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actually pretty easy to find:
October 1, 2023: Traded by the Portland Trail Blazers to the Boston Celtics for Malcolm Brogdon, Robert Williams, a 2024 1st round draft pick (Bub Carrington was later selected) and a 2029 1st round draft pick. 2024 conditional 1st-rd pick is GSW own 2029 1st-rd pick is BOS own, Portland also receives a trade exception
jrue had only been on the blazers for four days having gone there in a three team trade involving the bucks blazers suns
Our first assistant candidate. And obviously has familiarity with KAT.
not sure why they would go for him if they can get mike brown
Sure sign Jowles is dating a 19 year old bikini model
From last years GM survey
i am not saying that cassell and nori are bad they are just not right for the knicks in our current contender status in new york we need someone who has experience being a head coach and who has had success in the playoffs
Donnie learn to use AI search. ChatGPT gives you what you’re looking for in response to jrue trade portland boston not from this week
or the transactions page from bbref
Like Thibs..
A piece about the Pacers, would love to see something like this in the next iteration of the Knicks, although with Jalen it’s sorta impossible to imagine:
“For years, since not long after the organization traded for Haliburton in 2022, Carlisle has emphasized a concept he calls pace-21. The term is self-explanatory: Whether a make or miss precedes it, the ball must cross halfcourt with at least 21 seconds to go on the shot clock, a principle that wasn’t just about fast-break buckets.
The Pacers obsess over getting into their sets early, which gives them enough time to swing the ball to the other side of the court or dart with a third or fourth cut that forces a mistake from the defense. Indiana preys on those.
The offense took only 6.1 seconds to get into its first actions during the regular season, second in the NBA behind only the hasty Chicago Bulls, per Second Spectrum. During the postseason, when the game is supposed to slow down against more rugged defenses, that figure remained at 6.1, the highest of any team in the playoffs.”
Outside of Jrue, I cannot think of another player who was traded to the same team twice.
Edit: ChatGBT just told me Chris Paul and Jeremy Lin!
chatgpt is wrong on both counts it also says dwight howard who played for the lakers three separate times but was only traded there once not sure why it thinks it happened to cp3 and lin so easy to see that it did not cp3 played in okc twice but once was when they were the hornets and the other time with the thunder but he was a rookie when he was there with the hornets
amendment: i am not saying that cassell and nori are bad they are just not right for the knicks in our current contender status in new york there is such a thing as win curve for coaching too we need someone who has experience being a head coach and who has had success in the playoffs and who can adapt an offense to our current players
And they full court pressure you on the other end to prevent you from doing the same. Knicks need another ball handler. Preferably with size. Brunson can’t throw passes high because he is too short. It’s very damaging to his play making ability. He needs to learn to dribble around on the baseline a la Nash and CP3 in order to have more pocket pass angles
Someone was unfortunately dismissive of a recommendation that Kolek watch TJ to learn some moves, but I think it’s legit (besides their being the same height). They can both dribble through the paint like Nash, but TJ has some nice escape valves like his spin-away fall-back jumper once he’s on the other side (not to mention a change-of-direction layup in traffic). If Kolek could build on a few things like that he’d be pretty cromulent.
No reason to give up on the projection of Scoot as a star or superstar. Raised the TS 50-odd points at 20. Turns the ball over too much, but that can be cleaned up.
Geo’s connection or proposed connection between freedom/perceived freedom, and the output and content of one’s muse, is a fascinating and provocative idea.
I learned to use Doogie search instead, which is neither A nor I, but reminds me of 9th grade study hall trying to get other people to do my homework for me even though it would have been easier and faster to just do it myself. Ah, to be young again.
Strong pivot for Boston if Simons can stay healthy. If Horford returns, it may not be a true championship contender, but they’ll still be able to make a fairly deep playoff run. They could be facing us in the ECF if we hire the right coach and things break the right way for them.
Or perhaps they trade Brown for a good package and just wait for Tatum to return
You can balance that win curve with an experienced coaching staff.
The previous two championship coaches both won in their second playoffs.
Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich won in their second playoffs.
Spo had coached two playoff series (and lost both) before his 4 consecutive finals with LeBron.
Doc had never won a playoff series before winning with the Celtics.
I’m not sure Mike Brown’s record of consistently underwhelming is exactly what we need here. He had one really nice year in Sacramento and then they fell apart. That suggests to me he had some good ideas that got his players excited but he failed at the day-to-day shit Thibs excelled at, the preparation that keeps players motivated year in year out. History suggests he’s most likely to underwhelm again if we hire him.
Simons is the kind of move I’d like to see the Knicks make, but with someone younger. He’s 26, which means most of the upside is gone — although there’s certainly reason to speculate on the possibility that coming into a winning culture will bring out the best parts more and smooth out the worst parts.
And 26 isn’t necessarily the end of the upside.
His TS has become Barrett-ian, which isn’t really how you’d like to see the trend going. That said, very creative and skilled and shoots it well from downtown.
Philosophically, a sharp move by Boston and that’s even before the impact on the balance sheet.
I kinda can’t wait to see Boston’s offense with the Simons and White backcourt
you are assuming that white will still be there
Back when the Blazers had Lillard going off regularly and I’d try to catch their games whenever I could, I found Simons to be rather uninspiring. Did he get good? (I wish there was a way to use the internet to find stuff like that out).
AI search is garbage, both for constantly getting things wrong and for being terrible for the environment, given how much power it uses. I’ve set my browser to default all searches to not use the AI function.
Great idea, thanks Alan.
I think Mark Jackson got traded to the Pacers twice. The Knicks traded for Derrick Rose twice. I feel like there’s another recent player we traded for twice.
Outside of Jrue, I cannot think of another player who was traded to the same team twice.
Edit: ChatGBT just told me Chris Paul and Jeremy Lin!
that’s what you get for buying your gbt subscription in the garment district. d-lo was traded to the nets twice. we traded for camby twice.
I was shocked by the Simons trade but from what I’m reading Portland fans aren’t upset at all. I guess as good as Simons is on offense he’s worse than that on defense. And EPM has him consistently ranked as one of the worst defensive players in the league, including the single worst defensive player 3 separate times. This past season he was 12th percentile.
Oh, just remembered! We traded for Marcus Camby twice.
I suppose I can see Portland deciding that Jrue will be their version of Van Vleet: the grown-up who will help provide structure to a roster with a lot of talented younger players. He can play anywhere from 1-3, and can defend every position, so it’s not like he would interfere with Scoot or anyone else from getting run. No idea about their cap sheet and whether paying him that salary for his decline phase will hurt their ability to keep everybody else, and to improve the roster further. But it makes a kind of sense?
I have less than zero interest in employing Anfernee so this is strange for me. Maybe the Celtics see something. I don’t
dlo mark jackson camby and drose are all perfect examples at first we could not come up with anyone and now we have come up with three that have knicks ties i though maybe thjr or dennis smith but no on both
Scoot is still young, but definitely not where people expected.
His TOs are too high, but that’s one of the figures most likely to drop with age.
His 2p% is low, which I attribute to his underwhelming percentage at the rim. I’m betting it improves as he gets stronger. He already took a leap last year.
His 3p% should also continue to creep up. He’s a good FT shooter.
Also worth noting that his assisted 2p% is .253 and his 3p% is .771. He’s generating a lot of his own offense. He probably needs to scale that that back a bit. The 3pt ast’d number is early career Steph high and Steph was hitting 44% of those.
Not sure he’s ever a superstar, but he should be a lot better than he is now.
You can learn when it’s likely to be wrong. When all it needs to do is a trivial search like finding one trade, it will probably get it right, and save you research.
So is everything else on the internet.
If it needs to do more than several searches, or go into subscription protected sites, it is likely to miss things and lie about it.
That’s what Google is for.
You don’t even need to do research. Literally go to basketball reference and search for the player. All transactions involving that player are listed on their page. There’s also this website: https://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/Search.php
already mentioned bbref for transactions it does it at the most detailed level anyone could ever want for example for dlo:
February 9, 2023: As part of a 3-team trade, traded by the Minnesota Timberwolves to the Los Angeles Lakers; the Los Angeles Lakers traded a 2024 2nd round draft pick (Bobi Klintman was later selected) to the Minnesota Timberwolves; the Los Angeles Lakers traded Damian Jones, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Russell Westbrook and a 2027 1st round draft pick to the Utah Jazz; the Utah Jazz traded Malik Beasley and Jarred Vanderbilt to the Los Angeles Lakers; and the Utah Jazz traded Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Mike Conley, a 2025 2nd round draft pick and a 2026 2nd round draft pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Los Angeles also received multiple trade exceptions Minnesota also received a trade exception 2024 2nd-rd pick is least favorable 2025 2nd-rd pick is UTA own 2026 2nd-rd pick is UTA own Utah also received multiple trade exceptions conditional 2027 1st-rd pick is LAL own
AI is great for calculating your one rep max.
And some other things. But it’s amazing what it gets wrong too, like when I asked it what world oil production was just as a test and it missed by 14 million barrels.
This would be a great time to buy low on KP, as Boston is going to be very eager to move him. Not that we could or would do it for a variety of reasons, but he’s sitting right there for a contending team that needs a stretch big.
Tried to push gpt and claude on the traded twice question. Both scrambled several times and got it wrong. I stand defeated.
yeah it understands being traded multiple times but definitely does not understand the query for it being multiple times to the same destination we did quite a bit better with our own memory power
i think a lot of you guys may suck at talking to llms. also people.
you sound so free sometimes, I think it just triggered my jealousy button yesterday…
sorry E if i came across as petty…whatever you’re doing, most likely you are doing it right…
maybe my own buyer’s remorse for thinking committing to a social support system was critical to successful aging…
Yes! Mark Jackson was actually traded to the Pacers AND the Nuggets* twice each. He was also traded to the Knicks, the team who drafted him (for Chris Childs).
* in that damn McDyess trade
KP is fascinating to me, in that, if healthy, he obviously gives the Celtics at least a shot at being a real contender. But he won’t be healthy, but trading him won’t give you anything to be a real contender, either.
So…I dunno what I would do with him if I were Stevens.
here’s what I don’t get:
there have been thousands and thousands of pages of A Song of Ice and Fire stories about westeros/essos written already…
there were like 10 or so pre-release chapters released already for Winds of Winter…
why in the world can’t they just feed all those words in to an AI host and have it spit out the last couple of novels…grrm ain’t gonna get it done on his own…AI should be fine for that…
That’s just it though. If LLMs can’t understand the quality of people they are dealing with it’s a pretty major problem.
It’s really, really not, Geo. I think a lot of people grossly overestimate what LLM are capable of doing in terms of writing. (And, again, this is leaving aside how useless they are for research.) All they can do is take pieces of things that already exist and combine them, always in the most cliched ways. They are plagiarism machines at best. At best. Whatever GRRM’s faults are as a writer, the ChatGPT version of the sixth book would make him look like Faulkner, Steinbeck, Dickens, and Tolstoy rolled into one.
Oh, not at all — 100% serious about the idea, no snark.
I would trade him.
At his best I always loved what he brought to the table, but while he was making improvements to some areas of his game I think the injuries took a toll on him athletically and defensively.
If they are going to “punt’ next season due to Tatum’s injury, another year of KP is not going to get them anywhere. Longer than that and further deterioration for the year after that when Tatum is back seems better than 50-50.
I think he’s interesting to some team that needs a C that’s “all in” for next year or that just wants to gamble that he can stay healthy longer.
You know what would be very funny? How about he gets reunited with Doncic in LA. They need a C and paint protection badly.
Maybe a slimmed down more mature Doncic (I heard he lost a lot of weight) with a more mature KP will work a lot better with Lebron around.
That kind of sounds like us, lol.
KP, Brandon Ingram, and Anthony Davis are the poster children for the distinction between “taking a risk” and “praying for a miracle.”
That was me, and I was irritated that the suggestion was that they had similar games. Kolek is a fantastic penetrator with amazing vision who can shoot the 3. TJ is a fantastic penetrator who is adept at pulling up at making the mid-range shot. Sure it would be nice if Kolek could do that, but the only issue keeping him off the court isn’t that but his D – his passing and outside shooting makes him potentially a superior player to me if he could just play defense.
I don’t know how a contender could trade for KP when we just saw him fail the exact purpose you get him – putting you over the top in the playoffs. He simply can’t be counted on to hold up.
But yeah, maybe the Lakers are desperate enough to offer something. That would be amusing.
Somewhat plausible rumors of talks between Nets and TO involving Himself and draft picks.
terrell owens is in the nba now
If RJ Barrett’s trade value turns out to be Cam Johnson and the 19th pick E will be up all night running victory laps (and deservedly so).
yeah i would say that mark jackson and dangelo russell have certainly had a couple of the oddest transaction histories but not as odd as walker russell brother of campy and frank and father of walker russell jr.:
June 29, 1982: Drafted by the Detroit Pistons in the 4th round (78th pick) of the 1982 NBA Draft.
December 20, 1983: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.
July 11, 1984: Signed as a free agent with the Atlanta Hawks.
December 18, 1984: Waived by the Atlanta Hawks.
November 4, 1985: Signed as a free agent with the Detroit Pistons (played only one game with them).
November 18, 1985: Waived by the Detroit Pistons.
October 2, 1986: Signed as a free agent with the Indiana Pacers.
April 24, 1988: Signed as a veteran free agent with the Detroit Pistons (played only one game with them again the final one of his 6-year 155 game nba regular season career he played seven playoff games totaling 10 minutes and 6 points over two seasons with the pistons).
Jordi Fernandez was Team Canada’s coach when RJ lit up the Olympics. Might be some fire behind the smoke.
I don’t like Simons all that much, though I’d welcome him on the current Knicks at no cost as a sixth man microwave scorer type because he does get up, and make, a lot of 3s.
But I think he’s a decent return for Jrue. You might be able to flip him at the deadline for some more assets and Jrue’s contract was teetering on negative value territory. I’m more surprised Portland made the trade. Not because Simons is anything special, but because it’s not at all clear to me what their plan is, both as it relates to Jrue in particular and in general.
Read that Knicks might be looking to move up in the 2nd rd of the draft for whatever that’s worth.
seems to be of no consequence to us where barrett plays next season or ever
That’s the kind of stuff I was talking about.
Kolek sometimes uses the Nash dribble, but there’s more you can do out of that than just pass if someone is open. Sometimes you can attack again to score or create an open teammate on the second attack. TJ does some interesting things once he’s in the paint. Development is about improving and adding things you can’t do at present.
No doubt Kolek has issues on defense, but he’ll get stronger and we are talking about a backup. Every backup has holes otherwise they’d be starters. It’s not like our starter is a good defender. He’s a chair that draws offensive fouls.
Its soo annoying that folks continue to use skin color when making player comparisons or skill suggestions.
He’s a rookie and should be learning JB, – who is the maestro of the entire league at his size and athleticism.
As a mater of fact, best he spends the summer working with and being around Rick Brunson. Dare him to build a replica.
i think that in this case it has much less to do with skin color than with recency bias there are a lot of player skillsets that kolek could pull from in order to get better i am almost certain that kolek will get better next season based on experience and a likely uptick in playing time i think he’ll be a better nba player than his brother is as a pitcher
thanks for indulging me E…
yeah, I think i figured out the issue…just a bit overwhelmed at the moment by this tremendous loving environment I’ve tried to establish…
figured it out during physical therapy (working on my core/lower back and glutes)…
was unable to focus on the correct muscles and activation sequence for doing the exercise…visualization was extremely difficult…just been having a lot of trouble slowing down and focusing…
haven’t had much time alone for some months now…
it’s been about a couple of years i think since I spoke with my therapist…time to reach out and help get my mind clear and focused again…need to get my body straight…
okay then E, if you’d like please share 2 things you are committed to (not to include work 😊)…that way I know you haven’t figure out some secret way to stay above life’s unending fray…
I don’t think Kolek is a great penetrator. He’s an elite passer and his passing bails him out of a lot of drives that are going nowhere.
If anything, Brunson should learn how to pass from Kolek.
they can certainly learn from each other that is obviously part of the team concept
I was being generous in acknowledging that there might be some similarity in what he and TJ can do. But you’re right, he’s not a great penetrator. Just a superb passer who can make it work.
Hot take. Very rare for a PG to “learn” how to pass like Kolek (or greater examples Nash, Kidd, etc.) You either have that skill or you don’t.
Brunson can certainly share the ball more and up his traditional PG skills but he’s never going to be some dime passin’ wizard of a PG.
Kolek, however, I think can learn some of Brunson’s crafty moves to help him score.
seems unlikely that we will be naming a coach in time for the draft tomorrow altho with only one low pick it may not be a big deal that said it might be nice if the new guy had a say as hopefully he would give someone a few minutes here and there
unless of course we punt the pick entirely which is probably what we are going to do
There would be no need to punt that pick, no? 2nd round picks that late are not guaranteed contracts, right?
I imagine we either go with some 3 or 4 year college player who has some unique skill but is considered too old or too flawed to go higher or we do a euro draft and stash.
i agree that we should not punt the pick but i think we will and in that case i would like the new coach to have a say unfortunate
As much as I’ve complained about Leon Rose’s use of draft picks, I don’t really care if he punts on this year’s pick; the 50th overall pick is pretty damned unlikely to amount to anything.
Just kind of staring at the tweet wondering what’s going on here
I have no idea what this trade is.
It’s very weird. Where, again, I can squint and kind of see what both Boston and Portland were trying to accomplish with their trade, I have no idea what the point of this one is for either side. Though I also have no idea of the dollar amounts or relative cap sheets. But NOLA ownership hates paying the tax, I know. So I would guess they’re saving money on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V0TYIO6yv4
definitely a better haul for the bullets than it is for the pellies poole is a toxic asset and mccollum definitely is not olynyk a great throw in by the way i would be very interested in acquiring olynyk
a good comp for current olynyk might be our own channing frye great off our bench
Sounds like you and I have similar back issues, Geo. Mine was fine for like the last eight months and then literally within the last week took a downturn. Was lazy about the glutes and other exercises, sat in a dumbass recliner watching sports without getting up enough, generally overtaxed it lately, etc.
Gotta get the glutes and core back.
To circle it kind of back to basketball, Steve Kerr had back surgery maybe 10 years ago and the surgeons kind of botched it and he had that spinal fluid leak and had to sit out like half a season and in the wake of it all said out loud publicly “Don’t have back surgery, do your physical therapy.” Words stuck with me — I’ll never have back surgery unless there’s literally no other option. It’s been recommended.
Kind of interesting to see one-dimensional gunners moving around. Not sure Simons and Poole aren’t the same player.
In fact, a Statshead one-on-one comparison is pretty funny. Simons makes a higher percentage of threes, otherwise yeah, they’re kind of the same player…
This is what they call an old-fashioned shitswap.
disagree for the reasons already stated but what else is new
I’m betting we make a pick just to have access to the 2nd round rookie salary slot. It helps a lot if we sign a TP-MLE. If we don’t, we can put the player on a 2-way.
There’s a bunch of older players in the 2nd round and Leon seems to love older players (not named Dadiet or, umm… Keels?)
New Orleans gets a young dynamic scorer who just put up a 2.0 OBPM while clearing some money, potentially to use the MLE.
WAS doesn’t have to deal with Poole anymore.
Apparently Washington could have close to 100m in cap space next summer but lord knows what the hell they’ll wind up using it for.
Whoever got Jordan Poole lost the tade. 😉
pellies definitely lost the tade
Just for the record, skin color never has anything to do with my analysis. I use player profile. Next time we draft a white backup PG that plays like Ja Morant, I can assure you I won’t compare him to some athletically limited white dude like TJ. I’ll compare him to Ja and hope he can add some of Ja’s skills.
As far as Kolek/Brunson goes, no doubt Kolek could learn some footwork from Brunson that would help him get his shots off. I’m sure I’ve brought that up in the past. But better yet, I’ve also said our starting PG could learn a lot about making the players around him better from Kolek by not always focusing on getting his own shot all the time.
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