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I doubt anyone here is a subscriber to the NY Post+ premium offering, but I’m curious what the argument of the final linked story is, in terms of how not getting the Dallas pick this year will be better for us in the long run.
I’m guessing it’s because this way we still have a pick to trade, instead of a player. Of course, Leon is master in kicking the can down the road, so maybe i’m wrong.
For some reason I can access it Alan, perhaps because I live abroad. It’s a nothing article, and cyber you are correct–the premise is a pick may be more valuable than a rookie player in a big trade.
Hey CDiggy, how are your pals likin’ them apples?
I like Malone’s crabby complaints about how nobody gives the Nuggets any respect from the WashPost (which is true, and gets back to Jokic’s place among the greats with a nose and a pace like that…).
“You win Game 1 and all everybody talked about was the Lakers,” Malone said. “Let’s be honest, the national narrative was, ‘Hey, the Lakers are fine. They’re down 1-0, but they figured something out.’ … The narrative wasn’t about the Nuggets. The narrative wasn’t about Nikola. The narrative was about the Lakers and their adjustments. You put that in your pipe, you smoke it. You come back and you know what, we’re going to go up 2-0.”
That is kind of awesome.
I have historically been down on Murray, just seems like a typical flammable but erratic scoring point type. That was a super impressive quarter he played though. Full credit.
Those Embiid whispers are about to become yells…
So, what’s everyone’s line in the sand?
Mitch, Quickley, and Fournier get it done salary wise. So it comes down to how willing we are to forget what a “first-round draft pick is” for the foreseeable future.
Mitch, Quickley, Fournier, NYK 2024, DAL 2024, DET and WAS 2024, MIL 2025, NYK 2026, and NYK 2028 is Stepien compliant as of draft night.
Yea or nay?
Yea. Sort of a reverse-Process for Embiid.
Jamal Murray has been great this entire playoffs, putting up 25/6/5 per 36 on 59% TS and arguably outplaying our favorite Knick PG.
I hadn’t even counted him on the list of PGs ahead of Brunson in my extremely unpopular argument that JB is not a top 10 starting PG, despite his awesomeness in the context of past Knick PGs.
Brunson’s playoff BPM ranks 5th among all players in the playoffs, forget point guards. Your argument is unpopular because it’s bad!
yea…but i don’t think morey is going to do it…
I’m not sure, Pepper, that Morey may have a choice in the matter. I’m not saying he is going to trade Embiid to the Knicks. But a team where Embiid is the only star, Harris is wildly overpaid, and the rest of the roster other than maybe Maxey is made up of role players, and where the Rockets only control their 2024 pick, might force his hand and accept at least a one-year retrenchment.
If you have to trade your reigning MVP franchise cornerstone, you don’t trade him within the division. That’s kind of the cardinal rule of trading reigning MVP franchise cornerstones.
the harden stuff reeks of a contract standoffs…. i’d have to see it before i can believe it… both the sixers and harden are highly incentivized to get a deal done so i’d anticipate an overpay to resolve this….
the sixers do have a good shot at it since it looks like maxey can take a step… there’s no reason for them to dismantle unless harden and embiid really have gone nuts….
Agree…harden is just negotiating.. he’s not going to play on that crap team to end his career….
Keith Pompey is about as dialed in as it gets when it comes to the Sixers and he’s basically reporting this as straight news. I get the impression he’s even more certain than the piece itself lets on.
We’ll see I guess, but I think Harden is playing in Houston next season…who knows what that means for Embiid?
not to mention that there’s absolutely no reason for houston to want harden.. let alone with all the drama with hardens exit… tillmans not the kind of guy to easily forget that stuff.. and I find it hard to believe that tillman wants to add payroll even putting that aside..
I only see it as a desperate attempt from the gm to save his job…. things are a bit of a mess down there but crazy things happen all the time….
I’d do that trade for Embiid. Let’s get a chip!
i’m not questioning pompey’s integrity… but he’s not an oracle…. and with rumor mill type of stuff you do have to think next level and look at who is feeding him this information … and why… because that’s how these guys are used by agents and front offices alike… that’s the only reason why they are privy to this stuff to begin with… why do you think shams and woj are so embedded with every agency out there? all this stuff could be true but these guys are essentially mouthpieces and that’s what pompey is doing for harden’s camp….
i trust everything pompey is saying… but i don’t trust what harden’s camp is saying until they actually follow through….
like why would the houston stuff leak midseason.. because they were in the middle of a contract extension negotation… why is it leaking now? because they’re talking about extensions…. there’s absolutely no reason for any of this stuff to be mentioned unless there’s some conflict… if harden really really wanted to go there he would just go sign and not deal with the drama surrounding it….
but yea who knows…. that’s why i don’t play the rumor mill and i hate twitter and i normally dismiss everything anyway because there’s lots that we dont know and what we’re told is only because of someone’s agenda.. but i do know not to take things at face value when there’s money and rep on the line for someone….
I can’t believe Harden would do that to Morey. But if he does, i still don’t think Morey will trade Embiid. He’ll have a pick to trade (2029) and without Harden’s money, he can use that pick to unload Tobias (expiring), which will get him near max money (47.4M) in cap.
This isn’t a problem, Houston will have 74.1M in cap space this summer.
This won’t get it done. The protected picks don’t have that much value, and neither Mitch and Quick. We’re talking about the MVP, one of the top players of the league. No GM would settle for less than 4 unprotected, 3 swaps and 2 good players. In Morey’s case i think he won’t trade him at all, because Morey doesn’t believe in tanking.
harden’s max starts at 46m… that’s 10mm+ more than the salary floor and that’s also not taking into account what roster spots take… and that’s also buying into the fact that they would be going the next 3-4 years scraping the salary floor with harden essentially doing a weekend at bernies for the twilight of his career…. that could happen… but i have trouble believing it…
i imagine the standoff is in the neighborhood of 32-36mm taking all this into account and harden wants more… i’m sort of interested in what morey thinks since a teardown might sound appealing to him… at least for job security purposes… but i have to believe you have to run it back especially with maxey in tow and with the top of the league in such flux… and i have to believe morey does care about getting a ring and this group being so close he should invest into this harden’s money be damned…
Philly is gonna want Brunson, then if he’s successfully walled off, Barrett. Their initial ask will include both.
Harden took a pay cut in his last contract and wants veto power over the new coach. I too am not really buying it.
I’m guessing the strip clubs in Houston are a lot better than the strip clubs in Philly.
Supposedly the Rockets are considering moving their pick and pivoting towards winning. They only have their own pick every other year moving forward.
DJ, come on, no owner is trying to have its roster at the salary floor. That’s kind of insane. Now if paying Harden is a good option, given the Rockets place on the win curve, that’s another conversation.
I’d have zero problem trading a package of RJ, Mitch, picks, and whatever other flotsam for Embiid. Would have to think about the fit with Randle, but talent-wise, Embiid/Brunson/Randle is a pretty impressive top 3, and we would still have some of our depth left over.
And Donnie is right, no way the Sixers would agree to trade Embiid to a division rival.
Sure but max money is only as good as the FAs available. Kyrie would be the only guy worth bringing in, so you better get him. He’d be worth it for a win now team but it still leaves them with a lot of roster holes.
Also, Harden wouldn’t be the first guy wanting out of a perennial contender in Philly. Simmons refused to play for them and Butler took his talents to South Beach. It’s possible something rotten is going on behind the scenes.
I agree, but having an all star bolt for another team and you only lose a pick to have cap space to keep your contender status, seems like they can avoid the disaster, right? They have options, trading Embiid isn’t the only path. And for the record, i don’t know if a team with Harden+Maxey+Embiid is better than a team with Kyrie+Maxey+Embiid.
houston’s been at the salary floor for the last two years since the harden trade… a third year isn’t so hard to believe…
maybe they do want to win… i mean i dunno it’s impossible to pin down anyone’s motivations but this all seems very weird to the point that everyone involved is acting in a not so believable way…. and because of that it all does seem very manufactured…
Embiid is old, is never in shape, and gets hurt every year. Not a rough rider, not a 16 game player.
Yeah I agree Kyrie would be a great fit and I could see him going there, but who is playing forward instead of Harris? Tobias isn’t great but they don’t have anyone else.
If they whiff on Kyrie there’s Middleton, Westbrook, Reaves (RFA), Porzingis, FVV, etc.
I don’t know who they go after that’s keeping them a contender. Maybe they cobble together a supporting squad and hope Maxey takes a leap: Dillon Brooks, Bruce Brown, Alec Burks?
Hard pass on Embiid. He’s never gotten out of the second round even though he’s played with Butler, Simmons (when he was good) and now Harden. You would think he’d at least get through to the conference finals at least once.
IF he was fully healthy and a few years younger, sure. But as good as he is, can you rely on him come post season?
But here’s a crazy thought. If Harden does leave and they do decide to trade Embiid and blow it up, what about a smaller trade with a couple of first round picks for Maxey? Reunite him and IQ!!!
I’m watching the Barcelona-Real Madrid Euroleague semifinal…
Rokas looks very active, maybe because he’s playing on his old stomping ground in Kaunas. He had an eventful first half (6 points, 3-4 FG, 1 REB, 2 AST, 4 TO in only 6:40).
Strange feeling as a Knicks fan: Anthony Randolph, Mario Hezonja and Sergio “El Chacho” Rodriguez are all playing for Madrid… 🙂
Oh totally, but only if they remain committed to the current team, developing the young players and trying to add some more with their picks. If they decide it’s time to bring Harden and other veterans to try to win now, the salary floor won’t be on their minds.
I totally get that argument, but I think the fact of the matter is that NBA players just aren’t rational anymore. Which, hey, honestly, fair enough for them. They have the power to do whatever weird ass thing they want to do now, so good for them. But it means that shit like this, that makes no sense at all, still makes “sense” in that some dudes are just fucking weird. And Harden seems like one of those guys who might just be fucking weird.
“what about a smaller trade with a couple of first round picks for Maxey? Reunite him and IQ!!!”
At which point I shall pen the tome, “The Maxey Twins Take Manhattan!”
celts -9.5 tonight…anybody taking that?
over/under on horford points is 8.5…that seems good as an over…
that dude was like a throw in/on the scrap heap a few yrs ago…I don’t think the celtics are where they are without him now…underated pick up…
Some interesting views from P&T editors, on a question we’ve also been discussing here – Should the Knicks trade Julius Randle?
Rewatching Randle’s shots from the final game I noticed he was given the ball with under 5 seconds on the shot clock a lot. It happened 4 times, including twice under 2secs.
Another 2 the clip doesn’t show when he got it, so I can’t tell if the low clock was on him or it was a pass.
Plus 1 time with 6sec and 1 with 7.
He went 1-8 on those shots.
In the playoffs overall he took 17.6% of his shots under 4 seconds compared to 12.4% in the playoffs. Of course, in the regular season he managed to hit over 45% of those shots instead of 27%. His 7-4 second shot frequency also increased, again shooting around 27%.
He struggled inside the arc in the first series, probably due to Allen & Mobley (possibly the ankle), but got his 2p% over .500 against the Heat.
Where he really struggled was 3pt shooting throughout the playoffs which has been a big part of his game.
Like Randle, Embiid had significantly worse performance in the playoffs compared to the regular season. In addition, he looked gassed in the fourth quarter of some playoff games. I’m not sure we would be thrilled with him if we got him.
And EB, I noticed the same thing about Randle. He was often asked to bail out the offense by going iso at the end of the shot clock. I don’t hold it against him that he didn’t do do well in those situations.
Celtics looking like they’re gonna blow it wide open and now it’s tied
I hate Miami fans but man, it’s hard not to admire this team.
Would be hilarious if the Knicks wind up giving the Heat their toughest series in the East.
If this is a contract year for Caleb Martin he is getting paid…
If Miami gets to the finals, do we decide to run it back barring a favorable star trade and some moves around the edges?
caleb’s height is listed at 6’5″…he kind of looks taller than that…
i’ve decided, for the eastern conference finals – i want the away team to win each game – so their fans go home sad…
yeah, i’m not bitter at all…
Spite so pure it’s beautiful
There are some tight sphincters in Beantown right now
In the Fake Tough Guy Olympics there is always an NBA player atop the podium…
Watching this series so far gives me a greater appreciation for the job the Knicks did defending Butler.
Jimmy F’N Butler
Celtics are baffling
Celtics could use Brunson right now.
Mazzulla getting fired?
Tyler Herro might be made available this offseason
The Heat are just a bunch of stone cold bad asses
And Butler isn’t Jordan obviously but man he’s got a lot of his qualities
Grant Williams really fucked up
Looking at this Boston game, I am fine with running it back.
He REALLY fucked up. Don’t poke the bear!
Man, a Joker vs Playoff Jimmy Finals would be fascinating.
Heat have scored more pts in every game against the Bucks and Celtics than they did in any game against the Knicks.
Really is a shame we struggled as much as we did offensively.
We could have used Quickley
I can’t believe the Celtics lost that game.
Very excited to see some smart person analyze the close and late fail
Comforting but also awful to know that we would’ve made the finals had we beaten the Heat
Have heard not a single fucking peep from them this week 🙂
Don’t let them get swept by Denver either – I told them a couple of weeks ago that they had an easier path to the Finals than we did b/c Boston/Milwaukee/Philly were better top seeds than the Nuggets (well until Miami decided to wreck all that shit up).
And what makes the trolls worse is, some of them will bend over backwards to move the goal posts to claim that their season was “better” than the Knicks. Anything to avoid admitting that their season – should they go onto lose the WCF – would be mild disappointment while ours was a substantial success.