Knicks Morning News (2015.03.05)

  • [New York Times] Batum Rallies Trail Blazers Past Clippers 98-93 in OT (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 07:04:12 GMT)

    Nicolas Batum hit a 3-pointer that forced overtime, then set up three alley-oop baskets and added a clinching 3 in the final minute to rally the Portland Trail Blazers past the Los Angeles Clippers 98-93 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Curry Shoots Warriors to 102-93 Victory Over Bucks (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:07:02 GMT)

    Stephen Curry shook off a rough shooting night to make three straight 3-pointers early in the fourth quarter to help the Golden State Warriors beat the Milwaukee Bucks 102-93 on Wednesday night in their return from a season-high, six-game road trip.

  • [New York Times] Westbrook Has Career-High 49, Lifts Thunder Past 76ers in OT (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 05:46:08 GMT)

    Russell Westbrook donned a mask and played like a superhero.

  • [New York Times] Davis Has Huge Game in Return, Pelicans Beat Pistons 88-85 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 05:37:10 GMT)

    Anthony Davis was feeling great, fired up about being back on the court and not at all subtle about showing it.

  • [New York Times] Home Cooking: Spurs Return to Their Court, Beat Kings 112-85 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 05:34:18 GMT)

    The San Antonio Spurs are back home and beginning to show signs of returning to their old form.

  • [New York Times] James Scores 29, Cavaliers Beat Raptors 120-112 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:43:07 GMT)

    LeBron James retaliated on the scoreboard after Jonas Valanciunas tackled him on a drive late in the third quarter.

  • [New York Times] N.B.A. Roundup: Pacers Continue Surge With Rout of the Knicks (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:28:13 GMT)

    The Pacers won their third straight game on Wednesday by beating the Knicks, who have lost 10 of their last 12.

  • [New York Times] Hornets Rout Nets 115-91 in Key Game in East Race (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:16:10 GMT)

    The Charlotte Hornets didn’t try to hide it: This was an important game.

  • [New York Times] Wade, Whiteside Lead Way Late, Heat Beat Lakers 100-94 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:46:23 GMT)

    Dwyane Wade scored 25 points and added six assists, Hassan Whiteside grabbed 25 rebounds and the Miami Heat rallied to beat the Los Angeles Lakers 100-94 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Nuggets Win 2nd Straight Under Interim Coach Melvin Hunt (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:37:15 GMT)

    Kenneth Faried had 18 points and 14 rebounds to help the Denver Nuggets win their second straight since firing coach Brian Shaw, 100-85 over the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Hornets 115, Nets 91: Nets Say Every Game Counts, and Then They Lose (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:34:43 GMT)

    After edging the Western Conference-leading Golden State Warriors in their previous game, the Nets were little competition for the Charlotte Hornets, with whom they had been tied for the final playoff spot in the East.

  • [New York Times] Gasol’s Last-Second Shot Lifts Memphis Over Rockets 102-100 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:30:59 GMT)

    Marc Gasol made a jumper with 0.1 seconds left to give the Memphis Grizzlies a 102-100 victory over the Houston Rockets on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Zeller’s Shot at Buzzer Lifts Celtics Past Jazz (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:19:11 GMT)

    Tyler Zeller banked in a shot from under the basket as time expired to give the Boston Celtics an 85-84 victory over the Utah Jazz on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Suns Have Big 3rd-Quarter Rally, Beat Magic 105-100 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:04:48 GMT)

    Brandon Knight had 28 points and seven assists in his best game for Phoenix, and the Suns overcame a 15-point deficit to beat the Orlando Magic 105-100 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Pacers Take Easy Rout in Getting Past Knicks 105-82 (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 02:40:34 GMT)

    George Hill scored a season-high 21 points, and Rodney Stuckey added 17 to help Indiana rout the struggling Knicks 105-82 on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Post] Donnie Walsh’s advice to Phil Jackson, Knicks on latest rebuild (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 04:46:58 -0500)

    INDIANAPOLIS — Former Knicks president Donnie Walsh has a word of advice for the current president regarding the club's cap space this summer and next: It's not always about signing…

  • [New York Post] Ewing fondly remembers Mason’s take-no-prisoners style (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 00:53:36 -0500)

    They took no prisoners. Even among themselves. Pat Riley's Knicks were known for their toughness and Patrick Ewing, the center on those terrific, though title-less teams, recalled the physicality of…

  • [New York Daily News] Donnie Walsh has faith in Phil Jackson and Knicks (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 06:07:40 GMT)

    A few years before Phil Jackson arrived, Donnie Walsh was entrusted with breaking down the Knicks’ roster to free up salary-cap space.

  • [New York Daily News] Patrick Ewing remembers late Knicks teammate Anthony Mason (Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:22:00 GMT)

    Patrick Ewing sat courtside at Barclays Center before Wednesday’s game between the Nets and Hornets, remembering his late teammate.

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    66 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2015.03.05)”

    1. Just to clarify my points from yesterday, since I just had a chance to read the commeupance I got:

      I never said Melo was a top 10 player, because I don’t think he is right now. I said he is considered a top player, and holds a ton of other players’ respect; LeBron, Kobe, and Shane Battier have made many comments in the past couple of years about him being a top player, and one of the hardest to defend. Other players do respect him, and if you’re looking to get a guy like Marc Gasol, Butler, etc., you may need a “top” player to entice them to play with. (I also don’t think Melo is worth his contract, but he IS worth a high amount, as one of the top shooters in the game – one we used horribly over the years)

      I also never said the lineup of Calderon/Shump/Melo/STAT/Dalembert were world beaters, but acceptable on the way to a possible playoff appearance. Which is fair. If most of these guys weren’t injured to start the season, who knows where we would be.

      That’s all. All the arguments against me yesterday seemed to agree with what I was trying to say.

    2. Comeupance? Come-up-ance? Whatever, it’s a word.

      Oh, it’s comeuppance. Looks weird.

    3. I was led away, and I got my come-uppings, or the other fellow’s come-uppings, for I wa’n’t to blame any, and I always said so, and I guess the judge would say so too, if it were to do over again.
      The Minister’s Charge, by William Dean Howells, 1886.

    4. btw, how fucking Bargsy is it that this guy starts going all POINTZ only after we can’t even hold out the hope of bamboozling some other team with him?

      4 rebounds in 38 minutes. Sweet holy moses.

    5. He sucks. I really wish I was in the room when whoever it was said, “Hey, I think we can get Bargnani from Toronto!” And hear ANY REASON WHATSOEVER for trading for him (and giving away good stuff for him)

    6. Prediction: The day Phil resigns Bargnani will be the greatest day in the history of this board.

    7. Prediction: The day Phil resigns Bargnani will be the greatest day in the history of this board.

      For the love of God, no. Not only because I’d finally have to give up on the Nix for good, but because I’d have to give up knickerblogger as well after seeing holahoop tell me that I was in favor of the Melo trade (when that’s the reason I stopped posting for a couple years). Or watch Cpn Luke pull the 5% of comments in favor of something 95% of the board hated as evidence that we’re all idiots and he is the voice of reason.

      “Fire Jackson!” Yeah, because that’s the best way to show the world the organization is now stable and run by basketball people and not a capricious demon.

    8. Meanwhile, Hassan Whiteside! I was one of the ones who wanted him a few years ago, but I confess it was just because I liked his name.

    9. Reminder that we drafted THJr 3 positions ahead of Rudy Gobert AKA the best player of the 2013 draft. Kill me.

    10. Ah, Timmy. 2 takes on the pick from that fateful night:

      “Drafting mediocre college players isn’t a crap shoot. It’s a way to get crappy pro players. Sure, it’s possible Hardaway becomes a much better player in the NBA than he showed in 3 years of college, but it’s really unlikely. It’s a waste of a pick.”
      -Some handsome genius

      “yeah, the mechanics of his jumper are good, range is awesome and he shot 45 % off the dribble last year, which is great.

      I guess I’m trying to figure out why his overall shooting numbers are so average.”
      -One of the dear departed

    11. It’s even worse because when we drafted THJr we had a blockage at the guard position and a lack of non-injury prone centers which makes it not just a failure of scouting but also a failure in properly evaluating what our team needs which concerns me for this coming draft.

      I would love to be able to trade down with Philly 4th position if we get lucky and somehow pick up Mudiay/Russell and Cauley-Stein as someone mentioned in the prior thread. That would fit better into Jackson’s five year Melo plan as well. As tempting as Towns I think having two earlyish picks instead of the top pick is more valuable if we’re trying to “win now” (which is probably what we shouldn’t be doing but w/e).

    12. The two things to keep in mind about the draft is that it is more likely than not that we will not have the first pick, and our pick, whatever it is, can’t be traded.

      But sure, Towns would be awesome.

    13. But I think we could draft whoever our trade partner wanted and make the trade five minutes after both teams made their picks. Of course then the Knick’s have to draft someone they would be happy with in case the player the other team wanted wasn’t available when their turn came.

    14. We can’t trade our pick.

      But we can trade our pick for other picks in this draft, right?

    15. I don’t know, I always imagined Jowles as a mid 40s Republican with a Democratic mind, stroking his (perfectly polished) hunting rifle while reading Nate Silver pieces with sincere curiosity.

      You’re close, but I am in my late twenties, do not affiliate with either of those damned parties, and I do not (and would not) own a firearm (unless I lived in the countryside). And I learned the bleach thing from the internet, and also I am sorry for that. Have you ever read Robert Nozick?

      Also Adam Sandler is a hack, and Cronin hit that nail on the head.

      BILLY MADISON : JACK & JILL :: 1996 BULLS : 2015 KNICKS

    16. I could only see Philly trading with us and they wanted Okafor and we drafted him first and then they drafted Towns for us and gave us the Heat pick as well. Don’t know about other possibilities. Maybe somebody more versed could run them down for us. We’d still need to get the #1 pick before any thought of a draft and trade could occur.

    17. they have the lakers pick assuming its out of the top 5 which is a real possibility. in the even that it happened it’d likely be hezonja cauley-stein or porzingis

    18. Reminder that we drafted THJr 3 positions ahead of Rudy Gobert AKA the best player of the 2013 draft. Kill me.

      I’ll enjoy some schadenfreude in that Denver, who was really so good right after the Melo trade, decided to light themselves on fire but jettisoning BOTH the Coach of the Year (Karl) and Exec of the Year (Masai). Not 6 days after they introduced the new GM, they drafted Gobert and then traded him for Erick Green (who?) and cash. Ouch. Funny how no one talks about that trade. Then he traded Kosta Koufos, who is actually an average NBA center (you can get 2 1st round picks for those!) for Joffrey Lauvergne, who might have a little talent I guess.

      But man – did Denver really blow themselves up. Brutal.

    19. Robert Nozick–every basketball fan’s favorite philosopher just for his wilt chamberlain example, no matter how half baked his ideas actually are.

      Nah im giving nozick a hard time he’s *alright* but I find his contributions outside political philosophy to be more compelling than Anarchy, State, and Utopia. But even on that score he doesn’t accept the principle of deductive closure!

    20. Denver didn’t jettison Masai Ujiri; he quit to go to greener pastures. Denver was very depressed about it. But it was sort of their fault anyway. I remember reading that Denver notoriously pays GMs very little and Toronto was willing to pay a lot more.

    21. Denver didn’t jettison Masai Ujiri; he quit to go to greener pastures. Denver was very depressed about it. But it was sort of their fault anyway. I remember reading that Denver notoriously pays GMs very little and Toronto was willing to pay a lot more.

      That was my point – they probably had the ability to keep him and didn’t pony up. I can’t imagine he would’ve left a team that he basically built from the ground up after the Melo trade if Denver had come close to matching Toronto’s offer.

    22. Long time viewer, first time poster here. I’ll probably won’t be posting much here, but I had a question I wanted to post to all of you knowledgeable Knicks fans out there. First off, I apologize if this has been discussed already, and secondly, I know there is a lot of Melo hate on this board so don’t jump down my throat… Ok, here is the question, how would things be different and what kind of career would Melo have if he was selected by the Pistons #2 instead of Darko? He would definitely have one championship and maybe two since it was such a close series they lost to the Spurs. Also, he would have been mentored by Larry Brown. So he could have been a two time champion and legit two-way player. Would people consider him the best player in the league? Would he basically be today’s Lebron (obviously without the diverse skill-set, but viewed as more of a winner)?

    23. You’re close, but I am in my late twenties, do not affiliate with either of those damned parties, and I do not (and would not) own a firearm (unless I lived in the countryside).

      Boy sounds exactly like me. Go figure

    24. See, we’re all friends here!

      Oh, and in terms of production, Carmelo Anthony is an average NBA basketball player.

    25. I think it’s impossible to evaluate the counterfactual but even if Carmelo were a legit two-way player he’d be at least two tiers under LeBron (who’s in his own tier, or maybe in a tier only with AD and CP3/KD or something) but probably worth the max sans injury issues.

    26. Obliquely related: is a clear max player who’s not a top 3-5 player worth an NTC? Obviously Carmelo doesn’t warrant an NTC or a max, but I think there’s an interesting subset of max players who are in that gray area. Is the guarantee of locking up a very good star worth the additional risk –or at what point is it worth said additional risk? It’s probably case by case but I’d generally say no.

    27. When I logged on and saw that there were 250+ comments posted yeaterday, I figured something big must have happened. Phil was fired? Dolan sold the team? Mason was resurrected?

      …But as it turned out the big news of the day was that hoolahoop doesn’t like Carmelo Anthony and that Adam Sandler isn’t funny.

    28. How much of a hit will GSW take in tax penalty for their 1st rounder? In years past teams have bought late 1st rounders, would it be wise for GSW to sell theirs since they will be so much over the cap

    29. How much of a hit will GSW take in tax penalty for their 1st rounder? In years past teams have bought late 1st rounders, would it be wise for GSW to sell theirs since they will be so much over the cap

      Golden State can’t trade or sell their pick because they didn’t make a selection last year and they owe their 2016 pick to Utah.

    30. Under the Stepien Rule, the Knicks (or Golden State, which is in the same boat) could:

      1. Trade this year’s pick before the draft so long as they get a first round pick in 2015 or 2016 in return. The Stepien Rule only works prospectively. The fact that a team did not have a pick last year is irrelevant.

      2. Make their selection for another team and then, right after the draft, trade that selected player (who is no longer considered a “pick” for purposes of the Stepien Rule) for other players or picks.

    31. It’s great how many rules the league has to keep the owners from doing really, really stupid shit all the time.

    32. Ok, here is the question, how would things be different and what kind of career would Melo have if he was selected by the Pistons #2 instead of Darko?

      Impossible to speak with much certainty obviously, but I think there’s a good chance it wouldn’t have made that much of a difference for a few reasons. One, I think assuming that he would have two rings is putting the cart before the horse a bit. A big part of what made those Piston’s teams special was their chemistry and defense. There’s no guarantee that adding Melo to the mix – precocious rookie, high volume shooter, weak defender – would have simply strengthened the team. I definitely think there’s some implosion potential there.

      But even if we take for granted that he would have won a title in there somewhere, I’m not sure it would make a massive difference in the perception of him at this point. Remember, Melo had the “he’s a winner” sheen his first few years in the league regardless, due both to his exploits at Syracuse and the early relative success of the Nuggets, and that gloss has definitely faded over time. A title or two would definitely have slowed that process and to a certain segment of fans it would definitely continue to give him a lot of extra cachet, but unless he continued to be on winning teams that shine would fade. And it seems likely to me that he would have ended up stuck in Detroit as the Pistons crumbled around him, at which point the narrative would have swung against him.

    33. The unknowable is whether Detroit trades for Rasheed Wallace if Carmelo Anthony is there. And without ‘Sheed, that Detroit team has to play a very different style in the playoffs.

    34. It’s great how many rules the league has to keep the owners from doing really, really stupid shit all the time.

      I’d bet the farm that 9 out of 10 owners would talk your ear off about the “purity of the free market” too. Ask them about the salary cap or the Stepien rule? “Oh, that’s different”.

    35. I’d bet the farm that 9 out of 10 owners would talk your ear off about the “purity of the free market” too. Ask them about the salary cap or the Stepien rule? “Oh, that’s different”.

      Or ask them about taxpayer funded stadiums. All I know is guitar Jimmy is in big trouble when the revolution come.

    36. I’ll enjoy some schadenfreude in that Denver, who was really so good right after the Melo trade, decided to light themselves on fire but jettisoning BOTH the Coach of the Year (Karl) and Exec of the Year (Masai). Not 6 days after they introduced the new GM, they drafted Gobert and then traded him for Erick Green (who?) and cash. Ouch. Funny how no one talks about that trade. Then he traded Kosta Koufos, who is actually an average NBA center (you can get 2 1st round picks for those!) for Joffrey Lauvergne, who might have a little talent I guess.

      But man – did Denver really blow themselves up. Brutal.

      Example #1,403,400 why the kids of rich people should never, ever, ever get to run their parents’ sports franchises. Is there even a decent counter-example out there? There must be some exception to the rule, no?

      “Hey, I’m Josh Kroenke. My smart, if slightly scummy, father has built a great franchise mostly by staying out of the way. It seemed like I was going to do the same, but oops, no, I decided it was now time for me to put my stamp on the franchise!!”

    37. The unknowable is whether Detroit trades for Rasheed Wallace if Carmelo Anthony is there. And without ‘Sheed, that Detroit team has to play a very different style in the playoffs.

      Yeah, that changes things dramatically. Also, 2003 is so long ago that the idea of Melo:

      A. Playing the 4 and
      B. Shooting a lot of threes

      Was not even a glimmer in anyone’s eyes

      And since those are the two things he does best, I really dunno what he would have been like on that Pistons team.

    38. Melo couldn’t shoot 3’s when he was younger. I suppose you could say that perhaps Detroit could have molded the impressionable young Melo into a guy who didn’t take too many stupid shots he didn’t have to, and maybe taught him to shoot 3s earlier, but it’s not like you could prove that would even have been likely to happen.

    39. Right, but that’s what I’m saying – since he wasn’t a three-point shooter then, I really don’t know how they would have used him. He really doesn’t seem like he fits into that particular Detroit offense. I mean, obviously he was so talented on offense that they would have found a way to work him in, but it’s hard offhand to see how it would have worked.

    40. It’s a pretty good question, re:Melo on the Pistons.

      Another interesting question is how many rings Detroit would have won if they’d selected the actual 2nd best player in that draft (Wade).

      The Pistons of that time are actually a pretty good model for Phil Jackson to have looked at in rebuilding this Knick team. They lost their franchise player (GHill) to another team and took whatever assets they could get from the loss. One of them turned into gold for them. Then they built the rest of their team through mid-tier free agents (Billups), and lateral trades (Hamilton). None of their core players were drafted by the team. They built an identity through defense and went to the finals twice. (Without ever bottoming out).

    41. If Melo played like a superstar, would he be considered one?

      The question is if Melo played like Melo but on another team.

      It is hard to say, because the perception of those Detroit players change sa lot from fan to fan. They weren’t exactly the most popular players around, but winning a ring gave them a lot of respect (although quite shared among all the team; in my mind Billups and Rasheed stood out from the rest, but i cant speak for the rest of the fans)

      Let’s say, would Ginobili be better considered if he player for NY, had ‘better’ numbers but never win a ring? Depends on who you ask…

    42. In terms of the tankathon, the probability is that we will rank in the bottom 3, but the question is, where? We have foru critical games left: Lakers, Wolves and Sixers twice. I’m guessing that we finish 2nd to last, just ahead of Sixers but behind Minny and Lakers. In any event, we need to consider picks 1 thru 6 and that’s it! (Ignore pick ‘n trade scenarios for now.) Who are the 6 players that would be ok to draft?
      I love Towns, he’d be my #1
      Okafor, Russell and Mudiay are all about even for me. Mudiay’s stock is rising for me, but a lot depends on how Russell plays in the NCAA tournament.
      Stanley Johnson? I’m not feeling great about him.

    43. minnesota i expect to finish ahead of … i can’t see that team to keep losing at the pace that they are…
      the lakers are iffy… but we do have the benefit of a 3 game lead on them…
      the sixers are going to be tough and i wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to throw out their dleague team in their two games against us…

      it probably will come down to those 4 games… and it makes me nervous… the difference between the top 3 and everyone else is dramatic especially if you think the euros will get picked in the top 6 which makes it even more scary … they are wildly overrated this year…

      top 3 is towns, russell, ok4 in that order and almost everyone has those three names in some arrangement .. after that it’s mishmash of names with turner, portis, mudiay, delon wright, stein leading the list of intriguing names… but they are not the prospects the other 3 are.. each of those guys could have gone #1 in 8 out of the last 10 drafts… ok4 is probably on par with blake griffin for example…

    44. Y’all gotta keep faith. I’ve watched some really terrible Knicks teams, and I can say this one is the absolute worst. Plus we got Bargs. The Lakers? Minny? Shit, those teams got good basketball players on them. Philly might be tough. I could see them saying Noel got the mumps or something and sitting him the last month. But I believe in this tank.

    45. Looked back at the Hardaway Jr. draft post, I wished I had gone stronger than this…

      Anytime you can take a guy with a 53% ts% in college you got to do it.

      Right?

      Loving the hot hot action on the board of late.

    46. Those Sixers-Knicks games should be epic, how about this scenario:

      “Tie game, 5 seconds left, Knicks inbound the ball under their own basket, Shved lays it in for a Sixers victory!”

    47. @59 lol

      Anyone like Frank Kaminsky? I know he’s a 4-year player and all that, but he’s made a massive improvement since being a freshman. Would it be worth trading down for him and an asset?

      (assuming we don’t get a top-3 pick)

    48. As a general rule, players turned color commentators suck at their jobs. There are exceptions, of course (Clyde), but in general I find this to be true.

    49. Russell Westbrook’s triple double streak looks like it’s going to end, but 40 points with five minutes to play!

    50. You know the old Dave Chappelle bit, “When keeping it real goes wrong?” That right there was “When hero ball goes wrong.”

      “Hey, there’s two seconds left, we’re down two and they’re swarming all over Russell. Should we still force the inbounds to Russell?”

    51. How can Dion Waiters possibly be the guy you want inbounding that ball. That trade would have been merely terrible with a decent coach but with Brooks who won’t bench him it is a calamity.

    52. Excellent point. It was all over terrible. I’d love to see Brooks’ gameplans. I bet they’re all written in crayon.

    53. I always wondered what Woodson was saying during timeouts at the end of the games. How many different ways could he say “Give the ball to Melo, everybody else stand around and watch.”

    54. “Again, a one-dimensional offense is a big part of what we do as a ball club. We’re not going to kick iso-Melo to the curb just because everyone else knows our game plan. The East is big, man. What’s a tuferwon? Ray, stop eating.”

    55. 26 points, 5/15 shooting, 14/16 FT and 2 blocks for Mirotic tonight. There’s honestly no way he’s not ROY. If only he could be on the Knicks–ah, we can dream.

    56. Sounds like Wes Mathews may be out for the season with a serious injury. There goes another Knicks target.

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