2019-20 Game Thread: Knicks @ Hornets

Kobe getting drafted by the Hornets and never playing a game for them would have to be the biggest sliding doors moment in their history.

The Hornets have always been a difficult team for the Knicks to handle (regardless of each teams respective record) for some reason, so I have no doubt this is a very getable L for us.

Early DSJ sighting. Hopefully he does something to pump up that trade value.

Why is Smith in before Ntilikina? Maybe the relatively lead meant Miller thinks it’s a good time to give him a chance?

Why is Smith in before Ntilikina?

Showcasing him for a trade?

Don’t think they need Frank’s defense against this matchup?

Miller fell down a flight of stairs last night and landed on his head?

I hope he plays well and we trade him.

Climbing the Eastern standings! Gotta hit that #9 pick!

Mills’ chant – “If we draft nine, I’m feeling fine. If in the East, we finish nine, I avoid the firing line.”

Is Frank’s groin acting up again? Why is DSJR in?

I thought Dallas might make a move for Willy. They desperately needed a big man after Powell went down, especially because KP had just missed 10 games. Willy has been buried on the bench for Charlotte. He can’t be happy and you could get him for next to nothing. Reuniting him with KP might have been a win/win for Dallas in that KP would be happy and it might give Willy the motivation to get back to work. Getting Willie Cauley-Stein was a much better move. I didn’t there think was any chance he was available. But it is interesting that the Warriors gave up on him.

Showcasing him for a trade?

I guess it could be. Mike Breen also mentioned that possibility. But it just occurred to me that sometimes players are held out of a game when they are about to be traded to avoid the possibility of an injury wrecking the deal. I hope that’s not the case. But it would be very Knicksy to trade Frank instead is Smith. Not only does Smith seem to fit management’s tastes more, but I think management just can’t bear the thought of some draft actually lasting three years or more with the Knicks.

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There are scenarios where I would find trading Frank tolerable even though I have a man crush on him, but favoring DSJr over him is not one of them. Watching a team of DSjr, Randle, Portis, Knox, Trier…. and some no defense playing scrub they brought in for Frank would give me permanent health problems.

No Frank. Knox with the quick hook, RJ out. Mitch’s body language is the definition of apathy. I think there is a Bob heart Abishola rerun on demand that is worth a look tonight instead of this shit.

I like Monk as a reclamation project. He was an awful lottery pick, but will probably be a good player in a couple of years. He will likely be a good 3pt shooter, his terrible % right now makes it a good time to buy low.

You can always use a guy like Monk as a spark plug scorer off the bench. If he gets hot he can light it up, and if not, take him out. We sort of already have a guy like than in Trier (who I like better), but maybe Trier is also on his way out. He’s another guy that can’t be happy.

I like Monk as a reclamation project.

I think we have had our fill of reclamation projects in recent years. If you are looking for a project, just get 2nd rounders and get them on Mitch type deals.

I immediately thought they held out Frank because he might be in a trade package.
And he would net more than Smith.

The Knicks are just pounding that ball into the boards

something always so funny about clyde calling him gomez

They Willy revenge game.

randle has hit some tough shots but pj washington has played some of the better one on one defense against him we’ve seen

If the merc don’t fit, you must convict.

Frankie buckets

even given the obvious whocaresness, putting frank in now is just very weird

Front office demanded Smith play, Miller the puppet agreed. Simple as that.

Wow, great challenge by Borrego. That’s a tough, tough call.

Breen’s being dumb here. “Other players have gotten away with more obvious leg kicks.” Yes, but how many of them were on replays like that?

Mitch and Frank with back-to-back great defensive plays (and Mitch had an amazing dunk, too).

What a stupid foul by Randle. And boy, Morris sure loves to shoot, huh?

the bucks have 88 at the half against the wizards and giannis didn’t play

“The Knicks have to be looking for three pointers here” says Breen as Payton drives to the basket, not looking for a three pointer, and gets blocked.

Well, they surprised me by losing this one. Phew.

Damn, Dot.

Notwithstanding the playoff blather and the episodic schedule illusions and the coaching changes and the floor general returns, in reality, other teams look at the Knicks as the perfect team to break their eight-game losing streak against. That’s who they are.

If DSJr doesn’t play we win this one. Brass must have thought we’d win anyways. Hopefully signifies the beginning of the tank

It is weird about Smith. It was like Miller thought we can win this with Smith or Frank, so he gave Smith a chance. But then then the game progressed and that proved untrue, he wanted to win and put in Frank. It might have worked, but Morris got that weird call on the review.

Randle also looked like he got fouled a lot before the Morris call too. Then suddenly the Knicks got called for everything. It’s cliche to blame the refs, but 27 to 11 FT disparity is noticeable in a close game.

at least we kept pace with the cavs and hawks and warriors in the race to the bottom…t-wolves are trying to enter the fray….

Will be interesting to see what line Pills fed Miller to tell the press as to why DSJ got some run…and Frank sat..

i watched the nba league pass charlotte feed…holy shit their announcers are bad…not sure who the ex-player “anlayst” was but it was awful..

Maybe we can trade Wally to the hornets for a play by play guy to be named later.

scratch my head as to why they have not or will not throw the ball into the post to Mitch, i.e., doesn’t one person on the coaching staff work with him to get some kind of post game…our point guards don’t seem to even consider throwing it to him unless its out by the three point line and he looks to get rid of it like its a hot potato or on a pick and roll lob…He can get a jump hook off any time he wants….especially over a stiff like Cody Zeller…it’s mind boggling…

I’m fine with Mitch not backing dudes down in an effort to get off a jump hook-I don’t think he has the strength or the handle- but he’s almost always athletically superior to the dude guarding him and there have to be more times where he could get the ball and score on something other than an alley oop, and nobody on the team looks to pass to him.

@77 +1. He’s shooting 72%. 79% in 14 games this month!

This is probably terrible stats, but even if we replaced 3 average possessions (45%) with Mitch P&Rs, that should amount to 4.3 points for those 3 possessions instead of 2.7. An extra 1.6 points. Even allowing for extra time against better defenders, him shooting a lower percentage as more plays are called for him, etc, it would still have to be a net positive? And it helps his development presumably. And engagement. And I don’t think getting him an additional 3 plays is unreasonable? Mitch’s lack of playing time, and lack of P&R plays for him, have been my biggest headscratchers of this season.

Charlotte put a weakside defender in the lane and went under every screen. The pnr just wasn’t there.

The corner three was open all night.

Hey, at least they lost. Think about it – that minutes distribution could have resulted in a win!

Fwiw the post game quotes from Miller on DSJ were along the lines of “back to backs” “quick guards” “chance to get him back in there” “he played well”

They could have taken Kanter out of the doghouse and just run back last year’s team plus RJ and they would be better than this.

Full depression will only set in if the trade deadline makes it clear that Pills are still fully empowered. My hunch is that they aren’t, but we shall see. Recovery only begins after they’re gone and if they’re still here, recovery is impossible. That’s all that matters.

There’s really only two things left of any importance:

1. What Mills and Perry do at the deadline.

2. Whether or not Dolan fires them after the season.

I think it’s reasonable to expect to be disappointed on both counts. Assuming we are, we know exactly what to expect between now and the end of next season:

– a Marcus Morris extension, likely at a cost that handicaps the team for 3+ years
– another disappointing lottery pick
– the next batch of Bobby Portis, Wayne Ellington, and Elfriid Payton, all of whom inexplicably play more than the kids, none of whom develop.
– maybe another season of mike miller, maybe some other bum that they select to generate false excitement.
– another bottom 5 season

It’s going to be increasingly difficult to feign interest. It’s like we’re watching one Steven Seagal movie on TNT, and the only other thing we can watch is another Steven Seagal movie on TBS.

Hubert, I think the kids will actually get better. I’m not a believer they need thirty minutes a game to do so and they do seem to be improving. I also doubt that Morris will sign an outrageous long term contract, just because I have some faith in Perry. I agree with the rest of what you wrote.

1: FVV, Frank
2: Beal, Dotson
3: Bertans, Bullock
4: Randle, whatever we get in aforementioned trade
5: Mitch, room exception

I really don’t dig this roster, 45 wins at best.

I really don’t dig this roster, 45 wins at best.

Frank and Dotson in 257 minutes together this season have net rating of PLUS 6.2 (and that’s with a lot of Portis and Knox). Frank and Dot in 477 minutes together last season had net rating of PLUS 1.4. We should be able to put out a 2nd unit which would outscore the opponents since Bullock >>> Knox and Knox/DSJ/pick(s) trade should net us a decent player.

The starting unit would depend on how Mitch progresses and how Randle plays with much improved spacing. The team already plays much better without bricker Barrett. FVV, Beal, Bertans are all excellent from 3 and Mitch hitting corner 3’s should enable Randle to maximize his potential. More important, Mitch in spread PnR (FVV or Beal as ball handler) could be very effective with much better spacing. Felton, Shump, JR, Melo, Tyson was a top 5 offense.

But the real issue is there isn’t a lot of great alternatives here. The vision of Cole and RJ at the 1 and 2 is vomit-inducing. I’d rather field a young very competitive team and then hope to trade for a unhappy tier 1 star. In the meantime, team needs to invest in Mitch making significant jump and put players around him that facilitate that.

Full depression will only set in if the trade deadline makes it clear that Pills are still fully empowered.

But what actions would support that? The team can do one of three things at the deadline:

1)Trade for picks and cheap young assets
2)Trade for more established players
3)Do nothing at all

2 clearly means they still have the power to do whatever they want, and they are still doing short-term bullshit to cover their own asses (and/or because they don’t know how to build a team). 3 could also mean that they’re still in control and have bought into their own nonsense, or it could mean that Dolan basically won’t approve anything they do and is just running out the clock until he fires them.

1 is the ideal circumstance, but it also means we’re asking these two clowns to do a solid for their eventual replacement. In which case Dolan should have already fired both of them and empowered some interim guy with a Do No Long-Term Harm directive. But that implies that Dolan’s judgment is in any way trustworthy.

TL;DR: Why are we all doing this to ourselves?

I am genuinely approaching a level apathy from which there is little return. Essentially this board plus the potential for a turnaround has kept me in the game. This board is still great. But there was something so emphatic about the way we struck out in free agency and lost out on Zion to a carpetbagger of a franchise. And there’s something so hopeless about looking at the players we drafted in the lottery and the ones available at the top of this draft.

We need a regime change.

I vote we change KBlogger tagline to “Abandon hope all ye who enter here”

This trade deadline can’t get here fast enough

I am genuinely approaching a level apathy from which there is little return. Essentially this board plus the potential for a turnaround has kept me in the game.

Yeah we get these posts like clockwork every year around here, generally around now and when the Knicks do something dumb near the end of the season. Hell, I’ve made like four or five of these posts myself.

to lazy to google the name…but the first Segal where he comes back from the coma and takes out the Chicago mafia…with Kelly Lebrock as wife and William Forsythe as the deranged mobster was pretty good (on the Segal scale)…

I don’t think Dolan’s being an unreasonable owner this season. Almost any owner would have been ok with firing the coach after the way the team was playing. And not hiring a name coach was ok too. Now that Perry and Mills are on the hot seat he has to insist on trade approvals because he doesn’t want Pills to make bad long term decisions just to save their jobs.

this is a pretty emotional thread for a january game against charlotte….

this is a pretty emotional thread for a january game against charlotte….

Hahaha. I am despondent.

Yeah we get these posts like clockwork every year around here, generally around now and when the Knicks do something dumb near the end of the season.

But what always keeps us here? The sliver of hope that we win the lottery… The remote chance that [insert pending free agent] will leap at our cap space…that honeymoon phase of a new coach/GM during which we’re not sure he sucks so we wait to find out…

We have none of that! Not only is there no Zion or Ja in this draft, but our selection process tells us that even if there was we’d be more likely to take his awkward teammate. What great possibility am I holding out for? That maybe we get the top pick and use it on the poor man’s Oladipo so we can have FOUR straight lottery picks that can’t shoot and will take 3-4 years just to reach a floor that could be their ceiling?

Dare I say it, if Mills doesn’t go, the next 18 months will be the darkest period of basketball since Isiah.

The only thing I have to root for is an injury to Luka Doncic that would mean two top 5 pics in 2021. That’s dark, man. The best thing that can happen to us if for a basketball treasure to get hurt.

the Noah 72/4 in hindsight was probably the darkest

That was one of the dumbest things we did, but that period was still fairly hopeful. Kristaps Porzingis was 20 years old and coming off a strong rookie season. And we just drafted this “point guard” from France who could have been anything.

This is the worst point yet, punctuated by a pure merc ball loss to a dreadful team and whatever political machinations that went into out of nowhere giving DSJ Frank’s well-earned spot in the rotation. When you take into account the now-clear reality that there truly is no messiah coming to the rescue, it’s never been this low.

I will be very mad if Morris isn’t traded. The others I could care less about honestly. I don’t mind if we bring back Taj, Peyton and Bullock next season.

I would also do a DSJ for Monk trade. Neither are good but maybe a change in scenery would be good for Monk. Might as well kick the tires cause DSJ is a lost cause.

But I don’t think this is the darkest period in the last 20 years. I mean we have no long term albatross contracts holding us back and we do have Mitch and RJ plus 6 first round picks over the next few years and at least 2 of those are likely to be lotto picks. It doesn’t look or feel like progress and Mills and Perry need to go, but a decent GM and coach could build a respectable team in the next 4 years with that.

And that should be the goal. Respectability and long term, sustained success. Not win now, championship or bust. Get us to the level of say, The Pacers, and I think we would all be happy with that. If we got to that place, the ability to land a superstar in free agency would be easier for us since its still NYC and The Garden. But we gotta lay down the foundation.

Hell, I’ve made like four or five of these posts myself.

I prefer the occasional ultimatum into the air, i.e. if the Knicks do this or that I am done. It has worked every time so far.

Things are pretty dire. I do think they have been worse. I also think that the mood would take a sharp turn for the better if we hired a real executive so that we could talk about rebuilding. Which is something we have a lot of experience fantasizing about actually doing. Like a lot.

If I’m trying to squint at RJ and see positives, I can see the following things:

1. His 3PT shooting has been merely bad and not completely atrocious. He doesn’t need to add 100 points to his 3PT% to be viable.

2. His FT% was on the upswing, some of which was maybe regression to the mean. But it doesn’t seem out of the question that he could get that FT% to a reasonable number.

3. He plays pretty decent defense and is legit better than advertised on that end.

So that’s kind of the eye-squinty optimistic look at RJ. I want to like the kid and I’m rooting for him but man does he have a lot to work on.

I think my biggest problem is that even tanking, which seems to be the consensus approach here, hasn’t worked because the FO lacks the ability to correctly assess talent.

You know, I like Randle and Morris. They are nice second and third options, and could be 1 and 2 with a very good point guard.
But we have no reason to be confident that if we tank again the FO will make good picks or trade down for a major pick.
I mean, this team has several 1st round picks in recent years and they have not done anything.
It is deflating.
And last night, even as valiant as they were fighting at the end, you just knew there would be stupid mistakes that allowed a bad team to finish ahead.

BTW. I think it was Dell Curry last night on the Charlotte broadcast. They made the Morris reversal seem like a dramatically obvious leg kick, which I saw as a highly debatable call. He leg moved but very little and I could see it just being an action on landing. Bad call because it kind of determined the game.
But stupid drives and turnovers down the stretch and an inexplicable in ability to get into their offense over the first seven minutes of the 4th. Just terrible, terrible spacing, terrible play calling. terrible.

But yeah, unless Mills is fired,I don’t know how much attention I’ll be paying to this team in the near future.

They made the Morris reversal seem like a dramatically obvious leg kick, which I saw as a highly debatable call. He leg moved but very little and I could see it just being an action on landing. Bad call because it kind of determined the game.

While I agree that that one was very, very minor, Morris really does do that kick the legs move constantly to try to draw bullshit fouls and he gets a bunch of them. So it makes it hard for me to complain too much about that one going against him when I do think he’s pretty consistently running that scam sucessfully (and I have no doubt that he intended to kick his legs out there, he just didn’t get much foward whip that time lol).

As long as we’re talking bad announcing takes, Wally was ranting on the MSG postgame about how it’s completely impossible for a jump shooter to try to draw a foul and simultaneously make the shot. Has he tuned into a game in the last three years? Every good shooter has added that to their arsenal since the refs started cracking down on defenders allowing a landing space post-Kawhi injury.

Re RJ, I think there are five common development arcs (in the tradition of “there are two kinds of people…”):

1. Rookies who are fairly good their first year (likely eventually transcendent players, see Ja, Zion).
2. Rookies who suck their first year, but start to figure things out by year two (Trae is an interesting example of someone who did that halfway through what otherwise would have been an abysmal if periodically exciting rookie year).
3. Rookies who suck their first year, slowly improve, and make a jump later (often due to a change in team/system, e.g., Oladipo, Ingram).
4. Rookies who suck their first year, slowly or periodically improve year to year, plateau at some point, and eventually have a long bench or spot starter career.
5. Rookies who suck their first year, never figure out what they’re doing wrong or can’t figure out how to correct it all, and drop out of the league.

I’ll note that all but the first, extremely rare, arc have “suck their first year.” My point being that RJ is right on track compared to the vast majority of NBA players, and really deserves a long leash. It’s interesting to wonder if he’ll follow arc 2 or 3 (I suppose 4 is also in play, but hope not), but not that valuable to discuss that he sucks this year. Of course he does. I don’t think anyone put him in 1.

A lot of us seem to be moving almost game-to-game between 4 and 5 on Frank (with a few desperate hold-outs on 3), and most seem to be content with option 5 for our littlest point guard.

And I think this is the most dismal stretch I can remember. The darkest (with a tip of the hat to Noah and Rose) was when they first collected this island of misfit toys over the off-season and we saw the season unfold before us in our heads.

and rj’s problem at a micro level is really all about recognizing help defenses or figuring out what to do when he only has a half step on an opponent…. he’s been forcing a small but consistent percentage of drives in the face of the other two and that’s been impacting his ability to finish efficiently…. against bad interior defenses he has been torching them consistently….

just before he got hurt he integrated a little stepback midrange jumper to his game…. so the positive is that he recognizes that driving in certain situations is not going to end well… that’s good…. what’s not good is that he’s resorting to an inefficient shot instead of hunting for a better one… that’s not so good…

but it’s not unfixable…. it’s really an experience thing… lanes close a lot faster in the nba…. a half step on a defender means much different things now than he ever experienced…. that will come and how he adjusts will determine how good he will be….

what you can’t fix is someone unable to create anything for themselves or for others…. rj doens’t have that problem… some of the other young guys on our roster do…. and that’s what separates rj from them….

RJ takes nearly 40% of his shots from 0-3 ft. That’s a fantastic rate, higher than anyone not named Mitch or Taj. He’s only shooting 54% from there, (barely) better than DSJr and Frank. That’s concerning. Hopefully playing on a team not built for stone age basketball, that’ll improve.

People want to ascribe auteur visions to GMing philosophies, but a lot of it is just pure luck. The Pelicans won 33 games last year. The Grizzlies won 33 games last year. The Knicks won 17 games last year. Guess who got Zion and Ja, and guess who got RJ.

The Knicks need to have a draft where they have like the fifth pick and a D-Wade falls to them. That kind of thing is little more than pure happenstance.

As to the dark ages, even in the Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley/Clarence Weatherspoon year, there was still the reasonable expectation that McDyess — a really good player who would easily be the best player on this year’s Knick roster — would come back healthy the next year. And they did still have Spree, Houston, and Thomas in their very early 30s and did win 37 games. That was a far better situation than this.

And they did still have Spree, Houston, and Thomas in their very early 30s and did win 37 games. That was a far better situation than this.

That season was like year 1 or 2 of Allan Houston’s 6-year, $100 million contract extension. It was a worse situation than this one by default. As bad it is now at least the Knicks don’t have the worst contract in the league on the books for a bunch of seasons.

Yeah, but Houston performed to the level of the contract in 2003. It was only later, when his knees gave out, that it became an albatross.

Having a bad contract on the books doesn’t necessarily make a situation bad and conversely, having no bad contracts doesn’t make a situation good. If last summer proved anything, it was that cap space can’t always be spent effectively.

Yeah, but Houston performed to the level of the contract in 2003. It was only later, when his knees gave out, that it became an albatross.

Huh? Allan Houston was given the largest contract in league history at the time. He never performed to the level of that contract at any point in his career. It would’ve been terrible even if Houston remained healthy. Dude was a good 3pt and FT shooter. Didn’t really do much else. And the Knicks gave him a (6 year!) max at age 30.

And McDyess was washed long before he got to NY. He had at least two serious knee injuries before the trade. There was no reasonable expectation for him to ‘return to form’. And they gave up Camby and Nene for him.

It was an even bleaker time.

Can you imagine how much better this team would look with SGA and RJ in the backcourt throwing lobs to Mitch instead of Kevin Knox and his -0.8WS coming off the bench for 19 minutes?

Steph Curry is but … well, one spot. Luck has not been kind to the Knickerbockers.

Could the Knicks let the deadline pass and then to keep our favorite dawg happy do some sort of buyout deal where Morris becomes a free agent so he has his choice of playoff teams? I feel like that would be the edge of Dolan’s razor. Not even sure it’s possible but that’s where my mind is at.

The Dunc’d on guys did there annual mock trade deadline, they had us trading marcus morris for avery bradley, cousins and kuzma plus bullock for quin cook.

It was basically marcus morris for kuzma, with the idea we could trade bradley for something else too if need be. The other point was that kuzma would have a small cap hold in 2021 which allows us some flexibility to sign guys and keep him.

the other offer was sterling brown, dragan bender, dj wilson and the pacers first round pick from the bucks….

”And McDyess was washed long before he got to NY. He had at least two serious knee injuries before the trade. There was no reasonable expectation for him to ‘return to form’. And they gave up Camby and Nene for him.

It was an even bleaker time”

Not true. As bleak as that was, no one could have felt that the sucking could last for 20 years. Now we know it can

@108 Hard to Kill is the movie you’re referencing. However, his best HAS to be Glimmer Man.

Wasn’t McDyess from Layden? Naturally he then went to Detroit and SA and was a solid rotational big man.

The worst Morris outcome isn’t “Don’t trade him and then fail to resign him”, nor is it “Don’t trade him and then oddly buy him out to let him pick his own team” (which is totally legal but would be really rare for a player with obvious value). The worst outcome is pretty clearly “Don’t trade him and then do resign him”.

Yes, but the knicksiest outcome is Mills/Perry pass on getting a first round pick for him because they believe the smoke he is blowing up their ass about wanting to be here.

The guy reneged on a team he signed with. There’s no reason to hold on to this guy based on what he’s saying in February. He’s going to go to the highest bidder and it’s crim…. don’t want to get stuck in moderation…. it’s negligent to not trade him.

Not sure if anyone has seen KAT’s first interview since the Kings loss, but he does not look like a happy many in Minnesota. Surely we need to kick the tyres on him? Given the draft dosen’t look stellar this year, I wouldn’t be opposed to offering up this years 1st. Not sure what else would get it done. Maybe something centred around Randle and DSJ and some filler?

I must be remembering wrong about Walsh. I’m sure you are right, it was Layden

Not sure if anyone has seen KAT’s first interview since the Kings loss, but he does not look like a happy many in Minnesota. Surely we need to kick the tyres on him? Given the draft dosen’t look stellar this year, I wouldn’t be opposed to offering up this years 1st. Not sure what else would get it done. Maybe something centred around Randle and DSJ and some filler?

Towns is freaking awesome and he definitely looks like he could be next up on the young, disenchanted star who’s suddenly available. If the Knicks want to do a Strat and short-circuit the rebuild by turning a bunch of assets into a young star I do think he’s the guy they shoud be wooing behind the scenes. It’s going to be expensive though; I don’t think you’re even in the ballpark with that offer. They’d point to the Davis trade – Davis is better, but KAT has more team control and is younger. Something like Randle+RJ+this year’s 1st+2 other firsts maybe?

I agree that the Knicks are likely to want to re-sign Morris, but why would they offer him more than he’s making now per year and a long term contract too? He’s good, but the market for big men is not wonderful. I would expect something like three years, $30 million.

Hell this might have been one of the brighter moments of the last 20 years. Remember when we used to think “only this one bad GM is standing in our way.” Glory days!

I was going make a joke about how we are full circle with a roster of PFs since back then it was Clarence Weatherspoon, Othella Harrington and Kurt Thomas. Then I recalled we did that with Isaiah too with Tractor Traylor, Maurice Taylor and others. It must be a thing.

endowment effect

I’m not sure I want him at all, but I surely don’t want him for more than the Clippers price. It’s a different market this summer than last summer. I don’t know if similar offers will be available. Time will tell.

@154 Totally agree. As stupid as it would be to not trade Morris by next Thursday just to see him sign with another team in FA it would be astronomically stupider to not trade Morris and then hand him a new multiyear contract this summer.

@158 Are you thinking of the McGrady trade?

I don’t think you’re even in the ballpark with that offer. They’d point to the Davis trade – Davis is better, but KAT has more team control and is younger. Something like Randle+RJ+this year’s 1st+2 other firsts maybe?

Oh yeah no doubt the wolves price will be high. Like I said Randle would likely need to be a feature, but now that you raise possibly RJ being thrown in, I think it defeats the purpose of trading for him if you aren’t pairing him with at least RJ and Mitch.

i would give up whatever the hell we have to give up for KAT if that is even remotely possible…at least we would have a legit superstar on the team…some respectability…if RJ has to go..so be it…

A trade for KAT will take giving up every worthy asset we have +Clyde&Breen +Rebecca +Garden of Dreams foundation +Billy Joel +Celebrity Row +++++

Just heard on the broadcast:

Dennis Smith Jr has been up and down all season for the Knicks

Has he? Has he really? Is that an accurate description of his season this year?

Game thread?

I would move to Minnesota…

CRONIN!!!!!

Put Mitch in Jonas looks like he’s running in sand going up and down the court