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I hope JK47’s uber jet ski made it safely to the Lower East Side.
I find myself wondering if…
a) other cities don’t flood like this when it rains
b) other cities do flood like this when it rains but their residents don’t feel so self-important that they blast it all over social media
c) other cities do flood like this and their residents blast it over social media but NY is so narcissistic that we just don’t notice.
It doesn’t rain as much in a lot of other places
Yeah and yesterday was kind of crazy. A month’s worth of rain in 3 hours!
I see Carlos Rodon managed to give up 8ER without recording an out. I remember when we signed that guy I said “I don’t know who he is but I bet he’ll suck just bc Cashman signed him.”
If Cashman somehow doesn’t get fired we should at least make him relinquish the pitching roster decisions, sort of like when an NFL coach gets to keep his job but someone else calls the plays. It’s been 20 years of big money disasters on the mound (minus the no-brainers like Cole, CC, Mussina). I don’t know how he hasn’t learned.
I didn’t hear it.
I’m not even saying it’s a certainty. I just think it’s an underrated risk. The Buck’s defense is certainly going to take a hit going from Jrue to Lillard and because some of the Bucks are starting to get older. The Bucks used to win a lot of close games with defense down the stretch.
Lillard is a much better scorer and spacer than Jrue, but their major problem the last 2 years wasn’t scoring. It was injuries. Had they stayed pat and McCollum looked healthy, I probably would have bet them to win the title. They are still serious contenders to win the title now, the offense will be better, but IMO, the odds moved way too much based on this trade.
I’m looking for value oriented bets.
I recall the Mets being linked to Rodon, too. The concerns with him were that he was coming off his career-best year and was a good candidate to regress based on his track record, and that before that he’d never had 30 starts or was close to 200 innings in a season. And, he was turning 30 years old.
I was glad that the Mets passed on him, but Verlander didn’t work out so well with the Mets, either, until they flipped him for a couple of nice prospects. Still, they owe him and Scherzer lots of cash this next season.
I’m missing how McCollum’s health affects the Bucks (all of them, not just one Buck) and their title chances. Also Lillard to Toronto. Very confusing, indeed.
I am hoping beyond hope that the Knicks just stand pat and we get another season of IQ, Grimes and RJ. If ever there was a time NOT to make a move, it is right now. Just get IQ signed and roll the dice that all 3 guys are going to increase their trade value this year. I think Jrue would screw up the team’s feng shui.
From living through floods in Colorado almost exactly 10 years ago, I also know it depends on the soil and the water table and whatever else.
In Colorado there’s a lot more clay that doesn’t absorb water much at all, so it rained there for a couple days about as much as it just did here and they declared it a federal emergency it was so bad. There’s still a bunch of garden levels and basements that you can tell went through a half-assed rebuild.
Colorado is very dry and it was estimated as a once in a thousand year rain. It barely rains at all there with about 300+ days of sun in Boulder.
So yeah, it was particularly bad here the last few days, but I’m not sure we’re bringing in FEMA.
But that’s just how little it rains in some places. Wouldn’t surprise me if South Carolina or something gets screwed over on the news front though
Futures bets aren’t accurate like game bets. There would need to be a “No Championship” line for people to hammer to drive the odds down like the smart money does when they see a bad line. But because you don’t have that in futures you can setup a bunch of suckers to take an extra bad line.
If there’s both sides of a bet you need to be accurate, when there’s one side you’re just finding the price you can maximize profit which could be way below actual odds.
But I still think you’re overvaluing Jrue compared to Dame
What they should really do is flip Middleton for some perimeter defense unless they really believe in Jae Crowder there
That’s because they used to play a lot of close games.
There are more trades to be made before we get to see the final odds.
However, when the odds on one of the favored teams are too low, that almost always translates into odds that are too high on someone else (sometimes multiple teams). I can’t book bets on the Bucks, but I can take a better look at teams like Denver, Memphis, Cleveland, Dallas, New Orleans, LA, LA etc… to see if there are any overlays among them.
That’s one of the best ways to play horses also.
If you hate the favorite, you can’t book bets on that horse (except on exchanges but that’s another story), but you can key on the other major contenders and find huge overlays if your opinion is sharp.
lol
It always looked to me like they rated themselves a bit until the 4th quarter and then locked down if they were behind or it was close.
He’s less significant now because Lillard will be 1st or 2nd option. They won’t have trouble scoring. They won’t need as much from McCollum now. But 2 years ago his absence was critical and had they not made this trade he would have more important this year.
To try to blunt the inevitable confusion that is about to ensue, I’m going to propose that everybody read “McCollum” as “Middleton” today. Carry on.
“c) other cities do flood like this and their residents blast it over social media but NY is so narcissistic that we just don’t notice.”
Definitely c. Anyone remember that a significant part of MA was underwater just a couple weeks ago? All summer long parts of Texas, the Midwest, and the SE have been flooded.
Lots of chatter about 100-year rains (or as EB writes, 1,000 year rains) and floods now being 25 years, or even five years apart. Get used to the new normal, fellas.
And we’ve got an el nino starting up. The ‘normal’ with that is “A strengthening El Niño could help make for a winter that is wet and stormy for California and Florida, mild and dry from the Northwest to the Great Lakes, and snowy at times across the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast.” But nobody knows anymore with the rapid changes in overall climate events.
It decidedly was, actually, and especially in the playoffs.
Last year in the regular season they had the 4th ranked defense and 12th ranked offense. Based on that alone, making a trade that upgrades their offense (which in the last ten years or so has proven more essential to playoff success than defense) at the expense of their defense makes perfect sense.
More importantly though, their offense in the playoffs has absolutely tanked lately. Last season it was 7/16 as they lost in 5 to Miami. The season before, it was 14/16(!) despite being much better in the regular season.
Jrue has basically been dared to make teams pay while they sell out on Giannis, and he hasn’t come close. That’s simply not going to happen with Damian god damn Lillard in tow.
If you want to say they might take a hit in the regular season, sure I can buy that. Thing is, teams like Milwaukee that know for an absolute fact in September that they’ll be in the playoffs, and almost certainly with home court advantage at that, don’t really care.
They are much, much better set up for playoff success with one of the best shot creators in the game.
I meant Middleton. 🙂
The great thing about this site is that if I wait a bit, someone will say what I want to say about basketball-related matters, but say it better. Thank you, Noble.
I agree with Strat that the Bucks are not a good bet to win a title with Dame & Giannis.
But I think he’s got just about everything else about Dame to the Bucks wrong. Like…
…actually it was. Scoring in the half court offense had been their biggest problem, by far, in the playoffs, healthy or not. Giannis is great but that’s not his strength. Their go-to-scorer in crunch time has always been Khris Middelton. And they really struggle in the half court even when everyone is healthy.
I get that they have weaknesses and I agree those weaknesses will likely do them in, but they are so much better having made this trade.
This is making me hungry for a few McMiddles and an iced coffee.
EB, I still cannot figure out where the hell you live or if it’s always changing. Are you a Navy Seal who gets re-stationed every few years?
As for Jrue, call me crazy, but if a guy can pass/shoot/dribble at a very high level, I wouldn’t mind getting him, especially if we can remove a guy who doesn’t pass/shoot/dribble very well.
Yes, I know, the age difference is a very real thing, and I’m not totally out on RJ. But I think you do have to maximize Brunson’s next four years — his Golden Zone, if you will.
Oops, should’ve read Noble’s post first.
Side note: I saw some footage from inside Dolan’s sphere, where there was a U2 concert last night. It looks pretty sick. We might actually be experiencing the James Dolan uptick right now.
I’m everywhere. I’m nowhere. I’ve been in Denver/Boulder area for most of the last 13 years with a quick 1 year stint in LA. I moved back to Connecticut 2 weeks ago.
those are some really nice areas – do you have a favorite EB?
tough to pick between colorado and connecticut…maybe slight edge to connecticut…
Yeah, the halfcourt upgrade from Middleton to Dame is pretty huge. The Giannis/Dame PnR should be something to see.
Strat is really trying to drive Doogie crazy today 😉
good call hubie…wow. that’s crazy…
let me know when we’re heading to vegas and the sphere – i’m there with you 🙂
“As for Jrue, call me crazy, but if a guy can pass/shoot/dribble at a very high level, I wouldn’t mind getting him, especially if we can remove a guy who doesn’t pass/shoot/dribble very well.
Yes, I know, the age difference is a very real thing, and I’m not totally out on RJ. But I think you do have to maximize Brunson’s next four years — his Golden Zone, if you will.”
I gree with the spirit of this post. The issue for me is that I don’t think Jrue does enough to merit the expense of outbidding the other suitors. The only way I could be convinced that it was a good move is if you could show me that such a move made us favorites for the ECFs for the next two years, assuming full health for Jrue, and I don’t think that’s the case. And as was pointed out previously, if RJ is the main piece going out, our already small team got even smaller.
Here’s my thing. By the trade deadline it’s going to be clear that some teams are underperforming and need to consider rebuilding via the draft and unloading vets on big contracts. If not by then, then by the 2024 offseason. Selling low on any of our youngish players….whether it’s iHart, or IQ, or Grimes, or RJ, seems like a sure thing if we trade them right now (and yes, I’m higher on RJ than many here.)
If it does happen, I’m not going to lose my shit unless it’s a clear overpay. But my hope is that we don’t lurch at the shiny object just for the sake of keeping up with the Jones’s in the close but no cigar category.
I think Connecticut honestly, might just be nostalgia, which could disappear pretty quickly—the rain is doing it no favors.
It’s just greener than Colorado and I miss beaches and looking over the water.
Boulder is great though with the mountains/flatirons a 5 min walk from downtown, it’s a hard view to beat. Don’t really like the culture there anymore though (not that I love CT’s in particular), Boulder went from a hippy-ish town with a bunch of local shops to a lot of tech bros and huge retail stores. It’s also just an awkward place to be in your 30s and not settled down. Lots of families and lots of college students.
Denver is nice but not much of a city, but where is after growing up next to NY and living in LA. You live in Denver to get out of it and into the mountains.
So Colorado is great if you’re super outdoorsy. I like hiking and camping once in awhile but I’m not going every single weekend like most people. I’m definitely not doing ultramarathons or trail running.
Also, the food in Colorado sucks.
Honestly, I liked LA too. I was in Koreatown with about 30 restaurants on my block. A lot of bars, food options, and diversity that Connecticut and Colorado just don’t have. If I had been there longer the traffic would have gotten to me.
Re: flooding I was thinking more like similar NE cities, btw. Not necessarily Colorado. Boston & Philadephia, for example. Do those places break in heavy rain as easily as NY? I have no idea.
My guess would be that Philly doesn’t get hit as hard because it’s further in land and Boston doesn’t because it’s further north giving the tropical storms coming up the coast more time to peter out. I think LI Sound kills a lot of them.
But they probably don’t get the publicity the times they do flood.
The subway being almost entirely underground and leaned on more heavily by the populous probably makes it worse than other places too
Yes, there was no way I was going to be able to make that leap from McCollum to Middleton. Thanks, all.
Still confused about Lillard being re-packaged to Toronto, though. 🙂
thank you EB 😊
that’s a fair distinction between urbanish environments (boulder/la) and country ass connecticut…excuse me ruralish/clannish…
weather is gonna be rougher everywhere soon enough…the water and woods there though are pretty special…the place just feels old…
the abundance of natural resources in that whole area is/was amazing…
i was thinking about whales going up the hudson…that must have been a magical sight…
Maybe I should of stayed in CO, it’ll be beachfront property soon enough at this rate
Hubert, here’s a Boston story (from this August). A lot of the flooding was around Boston, not right downtown it seems, maybe better drainage there, who knows.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/roads-flooded-across-eastern-mass-multiple-vehicles-reportedly-trapped/3108244/
Also significant downtown Boston flooding 9 months ago.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=boston+flooding&mid=7C17BE872CB0280412127C17BE872CB028041212
I’m in NY playing a show at Pier 17 tonight and all the local crew guys here are speaking in glorious Noo Yawk accents and it’s the best thing ever. I miss this place.
Early Bird Writes says:
September 30, 2023 at 14:26
Maybe I should of stayed in CO, it’ll be beachfront property soon enough at this rate
I don’t think you should of stayed there.
JK, man, who you playing with tonight? Hope you kick out some jamz…
And yeah, being essentially a costal island, Manhattan probably gets it worse than inland cities, plus the subway system.
I used to go to a Pentecoastal church. Oh, wait…….it was actually Episcoopal. All of it is a little odd, since I am Jewish.
Some poor reading comprehension is causing Mitchell Robinson to go viral. There was an article talking about valuing centers on the trade market, and it notes that a player like Mitchell Robinson would cost multiple first round picks. This now quickly became “The Knicks are shopping Mitchell Robinson for multiple first round picks.” I certainly wouldn’t say that the Knicks will never trade Mitch, but they sure as fuck aren’t trading him right before training camp.
i second that notion – don’t trade mitch…
it would be nice though to run a center out there every once in a whilenthat can shoot…
Mitch ain’t going anywhere short of a trade for Embiid or Giannis. Don’t even think about it.
Seems like a cool gig, if my brother didn’t have an apartment warming party I might try and make it down to the show
Yeah, exactly. It’s not even a question about Mitch himself, exactly, and just how the roster (and the salary cap) is constructed. So the amount of people who jumped to “Mitch is on the trading block!” because of someone saying “a center like Mitchell Robinson would cost multiple first round picks” is just too silly.
i’m episcopalian…was given a choice around 11 to either go catholic or protestant/episcopalian…
i went to a bunch of catholic services as a kid…lot of kneeling…beautiful music and places of worship…
i had met this minister though at this church in Belport out on the island…he was like a rockstar in the church who had come out of the city to serve at this small little church in Belport…it’s a really nice town…
my dad knew him from somewhere (AA stuff i think), even did the alter boy thing for a while at his church…
i had no idea pastors were that damn busy…
This season the games against the Hornets are going to be tough!
Unfortunately that’s a common place nowadays, people don’t try to understand, search, double check. It’s like they just need a spark.
But yeah, Mitch isn’t going anywhere. This one isn’t hard to double check.
Reggie Bullock is available…
As he should be.
Beautiful music? That stuff was terrible…something I knew I wouldn’t miss…
from my (limited) understanding there’s a lot more NY could do to prepare for heavy rains but at a certain point when it rains a lot places are going to flood. I remember that nasty storm we had before covid we had a lot of flooding and people online were comparing NY and it’s old ass subway to much more modern stuff in China and then like 2 weeks later one city in China had a terrible flood and a bunch of people drowned in a very modern subway.
I don’t think Reggie is the right fit, but it kinda suggests that good enough player will shake loose.
If we traded Mitch, Thibs would quit immediately
JK is absolutely killing it.
Source: am here
Fantastic on both counts
that’s sooooo cool 😎
Wish I could be there. Alas, I’m drunk.
I wish I was there too, but it’s really really far from here
As much as I’d love to revisit the Reggie Bullock days of 2021, he ain’t coming back. We already have too many wings to offer him a spot in the rotation and there are too many contenders who could use the extra depth and shooting.