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  • No Trade Market For New York Knicks Target Giannis Antetokounmpo – Sports Illustrated
    06/11/2025 11:00:02
     
  • New York Knicks Insider: Kevin Durant Trade Unlikely – Sports Illustrated
    06/11/2025 11:00:01
     
  • Heat fans should laugh at Knicks’ questionable move that may come next – All U Can Heat
    06/11/2025 11:00:00
     
  • NBA rumors: Ime Udoka was not interested in Knicks’ job – HoopsHype
    06/11/2025 10:23:27
     
  • REPORT: Knicks ‘definitely’ interested in Kevin Durant trade – Posting and Toasting
    06/11/2025 09:00:01
     
  • Knicks Requests to Interview 2 Rival Head Coaches Rejected – Yahoo Sports
    06/11/2025 07:02:30
     
  • NBA: Knicks Hit a Wall in Coach Search; Western Conference Teams Deny Permissions – Al Bat
    06/11/2025 05:51:28
     
  • Don Nelson on Tyrese Haliburton, coaching the Knicks and Small Ball – Marc Stein | Substack
    06/11/2025 05:56:04
     
  • The Timberwolves Firmly Commit To Head Coach Chris Finch By Denying The Knicks – Athlon Sports
    06/11/2025 04:46:16
     
  • Report: Rockets, Wolves rebuff Knicks’ request to poach coaches – Deadspin
    06/11/2025 04:51:00
     
  • The Knicks have requested interviews with Ime Udoka and Chris Finch. – NBAmaniacs
    06/11/2025 04:47:40
     
  • Knicks denied by Timberwolves, Rockets to talk with Chris Finch, Ime Udoka – New York Post
    06/11/2025 05:15:00
     
  • Knicks denied permission to speak with Rockets’ Ime Udoka, Timberwolves’ Chris Finch for head coaching vacancy – SNY
    06/11/2025 04:30:51
     
  • Knicks Reportedly Targeting Multiple Active Head Coaches – Yahoo Sports
    06/11/2025 04:16:00
     
  • Jason Kidd to Knicks unlikely as Mavericks not expected to allow coach to leave for New York, per reports – CBS Sports
    06/11/2025 03:50:00
     
  • Knicks coaching search: New York denied permission to speak with Rockets’ Ime Udoka, Wolves’ Chris Finch – CBS Sports
    06/11/2025 04:13:16
     
  • Knicks Denied Permission to Speak With Western Conference Coach Regarding Vacancy – MSN
    06/11/2025 04:37:22
     
  • Knicks Reportedly Denied Ime Udoka, Chris Finch HC Interviews amid Jason Kidd Rumors – Bleacher Report
    06/11/2025 03:05:41
     
  • Sources: Knicks’ request for Udoka, Finch denied – ESPN
    06/11/2025 03:40:00
     
  • Knicks requested to interview ex-Celtics coach but were denied (report) – Yahoo Sports
    06/11/2025 03:29:00
     
  • 180 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2025.06.11)”

    SORRY! I played around with a file yesterday because I got a warning that file space was low, but I made a boo-boo. I’ll find a different way to deal with that issue.

    Carry on!

    Reed Garrett is a stud.
    Jeff McNeil is the Real Deal.
    Juan Soto is just getting started.

    Its good to be a Mets fan right now.

    Smelling more and more like interventionist Dolan is back.
    I just can’t imagine Leon and co would have fired Thibs without some plan that isn’t “ask all the best coaches in the league whether their teams will allow the best coaches in the league out of their contract for no obvious reason”. (and then ask Jason Kidd of all people).

    There is no possible PR reason for the Knicks to ask for permission to hire coaches and to be turned down. It’s just a mess.

    Remember when the 54-win team traded for Andrea Bargnani and you got the sense of “wait a minute, these guys don’t know what they’re doing” and then the season started and it was all Bargnani GIFs and “Blame Beno” and the whole franchise went instantly into clown mode and then Phil Jackson was hired?

    Well, I remember.

    In a weird way, I’m kinda happy Kidd and Dallas said no. While I think Kidd would have been a good coach for this roster, he’s not a clear upgrade from Thibs. Maybe this means we get a truly fresh voice. Give Johnnie the job, ask him to consider keeping Cheeks and the other Bryant, and let him fill the rest of the staff out. I’m all in on Johnnie or Danny- I won’t be happy with any other hire. I won’t be mad if the hire is Jenkins or even Malone/Vogel, but I won’t be thrilled about it like I would be about Bryant and Hurley. Hell, I’d be super thrilled if one of Bryant’s lead assistants would be Quinn or Cassell. Get it done Leon and help me not be so anxious about offseason moves!

    SORRY! I played around with a file yesterday because I got a warning that file space was low, but I made a boo-boo. I’ll find a different way to deal with that issue.

    We just figured the blank screen was a metaphor for the state of the new coach search.

    Oh, I am relieved the Mavs said no. I want no part of Kidd. But it’s beginning to feel like the Giants’ offseason quarterback search, where first the Rams and then Aaron Rodgers saved them from their own stupidity. (I have no idea if their current approach will work out any better for them, obviously.) It’s more the fact that the team clearly fired Thibs without any succession plan in mind, and their current approach is total Dolan star-fuckery, along with the arrogant assumption that other teams will just let their coaches, who are under contract, leave for New York.

    The Knicks— Dolan, Rose, Wes or whoever— are very likely to hire an established coach with a track record. There are vanishingly few of those who are not already employed, so this is a potentially dangerous hire. We’re not out of Mark Jackson danger zone here.

    Any feelings about Sam Cassell? He has paid his dues as an assistant and seems well liked. Plus he’s a “name” in that he was a noteworthy player.

    Anyway, I didn’t post that as a gotcha as much as to point out that at the time of the trade, the assumption here (including hubert) was that iHart was gone.

    Good bc it wasn’t a gotcha. You’re showing quotes out of context and omitting relevant ones to… I don’t know what you’re trying to do… prove that I was excited to acquire Mikal Bridges? I’m guilty. I was very excited about the Nova Knicks. Largely bc I thought it meant we were going to play small ball lineups with Julius Randle and Jalen Brunson surrounded by three shooters.

    Obviously that never came to pass but Leon fucked up whether I was excited or not. This thing you do where you contend that a mistake isn’t a mistake if the someone on the blog liked it doesn’t make a lick of sense.

    James Edwards says we’re still “pursuing” Kidd (https://x.com/JLEdwardsIII/status/1932802323484717555), and can theoretically blow the Mavs away with a trade offer.

    Suffice to say I think that would be a terrible idea for reasons that are probably uncontroversial here, and more importantly I am very disconcerted about what appears to be a very haphazard process.

    I supported the Thibs firing and still do, but “hope other teams give us permission to poach the head coaches they are happy with” is not an inspiring Plan A. I would love to hear some rumors about us interviewing intriguing college coaches and/or NBA assistants and the like, but those rumors have not materialized!

    I’m not even wedded to that archetype and have said someone like Budenholzer, a retread who I think has demonstrated more creativity and flexibility than Thibs, would satisfy me. That might be the best case scenario at this point, since it seems like we have no interest in a genuine roll of the dice.

    So, I hope we wind up with Mike Budenholzer, I guess. That’s not a very inspiring place to find yourself when the possibilities are theoretically limitless, but here we are.

    The announcement that Hartenstein was likely moving on came right after the Bridges trade announcement. So 100% of all comments about going all in before the Bridges trade were made when it was possible (in fact we thought it was likely) that Hartenstein was coming back.

    I am once again going to preface this by saying the approach has worked shockingly well so far, but one has to be at least a little bit concerned that the decision making here is being done by people with very little background in the actual game of basketball. You have an agent, a nepo baby billionaire, and whatever the fuck World Wide Wes is trying to take this team from Very Good to Great.

    I don’t love their chances.

    From a cursory glance, Sam Cassell has been an assistant since 2009, which could either mean he’s sufficiently paid his dues or nobody thinks he’s HC material.

    Reputation-wise, his track record is in player development and in being a motivator. He seems to get credit for Jayson Tatum’s development over the past couple of years. Tactically, I haven’t found anything about him yet.

    He’s earned a shot at a head coaching position, at the very least. Interview him and see how he does. Maybe pair him with some boy genius offensive guru assistant out of the college ranks like they did with Taylor Jenkins.

    James Edwards says we’re still “pursuing” Kidd (https://xcancel.com/JLEdwardsIII/status/1932802323484717555), and can theoretically blow the Mavs away with a trade offer.

    Suffice to say I think that would be a terrible idea for reasons that are probably uncontroversial here, and more importantly I am very disconcerted about what appears to be a very haphazard process.

    Pursuing Kidd at all costs is just as worrisome to me, but here’s why I think it won’t happen: We already tampered with Dallas once to sign away Brunson, tampering again to get Kidd makes it personal. “Fool me twice… won’t get fooled again.” They’re not going to let us fuck them over the same way twice.

    I would take Mike Miller (remember him) except that he just got hired by Sacramento

    The Knicks’ good health leading up to and throughout the playoffs made me somewhat forget that Thibs was grinding our top 7 players unnecessarily. And although Thibs went deeper into his bench at some point during the playoffs, I don’t think you can assume that our legs were as fresh as Indy’s… I’m looking forward to a new approach

    He was the Knicks interim coach that lost out to Thibs when Thibs was hired.

    And although Thibs went deeper into his bench at some point during the playoffs, I don’t think you can assume that our legs were as fresh as Indy’s… I’m looking forward to a new approach

    Also, even if our legs were just as fresh as Indy’s, it put us at a tactical disadvantage because the starters playing so many minutes meant that other combinations of players had no playing time together. Whereas Indiana was prepared to execute any adjustment Carlisle made because everyone had played with everyone.

    The announcement that Hartenstein was likely moving on came right after the Bridges trade announcement. So 100% of all comments about going all in before the Bridges trade were made when it was possible (in fact we thought it was likely) that Hartenstein was coming back.

    That was a key development in why we are where we are and why I also brought it up yesterday. I like our team now a lot but we clearly have issues related to Brunson/Towns and depth.

    If you thought I-Hart was coming back, the team would be I-Hart, Randle, OG, Bridges and Brunson with J-Hart, Deuce & DDV on the bench and Mitch in the wings.

    That’s a REALLY good team. It made sense to try to close the deal on Bridges even if you had to overpay. You had a solid starting 5, very good bench, still had some ability to make a trade and some young players to develop.

    They had to know that someone would make an offer for I-Hart but they thought he would stay even if another team made a higher offer. But OKC’s offer so blew us out of the water he had to say yes and leave.

    That gave them the choice to either make a move on Towns or potentially sacrifice the season with Simms starting at C. They were always interested in Towns, but they relented and added DDV to make it happen. That’s why we are where we are.

    When they fired Thibs so quickly after the player meetings, I thought for sure they had a specific coach in mind. As much as I wanted to move on from Thibs, it doesn’t make sense unless you get a UPGRADE. Right now it feels like they have no idea who they want. If it is Kidd, I have very mixed feelings. His offenses have hardly been super creative.

    I’m very concerned/confused about this coaching search. I don’t understand why we’re seemingly so laser-focused on Kidd and why we don’t appear to be interested in any coaches who are actually available. This is starting to have the Dolan stink all over it.

    Kidd probably wants to coach here and is probably the source of some of these stories.

    Jason Kidd sweet talking the Knicks front office into giving up meaningful assets for him would be some classic vintage Knicksy. Might have to bust out my Frank Ntilikina jersey.

    maybe it is because the playoffs are not yet over and we cannot talk to everyone yet is there maybe an assistant coach on okc or indy that we might be interested in but cannot yet approach

    When they fired Thibs so quickly after the player meetings, I thought for sure they had a specific coach in mind.

    I think we all assumed they had a plan. But that was when we thought Leon made the decision. It looks increasingly likely that Mad Dog (and E, of course) knew what they were talking about.

    One side note of the whole thing is that Ian Begley loses a lot of credibility for insisting that Dolan was merely a spectator. I think someone here (Frank, maybe?) posited that Begley’s source may be Dolan himself. In hindsight, Begley looks like he was printing propaganda.

    one thing in our “favor” on kidd is that it is never a good idea to have an employee who does not want to work for you if kidd wants to leave it would not be good for them to have him coach their team he knows how to get out of places he does not want to be now it is just up to what we would give up for him this is not to say that i want him

    unless it gets us giannis then i want him

    This coaching search should be an exciting time for us Knicks fans, but instead I just have a feeling of dread.

    Prove me wrong Leon…

    The Kidd thing only make sense if it’s a play for Giannis. But I also wonder if Budholzer would have the same effect, since they won a ring together?

    But also, the Kidd angle is weird even if Dolan is meddling because Kidd kind of went behind our backs and got that Nets coaching job while he was still playing for us.

    Amazing player and maybe even a decent coach but he gives me the ick, as the kids like to say.

    Budenholzer or Malone are probably the ceiling here. Maybe Taylor Jenkins if one thinks he’s better.

    The floor is still very low.

    This is where Leon and WWW’s Friends and Family (TM) approach wherein they don’t really know the league — which means here the various assistants, CAA and non-CAA — really starts to hamper things. In fairness to him, Leon didn’t expect to be engaging in a coaching search right now but even so, he should have a detailed sense (via his subordinates, if necessary) of the best talent in the association at the perpetual ready. Even with that said, Dolan almost certainly isn’t going to let him hire a mere assistant. (Other than Rick Brunson, but that’s speculation.)

    we are holding out for jenny boucek it is probably not in our favor that anyone who comes here will have to keep rick brunson on as a semi-major voice new coaches typically like to bring in their own people

    That is class from Thibs. Buyout money well spent.

    Now go find a bikini model girlfriend.

    Any thoughts on Taylor Jenkins?

    I think Dolan wants sex appeal and Taylor Jenkins doesn’t qualify.

    Budenholzer or Malone are probably the ceiling here.

    Monty Williams is a CAA client, too.

    I miss Thibs already.

    It’s just too bad he wasn’t a bit more flexible with rotations and also with the offensive schemes. He’s like 95 percent of what you want in a head coach.

    Thibs will land somewhere good I bet.

    Taylor Jenkins seems like a perfectly competent head coach who had a pretty solid track record in Memphis. He had them on a roughly 50 win pace this year while also working in a couple of rookies. There was no superstar player carrying them to wins either. He got fired because he lost the locker room but he had been there for quite a while and sometimes those things happen.

    He’s a far better option than Jason Kidd, who brings drama with him everywhere he goes and always wears out his welcome with his unprofessionalism. Mavs fans save most of their ire for Nico, but Kidd is not a beloved figure there. He says dumb things to the media and never takes accountability for anything. Most Mavs fans would rather have a draft pick.

    it kinda seems like the plan was actually just to hire kidd, and that with kidd quite possibly on board, dallas would relent. the permission dance could be the mavs saying no but it might also be just negotiating. simultaneously asking permission on finch and udoka without knowing it would be a yes is pretty weird and maybe weird enough that it spanks of fake hustle to convince everyone you just have an incurable cuckolding fetish. “hey look at us absolutely not improperly conspiring with kidd while under contract but just spastically sliding into all the dms at once as if thibs released us for rumspringa and we can’t control our hormones.” it’s not a comforting story but it’s at least less slovenly than the straightforward tomfoolery painting our eyeballs at the moment.

    Thibs to do list:
    – wake up
    – wash up
    – eat
    – submit heartfelt message to the paper for knicks’ fans
    go find a bikini model girlfriend.

    sometimes it is okay not to be working…

    i would like a coach who will actually use kolek, huk, dadiet, and even mccullar to at least some degree

    I hope that bikini model girlfriend enjoys watching game tape.

    There’s this really endearing clip of Thibs being interviewed on Brunson and Hart’s podcast in which they ask him his summer plans. He explains that he has a beach house in Connecticut and may invite his nephew’s family out for a visit.

    Hart and Brunson both interrupt him with a mocking, sarcastic “WOOOO!”

    And he smiles and says, “I know, I know, not like you guys.”

    So I’m not sure he’ll be following in Fizdale’s and Spoelstra’s footsteps in that department 🙂

    The Mets just bought a reliever for cash considerations, stuck him into a high leverage situation in a major league game, and the dude was painting the corners with 98 MPH fastballs. Two batters faced, two strikeouts.

    What the hell is going on?

    Jenkins has had a recent good run of coaching a successful professional basketball team and, to the layman fan, didn’t do anything to deserve to be fired. Basically he’s just like Thibs.

    The Griz dropped into the playin, then got swept, so firing him to “salvage the season” or whatever had no positive or even tangible effect fwiw. The Griz roster isn’t great, so most likely all ended as it would have anyways.

    Why do you all assume Thibs is some kind of workaholic repressed hetero, when there has never been an ootc coach before for obvious reasons

    I think Memphis insisted Jenkins work w an offensive coordinator so that’s not a good sign.

    I wouldn’t call myself pro-Monty Williams but I recall being impressed with his work in Phoenix and can’t imagine Jason Kidd is so much better to be worth the baggage and the compensation.

    Why do you all assume Thibs is some kind of workaholic repressed hetero, when there has never been an ootc coach before for obvious reasons

    🤯

    I’d be fine with Monty Williams at this point, but why not Jerry Stackhouse? Former player now on Kerr’s staff and was SEC coach of the year in 2023… think he deserves a shot.

    Why do you all assume Thibs is some kind of workaholic repressed hetero, when there has never been an ootc coach before for obvious reasons

    And why are you pigeonholing Thibs as alloromantic? He’s an aro/ace king

    Hey guys – been lurking since the Page 2 days. Love the community and the insight – I badly miss Jim Cavan. I would read that dudes grocery list if he dared post it.

    Anyways, since poaching talent from other teams seems to be the Soup Du Jour, how about a name that hasn’t been mentioned yet. The team underwent a sale and their financials couldn’t possibly be a worse situation. The dude is unquestionably a better coach than Thibs (who I appreciate but was glad to see go) and is holding a position that wouldn’t preclude us from hiring outright.

    Brad Stevens.

    Leon isn’t going to bring in a guy who should (rightly) take his job eventually.

    The Mets just bought a reliever for cash considerations, stuck him into a high leverage situation in a major league game, and the dude was painting the corners with 98 MPH fastballs. Two batters faced, two strikeouts.

    What the hell is going on?

    Look, I’ve said Stearns is a genius and I am not kidding. I don’t know what system he has for evaluating these guys but I hope its proprietary so it remains all ours. This dude wasn’t in the Majors the past year and a half. Why any GM would cut a deal with him for a reliever is beyond me.

    Mike Brown is a very interesting possibility. Intuitively, I don’t hate it.

    Defensive guru that also coached a high-powered offense in Sacramento. The “Light the Beam” Kings had the league’s #1 offense and were #8 in net rating. That’s the profile we should be aiming at. And Sabonis is even worse on defense than Towns.

    Moreover, a defensive coach that got religion on adapting to your roster’s strengths is exactly what we needed from Thibs but never got.

    The Kings are a basket case franchise, and Brown’s not the primary culprit for why they suck again. If they had traded Fox instead of Haliburton he’d still have a job there.

    If you’re Leon and you have decided you don’t want Thibs to come back, it would be extremely shitty to keep him around while you surreptitiously search for his replacement.

    Why would Brad Stevens choose to stop being President of the Celtics to be head coach of the Knicks?

    You’re probably right Ess. The only counterpoint I can think of is that we’ve seen reported in the past that Leon likes having some dissenting voices around. Completely different thing than hiring your potential replacement but a boy can dream after all.

    Yeah, the one thing that I think people are overreacting about is the fact that we don’t have someone immediately hired to replace thibs. I’m reading a lot of “we did this without a plan” but I can’t ever remember a time when a team fired a coach and then immediately replaced them unless they promoted someone from within. Usually there is a process.

    It’s not like Leon could have a coach on retainer, telling them “we might fire thibs one day and when we do, you’ll get the job, wink wink.”

    It never works like that. Or rarely does, anyways.

    So saying “they don’t have a plan” just because they aren’t immediately annnouncing who the new coach is, doesn’t make sense to me. I think this is where I’m cool on the idea that this was some rash decision made solely by Dolan.

    If Monty was motivated, he’d be at the top of my list.

    +1.

    He *completely* phoned it in in his one year in DET but had basically already told the league he wanted a gap year or two and they offered him some crazy amount of money that he couldn’t turn down.

    If he’s refreshed and ready to go, then yeah absolutely. (Has a history with Mikal, too — which in this overall context might or might not be a good thing.)

    Why would Brad Stevens choose to stop being President of the Celtics to be head coach of the Knicks?

    100% farfetched on my part and it’s as realistic as nabbing Ime or Finch. But other than a hankering to coach again, I’m putting into the ether that he’ll be forced out by the new group so he may not have a choice. Still, reaching out isn’t as embarrassing as the other requests they’ve made.

    Short of him, I would like to think Jenkins (who’s a CAA client for what it’s worth) is worth the shot. A lot of the reporting seems to suggest that, short of going 82-0, the Memphis GM was hell-bent on firing him after saddling Jenkins with new assistants. The reason he lost the locker room (and Morant specifically) was because of the new system that prioritized a different approach but without an extension, he was a lame-duck/dead man walking anyways.

    we should be thanking our lucky stars that we did not do a quick hire from within and end up with rick brunson as our head coach

    My hope is if they really have someone in mind they basically say they will do it but Rick Brunson can’t be on the staff.

    Give Rick a PR job or something. I get he’s coached Jalen since he was a kid or whatever, but it’s not a good dynamic to have on the bench.

    I think people are overreacting about is the fact that we don’t have someone immediately hired to replace thibs.

    No one expected us to have someone hired immediately. But we haven’t even had formal conversations yet.

    This suggests either that Kidd is the real target and we plan to overpay Dallas for the privilege of hiring him or that we have no idea what to do.

    If we simply had a list of three candidates who have interviews scheduled that would be a relief.

    No one expected us to have someone hired immediately. But we haven’t even had formal conversations yet.

    This suggests either that Kidd is the real target and we plan to overpay Dallas for the privilege of hiring him or that we have no idea who we want.

    Yeah, this is where I’m at and I’m leaning towards Kidd being the real target. Why haven’t we had any discussions with candidates who are actually available right now?

    What gives me pause about Jenkins is there’s a major flaw in his wheel offense that’s never been addressed: the turnovers.

    The wheel is a thing of beauty. It uses zonal concepts from soccer to create a free-flowing, interlocking system where every player knows when to drive, shoot, reposition themselves, or make space for teammates to operate. The problem is that it distributes the ball so evenly that guys like Jake LaRavia and GG Jackson spend enough time on the ball to cough it up, and cough it up often.

    Memphis hired Tuomas Iisalo out of the Euroleague as an assistant because his offense with Paris Basketball was so P&R heavy. A counterbalance to Jenkins’ wheel… maybe even a hedge against the way Ja Morant resented how much the ball was out of his hands.

    Push came to shove, Jenkins got canned, and his wheel offense is still unproven in terms of sustainability. While I think Brunson would cause less of a fuss than Ja did about playing off-ball more, and is actually good at being an off-ball movement shooter, the wheel’s turnovers are still a question mark.

    I actually think the Stevens idea is very good. I doubt the Celtics would allow it, though

    Another thing that concerns me is that other than Larry Brown (who’s Detroit team is the outlier of all outliers) I can’t think of a coach in recent memory that was a multiple time retread that actually resulted in a championship.

    Doc had only been at Orlando up to that point. I think Malone was only with Sacramento, Vogel with the Pacers and Bud with the Hawks.

    Not suggesting that it CAN’T happen and maybe it’s just noise but damn if it doesn’t force me to give these dudes the side eye.

    Vogel coached the Pacers and Magic before LAL. Carlisle coached the Pacers and Pistons before Dallas. Does Pat Riley count with LAL and NYK?

    Goodness, a simple Google search would have put me at ease. Thanks Chicanery. I’ll go back to lurking lol

    Why do you all assume Thibs is some kind of workaholic repressed hetero, when there has never been an ootc coach before for obvious reasons

    The story is that when he was young he got jilted at the very last moment by a woman he was going to get married to and he took it really hard. Maybe he’s been trying to avoid feeling that kind of pain again, but if that’s the case, losing your dream job has probably been tougher on him that for the the typical coach getting fired.

    No, Strat. The story was that he called off the wedding at the last minute because he realized he cared too much about basketball to give her the attention she deserved from a husband.

    The wheel is a thing of beauty. It uses zonal concepts from soccer to create a free-flowing, interlocking system where every player knows when to drive, shoot, reposition themselves, or make space for teammates to operate. The problem is that it distributes the ball so evenly that guys like Jake LaRavia and GG Jackson spend enough time on the ball to cough it up, and cough it up often.

    I’m all in on Jenkins.

    This sounds like something new and interesting we could make work if Brunson signs off on actually passing the ball. 😉

    When his name was initially mentioned I was like why but the more I think about it the more I’m coming around on the idea of hiring Mike Brown.

    No, Strat. The story was that he called off the wedding at the last minute because he realized he cared too much about basketball to give her the attention she deserved from a husband.

    Is that right?

    I could swear I remember a former classmate saying he took it really hard. I also remeber he was dating two Debbies. At least he never mixed them up in a moment of passion. 😉

    Rit Holtzman
    @BenRitholtzNBA
    I’ll just say Brown and Stotts are the two former NBA coaches that have demonstrated real creativity in turbo-charging good NBA offenses, which, again, I believe to be job description #1 for this job.

    it is indeed possible to find yourself in a position where you have to make a decision about your own life that you wish you did not have to make and still take it really hard even though it is you making that decision

    CP “The Fanchise”
    @CPTheFanchise

    Couple quick Knicks offseason updates:

    🏀 – Coaching search – The process continues. Johnny Bryant remains a candidate and has fans in the organization.

    🏀 – Kevin Durant – Don’t expect the Knicks to make a play for a KD trade. Talks of a “deadline” offer to PHX = fake news.

    Am I the only one who doesn’t hate the Durant idea? I would never plan it out this way but given the corner Leon has painted himself into it’s not the worst idea.

    People here saying KAT but there’s no way it would be him. The whole point would be to assemble Jalen, KAT, and Durant.

    OG is the guy you’d want to keep but he’d probably have to go out to match salary. I’d rather keep Mitch but we’ll choose Hart.

    So you have the big three plus Bridges plus any random shooter on the vet min, with Deuce & Hart off the bench. Hell you might as well start Deuce since you’re giving up on defense anyway.

    Again, not my preferred cup of tea, but how does anyone stop that?

    KD is 38 years old! I know players have a longer career than before but that is so dangerously close to falling off a cliff territory or ,at the minimum, they might still be really good but not on defense and will most likely be injured territory.

    difficult to take anything that CP “The Fanchise” says seriously since he does not know how to spell johnnie bryant correctly and i am with cybersoze that i am crying about the extra d in add too great song geo love that entire sublime cd

    Durant is 36. Next year will be his age 37 season.

    I strongly suspect he will outperform OG Anunoby by a very wide margin for the next two seasons, maybe even the next three.

    great video 2 geo never seen that one before mitch rebounds that is about it except for what hart gets

    Again, not my preferred cup of tea, but how does anyone stop that?

    The bigger question would be how would that team stop anyone else? We already had a not great defense and any Durant trade that doesn’t involve KAT would gut our defense.

    I just tried an OG and Hart for Durant trade in the trade machine and it failed in about 80 different ways. Can anybody get one to work?

    I don’t hate OG for KD in the least.

    That said, keep in mind KD isn’t coming here without at least the 2/112 extension.

    Mikal’s the DDV of the Phoenix fanbase, even more, really; whether it can work or not, for Suns’ PR purposes, bringing Mikal back as part of the KD package would be a huge win.

    Durant is 36. Next year will be his age 37 season.

    Nah..both KD and LeBron gotta be in their 80’s

    Another reason why I’m kinda glad Kidd and Dallas said no just hit me. He basically runs the same type of offense as Thibs. I think the beauty of Cleveland’s offense was guys were moving and getting shots. Then when they needed a takeover, it became Spida time. All the more reason to give Johnnie Bryant a shot with a veteran staff.

    You need a 3rd team, JK, but only for a minimum.

    OG & Mitch works.
    OG & Hart works.
    I think Bridges & Hart & Mitch works

    Hate the idea of Durant (too old and annoying) and wonder why they fired coach without a legit better replacement all set. Seems stupid and scape goatish to me. How could the grass be greener if you don’t know whether there is even grass on that side?

    to make og and hart for kd work the suns would need to get below the second apron because if the got both guys they’d be getting overage and can’t aggregate anyone else out to meet the 100 pct match rule, even to a third team. technically there’s a world in which they could do this (get under the second) once they shed micic and martin but it would require a beal buyout.

    So in these scenarios, no other team would want KD, right? Because, otherwise, why would Phoenix accept one of those shit offers?

    The only Knicks trade that even stands a chance is a KAT trade because he can score and is friends with Booker.

    to make og and hart for kd work the suns would need to get below the second apron because if the got both guys they’d be getting overage and can’t aggregate anyone else out to meet the 100 pct match rule, even to a third team. technically there’s a world in which they could do this (get under the second) once they shed micic and martin but it would require a beal buyout.

    I was thinking Suns get OG, third team gets Hart, third team sends Suns someone who combined with OG makes less than KD.

    But I doubt we’d trade Hart anyway. Leon’s always wanted to trade Mitch.

    It would be OG & Mitch if we do it.

    It’s a shame we can’t do it with Bridges bc OG complements the other three so well and Bridges wants to play in the mid range space KD dominates so that doesn’t help

    Post July 1st, is this possible?

    KD @ $54.7m salary

    for

    Hart @ $19.5m
    Bridges @ $24.9m
    Achiuwa $10.3m (sign and trade with only $1M in guaranteed money)

    i’m starting to really doubt whether these are even sincere efforts to keep asking already employed coaches (quin synder being the latest) for the opportunity to interview – or maybe the reporting is all wrong…

    or, maybe something else is going on altogether different from what’s being “put out” there, that few know about…

    and why haven’t we asked about interviewing ty lue and spo…

    So in these scenarios, no other team would want KD, right? Because, otherwise, why would Phoenix accept one of those shit offers?

    Phoenix wants to trade KD. And unlike Giannis, KD gets to call his shot bc he’s in the last year of his deal and no one is trading for him unless he approves it.

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with not having a planned successor for Thibs, and with casting your net as wide as possible. It’s fine.

    But if we end up with Mike Woodson after this, I am not sure I could watch this team (I mean, yes, I would, because we are all sickos, but seriously).

    I absolutely hate the idea of giving compensation to hire a coach. Please no. We have few enough assets as it is. And we have just as good a chance of being good by promoting a good assistant coach.

    we are not going to end up with mike woodson maybe we are waiting to talk to lloyd pierce lead assistant for pacers who coached the hawks for a few years not that long ago

    If we have to hire an existing coach, why don’t we ask about J J Redick. He’s good and probably on the verge of being fired anyway.

    agree that i do not want to give up assets for a coach unless it also gets us giannis and not in a hope for kind of way but a guaranteed kind of way

    why would redick be on the verge of getting fired after one year especially when he did a more than decent job that makes no sense

    Re: above trade, – PJ Tucker has a team option for $3.5M. too. Add that to Achiuwa’s existing $6m and the trade works too.

    Suns just need to save money + they get 2 Nova boys in return for an old KD. Thats not a bad haul.

    If we got Durant I wouldn’t want Hart or Bridges but I don’t think we can build a trade around them. We’d probably have to give up OG & Mitch, and those are the last two guys I’d want to trade if we were getting Durant.

    These guys don’t go linearly, so who knows, but Durant seems to be in the significant decline phase of his career. He spent a decade or so putting up a BPM in the 7-10 range and the last 2 years he was 4 and 3.2, the only real way I’d want him is if you think we need to dump KAT’s salary and pivot in another direction or you think he’ll be good enough to get the Knicks to strong contender status next year. Until his legs go he’ll at least be able to shoot so he won’t be a zero but I wouldn’t want to give him another contract.

    why would redick be on the verge of getting fired after one year especially when he did a more than decent job that makes no sense

    I was being a little facetious because the Lakers have basically fired a coach every year when the team doesn’t do as well as management wants. It made no difference if the coach was good or not.

    Assembling a superteam involving 37 year old Kevin Durant in the second apron, weak link NBA era is very, very, very silly.

    I think the front office should request permission to speak to every decent head coach in the league – it puts those organizations on the record as standing behind their guy (or not!).

    Worrying about what these nothing-burger news stories suggest about the team’s strategy is a complete waste of time – y’all realize that right?

    I get the fear that Dolan will somehow push for dumb, regressive star-fucking type moves but we haven’t seen that AT ALL during the current administration. I imagine we’d be in on Durant if the price was right, so I hope the price isn’t right. Need to get younger and deeper if anything, not older and shallower.

    “The announcement that Hartenstein was likely moving on came right after the Bridges trade announcement. So 100% of all comments about going all in before the Bridges trade were made when it was possible (in fact we thought it was likely) that Hartenstein was coming back.”

    This is disingenuous. Twice in recent days, when DRed pointed out that you liked going all in via the Bridges trade, you copped out by saying that you felt that way under the assumption that iHart would be back. But the truth is that a) at the time of the Bridges trade, you knew full well that it was highly unlikely that iHart would be back, and that at best we were all hoping he was stupid enough to turn down tens of millions to stay in the glorious Big Apple because of dumb reasons like his wife’s modeling career. The posts that I quoted clearly demonstrate that YOU thought it was doubtful that iHart would be retained, but you liked the trade anyway! And you thought the price was a fair one (you actually proposed pretty much the exact trade a couple of days before it happened!)

    So when DRed brings up that you loved the deal at the time, why not just say “Yeah, I loved the Bridges deal at the time even considering the cost because of 5-out possibilities” without bringing iHart into it? Because, as usual, you do backflips trying to spin things to try to save face.

    I really think the Thunder are going to crush them. Especially if the refs help like they did on that foul on Chet giving him Fts. Crazy.

    Also crazy, how they force turnovers

    We should offer Spo an ownership stake under the table and finally get our revenge on Pat Riley.

    That’s my 1000 IQ take.

    A team that is above the First Apron cannot receive a sign-and-trade player, unless the transaction puts that team under the First Apron. Knicks cannot sign Achiuwa to a sign-and-trade and put him in a KD deal, unless Achiuwa was sent to a third team. Any team with cap space to take Achiuwa could just sign him, so there would have to be a sweetener.

    I did a little search on twitter and Bulls fans are FURIOUS the team didn’t let the Knicks talk to Billy

    you copped out by saying that you felt that way under the assumption that iHart would be back.

    The feeling among many people (including myself) was that I-Hart was a great fit, loved NY, loved his teammates, his wife would prefer living in a big city and therefore even if he got a premium offer, he would stay.

    After the fact, he hinted that he would have stayed for less money EXCEPT that OKC’s offer blew ours out of the water.

    No one saw that coming. We just knew OKC was interested and could offer more, but not that they would wildly overpay the amount that Bobby Marks and others were saying he was worth.

    No one was surprised they offered more.

    A lot of people (probably including Leon) were surprised at the amount.

    In fact, they offered so much, it may even be likely they made him a premium offer, at first he said “no”, so they blew us out of the water and gave him no choice.

    At this point Leon Rose should troll the entire NBA and ask every team permission to talk to their head coach.

    i’m starting to really doubt whether these are even sincere efforts to keep asking already employed coaches (quin synder being the latest) for the opportunity to interview – or maybe the reporting is all wrong…

    I think the Knicks are doing normal wide net due diligence that’s getting a lot of attention because many in the media hate the Knicks and want to put Dolan and the Knicks in a bad light. They also know this kind of Knicks reporting gets lots of clicks.

    It would not shock me if they’ve also talked to agents for several of the name coaches that are available in addition to seeing who might be available among the employed coaches. Then once they know who is possible, they’ll start doing interviews.

    At this point Leon Rose should troll the entire NBA and ask every team permission to talk to their head coach.

    I saw a funny post on X that said the Bucks called the Knicks and gave us permission to talk to Doc but we hung up.

    You need a 3rd team, JK, but only for a minimum.

    OG & Mitch works.
    OG & Hart works.
    I think Bridges & Hart & Mitch works

    IMO deals like this would be suicidal.

    If Vegas set the under/over at 45 I’d lean towards the under.

    There are lineups with Durant that would be accretive, but this is not the same Durant as a few years ago. He’s very likely to miss more than just the normal handful of games and he’s not a defender anymore.

    Maybe it’s impossible, but Towns for Durant makes some sense as the core pieces.

    You start Mitch with Durant, OG, Bridges and Brunson and move Hart to the bench. The offense is better, the defense is better and the depth is better. We can find another C if Huk is not ready.

    I really like Towns. IMO he’s getting a bum rap. IMO, the bigger issue is Brunson’s defense and his ball dominance/dribbling. Maybe we can fix the offense with a new coach. But I’m less bullish on fixing the defense by playing Mitch and Towns together except against certain matchups.

    Brunson is not going to get traded. So ultimately we may have to move on from Towns.

    Why do you all assume Thibs is some kind of workaholic repressed hetero, when there has never been an ootc coach before for obvious reasons

    Why do you assume that a bikini model has to be a woman?

    he passes a lot of hot potatoes to his teammates, rarely gives quick clean passes…

    still out there ballin’ in the finals though…

    I guess I never appreciated how good the Pacers defense is. They’re totally smothering OKC.

    I don’t understand why OKC has decided that iHart is not worth playing much vs Indiana.

    Also all the talk about how young and deep OKC is yet they look totally exhausted down the stretch tonight.

    Remember that time Mike Breen said “it’s Mathurin Madness!”? Filled my bucket.

    OKC is paying iHart 30m this season to play less than 20 mins per game in the Finals.

    OKC coach can’t play I-Hart more than 20 minutes a game?

    30 million for a guy spending half the game on the bench?

    Not only have the Pacers benefitted from refs but also terrible coaching on the other side. The 4th begged for a double big lineup with Hartenstein but Daug left a mediocre and weak looking Holmgren out there. A lot of playoffs games are won by having the right set of players out there and while the Pacers have succeeded, all of their opponents failed.

    I still fucking hate them and think they are a gimmicky team.

    Carlisle is also a much better coach than this OKC coach

    The OKC coach is making so many blunders

    Don’t think IHart’s minutes are the issue, OKC went total iso with J Dub and SGA down the stretch and meanwhile the Pacers were getting nothing but good looks on offense.

    Still think OkC prevails, but it’s probably gonna take 7 games.

    If OKC loses this series it will make the West look very over-rated with all the glazing it gets.

    Also you can’t forgot about the regular season, might need to shorten it. Almost 70 wins. Other 60 win teams lose in 2nd round.

    Don’t think IHart’s minutes are the issue,

    For the money OKC is giving him 20 minutes a night isn’t good enough. Especially with the way he gets talked about on this board like a savior.

    The IHart thing is so weird. Unless his Achilles is about to snap it makes no sense.

    the pacers haven’t lost 2 games in a row – since you started rooting for them…

    you are the secret sauce sir…

    if this trend continues, the pacers will be this season’s champion…

    Game 4 should be a lock for OKC because Hali will do his every other game disappearing act.

    Udoka, Finch, Kidd, and now Donovan, and even Snyder? Either Shams went crazy or, most likely, what the fuck is going on?

    Maybe they should also call Indiana amidst the NBA finals and ask if Rick Carlise is available?

    Either they have a diabolical plan, and they are trolling us all before they get what they want or they have no fucking idea what to do. Make your choice.

    They have no pressure right now, they’re the only team without a coach so if they want to pivot to one of the available guys they will still be on the board .

    OKC coach can’t play I-Hart more than 20 minutes a game?

    30 million for a guy spending half the game on the bench?

    OKC doesn’t care. iHart was always a luxury and they’ll likely cut him before the salary matters.

    IMO deals like this would be suicidal.

    If Vegas set the under/over at 45 I’d lean towards the under.

    There are lineups with Durant that would be accretive, but this is not the same Durant as a few years ago. He’s very likely to miss more than just the normal handful of games and he’s not a defender anymore.

    I’m sorry, Strat, but even a 37 y/o Kevin Durant is close to a lock to be 3X better than OG Anunoby or Mikal Bridges. There’s simply no way acquiring him makes us plummet to 45 wins.

    I remember watching a show where a couple wanted to move into a certain suburb. So the reality show real estate guy would just knock on the front door of a house and say “hey would you be willing to move for this price”

    Most of the time they said no, sometimes they said I’ll think about it, and occasionally people would actually say we were thinking about selling.

    So the point is, why not ask coaches from other teams? Kick the tyres, see what’s out there! What harm is in that?

    Seems like this search has got KB feeling like P&T, so many bad takes on “they don’t have a plan?!?!” : the plan is: Find the best coach for the situation and don’t be in a rush to make a decision, because otherwise you’ll make the wrong one. Not sure why that’s so difficult…

    Fuck the Pacers but also if they beat this Thunder team, this is a historically clutch team. They absolutely destroyed the Thunder in the 4th.

    If OKC loses this series it will make the West look very over-rated with all the glazing it gets.

    People totally forget that the reason the West was better than the East this season was because there were more bad teams in the East. Once you get past the first round of the playoffs that difference is irrelevant. It’s probably harder to win in a bracket with Boston, Cleveland and NY than a bracket with the Timberwolves, Nuggets and Warriors. It’s certainly not easier.

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