Knicks Morning News (2015.03.27)

  • [New York Times] Highlights of Thursday’s NBA Game (Fri, 27 Mar 2015 04:08:18 GMT)

    Highlights of Thursday’s National Basketball Association game:

  • [New York Times] Ilyasova Scores 34 Points, Bucks Beat Pacers 111-107 (Fri, 27 Mar 2015 03:59:22 GMT)

    Struggling with early season injuries and the adjustment to a new coaching staff, Ersan Ilyasova hasn’t quite been himself for the Milwaukee Bucks.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: Owner’s Grandstanding Confronts Nets With a Dim Future (Fri, 27 Mar 2015 01:32:52 GMT)

    The Nets moved to Brooklyn bragging that they would own the city, but the mediocre reality has been disappointing and has often been at the expense of young talent and draft picks.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks on cusp of setting franchise-worst record (Fri, 27 Mar 2015 03:37:41 GMT)

    The Knicks mercifully have just 10 games remaining this season.

  • [New York Daily News] Bondy: News recalls night Jordan put on 55-point show at MSG (Fri, 27 Mar 2015 02:35:55 GMT)

    Looking back at it now, 20 years later, Pat Riley isn’t even sure Michael Jordan cared much whether he beat the Knicks that night.

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    1. Nice all around game from Willie Cauley-Stein. By contrast pretty quiet night for Towns.

      Let’s see what Okafor brings tonight.

    2. Frank linked to Berman’s latest attack piece at the end of the last thread, so I figured we should bring the conversation here.

      http://nypost.com/2015/03/26/phil-jacksons-d-league-team-just-as-dysfunctional-as-knicks/

      I agree with Frank, it is not a good sign when Berman suddenly turns on the Knicks. It absolutely suggests (heck, “suggest” might be too little, it practically outright states) that someone high up at MSG has turned on Jackson and is setting their attack dog Berman on him. The only hope I have is that it is not Dolan.

      Please don’t be Dolan.

      Please don’t be Dolan.

      This is how pathetic this organization is, after less than a season as the President, someone high up is already having reporters tear down Phil Jackson, and my only “hope” is that it is just someone really high up and not the actual owner of the team.

    3. I think the new cool thing for reporters to do is attack BCT. I wouldn’t get too worried about it. I highly doubt Dolan wants to pay him a bunch of money to fire him in year 1 2 or 3.

    4. Remember Larry Brown? That exact thing happened there. Dolan paid him a ton of money (almost as much per year as Jackson and that was only to coach the team) and turned on him within a year.

    5. Yeah, but Larry Brown was an asshole that had gotten himself fired from a few places before too trying to get some free money if I remember correctly.

    6. Most impressive guy last night was Sam Dekker. Smart player, can get to the rim and a decent rebounder. IMO he’ll be a much better pro than Kaminsky. Neither guy can save a franchise, but for a team picking mid-first round, Dekker would get my vote.

    7. Jackson took a total mess of a team. And then he made it much worse.

      Yes – and after the initial shock of how bad they were, he made them even worse yet. Which is what he should have done. It does us no good to be just bad – we needed to be super-awful. Which is what we are.

      As it is now, we are set up for the most important summer certainly since 2010, but probably since Patrick Ewing (since we have both cap space AND a top 4 pick). If Phil had not willfully made this into a #relentlesstank then we’d have cap space and, say, a pick between 8-10.

      And to be at least a little fair to Phil – Melo is clearly the best player on this roster, and he’s been hurt since the first week of the season. There’s no Russell Westbrook on this roster to pick up the slack.

    8. It all comes down to how much time Jackson deserves before a determination of his capacity is made. When is it too late? When is it too early?

      I think it’s way too early. This is like John Idzik with the Jets, except if Idzik was Mike Holmgren instead of a faceless cap guy who didn’t deserve the benefit of the doubt.

      The Knicks are at a critical juncture where the wrong decision can send the team into another 10-year abyss. The right decision could be the beginning of a better era. Is Jackson the right man for the job?

      We’ll find out. This summer is going to be fascinating.

    9. It all starts with the NY Post being a sensationalist rag. I hate the Post more than I hate Dolan.

      On the other hand, it is a mess and it seems to me that the only purpose of having that team is to have a place to stash Thanasis Antetokounmpo.

    10. Well, I’ve not been easy on Phil Jackson, and as much as I think he could have done better I also say I won’t ever be for firing him, not now, not next year, not the year after.

      There is one big reason to hope Phil stays, and that’s James Dolan. If we fire Phil, he’s going to hire another yes-man and keep on doing what he does best: dive nose-first in basketball operations without knowing anything about basketball, resulting in another decade-plus of utter mediocrity.

      Phil may have failed (and I don’t think so, not yet at least), but without him the team wouldn’t be ridden of a lot of bad apples. There’s real value even in that, you know.

    11. Luke, did you forgot what happened with the last GMs not named Steve Mills? If Phil can limit Dolan’s meddling ways, no damage he does (and we know he has already done some, but many GMs do so anyway) will ever be so big as the one Jimmy would do if left alone.

    12. I’m with you Farfa, 100%. I keep asking about the replacement and I still haven’t heard a peep from the “Fire Jackson” crowd on that front. If you think Phil’s replacement is going to be whichever analytically inclined 28-year old wunderkind is currently San Antonio’s assistant-GM* then I think “Dream On” would probably be the appropriate reply. More likely than not it’s going to be Allan Houston with Isiah whispering in his ear. If you think Phil is unqualified and unprepared, I suspect that you might not be mentally ready for the Allan Houston era.

      *Ten seconds of googling suggests the answer is Brian Pauga – current director of scouting and Austin Toros GM – and appears to be under 30. I’d say it’s a safe bet that he will be somebody’s GM in the next couple years.

    13. Yes, but let’s wait at least until next offseason to properly evaluate Phil’s work. One big damage has already been done, but everyone would have done the same damage (Melo NTC). I guess it was a prerequisite for accepting the job.

    14. It all starts with the NY Post being a sensationalist rag. I hate the Post more than I hate Dolan.

      While true, Berman had been kissing Jackson’s ass all year long until a couple of weeks ago when he abruptly turned on Jackson and now every article has been ripping him. Since Berman just does whatever the Knicks tell him to do, the change almost assuredly came from someone high up at MSG telling Berman to start trashing Jackson. And that’s not good.

    15. there are signs of a rift… i think the biggest one was when francesa ripped into phil during the twitter debacle… francesa during even the isiah thomas years usually kept his mouth shut.. and it’s believed that he has a relationship straight to dolan….

    16. The Westies exist to develop players for the Knicks, not to win games. I wonder if Berman understands that.

    17. That’s what everyone does. That’s what Jackson did with Woodson and Chandler, right? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with it.

      I agree, nothing wrong. But why should we be down the same road again? In doubt (and given the Dolan parameter, which is exactly what thenamestsam said @15) I put my chips on the table of someone who knows a thing or two about basketball and has a bigger ego than Dolan and is out of fucks to give. I’m not a Phil Jackson fan, but you can’t analyze this situation in a vacuum. You have to be aware of the surroundings when venturing in unknown land.

    18. I wonder if Berman understands that.

      Are we talking about the same “Melo will waive his NTC clause – only if he likes the destination” Berman? I wonder if Berman understands the terms “pleonastic” and “redudant”, and if he knows the tale of the Monsieur of Lapalisse.

    19. In the late 1970’s the NY Giants were the most dysfunctional franchise in pro sports. In 1979, they hired George Young as GM. His first #1 pick was some unknown quarterback from Morehead State. What an idiot! Why in the world did they waste their pick on him? They went 6-10 his first year, and then they got worse! They were 4-12 his second year. The team was getting worse, not better! Fire him! He’s an idiot! Bring in someone who knows what he’s doing! Well, the decision to draft Phil Simms turned out to be not such a bad idea and the whole George Young era turned out pretty OK for those of us who lived through it. Patience guys. Maybe the PJ era turns out great, and maybe not. Let’s give it some time before we decide.

    20. Defending Phil Jackson by claiming that Dolan is incapable of finding a good GM replacement takes us into a funny “dialectical twilight zone” because Jackson was found by Dolan himself. What gives?

      It gives that Phil is smarter than Dolan and, again, has zero fucks to give. So even if he is bad, he is less bad than Dolan. That’s still something, when 99% of the other virtual GMs would be overwhelmed by Dolan and would promptly resign after two months (if they’re good GMs) or would stay here doing what Dolan says, which is to sign Kobe in 2016 for the max.

    21. Knowing press guys, it could have to do with Berman just getting shut out of Jackson’s inner circle. The result: Berman getting pissy.

    22. To me it comes down to whether you believe he is or isn’t the man for the job. Time will tell.

      Yup.

      And look, in a vacuum I would tell you that no, he is not the right man for the job. I would snatch whatever Spurs guy or Ainge guy or Morey guy is available and give him carte blanche for the next three years starting now.

      But it’s the Knicks. We’re like a very sick patient, whose primary cause of illness is his/her overbearing spouse. So, even if the nurse is bad, if having said nurse keeps the spouse at bay, it’s better to keep that nurse.

    23. Absolutely, Luke.

      We have no idea of what kind of GM Jackson is. I’m not being emotional. I already said I’m no fan of Phil. I had high hopes for him, and quite frankly he has been an all around disappointment. But this MSG feuds are very bad anyway, and they show for the umpteenth time that this organization if doomed as long as Dolan is in charge, which is forever I guess.

    24. Until some vengeful employee bugs Dolan’s phone and leaks tapes of his private conversations to the press, we are pretty fucked as a franchise.

    25. Until some vengeful employee bugs Dolan’s phone and leaks tapes of his private conversations to the press, we are pretty fucked as a franchise.

      I say we launch a Kickstarter to hook V. Stiviano with James Dolan.

    26. I find it disconcerting that our former favorite poster, ruruland, would write in one-sentence paragraphs, but now, our new favorite poster, Captain Luke, does the same thing — only he hates Carmelo Anthony. I’m pretty sure that ruruland is a beat reporter for a large D-1 college program in the west, so it makes sense, but I’m feeling that Captain Luke might be a beat writer for the NY Post.

    27. Defending Phil Jackson by claiming that Dolan is incapable of finding a good GM replacement takes us into a funny “dialectical twilight zone” because Jackson was found by Dolan himself. What gives?

      I don’t think Dolan is incapable of finding a good GM purely based on the “broken clock is right twice a day” logic. I think that it was a pretty unique set of circumstances that brought us Phil Jackson – Dolan was under some pressure, Dolan is a tremendous starfucker and there was a star available, etc. and that the overwhelmingly most likely outcome of Phil being fired is Allan Houston assuming the basketball operations reigns.

      It’s possible that Dolan would hire someone else who would be excellent, just like it’s possible that Allan Houston will actually turn out to be a tremendous GM. If I’m making wagers on likelihoods though I think Phil has a better chance of turning around a rocky first year to become a solid GM than either of those things happening.

    28. You guys are ridiculous.

      While folks are casting wild aspersions around, I’m going to say (wildly) that YOU ALL are the reason why Knicks fans can’t have good things. Jackson has been GM for a year and change, lost his best player to injury and is positioned for a top-4 draft pick and has a ton of money to spend in free agency, and you want to show him the door for “some unnamed Daryl Morey disciple”?

      I am a Knicks fan for life and the idea — I have no idea where this could possibly come from *looks around the room* – that Knicks fans won’t tolerate rebuilds really gets my goat. I want a team built for the next decade. We might end up with Okafor or Towns next year. They might be perennial all-stars for the next 15 years. We might find gold digging in the middle tiers of free agency. Melo might get unhappy and ask for a trade and we might give it to him, loading up on more youth and picks.

      Or Jackson might draft a guy who immediately blows out his achilles, overpay a bunch of duds, etc etc. He’s barely into his tenure and he’s still got to play a mediocre hand that he inherited from the last front office. (That Bargnani trade will haunt us for a long time)

      All kinds of things COULD happen, but you’ve got to at least let Jackson have a few years and judge him on the results down the road.

      Relative to expectations, this year didn’t actually go that bad, and come to think of it, I’d much rather have an unwatchable 20-win team that has a real shot in the lottery than an Isiah Thomas, maxed out forever 35-win team that gets dogshit in the draft and treads water forever.

      So, relax, cross your fingers, watch the NCAA games, build up some hope, and stop agitating about tearing down the house every time the faucet leaks.

      And as despicable as Dolan is, you do realize he has somehow managed to put the pieces together for a Cup contender, right? I acknowledge this as an Islanders fan, FWIW — I’m just saying *it’s not impossible*

    29. Most impressive guy last night was Sam Dekker. Smart player, can get to the rim and a decent rebounder. IMO he’ll be a much better pro than Kaminsky

      I was saying this all night last night. That kid is a baller. He cant shoot the three though but once he improves he will be ok. Hes already a decent defender. Excellent mid to late first round pick for a good team. That fat kid from Xavier was smooth as hell in the post as well.

      Im very troubled by how Towns was bullied last night.

    30. Great Post TastyCakes. Knick fans are rediculous with this Jackson thing. From the trades to just the constant bitching. Lets get through this offseason first please.

    31. Phil Jackson has two tasks:
      1. In the short term, get the Knicks back to some degree of respectability
      2. Play the long game, collecting assets and building something sustainable for the future

      Things that are not on this list are “win a championship by 2017” or “improve the team by 4o wins in one offseason.” Those are unattainable goals. Phil needs to focus on what is attainable, and do his best to make task #1 come to fruition while really making task #2 the top priority.

    32. I am a Knicks fan for life and the idea — I have no idea where this could possibly come from *looks around the room* – that Knicks fans won’t tolerate rebuilds really gets my goat.

      I agree with this 100%, but the question is this: will Phil Jackson really try to do a full rebuild here? It could not be any more obvious that this team needs a full, top-to-bottom rebuild. He didn’t realize it last offseason, when he signed Melo to a max contract and added salary by acquiring Jose Calderon. Maybe he gets it now. We’ll see.

    33. That fat kid from Xavier was smooth as hell in the post as well.

      Imagine what he would do in the triangle

    34. lost his best player to injury and is positioned for a top-4 draft pick

      Causation over correlation, I guess. But I agree with the need to have patience.

    35. That fat kid from Xavier was smooth as hell in the post as well.

      I think the one thing all of Knickerblogger can agree on is that if Phil makes Matt Stainbrook a Knick then all will be forgiven.

    36. The idea that Jackson is actually getting credit for them having a top four pick this year is absurd. That was categorically the opposite of what he tried to do, but he failed so miserably at what he tried to do that he lucked into a top four pick. That’s great for the franchise, don’t get me wrong. I’m totally pumped about it. But to give him credit for it is silly. Not even the whole “committing to the tank” stuff. The team was 5-35, what in the world else was he going to do?! I mean, yes, I’ll damn him with some faint praise for not being dumb enough to try to turn a 5-35 team into a playoff team, but you’d have to be the worst GM in the history of the NBA to make trades to try to turn a 5-35 team (that owns it own first rounder) into a playoff team.

      I’m perfectly willing to give him time to see what he does this offseason. I’m not judging him overall before this offseason. But I’m sure as heck not giving him credit for them having a top four pick.

    37. The idea that Jackson is actually getting credit for them having a top four pick this year is absurd. That was categorically the opposite of what he tried to do, but he failed so miserably at what he tried to do that he lucked into a top four pick. That’s great for the franchise, don’t get me wrong. I’m totally pumped about it. But to give him credit for it is silly.

      Very fair points. I dont expect him to get credit for that, but like you said we are going down the right path.

    38. The reason the Rangers got competitive is because Dolan deferred to Sather and let him develop a lot of homegrown talent. Dolan so far is deferring to phil but Phil’s kinda operating in a whole different timeframe otherwise especially post MMM.

      There’s no point in firing phil now and to ignore the politics at play in MSG and evaluate Phil in a vacuum pre offseason would be missing the major reason why we’ve beem so bad for so long. Phil’s been mediocre at best but he’s gonna get his fair shake soon enough.

    39. Tasty – don’t paint us all with the same brush. I think Phil’s been a C so far, but hasn’t made any truly catastrophic moves (even the MMM to Melo with a NTC is not catastrophic, though combining the MMM with a NTC seems like a dumb and unnecessary concession), and like many posters, I don’t think you can grade him until you see what he does this offseason with a high pick and a decent amount of cap space.

      I will say that the only thing I ever trusted Isaiah to do well was draft. Not a perfect record by any means, but compared to his peers, he was a B+ drafter. The biggest problem for the Knicks is that they need to be A+ in both draft and cap usage in order to become great any time in the next three years.

    40. You guys are ridiculous.

      While folks are casting wild aspersions around, I’m going to say (wildly) that YOU ALL are the reason why Knicks fans can’t have good things. Jackson has been GM for a year and change, lost his best player to injury and is positioned for a top-4 draft pick and has a ton of money to spend in free agency, and you want to show him the door for “some unnamed Daryl Morey disciple”?

      I am a Knicks fan for life and the idea — I have no idea where this could possibly come from *looks around the room* – that Knicks fans won’t tolerate rebuilds really gets my goat. I want a team built for the next decade. We might end up with Okafor or Towns next year. They might be perennial all-stars for the next 15 years. We might find gold digging in the middle tiers of free agency. Melo might get unhappy and ask for a trade and we might give it to him, loading up on more youth and picks.

      Or Jackson might draft a guy who immediately blows out his achilles, overpay a bunch of duds, etc etc. He’s barely into his tenure and he’s still got to play a mediocre hand that he inherited from the last front office. (That Bargnani trade will haunt us for a long time)

      All kinds of things COULD happen, but you’ve got to at least let Jackson have a few years and judge him on the results down the road.

      Relative to expectations, this year didn’t actually go that bad, and come to think of it, I’d much rather have an unwatchable 20-win team that has a real shot in the lottery than an Isiah Thomas, maxed out forever 35-win team that gets dogshit in the draft and treads water forever.

      So, relax, cross your fingers, watch the NCAA games, build up some hope, and stop agitating about tearing down the house every time the faucet leaks.

      And as despicable as Dolan is, you do realize he has somehow managed to put the pieces together for a Cup contender, right? I acknowledge this as an Islanders fan, FWIW — I’m just saying *it’s not…

      +1

    41. Knick fans are rediculous with this Jackson thing

      C’mon, man. There is exactly one poster on this board that has called for Phil Jackson to be fired. Just because he says it early and often every thread doesn’t make it apply to “Knick fans”. Everybody else here wants to give Jackson time to fix the mess.

    42. C’mon, man. There is exactly one poster on this board that has called for Phil Jackson to be fired. Just because he says it early and often every thread doesn’t make it apply to “Knick fans”. Everybody else here wants to give Jackson time to fix the mess.

      Im sorry i shouldnt generalize. Just saying that there is a lot of complaining about every move. Thats why i dont really say much about it because i get annoyed.

    43. Yeah, but Larry Brown was an asshole that had gotten himself fired from a few places before too trying to get some free money if I remember correctly.

      Larry Brown was brought in because he was a proven winner (coming off of 2 finals appearances and 1 chip). He came in preaching culture change (to get guys to “play the right way”). He made some weird public statements (akin to Phil’s tweets).

      So far, I have to say that Brown and Jackson were/are off to the same starts respectively. It was at about this time that Dolan and his chronies turned on Brown. The Berman stuff could be indicative of the same. Or it could be nothing.

      But there is striking precedent for Dolan paying the biggest name available a lot of money to come to NY then to quickly go the fuck away from NY. Maybe he doesn’t like sharing the ball (may explain why he loves Melo so much). Or, more likely, he doesn’t like his culture changed. He did follow up the firing of Brown with the Anucha Brown (no relation) Saunders sexual harassment debacle, afterall. And would probably hire Isiah back today if the league would allow him to.

    44. Jackson has been GM for a year and change, lost his best player to injury and is positioned for a top-4 draft pick and has a ton of money to spend in free agency, and you want to show him the door for “some unnamed Daryl Morey disciple”?

      tastycakes,

      I’m pretty sure that Chandler’s not injured. I think the Knicks “lost” him to trade.

      http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/368-tyson-chandler

      Just a reminder that Chandler’s about to set a career high in WP48, VORP, BPM, PER and possibly WS48. Most minutes played since 2008.

      Also, I absolutely think Phil Jackson should never have been hired, and should be fired before he trades the #1 pick for Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins or any other of the overpaid pseudostars like Carmelo Anthony that the NBA has to offer.

    45. Phil probably told Dolan that he’d be able to put a winner on the floor this season, and Dolan is probably not too happy that instead he’s getting one of the worst teams in NBA history. Dolan is both an idiot and extremely impatient, so if it ends up that he gives Phil Jackson 85 gazillion dollars to go away, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

    46. Also, I absolutely think Phil Jackson should never have been hired, and should be fired before he trades the #1 pick for Enes Kanter, Greg Monroe, DeMarcus Cousins or any other of the overpaid pseudostars like Carmelo Anthony that the NBA has to offer.

      So glad to find myself disagreeing with you, Jowles. your recent display of moderate restraint had become so concerning.

      So, anyone saying “fire Phil now” – any guess as to the effect that the perception of chaos will create among agents/players in the league about the Knicks as a newly stable destination for FA? Any guess as to who the savior is to step into the role, taking into context that Jimmy D doesn’t defer easily? What’s the better move? Love to hear your specific suggestions as to how to handle this.

    47. I’ve been as hard on Phil as anyone, but I’d give him the draft and free agency to see who he really is (to be sure he’s really as bad as he’s been). Not knowing his plan, it’s hard to make an educated decision. In the next nine months, he could destroy this team for the next five years. Or, he can start building a winning culture here.

      The real question is “What’s Plan B”. If a premier GM tells Dolan at a party he’d love to come to the knicks, and can bring Doc Rivers with him, Dolan should plan a nice going away party for Phil.
      But to fire Phil, then hire one of the regurgitated names that has GM experience is a recipe for disaster.

      Just like the knicks need to be patient and wait for opportunities to acquire FA’s, Dolan should have his eyes on one of the elite GM’s to prematurely succeed Phil, and strike when the opportunity arises.
      Right now, it’s too early to pull the plug.

    48. “C’mon, man. There is exactly one poster on this board that has called for Phil Jackson to be fired. ”

      This. From what I can tell there is only one person on this board out-and-out (constantly – ad nauseam) campaigning for Phil to go. The rest of us are just kvetching here and there as is our wont. There have been some troubling signs, but for me, the best thing about the Phil Jackson signing was that it suggested that Dolan might be willing to withdraw from the day-to-day completely and let someone else take over. Something, he would never do with a Spurs assistant gm in his twenties.

      Dolan is such a cancer that quarantining him is the only thing I care about. And if Phil Jackson is out, it scares me very very much, because mediocre as his tenure has been so far, it could be so much worse if Jimmy D starts asserting himself again.

    49. Ragging on Dolan for hiring Phil is misplaced anger. Sure, Dolan has made mistakes, but he paid crazy money to buy one of the best basketball minds to run the show. Blame Phil for Phil sucking, not Dolan.

    50. Here’s a narrative to try on: PJ is like Brian of Nazareth – stumbling into shit, spewing out gobbledy gook, having a huge menagerie of doting believers, all the while talentless and guided by the invisible hand of fate to achieve great things. He tried to succeed this season and failed – epically so – so badly that it’s improbable that anyone could do it if they tried (viz. Wolves, Sixers). But in the grand scheme of things, this was just what the franchise needed. We draft a superstar rookie, and through a series of additional mercurial, but in hindsight “brilliant” moves, the team catapults into the upper echelons of the league for years to come, and MSG once again earns its place as the mecca of basketball, with PJ as its rightful (if undeserving) messiah, who obviously did some righteous shit in a prior life. Rather be lucky than good, right?

      then I woke up and realized we’re totally fucked.

    51. And if Phil Jackson is out, it scares me very very much, because mediocre as his tenure has been so far . . . .

      Let’s be clear. Phil has been horrendous.
      The Melo contract was disgusting. And giving Tyson away for nothing was moronic. The rest of his moves were just mildly bad.
      The one encouraging sign was that he took responsibility for his errors and quickly switched strategies, pulling the plug and going full tank.

    52. Just a reminder that Chandler’s about to set a career high in WP48, VORP, BPM, PER and possibly WS48. Most minutes played since 2008.

      Honestly, as much as these stats tell you Chandler is healthier this year, is playing well, and is happy in Dallas, it also tells you that Chandler totally mailed it in last year. Completely and totally. If he actually gave it his all last year rather than expending all his energy throwing Woodson under the bus, we probably would’ve made the playoffs and possibly made some noise there, Woodson would still be here, and we wouldn’t be talking about this right now. (we’d be complaining about Woodson)

      The Chandler trade looks/is bad, I still don’t think it’s as bad as many are making it out to be, by the way. Everyone says that Mozgov brought 2 1st rounders so what could Chandler have brought — but they were two totally different situations – 1) Mozgov is a ridiculously underpaid center (<5MM/year) who is under control at that contract through 2015-16, 2) Tyson makes 3x as much and is a UFA after this year, 3) Mozgov is 4+ years younger with no injury history, 4) one of the 1st round picks (the OKC protected pick) is quite likely to turn into 2 second rounders anyway.

      So yes, we would've gotten more than the corpse of Calderon, Larkin, Thanasis, Early, and Dalembert, but my guess is that Mozgov's market value at the trading deadline was higher than Tyson's would have been.

      Look, there's no way you can say Phil has done a good job — but at least he didn’t compound it by going Isiah and trying to salvage an 8th seed.

      This is what all of us have wanted. Tear it down, get cap room, get a high pick, and build. Let’s give it some time.

    53. So yes, we would’ve gotten more than the corpse of Calderon, Larkin, Thanasis, Early, and Dalembert, but my guess is that Mozgov’s market value at the trading deadline was higher than Tyson’s would have been.

      Do you really think, given the choice, Cleveland wouldn’t have preferred Tyson to Mozgov? . . . especially in in “win now” mode.

    54. The Chandler trade looks/is bad, I still don’t think it’s as bad as many are making it out to be, by the way. Everyone says that Mozgov brought 2 1st rounders so what could Chandler have brought — but they were two totally different situations – 1) Mozgov is a ridiculously underpaid center (<5MM/year) who is under control at that contract through 2015-16, 2) Tyson makes 3x as much and is a UFA after this year, 3) Mozgov is 4+ years younger with no injury history, 4) one of the 1st round picks (the OKC protected pick) is quite likely to turn into 2 second rounders anyway.

      Yea i refuse to go through this nuance anymore on these trade differences. It doesnt matter here.

    55. Do you really think, given the choice, Cleveland wouldn’t have preferred Tyson to Mozgov? . . . especially in in “win now” mode.

      No, because Timofey has a functioning immune system.

    56. “Just a reminder that Chandler’s about to set a career high in WP48, VORP, BPM, PER and possibly WS48. Most minutes played since 2008.”
      And he has been such an offensive force that the Mavericks’ offensive efficiency is worse than it was last year, and they are on pace to have almost the exact same record as they had last year, with the great Samuel Dalembert as their starting center. I know, I know, it’s all Rondo’s fault

    57. There’s officially 2, at least (including Jowles). Maybe more, if we count those who don’t want to be attacked by the ‘junior mob’.

      The fanboys don’t have the balls to confront the board’s “big guys” when they make the same points I make. Typical dishonesty and cowardice. None of them says a word to Jowles, Mike or Brian Cronin . They will surely come up with excuses that I’m so much more vocal about this or that…totally silly…

      dude you are so annoying. just stop it.

      Jowles – we used to go at him all the time. And we still do. You just haven’t seen it in the 5 minutes you’ve been here.

      Mike – even if he was annoying (which he isn’t), we’re going to go after the owner/founder of the blog?

      Brian – if Brian was annoying (he isn’t) and didn’t bring all the value he brings to the discussion (he does), sure, maybe we’d go after him. But he isn’t annoying and is a high value contributor, so we don’t go after him.

      You – occasionally you have useful things to say. But too many of your posts say the exact same thing as the one before that and the one before that etc. Trust us, we’ve read your post. It doesn’t make your point any better to write it 10 more times.

    58. Wait, am I wrong in assuming that Greg Monroe can receive a longer contract in a S&T from the Pistons than he could for signing with another team outright?

      And I know this might sound crazy coming from me, but relax, guys. We’ve had our share of repetitive, low-value posters, myself included. Just skim past it and let it go. No need to try to exile a dude for being a vocal opponent of a President/GM who managed to accidentally put together a team worse than any of Isiah’s trainwrecks.

    59. The victim stuff is so tired. Nobody is attacking or insulting you. Just disagreeing with you. If you don’t like the ‘junior mob’ which apparently makes up 99% of the posters on the board then just go post somewhere else. Simple.

    60. I’d also be very curious to know in what way the people saying “Phil is doing a bad job but it’s too soon to fire him” fit into any definition of “fanboy”.

    61. But you know why my posts are irritating? Because I’m not agreeing with the fanboys who think they own the truth and feel very threatened when a dissenting voice emerges.

      no it’s because you write the same thing in every post. we get it dude. you don’t like Phil and you think he’s done a bad job.

      Look at your own posts. 7, 10, 12, 22, 28, and 30 all say exactly the same thing, just with varying language of how bad Phil sucks and how Dolan is an asshole.

      Sure, many of the posts that other people write are on similar topic or agree with each other. But it’s different people writing the posts. Not the same person agreeing with himself all the time. Geez dude. It’s like you think you’re Galileo and we’re all flat-earthers. Except that you’re not saying anything profound.

    62. And if you don’t like what I write, you can go somewhere else. I’m not the one complaining – it’s you and the rest of the fanboys.

      Uh, what? Remember when (unprompted) you posted this:

      “The fanboys don’t have the balls to confront the board’s “big guys” when they make the same points I make. Typical dishonesty and cowardice. None of them says a word to Jowles, Mike or Brian Cronin . They will surely come up with excuses that I’m so much more vocal about this or that…totally silly…”

      I’m not saying you should leave. I think when you stick to basketball your posts generally contribute to the discussion since you have a different perspective. But stuff like above is useless.

    63. Fanboys are terrified of anyone who dares tell them their heroes might not be a heroic as they think. They will attack anyone who threatens to shatter their carefully built dreams.

      Phil Jackson represented the dream of a ring. He represented the hope for a much better Knicks future. But that was before he showed what he brings to the table as a GM. Fanboys violently refuse the notion that their king is naked, indeed. Better to kill the messenger….

      So to be clear the people saying that they think Phil is doing a bad job are “terrified” that someone will shatter their carefully built dreams that Phil is doing a great job? What?

    64. Why don’t you criticize the people who post personal attacks that force me to reply in the terms you hate?

      Isn’t that the fair thing to do? Where is your sense of fairness, your intellectual integrity?

      Post the “personal attack” that prompted you to post:

      “The fanboys don’t have the balls to confront the board’s “big guys” when they make the same points I make. Typical dishonesty and cowardice. None of them says a word to Jowles, Mike or Brian Cronin . They will surely come up with excuses that I’m so much more vocal about this or that…totally silly…”

      I must have missed it.

    65. I have a dumb/naive question that will hopefully change the topic. Let’s say you’re a big-name unrestricted free agent this summer, e.g. Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge, LeBron, Love. Knowing the cap is going to skyrocket next summer 2016, what do you do?

      Do you sign a 1 year deal, in the hopes of getting a bigger deal next summer?

      Do you sign a max deal with an opt-out after one year? Is that allowed under the rules?

      And how does that apply to the restricted FAs like Butler and Leonard?

    66. I believe it was ephus who suggested that there will be many two-year deals with a player option in the second year. The player option would protect players against catastrophic injury.

    67. Do you really think, given the choice, Cleveland wouldn’t have preferred Tyson to Mozgov?

      I think that Cleveland would have certainly preferred Tyson to Mozgov, but even if the Knicks had Tyson to trade them this winter there is no way they would have been able to fit him into their salary cap without getting rid of players that they wanted to retain. So that part is moot. (But the larger point remains true– the Chandler return probably could have been better had Phil waited.)

    68. I have a dumb/naive question that will hopefully change the topic. Let’s say you’re a big-name unrestricted free agent this summer, e.g. Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge, LeBron, Love. Knowing the cap is going to skyrocket next summer 2016, what do you do?

      Do you sign a 1 year deal, in the hopes of getting a bigger deal next summer?

      Do you sign a max deal with an opt-out after one year? Is that allowed under the rules?

      And how does that apply to the restricted FAs like Butler and Leonard?

      I think all the FAs will be looking at the Wes Matthews situation and thinking, you know, a three-year max deal doesn’t seem so bad…

    69. Do you sign a 1 year deal, in the hopes of getting a bigger deal next summer?

      Man i wonder what the agents are telling them to do

    70. It’s hard for me to take Berman seriously because no one I know takes him seriously. The man doesn’t know much about basketball and almost certainly knows nothing about building a basketball team. He’s a joke.

    71. This blog is great, btw. Has been for years. Best sports writing and conversation on the internet, as far as I have found. I love it.

      Even in a horrid, lost season, the content here is must read.

      I just wish that we could do without the “junior mob persecution” bullshit. It’s combative, boring, and a major turnoff. (I actually agree with the stuff CL posts. I just hate the way he says it. So much, in fact, that I’m at the point where I want to become a “fanboy” and see Jackson/Dolan do a good job, just to shut him up.)

    72. And how does that apply to the restricted FAs like Butler and Leonard?

      The RFAs will be really fascinating, since (as far as I know) as soon as they sign an offer sheet from another team, CHI or SA can’t sign him to another contract – they can only match it or not. So if someone offers them a 1+1 contract and Kawhi wants to sign that offer sheet, SA can’t then go back and sign him to a totally new contract.

      *mistake – I see now that an offer sheet must be at least 2 years long (not including option years) – ie. not 1 year + player option on year 2 (like Lebron) – must be at least 2+1.

      anyway, the point is the same – in prior years the incumbent teams would often let the player go out and set his market — but this summer I’m not sure that’ll be the case because teams might NOT want to be stuck with another unrestricted free agency in just 2 years. So maybe, for example, the Spurs straight out offer Kawhi the max on day 1.

      But if it’s me and I’m one of these UFAs or RFAs – I take the 2+1 contract (or 1+1 if I’m unrestricted). I definitely make sure I get that extra year player option.

    73. It doesn’t make sense to sign for longer than you have to, unless you are confident that $60M over five years is a happy number. It’s not just the higher cap — it’s also the unprecedented amount of cap space that virtually every team will have at the same time. This is all basic stuff, but yeah, I’d probably hire an actuary to figure out how much money I’d have to leave on the table to sign a long-term deal at 60% of the value that I could get just one year later.

      No independent research here. Believe nothing I say.

    74. hire an actuary to figure out how much money I’d have to leave on the table to sign a long-term deal at 60% of the value that I could get just one year later.

      Ha yea. this

    75. I’d think it would also be possible to take out the same kind of single year insurance policy against injury that you sometimes read about college guys getting. That way you could bet on the higher upside of waiting a year for the cap to explode while also hedging somewhat against the risk of a severe injury.

    76. Whoops, didn’t see that KD was gonna have another surgery. That sucks-hope he comes back healthy in time to give us a summer of “Will KD go to NY” rumors.

    77. anyway, the point is the same – in prior years the incumbent teams would often let the player go out and set his market — but this summer I’m not sure that’ll be the case because teams might NOT want to be stuck with another unrestricted free agency in just 2 years. So maybe, for example, the Spurs straight out offer Kawhi the max on day 1.

      Yes, that’s exactly why Chicago is planning on doing just that to Butler as soon as they can (offer as much to him as they can, which is more than any other team). The Spurs are in a trickier place because they can clear real cap room if they use their cap holds.

    78. I’d think it would also be possible to take out the same kind of single year insurance policy against injury that you sometimes read about college guys getting. That way you could bet on the higher upside of waiting a year for the cap to explode while also hedging somewhat against the risk of a severe injury.

      Scott Boras is starting to tell his clients to do that instead of negotiating extensions that just buy out their arbitration years.

    79. Wait, am I wrong in assuming that Greg Monroe can receive a longer contract in a S&T from the Pistons than he could for signing with another team outright?

      You’re wrong. S&T changed with the last CBA so that if a player joins a new team they get the same kind of contract they would if they had signed with a new team. The only benefit to S&T for players now is they can join teams that don’t have enough cap space to sign them outright.

    80. I just wish that we could do without the “junior mob persecution” bullshit. It’s combative, boring, and a major turnoff. (I actually agree with the stuff CL posts. I just hate the way he says it. So much, in fact, that I’m at the point where I want to become a “fanboy” and see Jackson/Dolan do a good job, just to shut him up.)

      There’s an element on this board that sticks together and attacks anyone who deflates their heroes. That’s the major turn-off. It destroys the discourse. You can make excuses about “the way it’s said”, or “we heard it before”. Bullshit! It’s really a support group for guys who are fanboys who can act tough on a keyboard. Like Cap Luke said, they’re scared to attack certain senior commenter’s, but they band together and try to chase away new dissenter’s.
      The irony is that they are the least knowledgable posters here, and don’t even know it.

    81. For example, the FSG (Fanboy Support Group) can go on and on and on and on about how Bargs sucks or J. Smith sucks or JR sucks, or THJ, but when Melo gets criticized (for being a selfish, one-way player that’s difficult to build around) the FSB is tired of hearing it, and in mob fashion, starts with personal attacks.

    82. For example, the FSG (Fanboy Support Group) can go on and on and on and on about how Bargs sucks or J. Smith sucks or JR sucks, or THJ, but when Melo gets criticized (for being a selfish, one-way player that’s difficult to build around) the FSB is tired of hearing it, and in mob fashion, starts with personal attacks.

      Could you please point out the posts on this thread where someone started out with a personal attack on Captain Luke?

    83. FSG (Fanboy Support Group) can go on and on and on and on about how Bargs sucks or J. Smith sucks or JR sucks, or THJ

      Also I have to yet again point out that “fanboy” apparently means something completely different on this website than anywhere else on the internet. It’s a weird kind of fanboy that is consistently negative about the thing they’re supposed to be being a fanboy of.

    84. As a long time vociferous critic of Carmelo Anthony, you’re out of your mind if you think he’s the one player on Knickerblogger that you can’t criticize. This is one of the most consistently Melo-critical places on the internet. Long before criticizing Melo came into vogue in the lamestream media we were here taking shots as him.

    85. You’re wrong. S&T changed with the last CBA so that if a player joins a new team they get the same kind of contract they would if they had signed with a new team. The only benefit to S&T for players now is they can join teams that don’t have enough cap space to sign them outright.

      Got it. So Phil will trade the #1 pick for one of the above after he’s signed the rest to max deals with no-trade clauses.

    86. Actually the problem with posters is that they think what they say is fact when a lot of the time it’s only partially true. It’s not a fact Melo is selfish, he has shown he is capable of playing team basketball plenty of times. He’s more of a diva that likes more control than he should probably have. The front office is building that monster though.

    87. Just chiming in to say that hoolahoop and Captain Luke have single- (okay, double) handedly ruined what used to be a hilarious, insightful ongoing discussion regardless of how bad the team performed. Even when Jowles was at full pique and telling people to drink bleach (on Christmas morning, no less… never forget), this forum wasn’t half as depressing as it has lately become. So good job, dudes. Way to spend all day, every day raging against the presence of “fanboys” here on this forum for fans of the Knicks.

    88. Just chiming in to say that hoolahoop and Captain Luke have single- (okay, double) handedly ruined what used to be a hilarious, insightful ongoing discussion regardless of how bad the team performed. Even when Jowles was at full pique and telling people to drink bleach (on Christmas morning, no less… never forget), this forum wasn’t half as depressing as it has lately become. So good job, dudes. Way to spend all day, every day raging against the presence of “fanboys” here on this forum for fans of the Knicks.

      +1

    89. Also, Kevin Durant will now be out 4-6 months after a bone graft in his foot to repair the fracture that had apparently “regressed.”

      D:

    90. This is one of the most consistently Melo-critical places on the internet.

      I stopped posting after the Melo trade. Didn’t stop reading, mostly because of the great game recaps (especially Jim Cavan), and started to come back to the team after they acquired Chandler. Safe to say I’m not a fan of Melo’s, though I recognize he at least played hard through the ups and downs, unlike Tyson, who was my favorite player until he added “sulking” to his resume after “plague-susceptible in pressure situations.”

    91. Steve Lavin out at St. Johns. Pathetic that a school with such a good history can’t be relevant in college hoops anymore.

    92. Also, Kevin Durant will now be out 4-6 months after a bone graft in his foot to repair the fracture that had apparently “regressed.”

      I detect the skills of the Knicks medical team at work. Now I know we had the inside track to sign him!

    93. You know how Firefox has an ad-blocker?? We need them to come up with a Captain Luke/hoolahoop comment blocker.

    94. Sorry to be the ones bursting your happy little fanboy bubble. I guess it was much better “when Jowles was at full pique and telling people to drink bleach” than now when the worst thing I have posted is that Phil Jackson should be fired based on his incredibly poor performance.

      The old times were certainly much better…what can I say…

      Jowles gets pissy about many different things which is cool

    95. 1. Most knocks on the Chandler trade are incredibly revisionist. Calderon and Dalembert put up fairly impressive numbers up to that point while Chandler just came off his worst season in a while.

      2. Phil Jackson has made a number of future oriented moves like trading for youth (Acy, Larkin, Thomas, etc.), draft picks (Thanasis, Early, Labeyrie, 2nd rounders from Cavs and Hou) and clearing cap space (JR Smith). Evaluating Jackson by the current team alone is unfair.

      3. Captain Luke asks, “What if Jackson screws us over?” It is extremely unfair to criticize Jackson based upon information we don’t yet hold. We have no reason to believe that Jackson will screw us over on this pick. Asking the question “what if” is fear mongering.

    96. Sorry to be the ones bursting your happy little fanboy bubble. I guess it was much better “when Jowles was at full pique and telling people to drink bleach” than now, when the worst thing I have posted is that Phil Jackson should be fired based on his incredibly poor performance.

      The old times were certainly much better…what can I say…

      dude – it’s not that you think Phil should be fired based on his performance. that’s a reasonable position to take, and just happens to be one that many here disagree with — not because we think he’s done a great job, but that he deserves more time. and some agree with you, and that’s fine too.

      I repeat, it’s not about you hating Phil.

      It’s that you write it 50x on every thread, then go into “woe is me” and “fanboy blablabblah” every time someone tells you enough already.

    97. The concern is legitimate: Phil Jackson has committed a serious amount of blunders in his relatively short stint as Knicks GM. Fearing the worst is not unfair or irrational. Thinking that he will become a good GM based on what we have seen is irrational.

      I addressed this issue in my first two points. You’ve given little evidence of any blunders.

      If you truly believed what you say, you would not ever accept any criticism of Melo’s contract, because we don’t know what type of player he will be for the Knicks during the next four years. What if he finally elevates his game to the point all his previous critics are forced to admit he is a superstar, indeed?

      We have plenty of evidence against Melo. We don’t hold similar evidence against Phil Jackson.

    98. There’s an element on this board that sticks together and attacks anyone who deflates their heroes.

      Umm, I don’t have any heroes on this team. Hell, I don’t even LIKE anybody on this team. The last Knick that was a “hero” to me was probably Patrick Ewing. And it seems like most people here feel pretty much the same way. Most people here are trashing the Knicks on a pretty goddamn regular basis.

      I have a theory about Captain Luke: he is 13 years old.

    99. The old times were certainly much better…what can I say…

      They were, actually. This place was better without you.

    100. Holy shit, I forgot to wish Happy Birthday to the greatest Knick of them all, Mr. Walt Frazier. Even though your negativity has ruined this once proud franchise, I still can’t get mad at you, Clyde. I hope you keep pronouncing and announcing another 20 years.

    101. please just stop feeding the trolls… it has literally amounted to just spam now…

    102. If I may recommend something, you can always ignore the posts or people who post disturbing truths about your heroes.

      And you can ignore the “junior mob” and the “fanboys”.

      Have fun conversing only with hoolahoop. (Maybe you two can start your own “fan” forum?)

    103. I just think Phil Jackson has been bad enough that the prudent course of action is to fire him before he does more damage. Why is that so offensive to the fanboys? Why is that perceived as me “hating” Phil Jackson?

      Same question I just asked, Luke: and your suggestion of when and how to do this and who to replace Phil with is…? Show us your superior alternative. I really want to hear it.

    104. Show us your superior alternative. I really want to hear it.

      Or don’t, and just go away forever!

    105. OK, people, enough with the battle of the trolls – we’ve got a game to lose tonight! I for one am looking forward to a Khanzy / DRed thread at the very least.

      And while I can’t actively root for a loss, I will confess that I feel a deep sense of satisfaction at the end of another game on the low side of the score….

    106. can we have the next KB meetup at a bondage dungeon? If nothing else, this season has turned us all into masochists.

    107. nah but the worst one was actually where he compared phil jackson to “a common whore” or something that was straight out of leviticus or something

    108. You’ve actually improved a lot in the past week or two, Luke–as long as you stick to rudimentary basketball analysis and forgo the unfortunate comments regarding the sociology of this board you’ll just be a Bizarro-Ruruland which is something most of us will be able to tolerate.

    109. I’ve had my spirited debates with him in this thread but stuff like this:

      the worst thing captain luke ever posted was all his posts

      doesn’t do anything but antagonize and fuel the flames.

    110. @ Captain Luke
      If you care to actually engage in a discussion.

      1. There does exist a difference between “a project gone awry” and a “blunder”. You can make every right choice and play the percentage perfectly but still end up behind due to dumb luck. The argument I put forward is that the moves Jackson made were reasonable moves at the time (possible exceptions to Melo and Jason Smith), only after the outcome played out could anyone criticize the moves.

      2. Referring to people as fanboys is not an argument. If I or anyone else is being a fanboy then you can point to specific evidence that shows that Phil Jackson made poor decisions. As far as I know you haven’t. Certainly the Knicks have had a bad season, but the moves Phil Jackson has made are far from “blunders”. If you look at the numbers that Dalembert and Calderon put up before this season and compare them to Chandler’s it becomes much more difficult to criticize the trade.

    111. The Knicks can still blow this. The T-Wolves have a MUCH tougher schedule than the Knicks the rest of the way. The Knicks could possibly win 2-3 games from here (maybe even 4 by some miracle). I’d be shocked if the T-Wolves win more than 1 more game given their schedule and the fact that they aren’t playing any of their players either. This is a big game tonight. We have to lose.

    112. Speaking of Dalembert, it’s interesting that not only did noone pick him up, he wasn’t even in the conversation. This is a guy that looked like a solid backup last year. The Triangle may be the opposite of D’Antoni’s system. It’s a career killer.

    113. Speaking of Dalembert, it’s interesting that not only did noone pick him up, he wasn’t even in the conversation. This is a guy that looked like a solid backup last year. The Triangle may be the opposite of D’Antoni’s system. It’s a career killer.

      I figured someone would at least pick Dalembert for his defense/rebounding despite his worst offensive season since he’s been in the league. Triangle really is a terrible fit for a player everyone know can’t shoot a lick.

    114. I have a dumb/naive question that will hopefully change the topic. Let’s say you’re a big-name unrestricted free agent this summer, e.g. Marc Gasol, LaMarcus Aldridge, LeBron, Love. Knowing the cap is going to skyrocket next summer 2016, what do you do?

      This is one of the two interesting off season questions from the cap bump. Although it seems obvious that the better move for any of the higher end FAs like Love, Kawhi, LMA and Butler is to take a 1/1 type deal, I wouldn’t be shocked to see one or more of them just take a max deal.

      The other question is how far down the list the max offers will/should go given the cap expectatoins for 16 and 17. A max deal for a 25% < 6 yr player is going to be something like 16% of your salary by year 3 if the cap hits $105m, which is basically akin to a Luol Deng or Batum type range. Will be interesting to see what teams pay for guys who would have otherwise had an unlikely shot at max Ks like Monta Ellis, Brandon Knight, Reggie Jackson or Hibbert. It seems to almost guarantee max offers for guys like Milsap, Monroe, and Brook Lopez. No one knows this better than recently emerging cap expert Enes Kanter.

    115. From NBC Sports: Jackson wants the turnaround to be quick. He said it’s hard to project how a 19- or 20-year-old rookie will develop so signing veterans who can help immediately is the plan.

      “What we’re trying to do is we’re trying to look at what advancement can be gained in the short term, how quickly we can recover and get back in the hunt and chasing what we consider the right way to go and that’s get a championship,”

      Is this what you guys want?

    116. The funny thing is the posters our beloved captain and Hoolahoop refer to as “fanboys” (which is anyone who doesn’t think bloviating about Phil Jackson 10 times a day is productive) actually disagree on a wide range of issues. That was more apparent before Captain Luke came here and everyone united in his general unpleasantry.

    117. Do you really think, given the choice, Cleveland wouldn’t have preferred Tyson to Mozgov?

      Since we didn’t have him by the time Varejao blew out his Achilles and the Cavs were desperate for a C and they couldn’t fit him under their cap anyway, no. Also the Cavs overpaid because they were desperate. It’s worked out for them. But we totally could have gotten two first round picks for an aging Chandler, who was coming off his worst season in like, forever, following a broken leg, with one year left on a large contract. I mean, that’s high value stuff right there! I bet we didn’t get two firsts for Tyson “Mr. Sulky” Chandler because Phil Jackson didn’t even try.

      Why would Phil Jackson trade our #1 pick for a free agent?

      Probably because when he was asked about it he said he was going to use it to acquire a franchise player who would help the Knicks for the next ten years, while focusing on building through free agency at the same time because we don’t have many picks over all? For some people everything is black and white, nuance and working within the limits of what’s possible are foreign concepts.

    118. From NBC Sports: Jackson wants the turnaround to be quick. He said it’s hard to project how a 19- or 20-year-old rookie will develop so signing veterans who can help immediately is the plan

      This story is 2 weeks old-I think we already complained about this. But okay, what should we do? Build through the draft? That would be sweet, but one problem-we don’t have any fucking picks, and we have nobody to trade to get more picks. What’s your plan, hoolahoop?

    119. Lol. No we don’t want a championship hoolahoop

      I for one would like the rebuilding to go on for as long as humanly possible because I enjoy losing so very much.

    120. er – no wonder you like Phil so much. You’re on board for the quick-fix. Oh, and he gave your hero the big contract.

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