Knicks Morning News (2015.03.10)

  • [New York Post] Jason Smith’s proving doubters wrong may cost Knicks (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 01:40:30 -0400)

    DENVER — Power forward Jason Smith hopes to be back with the Knicks next season, but he may be playing well enough to price himself out of Jackson's budget. There could…

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks blown out again, but team getting schooled in Zen (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 03:47:10 GMT)

    Jason Smith estimated it has happened “over 10” times, and he wasn’t referring to the amount of games the Knicks have won this season.

  • [New York Times] Bosh Addresses Heat in 1st Visit Since Blood-Clot Diagnosis (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:03:44 GMT)

    Back in the Miami Heat locker room for the first time in nearly a month, Chris Bosh had things he needed to say.

  • [New York Times] Pelicans Defeat Bucks (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 05:50:25 GMT)

    Anthony Davis scored 43 points, tying a career high, as the New Orleans Pelicans pulled away for a 114-103 victory over the host Milwaukee Bucks.

  • [New York Times] Redick Leads Short-Handed Clippers Past Minnesota, 89-76 (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 05:03:48 GMT)

    J.J. Redick scored 26 points, DeAndre Jordan had 20 points and 17 rebounds, and the injury-depleted Los Angeles Clippers snapped a two-game skid with an 89-76 victory over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Faried’s 19 Points Leads Nuggets Past Knicks, 106-78 (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 05:00:55 GMT)

    Kenneth Faried had 19 points and 11 rebounds, and the Denver Nuggets routed the New York Knicks 106-78 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Curry’s 36 Lead Warriors to 50th Victory of Season (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 04:45:45 GMT)

    Stephen Curry scored 25 of his 36 points in the second half and the Golden State Warriors beat the Phoenix Suns 98-80 on Monday night for their 50th victory of the season.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets 106, Knicks 78: Knicks Become the First Team to Lose 50 Games This Season (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 04:29:19 GMT)

    The Denver Nuggets routed the visiting Knicks, 106-78, on Monday night in a matchup between two of the league’s worst teams.

  • [New York Times] Davis Pours in 43, Pelicans Beat Bucks 114-103 (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 04:27:55 GMT)

    Anthony Davis said he’s trying not to do anything outside his comfort zone as he works to improve his game.

  • [New York Times] Marc Gasol Leads Grizzlies Past Pau Gasol, Bulls 101-91 (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 03:51:45 GMT)

    During halftime, Memphis Grizzlies coaches showed tape that revealed Marc Gasol was repeatedly open near the foul line. To take advantage, all they needed was to get him the ball and for him to shoot.

  • [New York Times] Hawks Score Season High in 130-105 Victory Over Sacramento (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 03:09:52 GMT)

    The Hawks gave Kyle Korver the weekend off, hoping it would help him break out of his shooting slump.

  • [New York Times] Thomas’ 25 Lifts Celtics Past Banged-Up Heat, 100-90 (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 02:21:44 GMT)

    Isaiah Thomas scored 25 points in another strong game off the bench, Brandon Bass added 14 and the Boston Celtics beat the Miami Heat 100-90 on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Gortat, Wizards Roll to 95-69 Victory Over Hornets (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 01:42:44 GMT)

    Marcin Gortat scored 20 points and the Washington Wizards rolled to a 95-69 victory over the Charlotte Hornets on Monday night.

  • [New York Times] Derrick Rose Thinks He’ll Play This Season, Not Sure When (Tue, 10 Mar 2015 00:10:05 GMT)

    Chicago Bulls guard Derrick Rose said Monday he thinks he will be back this season after last month’s knee surgery, but he isn’t putting a firm timetable on his return.

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    86 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.03.10)”

    1. Have fun leaping off this sinking ship Jason. It was nice having a big actually play defense so of course it could never last.

    2. Ok, so if we sign Jason Smith and Bargs to 10MM contracts, how much cap space does that leave us?

      ..sound of DRed’s and Jowles’ heads exploding…

    3. What kind of doubters has Jah proven wrong? Guys who thought it would be impossible for him to breathe and walk at the same time?

    4. Anyway, can somebody please tell me why Bargs hasn’t been cut already? The tank looks pretty safe.

    5. What kind of doubters has Jah proven wrong? Guys who thought it would be impossible for him to breathe and walk at the same time?

      It’s a Marc Berman article. I think that says all you need to know. In all seriousness it referenced his staying healthy. Apparently he missed all of part of recent seasons.

    6. the other weird thing is that we have an extra roster spot. shouldn’t we be signing dudes to 10-days to see if we might catch lightning?

    7. Jason Smith
      TS%: 0.498
      eFG%: 0.455
      TRB%: 10.6
      WS48: 0.035
      WP48: -0.014
      “Proving Doubters Wrong”

      The real irony is that Jason Smith may be more helpful to the team he is on by not being able to play because he’s hurt. By his staying healthy, he is actually doing more harm.

    8. Yes, Kevin, but he has played in 62 games. suck on that, doubter!

      Also, if you have bad eyesight and a don’t have an HD TV, it’s possible to mistake Jason Smith for Dirk Nowitzki, which by my analysis means he’s worth at least 8 million next season.

      PS

      Bargs now has a WS/48 of .087. Combine that with his terrible defense and you have a player who objectively sucks.

    9. shouldn’t we be signing dudes to 10-days to see if we might catch lightning?

      One would think so.

    10. the other weird thing is that we have an extra roster spot. shouldn’t we be signing dudes to 10-days to see if we might catch lightning?

      Yes, we should be. Especially since the plan is clearly to at least be competitive next year and we basically need a whole new team. In fact, we should have cut Bargnani and Jason Smith in order to open up more roster spots to take even more chances. If it were up to me I’d have waived both players already and called up Willie Reed, Seth Curry, and Khem Birch. Of course, since he’s been in charge has Phil Jackson made a single move that has made sense?

    11. Jason Smith’s agent: “YOU TOO could garner a #1 pick if you start my client for 82 games. What is that worth to you?”

    12. One reason they don’t want to call up the Greek is because he wouldn’t be a rookie next year and they’d have to pay him about $800k instead of $500k. . . . . This team has wasted so much money that I wouldn’t think $300k should be a deal breaker.

    13. I’m fine with not calling up Thanasis, but the Knicks (and a bunch of other terrible teams) seem totally clueless when it comes to not trying out D League guys when there’s nothing left to play for.

    14. One reason they don’t want to call up the Greek is because he wouldn’t be a rookie next year and they’d have to pay him about $800k instead of $500k. . . . . This team has wasted so much money that I wouldn’t think $300k should be a deal breaker.

      But we weren’t talking about Thanasis. There are a bunch of D-League guys that we should at least be looking at that we haven’t. It’s bizarre/stupid.

    15. There is tanking and there is getting humiliated. The Knicks are edging into the latter territory. Not sure what that means about the job that Fisher has done (probably more than nothing but less than defining) but this team is gawd awful. I just don’t see how this team can turn it around next year and they are going to try their damnedest to because they do not have their pick in ’16.

    16. I just don’t see how this team can turn it around next year and they are going to try their damnedest to because they do not have their pick in ’16.

      One of the reasons we’re so embarrassingly awful this year is that we’re giving a lot of minutes to guys who shouldn’t even be on an NBA roster. Timmy, Dalembert, Bargs, Jason Smith, Lance Thomas, Cleanthony and Travis Wear have all been awfully unproductive basketball players this season who should, at least in theory, be very easy to replace with guys who are just mediocre. That’s 5,000 minutes of awful basketball production. That’s fully 1/3 of our minutes being taken by guys who are offering basically nothing. It is very difficult to obtain NBA superstars. It’s difficult to find productive players on good contracts. It is not that hard to get slightly below average players. Even without adding any good players, we could significantly improve the Knicks next year by adding 4 or 5 mediocre players.

    17. . I just don’t see how this team can turn it around next year and they are going to try their damnedest to because they do not have their pick in ’16.

      This year turned into the demolition to start rebuilding.
      Next year is the first real step towards the rebuild, probably the most important offseason in the next decade.
      Obviously, the draft is huge. Imperative to not screw that up. Unless an unforeseen opportunity arises, the knicks shouldn’t be looking to sign any max players. Fill a few roster spots with solid rotation players that can be supporting pieces to a great team. Try to make the playoffs and establish a new culture.
      The following offseason (2016) is the time to go hunting. More cap space and a boat load of FA’s on the market.
      Melo – Townes/Okafor – solid rotations players plus new FA, maybe can lead to a four or five seed playoff spot.
      Fourth year of rebuild – maybe find another missing piece to make them two or three seed.

    18. I’m at peace with the knowledge we will suck with or without Carmelo Anthony for the next 4 years because there is no realistic way to get enough young talent.

      hahahahahahaha.

      I’m also completely fine with bringing Bargnani back for 5 or 6 million next year.

    19. I think Jackson’s biggest sin this year is not calling up d-leaguers two or three at a time. There was no reason not to cut Bargs and Smith, no reason to sign Amundson and Thomas, everything we do should be with next year in mind.

      As mediocre as the Smith/Shumpert trade, Jason Smith signing, and Chandler trade were, not trying out d-league guys is worse. There is no downside to 10 day contracts. Even if we have a dream offseason and sign Leonard, draft Towns and get another quality free agent like Matthews or Beverley we still need another 8-9 players to fill out the roster. We could have easily found end of the bench players through d-league this year and possibly found a solid rotation player or two as well if we got lucky.

      Instead we are likely bringing back Smith (mark my words), Amundson, and Bargs next year.

      The fact that McAdoo was released by Golden State and was available for 2 weeks before resigning with them and we missed it is unforgivable. We are so proud to have found Galloway and we could have easily found 5 Galloway’s if we had really used the d-league.

    20. Besides an older Conley and Durant I’m really not impressed by 2016 FA class. Its a lot of good RFAs when teams will have extra space to sign them.

      I guess Love could be added to the Conley and Durant list if he decides to wait but who knows.

    21. Jackson has made so many serious mistakes. Fisher as coach. Forcing the Triangle on this hapless roster. The list goes on and on…

      True, if Kerr were our coach and was running the system he uses with the Warriors, who knows how far this team could go?

    22. True, if Kerr were our coach and was running the system he uses with the Warriors, who knows how far this team could go?

      Picks 5-8 in the 2015 Draft? I mean, wow, the sky’s the limit!

    23. The Triangle is something to be concerned about going forward. For starters, it seems to take a while for players to get comfortable with, if ever.
      More importantly, deemphasizing the three point shot, how relevant is that system in today’s NBA? . . . without superstars running it? . . . and Fisher coaching it? . . . and teams prepared to defend it?
      And if it fails, are the knicks going to be left with a roster of guys picked for the Triangle, sacrificing talent for guys that can fit the system.
      With a clean slate, I’d much rather see the team built on athleticism with an uptempo offense that emphasizes 3pt shots, and lock down defense.

    24. Not sure who you want Fisher to play instead, unless he and Rambis suit up, which is not a horrible idea.

      Galloway and Amundson have both outperformed very low expectations and should be back on minimum deals.

      I’m not even sure why we let Bargs play; we are allowing him to audition to get paid. He’s in the way.

    25. If Brian Shaw were the person forcing the triangle on this team, he would not have a single supporter. A lot of fans are blinded by Jackson’s 13 rings. Greed makes a lot of people irrational.

      To me having more belief in the basketball knowledge of one of the greatest coaches of all time than in Brian Shaw doesn’t seem particularly irrational. In fact it seems extremely rational.

    26. Except Jackson is not coaching and lives on the other side of the country. But why bother with the details, right?

      No, he’s not coaching, but it’s not like there’s no relationship between the skills (note Steve Kerr making a successful transition in the other direction). Other things being equal, being an extremely successful coach does make me more likely to think you’ll succeed as an executive relative to being a (relatively) unsuccessful coach. That’s irrational?

      As for where Phil lives I have no idea what that has to do with anything.

    27. Seth Curry signs a 10-day contract with the Suns. That’s cool. Who needs young potentially good players anyway? Those aren’t a big part of what we do here.

    28. Okay, let’s say I have two GMs. Both have been GMs for a single year. Both have been largely unsuccessful for that single year.

      GM A was previously one of the most successful coaches in NBA history.

      GM B had a single, largely unsuccessful head coaching stint.

      I’m saying that if you asked me which of those guys was going to be the better GM going forward, I’ll take GM A.

      I’m saying that, yes, Jackson has been mostly awful as the Knicks GM so far. But his past does count for something to me, and I don’t think that’s irrational (where this whole discussion started).

    29. That’s logical, but can be taken too far. Think for yourself.
      When the meteorologist reports it’s raining outside, but you don’t feel a drop, are you going to believe him? I hope Phil turns things around just as much as you do, but I’m going to believe my eyes, not what I’m being told.
      There’s an insecurity in people that causes them to defer to “experts”. The “experts” are people just like you and me, with their own opinions.
      Phil has proven that he can get true superstars with huge egos to play successful basketball with his system. On an executive level, so far, he’s been horrendous.

    30. I think it’d be wise to highlight that PJ is an expert in coaching but not in GMing. Experts should, on balance, be trusted far more than non-experts–that’s why they’re experts; their methods have led to demonstrable success. I would implicitly trust PJ more than Brian Shaw if he were coaching, and Shaw less if he were GMing by virtue of their respective coaching-related basketball acumen, but the skills that go into GMing are substantially different from coaching, and the way player evaluation happens are worlds apart (GMs actually have to reckon with the comparative values of players in a marketplace, managing an organization, etc.) Phil’s coaching skills are at best only weakly correlative to his quality as a GM and should only lead us to believe that he would be better than other coaches with lesser credentials/results rather than be a good GM per se. So, in a way, both sides are correct, but they’re arguing different points.

      That being said, while it looks like PJ doesn’t know what he’s doing, we don’t have a large enough sample to determine if he in fact doesn’t know what he’s doing–that’s what this coming offseason is for. MMM was an abomination, but that might as well have been a condition of employment by Dolan. What we need is hold off on the jeremiads until offseason; if he fucks up then, at least we’ll be fully justified in castigating him.

    31. If Andrea Bargnani receives a contract offer from the Knicks, we will know that Phil Jackson has no idea what he’s doing, and may have been the luckiest basketball manager in the history of the NBA. Or he’s going through the middle stages of dementia and, at this point in time, has no idea what he’s doing.

    32. Yeah there are some things that would constitute incontrovertible evidence that PJ sucks like a Bargs signing but I’m trying to avoid even thinking about that for fear of needing therapy.

    33. Phil Jackson should have won coach of the year in 1994. But outside of that one single year, he’s built a monopoly on “coach greatness” by sitting down in the front row, crossing his legs, and watching combinations of Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Rodman, and Pippen win basketball games.

      That’s not to say he’s not a good coach. Obviously, he is. But I don’t think the gulf in talent is so wide between him and dozens of other guys who have coached against him over the years.

      More than anything, Phil Jackson is lucky.

      And let’s be honest: that is exactly what the Knicks need him to be, and that is exactly what they are getting from him. Thanks to some Cleveland owner making a few bad decisions 30 years ago, combined with Phil’s awkward roster assemblage, Phil is prat-falling his way into yet another transcendental superstar.

      I always thought Jordan has made some kind of real with the devil, but now I’m not sure– maybe it was Faustian Phil all along?

    34. Maybe we can hire Sir Charles as our next GM:

      “I do not think [free agents] are going to want to come there,” Barkley told SNY.tv and The Knicks Blog on Tuesday at NCAA Tournament Media Day.

      “I mean, No. 1, they’re going to have to give up a ton of money. You can always get more money from the team you’re on. I don’t think guys are going to be leaving $20, $30 million on the table just to come say they play for the Knicks. You don’t leave that much money on the table to come and play for the Knicks. That doesn’t matter to these guys. It’s not like the Knicks have been an iconic team during the last 30 years.”

    35. Then the question becomes: how awful does Jackson needs to be in order for you to accept he is awful indeed? When does “a lot of errors” become “too many errors”?

      I prefer to err on the side of caution. The Knicks have zero margin for error.

      I guess it’s hard for me to see how firing your GM after <1 year on the job is the cautious move. If there was some other guy who was a slam dunk hire, maybe, but I don't see that person. Who is the GM the Knicks can bring in tomorrow who you're going to have significantly more confidence in making this summer's big decisions (FA and draft) than Phil?

    36. Here’s a checklist regarding FA:

      -Did Toronto offer a contract?
      -Did Houston offer a contract?
      -Did San Antonio offer a contract?

      If “no,” do not offer contract.

      -Did Sacramento offer a contract?
      -Did Milwaukee offer a contract?
      -Did Charlotte offer a contract?

      If “yes,” do not offer contract.

    37. I guess it’s hard for me to see how firing your GM after <1 year on the job is the cautious move. If there was some other guy who was a slam dunk hire, maybe, but I don't see that person. Who is the GM the Knicks can bring in tomorrow who you're going to have significantly more confidence in making this summer's big decisions (FA and draft) than Phil?

      Perhaps some of you are old enough to remember the strange affair of Larry Brown: Coach of the Knicks. In that episode, Larry Brown was the Hall of Fame coach coming off of an NBA championship and a return to the NBA Finals. Unlike all other NBA champs ever, his Pistons had no superstar. They were also loaded with challenging personalities. (side note: Coach Brown had been coaching for 40 years and had put together winning teams at every stop along the way).

      Then the Knicks hired him and, overnight, he forgot everything he ever knew about basketball.

      And it took less than one year for James Dolan to pay him a gazillion dollars just to go away.

      (Inexplicable cosmic shit like this is a big part of what we do here)

    38. That being said, while it looks like PJ doesn’t know what he’s doing, we don’t have a large enough sample to determine if he in fact doesn’t know what he’s doing–that’s what this coming offseason is for. MMM was an abomination, but that might as well have been a condition of employment by Dolan. What we need is hold off on the jeremiads until offseason; if he fucks up then, at least we’ll be fully justified in castigating him.

      Absolutely agreed. We need to judge him on this offseason primarily, as pretty much all of his moves were geared around this offseason.

    39. I think folks are getting a little carried away with Phil’s “mistakes”. Have we hit a home run on any trade? No. We also have not ruined our future unless Melo actually turns out to be Amare Stoudemire 2.0. His “Mega Max” contract will likely account for <30% of cap space for the entirety, if he continues to put up all star caliber numbers that's a fair price. The players he jettisoned are all players that most people on this board recognized as terrible or inconsistent at best players yet everyone is surprised we didn't get more for them. Iman Shumperts offensive game has probably reached a very unspectacular plateau and his defense appears fairly ordinary on an athletic squad. Felton can not even get on the court and is likely not even be an NBA player once his current contract is over. Can anyone really complain over getting rid of JR and his contract? Prigs? Tyson Chandler is really the only asset we had that we did not get great value for. A 32 year old center with an extensive injury history. Even if we had kept him and tried to dump him at the deadline there's a good chance he would have been playing more minutes than his body can handle leading to him breaking down while leaving us in a worse drafting position as we probably win a few more games. As Jowles stated in regard to Kerr maybe we are now looking at picks 5-8 with Chandler. Additionally, like it or not I would imagine several of these players are coming back: Early, Hardaway, Galloway, Smith/Bargs, Shved even Acy might be in play next year. I think the reason we have not just dropped people for d leaguers is to provide consistency in practice. Should Fisher really start from scratch every month with 3 new 10-day guys?

    40. Should Fisher really start from scratch every month with 3 new 10-day guys?

      yes

      I’m going to go with yes also. What are the supposed benefits of having consistency in practice? It may help the team get better, but we don’t care about the team getting better. It may help the players develop, but if the players we’re developing are Lance Thomas and Jason Smith, then who cares? Those guys are probably going to be gone and it’s too late to develop them anyway.

      Yeah, it’s tough on Fisher to ask him to keep sorting the wheat from the chaff instead of coaching a real roster, but he needs to understand that this season is already long gone. If we can find one Jeremy Lin needle in all that haystack that has to be worth way more to next year’s team than a little extra practice consistency for this year’s group. Even if we find a few more Galloways that would be really helpful. He’s not great, but he’s young, and he’s better than a lot of the rest of the crap we have.

    41. Galloway’s the 2nd best player on this team behind Shved and that’s just sad–unless his defense is as disruptive as the NBAs motion track stats suggest they are, in which case, all bets are off.

    42. Galloway’s the 2nd best player on this team behind Shved . . . .

      Yeah, if only we had fourteen more Shveds.

    43. You guys are getting carried away with the notion that you can just pluck guys out of the D-League, insert them into the NBA, and watch them blossom into stars. Sure, it happens, but it’s probably closer to 1 in 30, or maybe 1 in 300, than to 1 in 3.
      There’s a reason Cleanthony Early has monster games in the D-League, and I don’t think it’s stage fright at MSG.

    44. Why don’t we have one of the best teams in the NBA right now, mommy? I don’t want to wait a whole year to get better! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

    45. JR Smith, Shump, Bargs, Jason Smith, and TH2 vs.the five best D-Leaguers would be the biggest blowout in NBA history.

    46. Re-signing Bargs to a cheap, short-term contract is inconsequential.
      Phils draft pick and FA signings to fill out the roster will determine his judgement of talent, and whether or not he knows how to put a roster together and build a team.
      Part 2 is getting Fisher, or someone else, to get the team to overachieve instead of underachieve.

    47. I can see the logic in just rolling the dice repeatedly and there certainly is the hopeful unknown aspect vs the known quality of players but I tend to think there is so much fools gold in the d league for example I saw the other day that Toure Murray is on his Russell Westbrook status with 3 triple doubles in the last 5 games or something along those lines. Early tore it up in a few games at the d league. So players you expect to perform in the NBA simply doesn’t happen.

      Another aspect to consider is many of the “good” players’ rights are already owned by a particular team i.e off limits to us. This is in addition to incorporating a possible player into the famously complex triangle system and the on court calls that are already established. At the end of the day I think it is just better to keep the players we have that know the system, keep the continuity in practice and hope that some of the guys we currently have get better as several will be coming back next year. It seems to me as though Phil is getting killed for not unearthing players that just don’t exist or have such a small chance of even being a 10-12 man.

    48. Cleanthony Early played 3 games in the d league. He was good in one of them.

      Well, you’re right about the number of games he played.
      In three games he averaged 21 points and 10 rebounds a game.

    49. You guys are getting carried away with the notion that you can just pluck guys out of the D-League, insert them into the NBA, and watch them blossom into stars. Sure, it happens, but it’s probably closer to 1 in 30, or maybe 1 in 300, than to 1 in 3.
      There’s a reason Cleanthony Early has monster games in the D-League, and I don’t think it’s stage fright at MSG.

      it’s not that we’re thinking that every player is going to be a diamond in the rough but more that there’s obviously decent players in the d-league that are worth a shot as relatively low-risk gambles versus the same old dreck of bargs, jah smith, and lance thomas.

    50. JR Smith, Shump, Bargs, Jason Smith, and TH2 vs.the five best D-Leaguers would be the biggest blowout in NBA history.

      Hassan Whiteside, Khem Birch/JaMychal Green, and any combination of James Michael McAdoo, Brady Heslip, Seth Curry, Quincy Miller, Langston Galloway, Thanasis, and Willie Reed are at minimum slightly, if not leagues better than the starting five you listed. So yes I guess it would be a blow-out.

    51. If JR Smith was in the D-League, he’d look better than Lebron James. All of these NBA’s would dominate that league.

      I’m not saying you can’t find good talent in the D-League. I like young prospects, but if Phil just kept rotating 10-day contracts with D-Leaguers, he’d get laughed out of the nba.

    52. If JR Smith was in the D-League, he’d look better than Lebron James. All of these NBA’s would dominate that league.

      I’m not saying you can’t find good talent in the D-League. I like young prospects, but if Phil just kept rotating 10-day contracts with D-Leaguers, he’d get laughed out of the nba.

      You’re right. Cutting dead weight to try and marginally improve this team, the worst in franchise history, while also improving our near term future is laughable. We should just hope that a bunch of players who have been the worst in the league at their positions will improve. Especially because we’re probably going to have to bring some of them back next year in order to actually field a team that works under the salary cap.

    53. Im ok for –
      Jason Smith, Louis Amudson, Galloway, Shevd, Lnace Thomas, and even bargani to be back next season but only for MINIMUM. they will be our 9-15. Any cost above the minimum is a NO.

    54. Im ok for –
      Jason Smith, Louis Amudson, Galloway, Shevd, Lnace Thomas, and even bargani to be back next season but only for MINIMUM. they will be our 9-15. Any cost above the minimum is a NO.

      Galloway has a partially guaranteed contract next year so if we bring him back he’s already making more than the minimum.

      Is there any history of a team declining to offer the QO to a guy coming off a rookie deal and then signing him to a minimum contract? If there is I’m unaware of it. So probably no Shved.

      Amundson, whatever.

      ess-dog
      March 10, 2015 at 8:51 pm
      Smith, Lance and Bargs… No thanks

    55. This forum is getting to the point where I think medication may be necessary to get the mood to an emotionally healthy level. :-)

      No one has been more negative about the Knicks than I have since the day they gutted the team for Melo. That was a dark day for my soul because I KNEW what the next few years were going to be like. The ink was not dry and I was already thinking about this rebuild!

      Well guess what?

      Yea, the Knicks suck.

      Yea, Phil didn’t get good value in any of his deals other than for Prigioni.

      Yea, the triangle is suspect and Fisher hasn’t done anything to inspire much confidence as a coach yet (other than being a good leader and likable guy)

      But guess what, the Knicks are in the best position they have been in for as long as I can remember.

      The decks are clear.

      We have a very good chance to get an all star caliber player out of the draft this year and may even get a superstar.

      We have a pile of money available to get some quality players or at least fill out the team better on one year contracts and use the rest of the money in 2016.

      Fisher has a year under his belt and will get better.

      We have one bad contract (Melo) but it’s not a nightmare contract. That’s the only black mark.

      Everyone take some Prozac and calm down. When we revisit this in a few months we may have Towns/Okafor, Monroe, Melo, some solid role players, and continued flexibility. I’ll take that over anything we’ve had since Riley.

    56. Utter suckitude and all, Bargnani must have a better option in life than being paid the league minimum to be the 12th man on a horrible team, right?

      I mean, even just sitting in his Italian mansion using American dollars for toilet paper is a better life than what NY would offer him, right?

      (Hell, even Kwame Brown made $2.3 million in 2013, a full 12 years after being selected #1)

    57. After listening to Bill Simmons and Zach Lowe’s podcast yesterday, I had a scary thought…

      The Rockets are apparently big fans of Kevin Love (especially Kevin McHale who drafted and coached him in Minnesota) and would look to sign him this offseason if he opted out. In order to clear the cap space to sign him, the Rockets would trade Dwight Howard (who probably peaked four years ago, has been injured half this season, is turning 30 next year, and the Rockets haven’t lost a step with Montiejunas playing in his spot) to a willing team..

      Couldn’t you see “Knicks trade lottery pick for Dwight Howard and extend him” as a very real Dolan move/move for a team trying to “win now”/move for a team more worried about superstardom than actually contending/move that would appease casual fans while driving Knickerblogger fans crazy? Would this be a godawful short-sighted move or is it just me?

    58. Couldn’t you see “Knicks trade lottery pick for Dwight Howard and extend him” as a very real Dolan move/move for a team trying to “win now”

      Yup.

    59. As far as the Howard trade. That’s just ridiculous. That’s like GOP fear mongering at this point. Why the fuck would anyone do that?

    60. dolan would have to step in for that to occur.. i don’t think phil is that dumb…

    61. But guess what, the Knicks are in the best position they have been in for as long as I can remember.

      The Summer of 2010 wasn’t that long ago. We had more, young talent on rookie deals; Gallo, Wilson Chandler, and Mozgov were worlds better than everyone not names Melo. We had more cap space, room for 2 max guys and with fewer holes to fill. We didn’t have an aging “star” coming off a knee injury taking up 30%+ of the cap space for the next 4 seasons who’s going to put pressure on the front office to win now. And we all know how that turned out.

    62. Dear Mr. Jackson,

      If Morey, Hinkie or Ujiri call, put down the phone. You are not smarter than them, just richer.

      Sincerely,

      THCJ and everyone who isn’t clueless about basketball

    63. well… we managed to get a few entertaining seasons….. it’s a lot better than what denver got out of it and i would say they are in worse shape than us…

    64. Galloway has a partially guaranteed contract next year so if we bring him back he’s already making more than the minimum.

      I thought he was making around $845k for next year?

    65. Jesus you guys, can we at least get to the post season moves? The cap is going up in 17′ how long are we going to keep repeating this 30% thing? The aging “star” will be coming off of a half season which is actually rest for him. The Knicks have maneuverability in the upcoming years. isn’t that what you want? The pressure is always to win now. Just do it in a smart way.

    66. As far as the Howard trade. That’s just ridiculous. That’s like GOP fear mongering at this point. Why the fuck would anyone do that?

      They mentioned trading Dwight and were brainstorming teams that he could be traded to…Sacramento? Toronto…and the thought bubble just popped up in my head and hasn’t left since, especially b/c in the past few days some of y’all were talking about the 2002 draft.

      I don’t like Phil but I don’t think he is that dumb, however it’s not like Dolan hasn’t stepped into trade negotiations before..

    67. Dear Mr. Jackson,

      If Morey, Hinkie or Ujiri call, put down the phone. You are not smarter than them, just richer.

      Sincerely,

      THCJ and everyone who isn’t clueless about basketball

      Hinkie? Thats debateable.

    68. They mentioned trading Dwight and were brainstorming teams that he could be traded to…Sacramento? Toronto…and the thought bubble just popped up in my head and hasn’t left since, especially b/c in the past few days some of y’all were talking about the 2002 draft.

      I don’t like Phil but I don’t think he is that dumb, however it’s not like Dolan hasn’t stepped into trade negotiations before..

      I hear ya, but i can’t see it even if the top prospects aren’t franchise changing bigs anyway.

    69. I don’t want to get everyone too worked up over a hypothetical, but it’s something I could absolutely see happening, especially after the article the other day about the Knicks considering trading the pick. Obviously it’s all lip-service to an extent, but a move like that would be just…so…”Knicks” in character that it would not shock me at all, especially if the trade value bar was set this past offseason with Wiggins for Love (although thinking about it now, I’m not sure if they would be able to trade it unless they acquired another 1st round pick in this draft as they can’t trade consecutive 1st round picks?)

      Anyways…carry on. I just needed to share my grief

    70. I hear ya, but i can’t see it even if the top prospects aren’t franchise changing bigs anyway.

      Of course, but the frustrating part would be losing a potentially talented to franchise-level player on a rookie contract. If we outright signed Dwight or any other “superstar” for MMM money it wouldn’t be nearly as frustrating

    71. @hoolahoop.

      Hes dreadFUL.

      BTW. The Nets could have had Favors and Kanter right? the Nets got a steal according to pundits lol.

    72. If we trade our high lottery pick for Dwight Howard, I swear to Krom I will burn Brian Cronin’s house down. Cronin’s a really nice guy, Phil. Don’t make me do something awful.

    73. I know I criticize Bargs all the time, but I think he might really be better than Jason Smith. Which is kind of amazing.

    74. I thought he was making around $845k for next year?

      You’re right and I knew that. What I didn’t realize was that’s the minimum for a guy with 1 year experience. My bad.

    75. IN 1985 the KNICKS have a top pick and an all time great scorer in the name of Bernard King who injured himself in 86. The rest is history or is it dejavu?

      If it is a dejavu does it mean we will be in the playoff and be competitive for one decade?

      Interesting.

      For me stop hating. NY in JUNE 2015 could be the best KNICKS in terms of players and flexibility since 1985.

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