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  • Donte DiVincenzo ineligible for MIP despite 81 games played – ESPN
    [ESPN] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 23:59:00 GMT
    1. Donte DiVincenzo ineligible for MIP despite 81 games played
    2. Knicks’ Donte DiVincenzo ineligible for Most Improved Player under new criteria after missing only one game
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    [New York Post] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:38:00 GMT
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  • Team USA Olympic snubs, led by Knicks’ superstar Jalen Brunson – Posting and Toasting
    [Posting and Toasting] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 11:00:00 GMT
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  • Why OG Anunoby’s biggest impact for Knicks could be felt in playoffs – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Wed, 17 Apr 2024 01:00:00 GMT
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    5. OG Anunoby raving about Knicks organization is excellent sign for free agency


  • Kendrick Perkins slams Shaq, Charles Barkley over Knicks shade: ‘They don’t watch basketball’ – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 15:27:00 GMT
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  • Three key talking points entering the NBA Eastern Conference playoffs – Al Jazeera English
    [Al Jazeera English] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 16:35:18 GMT

    Three key talking points entering the NBA Eastern Conference playoffs


  • Why Knicks should be rooting for playoff matchup with Heat team that’s haunted them – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 17:02:00 GMT
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  • RJ Barrett’s comment about OG Anunoby proves Knicks-Raptors trade was right move – Daily Knicks
    [Daily Knicks] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 14:17:48 GMT
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  • Knicks Center Reveals Tom Thibodeaus 4-Word Reaction to His Viral Dancing Video – Heavy.com
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    Knicks Center Reveals Tom Thibodeaus 4-Word Reaction to His Viral Dancing Video


  • Knicks’ Miles McBride confident he’s ready for first true taste of NBA playoffs – New York Post
    [New York Post] – Tue, 16 Apr 2024 22:36:00 GMT

    Knicks’ Miles McBride confident he’s ready for first true taste of NBA playoffs

  • 172 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2024.04.17)”

    Knicks Game 1 Saturday at 6pm.

    We avoided the dreaded matinee. Things are looking good, fellas. Now we just need Philadelphia to win tonight. Would be a shame if they execute their annual playoff meltdown before they get to us.

    Very entertaining first game, ruined by Zion’s injury at the worst moment.

    Sweet (and easier than expected) revenge for the Kings in the second game, I’m bit sad watching Klay fall from a cliff and I’m eager to know what will the warriors do this summer.

    I wasn’t too happy when they announced it, but the play-in has been a rousing success and gave us some compelling games, definitively one of the best “innovations” of Silver’s Era.

    At the same time I still think there should set a “threshold” (like they did in the bubble) to limit unfairly risks for the 7th and 8th seeded teams and force the 9th/10th team to play harder in the last few weeks (apart Donovan’s crazyness 😀 ).

    The Bulls and the Hawks won a lot less than Phila and Miami (between 7 and 11 less wins*), they probably don’t deserve a chance, no matter how feeble, to get the 8th spot (especially in a winner-takes-all game).

    * The difference between the 2nd place Knicks and Phila/Miami is half the one between them and Chicago/Atlanta.

    “Z-Man – You are right. The results did matter, what I should have said is that winning the game had no benefit.”

    Again, this is very subjective and dubious. It is based on assumptions that Thibs and some posters here have voiced disagreement with, mainly that a) Indiana is a preferable opponent to either Miami or Philly, b) the potential benefit of an extra home game in the second round against MIL is outweighed by the potential loss in the first round, c) that the idea runs contrary to the MO of the team and the coach in being in position to make that decision in the first place.

    I mean, I got crucified for saying that it was no big deal to re-insert OG into a game where he aggravated his surgically repaired elbow by the same crowd that is defending Thibs here. I definitely have no skin in this game, other than to say that there is merit on both sides.

    “Also, I think there is a difference to not trying to win ant all costs and actively throwing a game.”
    Not really, especially since you could have made that decision before the game even started. I mean, what was the worst that could have happened if we lost? Ending up in 4th? Hey, that would have possibly meant playing Orlando, who I would have preferred over Indiana any top 8 seed. Was it worth risking injury to your starters to avoid an outside chance of playing the Celts in the second round?

    “But simply resting a couple of your best players when winning does not benefit you in any way is fine. In fact like you said it is very common.”

    It is. It is also common not to do so, as Chicago and Billy Donovan demonstrated.

    “Can you only not try when winning and losing has no effect or is it okay when winning simply has no benefit? I don’t see a moral difference.”

    It is really not in this team’s or this coach’s DNA to not try winning. There are a number of games where the “no benefit” hypothesis could have been employed. You are totally justified in asking the question. But you should also accept that the team is in this position and not in the play-in or 6th seed specifically because of that attitude. All year we’ve listened to the minutes police whine about Thibs playing guys 40+ minutes to grind out wins. He grinded out win #50 by playing DDV 50+ minutes. He’s going to need to grind out wins no matter who we play in the playoffs. It’s a mindset that doesn’t take a breather, like, ever…unless the game is truly meaningless, like at the end of last year.

    And if the goal was to avoid injury, whew! No one got injured! iHart and Mitch ran up against their minutes restrictions and didn’t play in OT. Everyone other than Randle is good to go in Game 1. So if that was your worry, then there’s no use belaboring the point.

    But that isn’t it, is it? It’s 100% about the seeding and opponent. At least admit to that. You were likely rooting for that DeRozan shot to go in, no? And again, that’s fine, but if that’s the case, don’t muddle things up with concerns about injuries that didn’t happen.

    I went to sleep around the start of the Warriors-Kings game, surprised to see it was so one sided. The subset of Warriors fans that hates Steve Kerr is going crazy on social media.

    The subset of Warriors fans that hates Steve Kerr is going crazy on social media.

    Because he played Klay too much?

    “The subset of Warriors fans that hates Steve Kerr is going crazy on social media.”

    Just wondering, are any of them named E or Reese?

    “I got crucified for saying that it was no big deal to re-insert OG into a game where he aggravated his surgically repaired elbow”

    Correction: to not immediately take him out.

    basically they are mad that he didn’t play the guys he didn’t play but they’ve been mad at kerr for like 5 years because they don’t win a title every year.

    Also, I think there is a difference to not trying to win ant all costs and actively throwing a game

    Ben, you are absolutely right about this, and it’s something the anti-minutes crowd has consistenly refused to grasp.

    We wouldn’t have been throwing the game if Thibs played Bojan and Deuce more than 17 and 14 minutes, respectively; and he definitely should have done that instead of playing Donte all 53.

    We should always be sane. Thibs rarely is.

    Even Zach Lowe on his podcast suggested Thibs went too far in this game, and he’s pretty reluctant to criticize coaches.

    I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize Thibs’ minutes allocations, so long as it is stipulated that the result of an alternative approach would almost certainly result in several less wins and a significantly lower place in the standings.

    I think it’s perfectly fine to criticize Thibs’ minutes allocations, so long as it is stipulated that the result of an alternative approach would almost certainly result in several less wins and a significantly lower place in the standings.

    …and some potential votes for DDV and iHart for MIP!

    …and some potential votes for DDV and iHart for MIP!

    I still can’t believe the nonsense that is disqualifying DDV — who played one of the highest minutes totals in the entire NBA this season — from awards consideration. It’s not that he would have won MIP or anything else, but it just speaks to how the new rules need some kind of common sense tweaking.

    (Another one that Zach Lowe suggested is that All-NBA third team should relax the games played requirements, because otherwise some/many of those slots will go to younger players who just stayed healthier, but aren’t necessarily among the best guys in the NBA — and, because of this quirk in the rules, could become eligible for supermax contracts that they shouldn’t get.)

    “…and some potential votes for DDV”

    He got screwed by the fine print of the games played requirement and is ineligible. It’s a disgrace.

    “This is nuts: DDV played 81 games this season, but is considered ineligible for postseason awards because 17 of those games don’t count. He wasn’t going to win Most Improved over Maxey or Sengun, but this illustrates how the new eligbility rules pretty badly need tweaking.”

    Agree completely that this is a disgrace. Can someone explain why those 17 games “don’t count” for DDV, though? Is it some sort of “minimum minutes played in a game for it to count” scenario?

    I like that idea, Alan, but that wouldn’t help DDV. At the end of the day, just trust the voters, and admonish them to consider missed games as demerits. The 65 game rule is fatally flawed, the last thing you want to do is have a valuable player risk injury chasing the many millions of dollars associated with marginally qualifying for post-season awards. Honestly, I don’t like the idea of awards being tied to salary in the first place.

    “Is it some sort of “minimum minutes played in a game for it to count” scenario?”

    It is. I think it’s minimum 20MPG, and DDV barely missed the cutoff. It’s easy to forget that before Randle went down, DDV only played over 30 minutes a couple of times, and often played less than 20.

    It is absurd that a player who logged 2300 minutes and played in 81 games in ineligible.

    Is it some sort of “minimum minutes played in a game for it to count” scenario?

    Yes, I can’t remember the exact rule but I think there’s a minutes threshold for a game to be considered “played”.

    I read in a tweet that DDV missed the cut for 19 seconds (he had 64 “correct” games and one where he played 19 seconds less than the threshold).

    Insane.

    Edit: for the same rule I-Hart can’t be voted for All-Defense.

    The minimum games played requirement is bs. Definitely when set so high at 65. There are probably some injuries that happened because players wanted to make sure they reach it, and played when they shouldn’t have.

    I’m very excited for tonight’s game,

    I think we’d be a bit underdogs against a full-healthy Sixers but Embiid’s not 100% and so our chances raise.

    On the other hand Miami is such a dirty team I’d rather avoid them, playoffs games are already emotionally intense, adding the fear of the Heat trying to maim our players could be be too much for my old heart.

    What’s the Hive preference?

    “What’s the Hive preference?”

    OMG, Max. You know what you’ve just done, don’t you? Buckle up!!! 🙂

    And yes, 2360 points over 81 games (29.1 minutes per game!) with 63 starts shouldn’t disqualify any player from anything!!! Maybe the threshold should be average minutes over 24 per game? Probably not. And: DDV was born in Newark, Delaware, the home of the University of Delaware (my alma mater!!!). Lastly:

    “Please note that a player is eligible for this award only if he meets the criteria set forth in the NBA/NBPA Collective Bargaining Agreement (‘CBA’). Specifically, a player must have played in at least (a) 65 Regular Season games, or (b) 62 Regular Season games, suffered a season-ending injury as determined in accordance with the CBA, and prior to suffering such injury had played in at least 85% of his team’s Regular Season games. A player is considered to have played in a Regular Season game for these purposes if he played at least 20 minutes of such game, provided that in respect of no more than two games per Regular Season, a player is considered to have played the game if he played at least 15 and fewer than 20 minutes. A player who failed to meet the games-played requirement may nonetheless be eligible for this award if he prevailed in a challenge to establish his eligibility pursuant to procedures set forth in the CBA.”

    What’s the Hive preference?

    I think we will beat both teams so don’t have a preference in that regard. But I do think Miami has a better chance of beating Boston than Philly, so I marginally prefer Philly.

    When setting cutoffs, the question should be asked: Is the person who is just below the cutoff any less worthy than the person who barely makes it? In the cases of DDV and iHart, the answer is a resounding NO!

    You could definitely encourage voters to consider how many times a given player was considered to be a “healthy scratch” in their voting. Or you can change the pool of voters so that such things are definitely considered. Or have an office that scrutinizes every game a player misses due to injury and make a judgment call on whether that will count against him or the team. There are many better solutions than the one that is in place right now. Silver has to address it.

    Players will start demanding the coach gives them 2-3 more minutes so their game qualifies. This is such nonsense.

    “A player who failed to meet the games-played requirement may nonetheless be eligible for this award if he prevailed in a challenge to establish his eligibility pursuant to procedures set forth in the CBA.”

    I’m almost certain no one will bother with this. It would be a bad look, even if totally warranted.

    The NBA knows it fucked up when Thibs couldn’t play his guy enough minutes.

    To some extent the limit makes sense for MVP and several other awards. It’s hilarious for Most Improved and 6th man (unless they remembered to exclude at least that one). But it’s not really about deserving the award, is it?

    If we let up the gas pedal in every game that posters thought “didn’t matter” this season, we would have lost like 5 or 6 more games and would be in the play-in.

    I get what people are saying about the last game. But I think it’s debatable if facing Miami or Philly in the first round is harder than facing Indiana. After all, Indiana HAS the better record than both those teams and in head to head match up’s, Indian beat us 3-1 this regular season. I think they were also 3-1 vs. Philly and 2-2 vs. Miami (or maybe it’s the other way around?).

    All I’m saying is it’s going to be hilarious if Indiana goes to the conference finals.

    The other thing is yeah, Thibs played starters a lot of minutes against Chicago. But they then have 6 days off. Why not push it to get the W, secure the 2 seed (and home court in the first two rounds), knowing the team would get rest afterwards?

    Philly is the Klay Thompson of NBA teams and we should not fear them

    I thought Indiana was a terrible matchup against the Knicks for so many reasons:
    – They struggled a lot to guard the Hali pick and roll all year.
    – Hali seems to be slowly overcoming his post-injury slump (if it’s a slump).
    – Their pace doesn’t help the Knicks play a short rotation, especially when so many key pieces are recovering from injury.

    Yes, they would probably score at will, but I think they would really really struggle to get stops.

    so long as it is stipulated that the result of an alternative approach would almost certainly result in several less wins and a significantly lower place in the standings.

    But that’s conjecture. “Faux certainty”, as ptmilo would say. And it’s this fantasy that is at the core of everything.

    No one knows we would have lost if Deuce played 24 minutes. Deuce is good, and he was having a very good game.

    When the 29 other NBA coaches give their players a rest during a game, they’re not doing it for load management. They believe that it gives them the best chance to win the current game if their players aren’t completely gassed in the 4Q.

    Donte shot 1 for 7 on jumpers in the second half. He was 9-12 in the first half. No one can sit here and say that exhausting Donte DiVincenzo is the reason we won this game. We probably would have had an easier time if we’d given him a rest and lest Deuce play.

    There’s a better argument to be made that we end up with less wins in the standings because of this approach.

    I read in a tweet that DDV missed the cut for 19 seconds (he had 64 “correct” games and one where he played 19 seconds less than the threshold).

    And there’s people complaining about Thibs playing his players too many minutes!?!? LOL

    Hubert do you not understand that a guy going 1-7 in any given stretch of an NBA game is likely not the result of whatever thing you want to be mad about? Maybe playing a sick McBride more minutes would have been better but I don’t think you can say Donte missing a couple jumpers in the 3rd quarter was due to exhaustion. He shot better in the 4th quarter and overtime than he did in the 3rd.

    Did you guys see the press conferences yesterday with Thibs laughing about his fake dancing viral video which Mitch showed him while Thibs is convinced Mitch created it.

    Players aon the Knicks may not love how hard Thibs is on them but its pretty clear they respect and even like him.

    It’s interesting the players can challenge award eligibility. I assume Donte doesn’t care about finishing like 3rd in MIP but I would imagine for the big awards it will come up

    But that’s conjecture. “Faux certainty”, as ptmilo would say. And it’s this fantasy that is at the core of everything.

    It’s also conjecture that Philly or Miami are going to be harder to beat than Indiana. It’s also conjecture that every injury, no matter how big or small, is the result of Thibs playing guys too many minutes.

    I don’t really have a strong preference about our first round opponent. I’m hoping that whoever it is, the reasons why they were 3-4 games below us in the standings are still a thing in the first round.

    I am hoping that the main difference between this year’s team and last year’s a) is our b-ball IQ, meaning that the things that worked last year against us won’t work as well, and b) mostly everyone plays to a level that at least approximates their regular season performance.

    As to starters, we’ve replaced Mitch, Julius, RJ and Grimes with iHart, OG, JHart, and DDV. That’s a more cohesive and mentally tougher lineup. Not a ton of high-stakes playoff experience, though. That worries me a bit.

    Our bench is Deuce, Mitch, Bojan, and either Precious or Burks. It wouldn’t surprise me if the latter two combine for 0-10 minutes, so it will be pretty much an 8-man rotation with very heavy minutes for Brunson, DDV and Josh. Not ideal, but it is what it is.

    Last year, we got negative performances from Julius, IQ, and Grimes. Obi played very limited minutes and his TS% was .533. RJ won us some games, but was erratic and killed us in game 6 vs. Miami. Mitch was a force vs. Cleveland but was completely neutralized in the Miami series.

    I also think that the Miami series was decided by our terrible 3pt shooting in our losses.
    Game 1, 7-34
    Game 3: 8-40
    Game 4: 9-28
    Game 6: 10-35
    That’s just not going to cut it. This first round series will come down to whether we make 3’s. In that sense, I probably prefer Philly with a compromised, say, 90% or below, Embiid (i.e. the version of Julius Randle that played us last year) to Miami. I think Spo will figure out how to defend the perimeter and will force us to beat them inside.

    But that’s where the high IQ play comes in. iHart can pass and score, DDV and OG can cut, JHart can do assorted “winner” things. Not having to deal with Lowry and Vincent will open things up a bit for us. And our defense should be significantly better.

    At the end of the day, we should be able to comfortably survive either series if we are legit contenders for the conference finals. If we aren’t, best to find that out now.

    He shot better in the 4th quarter and overtime than he did in the 3rd.

    And it’s also conjecture that McBride would have done better during that 1-7 stretch. Would he have even gotten 7 shots during that time? Maybe he does and he makes 2 or 3 more baskets but he turns the ball over one time and another possession he fouls a dude while shooting a 3 and that guy gets a 4 point play.

    HUGE conjecture.

    If Donte does challenge and manages to win the award (assuming I understand it correctly), we’ll finish the season $250K under the lux tax.

    As of now we’re $1M under the lux tax.

    oh damn I didn’t know Donte had money on the line, must be sickening to play for Thibs and miss out on a big check because you didn’t play enough minutes

    Hubert do you not understand that a guy going 1-7 in any given stretch of an NBA game is likely not the result of whatever thing you want to be mad about?

    I do, DRed. That’s why I don’t say stupid things like “Donte certainly wouldn’t have gone 1 for 7 if he had gotten some rest” or “we certainly would have lost more games if Thibs used his bench.”

    All I do is look at what 29 other teams are doing and wonder why if this is such a major advantage no else follows suit. Don’t they want to win more games, too?

    I said it the other day, I prefer Philly because I think there’s a slight possibility Knicks could have a relatively easy series vs Philly and beat them in 5 games like they did Cleveland last year. A series against Miami is guaranteed to be a grueling 6 or 7 game series.

    It’s hilarious for Most Improved

    The nature of the award runs completely counter to a minutes limit. The idea of “improving” means you maybe weren’t very good (as in maybe you aren’t a starter or don’t get maximum minutes from your coach) and wound up becoming much better (receiving 30-plus minutes a game like Donte did).

    And yet, I still could care less.

    I do, DRed. That’s why I don’t say stupid things like “Donte certainly wouldn’t have gone 1 for 7 if he had gotten some rest” or “we certainly would have lost more games if Thibs used his bench.”

    All I do is look at what 29 other teams are doing and wonder why if this is such a major advantage no else follows suit.

    I don’t think it’s a major advantage and other teams sometimes play guys big minutes.

    Thibs with the 3D chess move benching Donte for 9 seconds to lower our salary cap next season

    It’s also conjecture that every injury, no matter how big or small, is the result of Thibs playing guys too many minutes.

    It’s also conjecture to say where there’s smoke there’s fire, but it’s pretty likely to be true based on everything we know about smoke & fire.

    We have a lot of guys playing too many minutes. A lot of those guys got injured multiple times. There’s enough evidence and correlation to suggest we’d be wise to tone it down, and there’s no evidence at all indicating we win more because of it.

    We have a lot of guys playing too many minutes.

    Except we don’t. Our best player, who is literally a top 5 player now, is 14th in total minutes for the season.

    I went to sleep around the start of the Warriors-Kings game, surprised to see it was so one sided. The subset of Warriors fans that hates Steve Kerr is going crazy on social media.

    i don’t hate kerr, but it really seemed like looney and moody should have played more last night. klay bageled, yes, but also wiggins just hasn’t been a good player for a minute now (and also most of the minutes aside from 21-22 playoff run). not sure how long looney could have gone, but he looked as effective as ever against sabonis and actually seemedto stabilize the warriors on offense. watching the dubs run some of their motion sets with too many guys who are just not good at making decisions is like watching ryan leaf run the wildcat. wouldn’t have mattered last night, though.

    story of that game may have been keon ellis. he was such a huge pita on defense — honestly think he disrupted gsw more than draymond disrupted sacto — he played like prime patbev but taller. kinda made me smile watching it and remembering jalen dropping 35 on them a few weeks ago including laying the medusa freeze on ellis on the game winning drive. it’s amazing they drafted a lottery tweener guard with such an elite defensive rep it came with a nickname then immediately pick up the same prototype as an undrafted fa who is immediately far better in pretty much every way.

    warriors are in a weird spot this offseason.

    watching the dubs run some of their motion sets with too many guys who are just not good at making decisions is like watching ryan leaf run the wildcat.

    LOL

    I will stipulate that any time a poster says “if Thibs had done X, there would have been a different outcome” is impossible to definitively prove, and therefore involves a modicum of conjecture. The question is, how much? I would expect that there is a positive correlation between the amount of minutes played by our best players and the probability of winning a given game.

    DDVs BPM is 3.4. Deuce’s is -0.1. That is a fact. It is also a fact that the Knicks were 8-4 in games where DDV played 40+ minutes, which is a 55 win pace. His TS% in games where he played 40+ minutes is .630, and is .638 in April when he averaged 40mpg in 8 games, and we went 6-2 in those games. Facts reduce the “conjecture” element, but can’t eliminate it because we have no way to test the proposition. But in this case, the facts definitlvely point towards more wins, not less. If someone wants to support the case that it was actually counterproductive to winning, at least back it up with numbers.

    For example, has anyone conducted a study of the point at which “fatigue” due to “overuse” causes the yawning gap in BPM between DDV and Deuce to cross over so that it increases the odds of winning to have Deuce in the game vs. DDV? In the absence of that, forgive me if I trust Thibs in making that decision rather than someone who has not done any research on the matter and is engaging in “pure” conjecture.

    The Warriors fans on social media who hate Kerr are sort of all like E and Hubert – where any negative outcome is Kerr’s fault – except Kerr just coached a team that won 4 titles in the last decade.

    if i had known that just writing faux certainty would make you guys start calibrating your claptrap i would have dropped some even more annoying shit years ago

    And it’s also conjecture that McBride would have done better during that 1-7 stretch.

    Literally no one said that.

    I was responding to Bernie Ernie, who said “an alternative approach would almost certainly result in several less wins and a significantly lower place in the standings” by mentioning that Deuce McBride is good at basketball so it’s unwise to declare with certainty that we would have lost if he’d played 21 minutes instead of 14.

    No one is sitting here saying “Deuce would have gone 3 for 3 in those 7 minutes” or “Donte would have hit all his 4Q shots if he’d gotten rest.”

    That’s just you and DRed building another straw man.

    The nature of the award runs completely counter to a minutes limit. The idea of “improving” means you maybe weren’t very good (as in maybe you aren’t a starter or don’t get maximum minutes from your coach) and wound up becoming much better (receiving 30-plus minutes a game like Donte did).

    +1000

    The minutes rule makes much more sense for MVP than MIP

    “I don’t think it’s a major advantage and other teams sometimes play guys big minutes.”

    Every starter on the Bulls played 38+ minutes in the most meaningless game imaginable for them, including one that was nursing an injury and tweaked it during the game.

    After a 2-month absence due to knee surgery, Joel Embiid played 29 and then 32 minutes in consecutive games. He then played 36 minutes vs. DET, and 32 minutes vs. ORL, limping off and then returning.

    Yeah, if you’re not playing because you haven’t been good and then you start improving and playing more you should be eligible for the MIP

    he played like prime patbev but taller. kinda made me smile watching it and remembering jalen dropping 35 on them a few weeks ago including laying the medusa freeze on ellis on the game winning drive.

    ha, medusa freeze – I like that one…

    look at you milo, in pure post-season form already 😍

    I guess in the first year of the 65 game requirement there were always going to be flaws revealed, but it seems like the NBA could’ve avoided this particular stupidity by simply looking at the lists of guys who have won MIP, made all-defense, etc. and realizing these thresholds would bar a lot of past winners.

    I don’t think Donte would win MIP, but it’s still a shame he’s not even eligible and I actually think his case is pretty compelling. iHart really may have been cheated out of an all-defense nod though.

    I was responding to Bernie Ernie, who said “

    For the record (since I am too lazy to use the quote function) I was quoting Z-man…

    Every starter on the Bulls played 38+ minutes in the most meaningless game imaginable for them, including one that was nursing an injury and tweaked it during the game.

    That’s the funniest aspect of this conversation: last year Thibs, in a similar situation, DID rest his starters. With nothing to play for, he did what Ben advocated: played to win, but not with his most valuable players on the court. So obviously he thought this game mattered, and we’ll see whether that turns out to be true, in draw or in HCA.

    Literally no one said that.

    You didn’t have to say it. You implied it.

    The NBA knows it fucked up when Thibs couldn’t play his guy enough minutes.

    A new Gold Standard in posting and philosophy, in a sense…

    Donte should challenge his ineligibility just so that he gets talked about more as MIP. He should have been in the conversation more than he is.

    The Warriors could at least theoretically retool decently, provided they get some luck in terms of what opportunities present themselves. Getting back to genuine contention is a long shot, but they’re not terribly far off from rejoining the 50+ wins club, of which the New York Knicks are a member. They have some good young players, matching salary for a big trade, and aren’t in total draft hell.

    One question is how cold-hearted they’re willing to be Klay. I think he’s still a valuable player, but if we’re solely projecting forward he seems destined to be an overpay, and maybe a big one.

    The other option is to go totally nuclear and entertain Steph trades. One way or the other, they need to make massive changes.

    NBA investigation found that prior to March 20 game, Porter disclosed confidential information about his health to an NBA bettor. Another person connected to Porter placed an $80K parlay to win $1.1 million wagering Porter would underperform. The bet ultimately was frozen. https://t.co/d2CFaJ9vR0— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) April 17, 2024

    One uncomfortable thing the NBA might prefer to avoid looking into is whether he ever told his brother, who he’s close with by all indications, about any of this.

    The postseason schedule is very forgiving this year and would be extremely beneficial to Joel Embiid. They get two days off if they win tonight. Then there’s two days off after game 2. Then there’s two days off after game 3. That’s a lot of time off!

    The Warriors fans on social media who hate Kerr are sort of all like E and Hubert – where any negative outcome is Kerr’s fault – except Kerr just coached a team that won 4 titles in the last decade.

    He’s really kind of hard to fault as a coach over the long term even though he did coach 4 hall of famers at once. He gets all the credit for designing the perfect offense for his personnel grouping and convincing them to play top defense at the same time.

    One can criticize him for not reigning in Draymond earlier in his career (his nut shot probably cost them one ring and getting himself suspended this season put too much pressure on an older Curry). Of course, one might argue Draymond is so bat shit insane that Kerr did a good job holding his Krakatoa eruptions to a minimum…

    The Warriors fans on social media who hate Kerr are sort of all like E and Hubert – where any negative outcome is Kerr’s fault – except Kerr just coached a team that won 4 titles in the last decade.

    Quite the contrast indeed with Thibs’s 31-41 playoff record.

    (NOTE: This was a solicited comment. I’m the one eating the dangled perch off the hook here (while admittedly ensuring that I don’t get hooked.))

    porter played way less than 65 games no way is he eligible to be banned.

    if i’m adam silver i seriously consider not wax poetic in the press release about how i would do anything for love without at least mentioning but i won’t don’t that ie miss out on every last penny of gambling revenue by keeping even a minimal distance from the peddlers

    Kudos to Silver and the NBA. Just like with David Sterling with his remarks, give the hammer blow for things that have to have zero tolerance. And unlike Stern, don’t persuade him to take up baseball.

    Feel sorry for him as gambling is an illness, but he chose the wrong profession.

    Rooting for Philly to win, and for Dirty Bam to beat up Embiid. Not ruin his career but keep him out of the series against the Knicks.😉😉😉

    One question is how cold-hearted they’re willing to be Klay. I think he’s still a valuable player, but if we’re solely projecting forward he seems destined to be an overpay, and maybe a big one.

    The other option is to go totally nuclear and entertain Steph trades.

    They should do both. Retooling to give Steph a shot at 50 wins and the second round seems foolish. I get that fans would be super sad but that’s the kind of cold blooded move a good GM makes.

    And it’s not like you can’t work with Steph to get him to a team he wants to go to. And then you sign him for a one year deal a few years from now so he can retire a warrior.

    Klay would be tougher though.

    I have to say I’d actually slightly prefer to play Miami. In spite of Spo, Heat culture etc I think they’re an inferior team to a somewhat healthy Embid-led Philly team. But I also think the psychological benefit of getting over the hump vs them would be huge for belief. And I think k the Sixers will push the Celtics harder too.

    The postseason schedule is very forgiving this year

    Hopefully it’s forgiving enough for DDV not to get too tired.

    One question is how cold-hearted they’re willing to be Klay. I think he’s still a valuable player, but if we’re solely projecting forward he seems destined to be an overpay, and maybe a big one.

    The other option is to go totally nuclear and entertain Steph trades. One way or the other, they need to make massive changes.

    Cold hearted? These guys are billionaire tech guys, they are the definition of cold hearted, especially when it comes to cash flow.

    I think they paid 268 million in tax this season, to not make the playoffs. The can’t justify paying Klay any serious salary.

    They should look at their few good old players (Curry and Draymond) as rapidly depreciating assets and call SA or LAL or Hou or OKC and ask how many picks will you give for Steph. Then I’d call Philly and ask how do you think Draymond would look next to Embiid and Maxey and go from there.

    I kind of agree with English_Knick, playing Miami might be better for us. They are just not as good this year as last, and, unlike Philadelphia, injuries don’t have much to do with it.

    They should look at their few good old players (Curry and Draymond) as rapidly depreciating assets and call SA or LAL or Hou or OKC and ask how many picks will you give for Steph. Then I’d call Philly and ask how do you think Draymond would look next to Embiid and Maxey and go from there.

    Tough to trade Steph Curry as he raises the overall value of the Warriors franchise as a whole in ways far beyond his salary. Breaking their historic triplet will definitely hurt that value but the Warriors are in a tough spot; it is possible they trade Klay Thomson because of his decline as a player, and/or Draymond Green mainly because of his behavior, but I don’t think they do the same with Stephen Curry, at least this year.

    Unless he asks for a trade, Curry will retire having only played for one team. There are certain situations where you have to accept that you are going down with the ship. And when the most successful player in the history of your franchise(*) wants to stay for as long as possible, you let him.

    We can argue about how Wilt’s tenure with the Warriors compares to Steph’s career, but one guy won four championships as a superstar on the team, and the other guy had to go elsewhere to win both of his titles.

    Steph is still really good and is the best player in franchise history, the Warriors aren’t trading him.

    Draymond missed 21 games for non-basketball reasons this season and they lost in the play-in. Klay is not useless but is not a guy you can give 30 minutes a game to anymore. Those are some tough questions.

    The Warriors were a dead team walking all year. They had a hard time closing out games, they were sloppy all year, they are aging rapidly, their 2nd best player got suspended indefinitely, and Wiggins, after taking half the season off last year for “personal reasons”, looked like he he may have hurt himself by rushing back.

    In many ways they are the anti-2024Knicks. Spoiled, self-destructive, and still full from their successful years.

    Incredibly it’s looking like it’s worked out for the best that we had the 3rd pick in the Zion draft. What a bummer that guy can’t stay healthy.

    It’s sad that Jontay Porter was banned from the NBA before I’d even heard of him. (Where can I place a bet that he gets reinstated one day?)

    “We’re not stressed about, we want this matchup, we want that matchup. We don’t duck any smoke and we just want to play whoever we play.”

    – Donte DiVincenzo

    that’s right big ragu

    Unless he asks for a trade, Curry will retire having only played for one team. There are certain situations where you have to accept that you are going down with the ship. And when the most successful player in the history of your franchise(*) wants to stay for as long as possible, you let him.

    While this might happen, I have to believe the fellows smart enough to make enough money to buy the GSW franchise are objective businessmen.

    The have one asset of real value and in 3-4 years it will be worth very close to zero. They have no path to be successful moving forward, unless you call eeking into the playoffs and getting smacked in the first round. Steph is 36. He played more minutes this season than on any season since 2016-17. That likely isn’t happening again. Look at CP3 for a comp as he ages.

    Not selling when he still has terrific value over the short term will set them back a decade.

    I’m pretty sure we’re heading towards Dennis Smith Jr as our backup PG next year but who knows maybe we get Chris Paul on a ring chasing deal to back up Brunson.

    Jesus Hubie, sometimes your posts are way more depressing than even Pags.

    The Warriors are exactly where Boston was before the Nets bailed them out. It’s crazy Ainge was able to turn a position this bad into into Marcus Smart, Jayson Tatum, and Jaylen Brown. If the Warriors can find someone as dumb as the Nets, they’ll do it.

    I’m not worried about Jontay. I assume he’ll be eligible to play in Italy, Australia, or somewhere else gorgeous and still receive a hefty salary. He was always going to be a fringe rotation player in the NBA anyway. Now he can be “the guy” for some international team.

    I did not follow the Warriors at all this year. I think I watched only one of the games when they played the Knicks.

    How was CP3 as a back up PG? Obviously he’s not going to be CP3 from 10 or even 3 years ago, but as a back up PG was he decent?

    Hahaha. Dennis Smith is ok now, Raven. And Thibs loves him. Did you hear him rave about him after the last Nets game?

    I’d be fine with him as the backup and then draft my boy Tyler Kolek for 3rd string/grooming.

    Everytime Joe Lacob gets near a microphone he says he’s not blowing up the team. They tried to trade for Lebron at the deadline.

    We can argue about how Wilt’s tenure with the Warriors compares to Steph’s career, but one guy won four championships as a superstar on the team, and the other guy had to go elsewhere to win both of his titles.

    Not much to argue about as Wilt played most of his Warrior career with Tom Gola, Guy Rodgers, Tom Meschery and Paul Arizin, Not Prime Klay, Durant and Draymond. He also played against a pretty good TEAM his entire career called the Celtics.

    One thing I’ll say about the Warriors is that Bob Myers timed his exit well.

    Everytime Joe Lacob gets near a microphone he says he’s not blowing up the team. They tried to trade for Lebron at the deadline.

    I’m guessing this is most of the reason Bob Meyers resigned as GM… He understood what should be done and either didn’t want to do it or wasn’t allowed.

    I just don’t see how you won’t try to make chicken salad from chicken poop…

    Rick Barry carried a garbage Warrior team to a chip and was a very good player as a Warrior.

    I don’t see that formerly cool, now foofy/toff, market paying SF dollars to see a rebuild.

    IMO the 76ers are clearly the better team, but that’s offset by the fact that Embiid is an injury risk and SPO will unquestionably come up with a game plan that neutralizes some of our strengths. It’s not clear to me who we’d be better off playing.

    Financially I’d prefer the 76ers. I have a bet on them from the start of the season at a very good price to win it all. I have nothing on Miami. If we play the 76ers and beat them, I’ll be emotionally happy. It will be worth the cost of a bet. If we lose, it may open some more betting opportunities to hedge that bet.

    SPO will unquestionably come up with a game plan that neutralizes some of our strengths

    Spo’s whole game plan last year against us was “let them shoot” and it worked because we had exactly one shooter on the floor most of the time. Donte and OG address that problem now.

    It was the same against Boston, too (that’s why Marcus Smart and Robert Williams aren’t there any more).

    The whole zone thing might be his only move.

    @krispursiainen
    Multiple sources say that Knicks F Bojan Bogdanovic visited with doctors today and had his left wrist scoped.

    Per team reports, Bogdanovic has been dealing with a sprained wrist for weeks.

    Bogdanovic had right wrist surgery in May ‘20 after months of discomfort.

    Who the fuck is Kris Pursiainen?

    He’s a Knicks Film School guy who also covers the team for the Fordham radio station. He seems to have some actual sources within the team, based on some past things he’s gotten right before it happened. No major scoops, but I don’t think he’s pulling this out of thin air.

    Per team reports, Bogdanovic has been dealing with a sprained wrist for weeks.

    Probably from all those heavy minutes Thibs has been playing him.

    Thanks, Alan. My hope is that he’s being fed inaccurate or miscommunicated information, particularly the use of the word “scoped”. It would seem odd that this kind of information about a player actually having a surgical procedure on the eve of the playoffs would leak out without a single person in the know confirming it or the team reporting it.

    Yeah, he hasn’t gotten everything right. So hopefully this is one of those situations, especially since we aren’t hearing that from any of the veteran beat writers.

    I think he’s using the word “scoped” literally, as in “looked at,” which I wouldn’t say is a major cause for concern. Might as well get in some appointments while we have a bit of a break. Of course, it would be vastly preferable if there was nothing to look at…

    It’s also possible that he had a cortisone shot or something like that. Or that he had a colonoscopy by someone named Dr. Rist. In any case, I hope it’s nothing serious because we definitely don’t want to resurrect Alec Burks or whatever his name is.

    The Mets will eventually get some quality reinforcements pretty soon too: JD Martinez, Christian Scott, and then hopefully Kodai Senga.

    if you’re a reporter and you select the word scoped in that tweet to mean looked at you are in need of execution

    “if you’re a reporter and you select the word scoped in that tweet to mean looked at you are in need of execution”

    I’m wondering what you mean by execution…

    dad joke highlighter. That is pretty good.

    This is going to be a long three days

    @krispursiainen
    Sources: Knicks F Bojan Bogdanovic is going to give the left wrist a go for the 2024 NBA Playoffs and is not expected to miss time because of today’s wrist arthroscopy.

    In short: he’ll test it out and see. No significant surgery for now.

    feel like this isn’t the best reporting

    This procedure isn’t remotely a nothingburger, and raises the question of why it wasn’t done weeks ago rather than on the eve of the playoffs. The primary purpose is a look-see into the joint.

    This team needs Bogie in the playoffs. I fear this means more hustlebunny and elbow grease and cod liver oil.

    Rick Barry carried a garbage Warrior team to a chip and was a very good player as a Warrior.

    That ‘garbage’ team as you called it had 2 legit HOF forwards, two menacing shot blocking plus rebounding centers and a rookie guard named Phil Smith that was 7th in MVP voting in his second year, a 3 time all star PF and another 3 time all star coming off the bench.

    You never saw them play a single game, did you.

    nice point hubie on the zone thing not working so well against us anymore…

    it’s nice to see us be able to adjust to it now…isaiah at the top of the key seems super helpful to finding open shooters…

    You never saw them play a single game, did you.

    I’ll have you know that I did. Little too young for the championship year but a bunch the two years after that. Not only did I see them play them then, I’ve watched them again recently on YouTube.

    I actually on a school night took a nap and set an alarm to get up for an 11:30 Eastern start for Pistons at Warriors Game 1 1977 miniseries (Pistons won) and did the same for a bunch of games in the Warriors/Lakers ECF a week or two later. They eliminated the Pistons in a Friday night Game 6 in Detroit on CBS in 1976 and then in the miniseries in 1977 (Sunday afternoon in Oakland). Significant fights in both games, second one cleared the benches.

    (Brief allusion to it in Kings of the Garden, but the ’77 team got ransacked in the first year of free agency — Silk to the Lakers, Gus Williams to the Sonics. Gus wasn’t on the championship team. They were probably better the year after the championship but whiffed to the Suns in a Game 7 in the WCF in Oakland.)

    so, is it just me that thinks jalen brunson did enough this season to be even more most improved player worthy than our very own donte?

    Kind of wary on this Bogey stuff until we hear something from one of the big dogs. I’ve met Kris, nice guy and I’m sure he has the best of intentions. Just strikes me as a bit odd that he would get a major scoop well before anyone else.

    <blockquote>so, is it just me that thinks jalen brunson did enough this season to be even more most improved player worthy than our very own donte?

    You know what’s absolutely crazy? Brunson had a solid case for MIP last year as well. He has pretty much steadily improved from his first game here to the end of this season. He might be a night in, night out 30 PPG at this point.

    He is the best offensive player the Knicks have had in my lifetime, and it’s possible he might even get a little better!

    Bogey had been questionable a few times recently with a sprained left wrist, this isn’t coming out of nowhere. The fact that he’s actually been playing well the past few games and shooting without hesitation makes me think this is nothing to really worry about.

    My social media feed is hilariously up in arms about Caitlin Clark not making as much money as LeBron James for doing “the same job”.

    Spo’s whole game plan last year against us was “let them shoot” and it worked because we had exactly one shooter on the floor most of the time.

    With Randle out we are a one headed monster. I’m expecting his game plan to be geared towards making it really tough on Brunson and letting guys like DDV, OG, and J-Hart show they can step it up consistently. We’ll see or maybe not.

    My social media feed is hilariously up in arms about Caitlin Clark not making as much money as LeBron James for doing “the same job”.

    I’m not even sure what think about things like this anymore. I know there’s a level of idealism and desire for change in things like this, but they are either badly miseducated or delusional about the real world we live in and basic business/economics.

    The “funny” thing about it is that Lebron James is actually significantly underpaid. His salary is artificially constrained.

    The “funny” thing about it is that Lebron James is actually significantly underpaid. His salary is artificially constrained.

    Is he? This was certainly so during his prime but I would think Bron’s max is so high as a 20y veteran, and his skills have declined enough, that it’d be possible to pay him his FMV under the current CBA. What is he worth if there’s no max? 50m?

    I’m expecting his game plan to be geared towards making it really tough on Brunson and letting guys like DDV, OG, and J-Hart show they can step it up consistently.

    If anything’s gonna kill Brunson it will be someone figuring out how to go at him relentlessly on defense. I feel like he’s avoided that so far but eventually it’s coming.

    Evan Sidery
    @esidery

    The Caitlin Clark effect in Indianapolis:

    Courtside tickets to her Fever debut cost double compared to Pacers playoff tickets, per
    @gametime

    Fever courtside seats = $2,453
    Pacers courtside seats = $1,220

    Clark is becoming one of the biggest draws in sports.

    I did some bad maths but pretty sure my decimals were all over the place so now it’s gone. I THINK what I found out was that if percent of league revenue (~10.5 bil vs. 190 mil) is a marker, which is arguable, Caitlin makes about a third of what she should when compared to Victor Wembanyama, who’s the player she should be compared to.

    Someone else can check the math if they want. I make no guarantees, except that I’m bad at math.

    and, it’s a beautiful thing to see…she’s going to help the women’s league a tremendous amount…

    can’t wait to see what’s next in women’s professional sports leagues…very cool…

    The other thing that is giving me pause on the Bojan news is that we are now four hours out and there isn’t a single speck of corroboration.

    In a recent game, Bojan took a header and landed on his wrist, so it doesn’t surprise me that he’s having it looked at. But surgery? Isn’t it sort of mandatory that teams report that stuff to the league on the day that it happens? And would guys like Katz, Bondy, and Begley not be all over that news and probing their sources?

    Anyone know why the Sixers took a full timeout with a 2-0 lead and less than 2 minutes gone by in the game? Was it maybe to scope Embiid? :-S

    Mostly kidding. He came back into the game after the timeout.

    Scintillating contest in Philly with teams shooting a combined 3-14 so far…

    It would be fine with me if both of those teams playing right now suddenly sucked.

    They’re giving out free blue tshirts on every seat so it’s really clear how many are empty

    Miami seems able to get the ball inbounds. Why can’t we?

    They said during pregame Embiid is between 70 and 80% healthy. Knicks should just cover him one on one don’t double and leave open shooters.

    Fever courtside seats = $2,453
    Pacers courtside seats = $1,220

    That’s amazing.

    I don’t know enough about women’s basketball to know how she’ll do at the pro level, but I watched a couple of games just to see her. I never watch any women’s basketball. If she can be a dynamic scorer at the pro level, she has a chance to change women’s basketball and put it on the map. They’ll all benefit.

    LeBron only made $4mil as a rookie. It’s not absurd to say Clark should command that much, even if it’s idealized and not grounded in capitalism. (Though she probably generated that much for the NCAA).

    Outcomes in order of preference:

    1. Sixers win but Embiid significantly limited
    2. Heat win
    578. Sixers win and Embiid looks 100%

    Looks like we’re trending towards the top 2 outcomes, eh?

    Avoiding the bloodbath of the play-in and getting some rest is huge. Spo and Nurse should have taken the regular season more seriously.

    Neither of these teams look like well-oiled machines. I’m leaning towards wanting to play Philly because they just look like such a low-IQ team.

    Jimmy Butler is like Hyman Roth…he’s been dying of the same knee injury for the last 20 years.

    Am I going to wish we were playing the Sixers by the end of this game?

    Edit: Is Butler hurt!? Could we possibly have both him AND Embiid limited?

    “Playoff Jimmy isn’t real, he can’t hurt you”

    You’d think that teams would work on responding to the Heat zone defense, but it seems to work every time.

    LeBron only made $4mil as a rookie. It’s not absurd to say Clark should command that much, even if it’s idealized and not grounded in capitalism. (Though she probably generated that much for the NCAA).

    The NBA was and remains incredibly profitable. The league’s salary structure is based in part based on those results. I’m not sure the WNBA could even survive without some NBA subsidies. The revenue for the whole league is something around 200 million last I saw. If she can change the economics of the sport, the salary structure will change. That’s what the players and fans of the league have to hope for.

    I expected more passion from both of these teams. The Knicks play with more passion than either of these teams in the 4th quarter of a blowout game with two minutes left and all the starters still in after playing 40 minutes.

    It feels like I-Hart would do quite well against the zone, but what do I know.

    Combined 3pt shooting is now at 5-31.

    Something tells me the Heat scrub gang won’t shoot so poorly against us if we play them

    Batum wide open corner 3-brick. Miami comes down and gets a wide open 3-bucket. It’s devil magic.

    Embiid falling to his knees after a FT attempt was probably a bad sign for Philly

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