraceful, but I can’t quite figure out what.

      This Isiah Thomas thing is quite bad, but look, every thing Dolan has done reeks of ignorant, arrogant incompetence and offensive preposterousness, so even this PR clusterfuck falls squarely in the mold of every single Dolan thing.

      I suppose there is also no way to undermine Dolan’s empire. He’s just way too rich and his properties make too much money. I guess we have to endure, while distancing ourselves from every single morally questionable move made by Dolan, until our Steve Ballmer comes around.

    9. Remember than being a Knicks fan also means being a Clyde fan. A Willis Reed fan. A Patrick Ewing fan. A Mase fan. A Pablo (??!) fan. All of those things can’t be tainted by that asshole.

    10. Remember than being a Knicks fan also means being a Clyde fan. A Willis Reed fan. A Patrick Ewing fan. A Mase fan.

      I really, really like this quote.

    11. Anucha Brown relishes her millions and would not change a single thing about the incident

      Dude.

    12. Anucha Brown relishes her millions and would not change a single thing about the incident that made her a millionaire overnight. Stop the drama.

      You had been doing so well! Like, a whole week or so without posting some drivel straight out of one of Rush Limbaugh’s books. Oh well. Back to square one.

    13. I actually had a conversation with a person who is fairly high up in cablevision and they love the work place. There’s a game room and a gym. Said Dolan sits in on meetings occasionally and is a pretty good guy. He also doesn’t follow basketball…

    14. He is a true entertainer and that’s all we can ask for

      It’s comforting to know a woman subjected to illegal advances and treatment and who ended up losing her job and livelihood is really just damn good entertainment.

    15. @Luke

      A few questions:

      You really don’t think good basketball is the goal?

      Sexual harrassment is good entertainment?

      It’s a ‘smart move’ to hire Zeke?

    16. Captain Luke – I agree with a lot of the things you say about Phil Jackson and the general awfulness of the direction the Knicks have taken/are taking. However, your post is misogynistic and downright disgusting. That you can write “Anucha Brown relishes her millions and would not change a single thing about the incident that made her a millionaire overnight” makes you look extremely small and pathetic. Are you also defending Roman Polanski because he makes “great” movies and/or Floyd Mayweather because he’s a great boxer? Come on – you have to know what you wrote is beyond awful and if you don’t, then you need to ask yourself; if Brown was your daughter, would you be ok with the Thomas hire?

    17. I didn’t realize that the conversation moved on to this thread, so I’ll repost:

      So you’re essentially saying that you should sell your soul to pursue a career. Many people feel that way. Many people don’t. It’s always a personal choice. No one is forced to work for a sleazebag.

      The WNBA has scores of powerful, take-no-nonsense women in the organization. They don’t need me to fight their battles. To assume that they do is just another form of sexism. My spouse is the ultimate feminist, and when she is outraged about something, there’s no holding her back, certainly not any concern about loss of status in her profession.

      Civil rights causes move forward most quickly when those who have much to lose take principled stands. If Isiah’s employees feel that it is not worth making a stand, I’m totally OK with that, especially since there are serious legal consequences for reprisals vs. whistleblowers (as Dolan and Isiah found out.) If they (or their union, or the league) do not take a stand, it suggests that his being in his new position is not morally reprehensible enough for them to take a stand. So, given the circumstances, I have no problem with his being hired RELATIVE TO HIS LEGAL HISTORY. No one could argue that he was not held accountable, and that ABS didn’t get a fair shake. So unless he repeats his behavior in his new position, it’s not my place to say that he should never be in a position to supervise female employees ever again, or to assume that he is going to engage in the same behaviors again. The League leadership may feel otherwise, women’s groups may feel otherwise, and KBers may feel otherwise.

      However, I have a MAJOR problem with his being hired relative to his record of success.

    18. I do think that Luke takes it way to far by suggesting that ABS would do it all again.

    19. So you’re essentially saying that you should sell your soul to pursue a career. Many people feel that way. Many people don’t. It’s always a personal choice. No one is forced to work for a sleazebag.

      No. They’re saying that there is a base-line of decency/inclusiveness/etc. that a workplace should be required to maintain.

      You require the use of a wheelchair, and your employer won’t make your workplace accessible? Your choice to work for them.

      You are a woman, and your boss hires a man who was the center of an $11M sexual harrassment lawsuit? Oh, too bad. It’s your choice to work for him.

      Storytime: My girlfriend was once subtly “let go” for insisting that her coworkers not use the word “whores” when referring to women. She also wasn’t too keen on her company requiring a one-hour unpaid lunch specifically so they could watch Maury and make disparaging comments about blacks, women, et al., but since she was a recent-college-grad administrative assistant and they had the power and money, she didn’t have too much to do except come home to me jobless.

      Do you really think it’s as simple as “quit if you don’t like it,” Z-Man? I identify as a libertarian and even I don’t believe in that simplistic attitude.

      (And yeah, I’m officially in the “ban Captain Luke” camp. I don’t think Mike should actually do it, but I would be in full support.)

    20. We’re never going to get any women to post here if y’all keep this shit up. And I come here in part to escape from politics.

      I will strongly object to one thing, however. Isiah Thomas does not have a great eye for talent. The Eye of Thomas brought us such Knicks greats as Jerome James, Fat Eddy Curry, and the animated corpse of Steve Francis. Ariza was a great pick, but the Eye of Thomas looked at him and dealt him for a far shittier player. David Lee was a great draft pick. And that’s about it. Put that up against the huge mountain of evidence that suggests Zeke wouldn’t know a talented basketball player if one got in the truck with him and I have no idea why people perpetuate the myth of Zeke and his magic talent eye. If he’s got one, he keeps it shut most of the time.

    21. I can’t believe there are people who think women should just find another job if they are being subjected to sexual harassment. No punishment for the sexual harassers, only for the one being harassed. No wonder why this still continues today, because not enough men will stand up for the rights of women.

    22. In his own inimitable fashion, the Captain has actually, in a roundabout way, raised an interesting question. We are all outraged that Dolan would bring such a lowlife back to the Garden. Would we all be as outraged if his prior tenure with the Knicks been a big success on the court — like if they made the conference finals a couple times and the league finals once? I would like to think that we would be, but I am not sure about that. Sports fans tend to overlook a lot if their teams are successful.

    23. I mean it wouldn’t change my opinion that Dolan is a piece of shit that should probably die from a heart attack soon if that’s what you’re asking

    24. What would stop me from being a Knicks fan is a combination of this shit (embarrassing sexual harassment issues, Donald Sterling’s racism etc.) and trading away our draft pick or something equally moronic.

      However if James Dolan were Sterling (discriminating against blacks on his housing properties, saying the vile shit he said) I would never be a fan of the Knicks again until he was gone. This whole Isiah debacle is real close though.

    25. So you’re essentially saying that you should sell your soul to pursue a career. Many people feel that way. Many people don’t. It’s always a personal choice. No one is forced to work for a sleazebag.

      If only it were that simple. This is like saying that conditions for Bengali garment workers must not be that bad because they haven’t revolted. It’s completely unfair to ask someone (or a large group of people) to choose between their sole source of livelihood and their desire to not be serially sexually harassed. This is especially true with a group of people like WNBA players or staff who presumably will have a tough time finding employment elsewhere.

    26. Can someone tell me what their criteria are for leaving this mess once and for all?
      (It seems like they’ve done it all, and here we still are)

      Well, we’re not all still here. At least, not as Knick fans.

      I quit being a fan of the team after in linfuriation in 2012. Lin made it fun to be a knick fan for the first time in a decade, and Dolan (and Anthony, and JR Smith) pulled the rug out from under the fun before we’d barely even cracked a smile over it. It was then that I asked myself “why do I spend so much time and energy rooting for a team that is unrootable?”. And “because I like the laundry” just wasn’t a good enough reason.

      I didn’t follow the league for 2 years. But it’s hard to just erase 25+ years of history, so I’ve continued to read this site and this year have started commenting again under a pseudonym (that does not have the name “Luke” in it!). I have to say that I not only didn’t root for the Knicks this year, I found myself actively rooting against them. And, to be honest, watching their disaster of a season play out has been a pleasure. I highly recommend trying it, even if it’s only for a year or two!

    27. While it’s very likely that Thomas will be a terrible GM of the Liberty from the point of view of making it a good team and business success; I think it’s quite possible he won’t harass anyone sexually (and I really hope I am not jinxing this by writing this). Let’s look at what Anucha said he actually did. She said

      Browne Sanders said Thomas’ behavior soon became sexually
      charged, saying he told her he was “very attracted” to her and
      “in love” with her and tried to kiss her. She charges that last
      month, he hugged and tried to kiss her, and when she pulled away,
      he said, “What, I can’t get any love from you today?”

      By the standards of athletic sexual misconduct, that’s pretty mild. The biggest issue in the case was actually that Anucha was fired for complaining about Thomas’s behavior. Dolan basically admitted this. MSG deservedly paid a big fine for this behavior. Now it’s true that Dolan is bull headed enough to fire someone again if she complains about sexual misconduct on Isiah’s part. But it’s also true that Thomas was so upset about the case that he reportedly took an overdose of sleeping pills. I think it’s very possible Thomas will never want to be in the same position again and this will temper his behavior. And he’s going to be spending a lot more time around women than he has in his previous jobs. Maybe he will learn something from them.

    28. And if does, he goes to jail.

      Except he probably wouldn’t because he has millions of dollars and is backed up by Dolan and so would have the best lawyers money could buy.

      fanshionable to hate Isiah Thomas

      He was convicted of sexual harassment and has destroyed every basketball related entity he has touched since he quit playing without showing a shred of remorse and you think that hating Thomas is an issue of bandwagoning?

    29. it’s not like Isiah will rape one of the Liberty players next. And if does, he goes to jail. Life goes on.

      No, it actually fucking doesn’t just “go on” for the victim, which is why you want to prevent it from happening in the first place. I’m not saying Isiah Thomas will sexually harass a Liberty player but the fact that we’re even talking about it as a possibility should rule him out.

    30. By the standards of athletic sexual misconduct, that’s pretty mild. The biggest issue in the case was actually that Anucha was fired for complaining about Thomas’s behavior. Dolan basically admitted this. MSG deservedly paid a big fine for this behavior. Now it’s true that Dolan is bull headed enough to fire someone again if she complains about sexual misconduct on Isiah’s part. But it’s also true that Thomas was so upset about the case that he reportedly took an overdose of sleeping pills. I think it’s very possible Thomas will never want to be in the same position again and this will temper his behavior. And he’s going to be spending a lot more time around women than he has in his previous jobs. Maybe he will learn something from them.

      Thomas doesn’t deserve a job that has anything to do with women until he makes a public apology (he never did)–and the perceived “mildness” of sexual harassment is not for men to judge. Anucha felt threatened, rightfully, and no women should have to feel threatened in the workplace. You thinking it’s “mild” means less than nothing. The bottom line is that he creates a threatening environment for women and shouldn’t be employed in any WNBA organization in any capacity, and this doesn’t even begin to address his GM-related incompetence.

      There is literally no defense of this hiring.

    31. Let’s be honest about it: if you advertise a position that will pay 9 million dollars for going through an experience of sexual harassment from the boss, (not rape or kill or anything drastic. read what Isiah actually did), 99.9% of the women in the USA and the entire world would take it.

      Does this disgusting misogyny merit a ban or at minimum a warning or do we have to hear his opinions on women wearing provocative clothing, police brutality, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before it’s beyond the pale?

    32. It’s not true that Thomas destroyed every basketball related entity he touched since he quit playing. You forget that he coached the Indiana Pacers for three years. Each year he coached them they had a better record than the previous year and they were .500 or better each of the three years. He was a terrible GM for the Knicks; but as a coach for them, I think the record is mixed.

    33. Not to mention that it’s not even legal to implement your ‘views’ on this matter, as they are too extreme.

      I didn’t say it should be illegal to hire him. I implied it should be fucking elementary to anyone with a functioning brain that he’s a horrible choice for the job on both moral and practical grounds. Do you disagree?

    34. Alecto, I would agree with you if Thomas had been told by his management to stop making passes at Anucha and didn’t stop or even if his management had said to him something to the effect of “you’re making Anucha very uncomfortable. Change your behavior towards her”. But the trial didn’t seem to address this point at all, and from Dolan’s testimony it seems unlikely Thomas was told to change his behavior. It’s clearly true that he made Anucha very uncomfortable. I don’t see how that generalizes to “every woman in the workplace will feel threatened by him”.

    35. The man committed the crime and paid the price. That should be the end of it.

      Pretty sure MSG paid out the settlement and Isiah never really admitted any wrongdoing so as usual you’re wrong.

    36. Does this disgusting misogyny merit a ban or at minimum a warning or do we have to hear his opinions on women wearing provocative clothing, police brutality, and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before it’s beyond the pale?

      +1. That’s all I’m going to say about that. Love this site usually, but some of the crap in this thread is just downright gross.

    37. Oh yeah I forgot about the vaunted safeguards that the U.S legal system supplies for women and minorities!

      He actually shouldn’t be allowed, legally, to be hired in the WNBA. The fact that it is legal isn’t a point in favor of the Thomas defense, it’s a point against the U.S legal system and is typifies how profoundly moronic the U.S legal system actually is.

    38. And yes, if there was legislation that barred convicted sex offenders from holding positions of power in female dominated institutions, there is a good chance I would support it.

    39. . I don’t see how that generalizes to “every woman in the workplace will feel threatened by him”.

      It’s less that “every woman will be threatened by him” and more that he’s known for making unwanted advances upon women and not thinking that’s issue and so makes the workplace unsafe for women even if he doesn’t sexually harass again–until we’re given good reason to see that he has reformed (we haven’t yet) he should be barred from employment in the WNBA.

    40. At the very least, an NBA team shouldn’t use as their defense for hiring a guy deemed by a jury to be a sexual harasser that they don’t think that the jury was correct in their ruling.

    41. He actually shouldn’t be allowed, legally, to be hired in the WNBA. The fact that it is legal isn’t a point in favor of the Thomas defense, it’s a point against the U.S legal system and is typifies how profoundly moronic the U.S legal system actually is.

      So you would have a law that anyone who lost a civil suit should be barred from certain jobs for life? I am sure you know that civil suits are very different from criminal ones and legally are always supposed to be settled financially, that is, with monetary penalties.

    42. “until he makes a public apology (he never did)”
      Not only didn’t he make an apology, he went on the radio this morning and said that he didn’t do anything wrong. And MSG issued a statement yesterday that he didn’t do anything wrong. That’s what bothers me most about the whole thing.

    43. If you disagree that it should be illegal for him to hold the position, that’s one thing. If you don’t recognize that his hiring is a god damn disgrace regardless of legality, that’s another. A man who is a known sexual harasser will be put in charge of the livelihood of low paid women whose employment options outside of his institution are likely bleak. I don’t see how that doesn’t set off an alarm to you. Then again, there is a lot of stuff I don’t understand about you, to put it nicely.

    44. until we’re given good reason to see that he has reformed (we haven’t yet) he should be barred from employment in the WNBA.

      Well he has worked in the broadcasting industry for a number of years now, and there are many attractive women sports broadcasters, and there has been no scandal. How exactly should he show that he has reformed?

      Note that none of my comments should be construed to mean that I think he is a good hire as head of the Liberty, but I agree with Luke that it’s Dolan’s decision.

    45. Nothing to see here. Jimmy is a moron, made a moronic decision (from a basketball/PR/business perspective), and his punishment will be to renew his reputation as a bros-before-hos, i’m-always-right moron. Dogs everywhere continue to eat their own shit. Some things you can’t change. Although dogs have far more redeeming qualities than Jimmy.

      Whether or not this hiring is offensive to the ladies of the NY Liberty is for them and them alone to decide, and I’m sure they’ll have no problem letting us know if he acts up in the slightest. In many ways, being in a female-dominated environment should make it even less likely that he does something misogynistic or otherwise generally offensive to females.

      I hope for everyone’s sake that he doesn’t, and it’d be a bonus if he actually didn’t F up the basketball part.

    46. Ever heard “innocent until proven guilty”? That’s what our American society and our american democratic system says about Isiah Thomas: you can’t convict him before he commits the crime.

      We also have sex offender registries and rules against what someone convicted of certain crimes can and cannot do. Recidivism is real, even if I don’t think it’s likely here.

      Also note that there was never a criminal case – civil liability does not equal “conviction.” OJ was “innocent” in court at least one time.

    47. “Ever heard “innocent until proven guilty”? That’s what our American society and our american democratic system says about Isiah Thomas: you can’t convict him before he commits the crime.”
      Actually, that’s a common misconception that is not quite true. The presumption of innocence until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt exists in one place and one place only — when criminal charges are brought against someone. (So, I guess that you are technically correct if you are using the word “crime” in a literal sense, but I get the clear impression from your various posts that you are using the term in a more figurative sense.) It doesn’t apply in a whole host of other situations including most employment decisions and, most specifically relevant to the debate here, is that does not apply in the court of public opinion. (For that matter, it doesn’t apply if the league in which you own a team decides that you should no longer own the team if you are dumb enough to get taped making racist remarks to your girlfriend.)

    48. Luke:

      Yes, obviously Dolan has the ‘right’ to hire whomever he damn well pleases, and Thomas can take whatever job he pleases, too. No one is arguing that. We are all arguing morality, while you are arguing legality.

      But, to take your prior analogy further, you don’t think that those who sexually harass other groups, “minors, females, males, even the elderly,” should be kept away from at-risk institutions (schools, nursing homes, etc.)? And that if something does happen, the hiring superior should be held accountable for bringing in someone with a history?

      PS: Saying “life goes on” about a victim of abuse is just about the most heinous thing one can say on a message board; it should not be tolerated AT ALL.

    49. Luke, you continue to argue in favor of the hire being legal. I’m not contesting that right now (though personally I don’t think it should be, but that’s a seperate conversation). I, and everyone else, is pointing out that it’s an awful hire from a moral (and practical) perspective. You can think it should be legal while acknowledging it’s still a fuckin’ shitty thing to do. But you don’t think it’s a shitty thing to do because you specialize in repetitive criticism of Phil Jackson and unapologetic misogyny.

    50. I am convinced Captain Luke = James Dolan. If anyone knows a hacker whiz kid, let’s track his IP address and find out! Oh wait, that would be illegal. AND immoral.

      PS – reading through this thread, I was literally just shaking my head at the things CL was saying. It’s pretty sad.

    51. I fear that the BB gods will see this hiring as the most surefire reason to blatantly punish us, giving the 5th pick. And we’ll draft Porzingis, who’ll pull a Fran Vazquez immediately.

    52. those who sexually harass other groups, “minors, females, males, even the elderly,” should be kept away from at-risk institutions (schools, nursing homes, etc.)?

      This is going way overboard in this case. I agree Dolan shouldn’t have hired Isiah for this position. It’s just too offensive for too many fans. But are you saying Isiah should never have a job where any of his co-workers are women? He behaved boorishly but wasn’t convicted of any crime. He lost a civil suit, which is very different.

    53. “No. They’re saying that there is a base-line of decency/inclusiveness/etc. that a workplace should be required to maintain”

      Agreed. And there is. If there wasn’t, ABS would not have had a case, let alone would have won it.

      “You require the use of a wheelchair, and your employer won’t make your workplace accessible? Your choice to work for them.”

      Actually, they are required to by the Americans With Disabilities Act. So, again, this is a non-starter.

      “You are a woman, and your boss hires a man who was the center of an $11M sexual harassment lawsuit? Oh, too bad. It’s your choice to work for him.”

      Absolutely correct. However, should he subsequently engage in these behaviors as your employer, you have legal rights. It is up to you to protect yourself, and you can’t use a person’s history as an excuse legally if he is legally qualified for the position, as Thomas is at this point.

      “Storytime: My girlfriend was once subtly “let go” for insisting that her coworkers not use the word “whores” when referring to women…”

      And if she (perhaps via a personal injury attorney looking to make big bucks on a case) could legally prove that, she could hold them accountable, ruin their reputations and reap a settlement. She might also get hired by a feminist group as a tireless advocate for women’s rights in the workplace. But she chose to do otherwise. Everybody has their threshold for risk.

      “Do you really think it’s as simple as “quit if you don’t like it,” Z-Man?”

      No, I think it’s complicated as hell. But quitting is an option. Whistle blowing to a feminist organization is an option. Staying and ignoring it is an option. Surreptitiously documenting the behavior and anonymously putting it up on YouTube is an option. These are all personal choices. In this case, it’s an organization notable for feminists with clout. If they don’t like Isiah in the fold, they could clearly do something about it.

    54. Knickfan:

      I meant ‘convicted’ in those cases. As in, a convicted child abuser should not be a teacher. I’m aware that Thomas wasn’t convicted.

    55. Don’t blame me for being impartial.

      Nobody is blaming you for being impartial. They are blaming you for being dense and making an argument for something that no one is really arguing about. For someone that has made a living on KB extolling the idiocy of the braintrust in charge of this organization, your inability to understand why this is a terrible move (for example, Thomas has proven himself to be absolutely horrible, or at best mediocre, at all things basketball related outside of actually playing and this is just one more piece of evidence that nepotism is still running amok in MSG) reeks of either deliberate trolling or an insane level of hypocrisy.

    56. Not only didn’t he make an apology, he went on the radio this morning and said that he didn’t do anything wrong. And MSG issued a statement yesterday that he didn’t do anything wrong. That’s what bothers me most about the whole thing.

      Yeah, that’s just really, really weird. Essentially it was, “Why did you hire a man who a jury ruled to be a sexual harasser to run your female basketball team?” “Because eff you, that’s why.”

    57. Some people would argue that denying a man employment opportunities and rights because of a previous legal offense he resolved in a court of law is totally immoral and illegal.

      “New York State law prohibits employers and employment licensing agencies from denying anyone a job or license (or discriminating in other ways) because of any arrest that did not result in a conviction. New York State law only allows an employer to deny you a job because of your criminal record if the crime is directly related to the job or if the employer believes you would be a threat to public safety.”

      “On October 2, 2007, the jury returned a verdict finding Thomas and Madison Square Garden liable for sexual harassment. The jury also levied $11.6 million in punitive damages against MSG, but not Thomas.”

      So, it IS legal to deny someone a job based on a conviction. If it is directly related to the job offered. Soooo, is a guilty verdict on a sexual harassment charge against a female former basketball player (now executive) related to a job supervising female basketball players and executives?

    58. I think we should resolve to stop responding to captain luke as responding to his retrograde opinions masquerading as “arguments” only gives him a soapbox and a reason to post as frequently as possible, which is something I think we all would like to avoid.

      It’s not as if arguing with him will do anything anyway, he’s far too “objective” for that.

    59. Most intelligent observers would soon realize that screaming and hysterically insulting others does not make a valid argument for denying Isiah Thomas his rights as a member of our society.

      Get a grip, boys.

      I’m not sure I sense this “hysteria” you speak of, but if you could do us a favor and climb down off that cross, that’d be just swell.

      I believe Jackson is not qualified to run the Knicks, but I will be the first person to defend his right to hold the position if that’s what Dolan wants.

      So let me see if I have this straight; Jackson should not be in his position because his track record does not meet your standards, and you feel compelled to remind us “angry natives” of this ad nauseam. You will spend every day, every thread, arguing with us hysterically screaming fanboys that Jackson is not qualified to run a professional sports franchise.

      Then, you will turn around and argue that Isiah Thomas is?

      Alright then, deliberate trolling it is. No one is that silly.

      Also, I’ve never see you be the first to defend Jackson at any point. In fact, when others pointed out the very same fact that you are now hiding behind (it being Dolan’s right as a business owner to make that decision), that somehow didn’t matter then; but for some odd reason it does now?

    60. I fear that the BB gods will see this hiring as the most surefire reason to blatantly punish us, giving the 5th pick.

      The reason the BB gods may punish the knicks with the 5th pick is Dope #2 and Dope #3.

    61. “Here’s why I would take Mudiay — I think he’s the one player with the swagger to handle the bright lights and criticism that inevitably come with playing in New York.”

      -Chad Ford

      How does this guy have a job?

    62. Well it’s probably because of all that swagger for the bright lights and criticism

    63. I watched way too many Knicks games last season and I don’t ever remember thinking our problem was lack of swagger

    64. With all the vitriol that is spewed here, you thought that my comment that the “presumption of innocence” applies in a criminal court and nowhere else (which is legally correct) was inflammatory enough to delete? Wow.

    65. You may or may not like it – but that’s the final word. Not my word (although I agree 100% with the determination). It’s our society’s word and no amount of hysteria and silly accusations will change it: it’s perfectly ok for Isiah Thomas to hold this new position. If he behaves ‘bad’ he will be punished again. If not, he won’t. Accept it – it’s the smart and fair thing to do.

      I guess I’ll bite again. Basically your argument is centered around the assumption that our justice system is absolutely perfect when it comes to protecting women and minorities from harassment or discrimination. You speak as if our laws are divinely inspired and infallible. Yes, hiring Isiah Thomas is legal. No, it’s not a decent thing to do to the countless women it may effect. Again, him sexually harassing more women is by no means inevitable, but there are plenty of people out there who don’t have a history of sexual harassment and haven’t fucking laid waste to every basketball related entity they’ve ever been a part of. Yet Dolan chooses Thomas, and you defend this decision on the grounds that our justice system doesn’t explicitly prevent it.

    66. Let me amend my captain luke gag rule: he should only be responded to with ad hominem, and barely merits that. I’ll include an example for illustration:

      People that shouldn’t have their speech protected:
      Neo Nazis
      Westbrook Baptist Church members
      Pamela Gellar fans
      Captain Luke

    67. Over at grantland Kirk G has a fancy stats article claiming that its good that Deandre Jordan gets lots of rebounds and dunks the ball a bunch

    68. Gonna go of topic here and bring up Conley’s game last night against the Warriors. The guy surely has to have shaken his underrated tag by now?

      Also great article Brian. Well worth the read if you get the chance to get off Isiah-gate.

      A little disappointing to read some of the comments today. End of the day, everyone is entitled to have an opinion, however, it’s often better to be an idiot and keep your mouth shut than open it and confirm it to the world.

    69. Silly, transparent lie.

      Is it though? I’m pretty sure it’s not.

      The difference is that you silly boys don’t acknowledge Thomas’ right to be employed at his newest position and come up with absurd arguments (like he should never again be allowed to work next to women because he might do something bad) to support a view without legal or moral grounds.

      I highlighted that last part for you so you can actually read what you wrote, since I think you were too busy coming up with a zinger like “silly boys” to pay much attention to what you’re actually saying, and how much of a double standard you’re setting.

    70. Who would’ve thought that having a high efficiency low usage scorer would be super valuable?! Crazy results from Kirk!

    71. If I have to start complaining about Melo being overpaid to get this back to basketball, I will fucking do it. I swear to krom

    72. Because honestly, his production is not commensurate to his earnings. And Tom Brady is a disgraceful cheater

    73. LeBron stopped wearing his headband as a sign of solidarity with his teammates.

      What?

    74. Hypothesis: at least half of ESPN personnel are hired specifically to troll fans for clicks. Exhibit A: Chad Ford. Exhibit B: Stephen A. Smith. Exhibit C: Real Plus Minus.

    75. I watched way too many Knicks games last season and I don’t ever remember thinking our problem was lack of swagger

      I have to say that I haven’t seen the numbers on his SWAG/48, but my eye test tells me that Cole is possibly last in the league in Swagger. So Chad Ford might actually be on to something.

    76. . . . my eye test tells me that Cole is possibly last in the league in Swagger.

      Have you ever seen one of the bigs in the league pick a fight with Cole? He turns his back on them and calmly walks away unconcerned. That’s swagger.

    77. After we made the Cleveland deal, who did have the most swagger? Bargs? Melo’s hat collection?

    78. Hoolas right cole is occasionally swaggy as fuck but he tends to have intense peaks and troughs of swag as opposed to consistent swagginess a la jr.

      A good question to ask is if to be “swaggy” like “swaggy p” is the same as “having swag”–my intuition is no.

    79. unfortunately Melo’s hat collection has dangerously low serum levels of swag

    80. Kendrick Perkins wouldn’t play for the Knicks and yet here he is getting playoff action yet again

    81. Cavs seem to have made some successful adjustments

      This is why I still wasn’t that concerned for the Cavs after Game 1. Chicago may yet win this series, but I think their offense still has too many seriously exploitable weaknesses over a 7 game series. Once you start to figure out the weak spots (and Noah has been beyond abysmal so far) and work those spots I think even with a bad D like Cleveland has you can get some results.

    82. Shumpert exhausting his requisite 2 good playoff games per playoff season after tonight

    83. Shump is getting paid this off-season. He shouldn’t and it would be a mistake to do so, but he will be.

    84. Also great article Brian. Well worth the read if you get the chance to get off Isiah-gate.

      Also cool article Brian

      Thanks, guys! Definitely a bizarre game!

    85. “Here’s why I would take Mudiay — I think he’s the one player with the swagger to handle the bright lights and criticism that inevitably come with playing in New York.”

      -Chad Ford

      How does this guy have a job?

      Yes, it is foolish based on the whole “Swagger=good” thing, but beyond that, how are Towns, Okafor and Russell not players with a lot of swagger? None of them looked like shrinking violets.

    86. Chris Webber is terrible at his job. But I respect TNT’s legal right to keep him on.

    87. Phil Jackson is unqualified to build a basketball team and threatens the future of the Knicks, but Isiah Thomas slipping in the back door onto the Dolan payroll is no big deal?

      I suspect CL likes to argue the minority opinion more than he likes to argue his actual beliefs. An exercise in rhetoric, perhaps?

      (Either that or he’s actually Isiah, himself, doing what Isiah do best)

    88. Will LeBron wear a headband? Won’t he? Stay tuned!

      Seriously…who gives a fuck?

    89. Austin & Jamal with 5 points on a robust 0-11 shooting performance. . .and the Clips are up 11 without CP3. Amazing.

    90. Sometime I wonder whats wrong with Zeke. When he was fired in indiana i was like wow i thought hes doing something good there. He was hired in NY as GM i was like wow lot of trades! Even how he defended those trade seems intellectual. ie. We just drafted… eddy curry, we cant win without a pg etc. He them became our coach then he suddenly improved our record. Though it is obvious that he failed but I wonder why.

    91. @119

      This is a good question, in my opinion. I mean, Thomas has failed, but other than the CBA fiasco (which could very well have had another ending, since the NBA offered to buy it from him), it seems like most of the criticism derives from his way of communicating things to the general public, and that overarching sense of unwillingness to take a stand for his own mistakes. He’s said and done things (sexual harassment aside) which have happened to every middling coach or GM, but there was such a dissonance between what the public was seeing and what he and the head honchos were saying that he always looked like a spoiled jerk.

      I mean (sexual harassment aside), don’t you envision Barkley doing the exact same things Isiah has done if put in a GM seat? Has not Jordan been arguably worse as the Wizards GM? Was Magic a good coach, or even a good opinionist? Is Reggie Miller not the worst at color commentating?

      The main difference, though, resides in that MSG press statement of today (and in what was present throughout the whole Isiah tenure as GM and coach). “It was never my (our) fault! I’m (we’re) the best!”.

    92. 2005-06 41 41 .500 2-4
      2004-05 44 38 .537 6-7
      2003-04 61 21 .744 10-6
      2002-03 48 34 .585 2-4
      2001-02 42 40 .512 2-3
      2000-01 41 41 .500 1-3

      1999-00 56 26 .683 13-10
      1998-99 33 17 .660 9-4
      1997-98 58 24 .707 10-6

      I bolded the Isiah years in Indy up above and below with the Knicks. Could we please stop with the nonsense.

      2009-10 New York 29 – 53 .354 3rd Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2008-09 New York 32 – 50 .390 5th Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2007-08 New York 23 – 59 .280 5th Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2006-07 New York 33 – 49 .402 4th Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2005-06 New York 23 – 59 .280 5th Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2004-05 New York 33 – 49 .402 5th Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2003-04 New York 39 – 43 .476 3rd Atlantic Division 0 – 4 .000
      Lost East Conf 1st Rd
      2002-03 New York 37 – 45 .451 6th Atlantic Division – – DNQ
      2001-02 New York 30 – 52 .366 7th Atlantic Division

    93. Nick,

      For Isiah’s first three years in NY he was GM and not coach. The last two he was both coach and GM. The team clearly went downhill with him as GM. When coaching duties were added, the team did not go downhill further. So it’s not clear his coaching was worse than that of coaches who were there before. You could argue the actual numbers in the Indiana coaching record either way, but it took him three years to get replaced, which is probably average for an NBA coach. /For example, Woodson and D’Antoni both lasted less time than that with the Knicks. Hence my conclusion that he isn’t awful as a coach. That doesn’t mean I think he’s good as a coach, just that he is not as bad a coach as most in this forum seem to assume. Unfortunately for the Liberty, his ability to coach has no relevance to his ability to run their team.

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