Let’s go, directionless Knicks! I bet these weirdos win this one!
144 replies on “2021-22 Game Thread: Knicks @ Nuggets”
Geezers killing it.
For those curious:
Jokers career highs are 50pts/22rebs/18asts
Sims looking good so far
Sims > Jokic
Okay, Sims’ hops > Jokic’s hops
this 2nd unit is ugly now…
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Hubert: It’s a misconception that our lack of activity this week is driving Team Pessimist. Me, JK47, TNFH, and all the other so-called Pessimists are simply cognizant of the advanced warnings that are currently present.
It’s like climate change. We get angry when the temperature rises by 2.0 degrees celsius, and y’all want to stay calm until the flood comes.
Either way we all gonna drown.
I just don’t see doing nothing this trade deadline as a sign of the flood coming or of horrible climate change. Overall, we’re better under Rose than we were under previous managements. I think we will stay better. The question in my mind is will we get actually, consistently, good. Our management is not showing signs of making big risky deals. Instead they are acting more like the Cleveland path outlined above by Donnie Walsh above. The draft picks aren’t as high, but the basic philosophy is similar. Teams like that often look bad for several years and then suddenly are good one season. I hope it happens to us, but I’m not holding my breath.
I am at work and can’t watch the game, but since Sims has a remarkably high BPM, I’m not surprised he can look good on the floor.
So, Obi can definitely create his own shot
Bones is clearly too cool.
Cam is definitely too cool for this team.
Sims switched onto Bones, swallowed him up. Unfortunately Bones hit the turn around fall away at the buzzer. Sims can move his feet really damn well though.
I mean, really. Can the IQ point guard experiment end already?
Did not think Obi was going to catch that one. There’s a reason he’s in the dunk contest.
Bones is…incinerating us
We’re trying to stop one of the 3 best players in the NBA with some combination of Taj Gibson, a 2nd round rookie or some guys who are way too small. Cam has played more minutes than Obi. What are you all complaining about?
I’m kind of hoping we go down by 35 soon so Thibs finally puts McBride in and I can find out if Strat is actually right for the very first time in his life and despite everything I saw in summer league and preseason, Deuce is no point guard.
But I’m super glad Kemba’s in there instead.
DRed:
We’re trying to stop one of the 3 best players in the NBA with some combination of Taj Gibson, a 2nd round rookie or some guys who are way too small.Cam has played more minutes than Obi.What are you all complaining about?
Joker hasn’t even been the problem
I want reddish to get lots of minutes over the rest of the season but I don’t really see what people see in him. He could shoot better and become a solid player but I don’t see more “upside” than someone like Grimes or Toppin. He seems stiff with the ball and doesn’t make decisions very quickly.
That might have been one of the most embarrassing strips I’ve ever seen.
Denver could go for 80 in the first half.
Super glad Kemba’s in there.
Meanwhile, Cam Reddit, leading the team with… minus 20.
Kemba doing his best to remain a Knick because nobody is trading for him
Love how Randle just stopped playing and bitched at the refs while Bones was five feet away from him burying an open three.
I’m not saying that it definitely wasn’t a foul by Hyland, but it wasn’t clearly a foul, as the ref could have easily felt that Kemba just flopped there.
if thibs would play our rookies we could laughing about bones dropping a deuce and not worrying whether kemba has life alert
Love how Randle just stopped playing and bitched at the refs while Bones was five feet away from him burying an open three.
Yeah, like I noted, it wasn’t so obvious that the Knicks should have all given up on the play.
I want to trade Randle but I am fine just buying out Kemba and Gibson and dumping Burks and Noel for a trade exemption or expiring contract. I just want them off the team.
They seem like good guys but Thibs will never prioritize the young players unless we give him no choice.
I’ve embraced no longer caring about these games this season. The Lakers game was the last one.
Meanwhile, Cam Reddit, leading the team with… minus 20.
I checked the score five minutes after Thibs called a timeout and the lead ballooned to twenty. From the box score Cam looks like the anti- Ntilikina. He is athletic and can do fancy stuff that Frank can’t but he ends up with negative plus minuses rather than positive ones.
Part of it is the Knicks’ lack of athleticism, but the other teams play harder than the Knicks almost every game.
Taj can show his grandkids highlights of this game
I mean, the two centerpieces of their defense are missing, so this isn’t too shocking.
Made the right choice to not attend tonight
I should have bet my entire life savings on the Nuggets this was so inevitable
Lots of guys half-assing it tonight.
Almost to the cutoff. Down 26. We need to get down by 9 more and it’s Deuce time.
They might keep them under 80!
OH MY GOD I just looked at the score WTF ? ? ?
wow, rough day in knickland…
hali (our hali) gets shipped out of sacto for sabonis…then, this game against the nuggets…
When struggling you give the ball to your go-to scorer: Taj Gibson.
Hey, we’ve scored 60 in the half! That’s positive! 😀
Taj got buckets for the Joker
Nope, couldn’t keep them under 80.
well, as bad as it looks, at this point – having denver kick the crap out of us, maybe isn’t so bad…
Would be pretty absurd if the front office refused to sell after losing 9 of our last 15 and getting shellacked by every playoff team we faced
Tear it down
Maybe if we lose by 40 they fire Thibs and blow up the team.
This roster and coach are trash.
Tear it down
sad news. you may already be looking at the studs.
Poor Wally just seems like he doesn’t know what to say
or make of this.
Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada:
Would be pretty absurd if the front office refused to sell after losing 9 of our last 15 and getting shellacked by every playoff team we faced
Tear it down
Steve Popper just tweeted that Knicks have shopped just about everyone on team( I assume the vets), especially Fournier, and there are no takers.
I thought we played well in spots. Lol.
No one wants Randle or Fournier at their numbers and the other vets aren’t any good and have no market value. The team’s a disaster. There was a time where I thought Burks might have some value (and he still might), but he’s been awful for like three straight weeks now.
Cam plays like he thinks he’s too good for the rest of the team. There’s an aloofness about him that he can’t back up with good play.
I find it genuinely hard to believe that you couldn’t get someone to bite on Rose or Burks but I guess we’re just a team full of Courtney Lees this year, which is maybe the most depressing thing I’ve ever written
Knick Fan in NJ, we’re usually on the same page but I couldn’t disagree with you more. And while some things are a matter of opinion, I think it’s a stone cold fact that Leon Rose is not taking the Cleveland approach that Donnie Walsh laid out. You don’t hire Tom Thibodeau if you want to draft high for a few years. And you don’t punt on draft picks, either.
For the record, I didn’t say sitting out the deadline is a sign of the flood; I said our overall state of affairs means a flood is coming. We’ve passed the threshold; there’s no undoing this mess. Now we just have to hunker down, hope it doesn’t get worse, and wait for it to pass.
I remember when Atlanta traded with Dallas to get Trae Insteasd of Luka, the consensus here was that also getting Reddish with the extra puck they got wasn’t worth much to Atlanta. So far, that’s looking very correct.
The next step is waiting for this (stupid and misguided) cycle to end and the inevitable rebuild to start yet again. They’re capped out with this terrible roster through next year. And they’ve tuned out the coach.
The most points the Knicks have given up in a half since 1966? Wow.
Looking at this game and this team, a couple of things occurred to me, nothing new, of course, mostly stuff I said when it happened, but I still think it holds true while watching this all fall apart.
1. Last year, the Knicks signed too many guys to one-year deals. There’s little upside in getting Alec Burks to a value contract if you have to then turn around and pay him market value to keep him if he does well. If Burks was refusing to take a second year, then you just don’t sign Alec Burks. Same with Noel.
2. I’ve said it a number of times that I know it would be hard for most GMs to not bring back the team that just got the #4 seed. But most NBA GMs suck, so it doesn’t do much for me to say, “Well, most NBA GMs would have done the same.” I can understand it and feel for Rose in the situation, but at the same time, it is his responsibility to look at the team more realistically and for his approach to be something other than, “This is the team I want for the next two years” right away (remember, the Knicks locked this shit down right away. It was like, “Fuck, we are not risking losing Alec Burks!”).
3. Fluky shit happens and poorly managed teams benefit all of the time. John Hammond is a fairly typical mediocre GM. He was not a great executive in Milwaukee (he won an Executive of the Year award, but it was for stupid reasons, like drafting Brandon Jennings and trading for John Salmons, pushing the Bucks from 34 wins to 46 wins. I have no idea how the fuck he won Executive of the Year for that shit), but he also drafted Giannis and Khris Middleton with a late lottery pick and a second round pick, which is insanely lucky. Jon Horst is an actual good GM, but again, fluky shit happened while Hammond was trying to make the #7 seed every year and Horst had two excellent building blocks to work with. Cleveland kept trying to get the #8 seed and failing and somehow ended up with back-to-back #1 picks, used one on Anthony fucking Bennett and still got lucky enough that Lebron was born in Ohio and wanted to win with them and that second #1 pick could be used to get a third star and they then made four straight NBA Finals. Fluky shit happens. Steve Mills sucked, but he was a torn Achilles away from likely having Durant (despite Durant being a lying liar who lies and saying he was never coming here. You’re lying, dude) and another star in MSG a couple of years ago. Fluky shit. So I totally agree that the Knicks are not guaranteed to be mediocre, but at the same time, they sure ain’t following a fucking three year plan either. That’s just patently false. There’s a general “don’t fuck things up too much and maybe something fluky will happen” deal, but that is not a real plan. Just like signing veteran dudes to one-year deals is not a real plan. It never is.
3. One of the things the Knicks could be doing besides signing mediocre veterans to one-year deals where, if they prove it, they get to stick around as market value guys, is to actually just sign young undrafted free agent guys to longer non-guaranteed deals and if they pan out, the team comes out really well. This is also why you don’t give up draft picks. You use that shit and hope you get lucky instead of signing vets that you have to then lock down for market value if they pay off. “Oh no, we can’t try unproved rookie X, we have to play Alec fucking Burks.” “We can’t sign undrafted guy X, we have to give Taj fucking Gibson a two-year guaranteed contract.” It’s just not smart GMing. That it is better than being Isiah Thomas is meaningless.
4. Thibs is such a poor fit here. Even for his own sake, he’d be better off somewhere else. He’s clearly a talented coach, but a bad fit here, and I thought that when I still thought he was going to Scott Skiles them to 56 meaningless wins this year before getting swept in the first round (okay, maybe a five-game loss).
Bones Hyland would have been a good guy to take with the incinerated pick
“The ship be sinking,” was the famous quote Michael Ray Richardson gave to reporters as the 1981–82 New York Knicks’ season collapsed.”…who on this roster can give us this kind of quality quote in the near future…
83 point eh? Unreal
The next step is waiting for this (stupid and misguided) cycle to end and the inevitable rebuild to start yet again. They’re capped out with this terrible roster through next year. And they’ve tuned out the coach.
This is exactly where we are. The next off ramp isn’t til 2023, and it’s going to be a terrible ride there.
And Rose still has to navigate a very tricky situation with RJ.If he messes that up (and all indications are that he will), we won’t have another off ramp til the next regime comes in.
all I can say is unless Leon Rose is in a photo with Zion holding his new Knick Jersey in the next year or two..or by some miralce they draft the next giannis…he’s going down like the rest of the shlubs they’ve run through in the last decade…embarrassing…
Get the fuck back to the huddle, Randle.
BC- that is a lot for a game thread. Great post though!
JK47:
Bones Hyland would have been a good guy to take with the incinerated pick
Hell, Bones McCoy might have been good, too…
JK47, on draft night:
“ There’s no way a front office like this is going to succeed in the long run, they’re fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they simply don’t understand the draft. The scales have fallen from my eyes, I now see that last year was a fluke and we’re going to crash hard. Never hire an agent to be your GM. Brodie Van Wagenen and now this fucking asshole.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
Come on guys let’s see if we can lose by 15
Playing the Warriors or Nuggets and watching them pass the ball around and cut to the basket is psychologically damaging
We’re on pace to give up 152 points but I think we can do better than that.
Could get ugly in the Garden when they get back home. Another Randle meltdown is a distinct possibility and we’ll probably start hearing the “Fire Thibodeau” chants.
We want deuce! We want deuce!
Hubert:
Knick Fan in NJ, we’re usually on the same page but I couldn’t disagree with you more. And while some things are a matter of opinion, I think it’s a stone cold fact that Leon Rose is not taking the Cleveland approach that Donnie Walsh laid out. You don’t hire Tom Thibodeau if you want to draft high for a few years. And you don’t punt on draft picks, either.
For the record, I didn’t say sitting out the deadline is a sign of the flood; I said our overall state of affairs means a flood is coming. We’ve passed the threshold; there’s no undoing this mess. Now we just have to hunker down, hope it doesn’t get worse, and wait for it to pass.
Well I’m with you that we have to hunker down. I just hope you’re wrong about the flood
Playing the Warriors or Nuggets and watching them pass the ball around and cut to the basket is psychologically damaging
Playing the Warriors is also painful because they keep developing scrap heap guys, but the Knicks can’t do that, because you can’t expect scrapheap guys to play better than Alec fucking Burks or Taj fucking Gibson.
Brian Cronin: 1. Last year, the Knicks signed too many guys to one-year deals. There’s little upside in getting Alec Burks to a value contract if you have to then turn around and pay him market value to keep him if he does well. If Burks was refusing to take a second year, then you just don’t sign Alec Burks. Same with Noel.
I actually think the 1yr deals were smart… if they moved then at the trade deadline. We were under .500 at the time, but close enough that maybe that changed our tactics.
I also don’t think being capped out is bad in and of itself. There just aren’t FA moves like there used to be.
Randle & Fournier are both playing better. Maybe a team will want them in the offseason. I think it’s the years that make them immovable more than the talent level.
Oh, you know what also pissed me off for a totally unfair reason? The Utah announcers calling Burks “AB” throughout the game. He hasn’t played for you for years, you don’t still call him by his nickname you used for him back then!
Brian’s 4 point post above deserves a standing ovation.
Should be it’s own thread but that’s just how BC rolls
I actually think the 1yr deals were smart… if they moved then at the trade deadline. We were under .500 at the time, but close enough that maybe that changed our tactics.
Oh sure, that’s fair, but that’s basically “The moves would have been okay if the GM used completely different tactics,” but him not using those tactics is what I’m irked at.
15!
Nuggets are spooked now. We have them right where we want them.
Dammit, the Geezers got it back down to 15. There goes Deuce…
Not to play the “which team would you not trade rosters with?” game again but which team would it be? Maybe the Kings? The Blazers? Can’t think of another team, OKC doesn’t count because they have 10,000 draft picks.
Hyland is the better version of Quickley?
Brian Cronin: Oh sure, that’s fair, but that’s basically “The moves would have been okay if the GM used completely different tactics,” but him not using those tactics is what I’m irked at.
Hence the ellipses, but yes.
I find it difficult to be upset with last year, our best in 10 years (or whatever), long-term consequences be damned.
Cam is -20 in 6 minutes.
The Knicks have been out scored by 41 points in the 21 minutes Cam has played the last two games.
Hence the ellipses, but yes.
Yeah, gotcha, fair point!
I find it difficult to be upset with last year, our best in 10 years (or whatever), long-term consequences be damned.
And I agree, I like when they make the playoffs, too, even when I think it was bad for the future of the team. It was still really fun.
Jamychal Green breakout game. Obviously
Taj looking to get ejected?
Hubert I was about to make the same post about Reddish.
Just woof
I like Breen casually throwing some shade, noting that “They can get a shot off, if a Knick player is willing to take it.”
Denver announcers are saying how good Cam is, lol.
They also complain about Taj fouling Jokic everytime Jokic touches the ball. They’re up 20+ pts, why are you complaining about fouls?
We were way too good to give a roster spot to Bones Hyland
We were way too good to give a roster spot to Bones Hyland
Fill in the fucking blank for that pick, right?
IQ is shining here, at least.
13!!!
It’s fascinating that Malone has left his shitty bench in this game for so long as the lead keeps shrinking.
13
Hilariously sloppy game all around.
Malone biding his time putting Jokic back in for the kill
I have never felt so certain that we will miraculously tie this game and then lose on a dumb Randle turnover.
Yeah, so tonight is another example of why we can’t let Mitch walk.
Hilariously sloppy game all around.
The benches were both trying to outshit each other.
I looked smart saying the answer to that trivia question to my wife right before it was revealed.
When a 24-30 team is down both its centers there is no excuse whatsoever for Taj Gibson doubling the minutes of the team’s most recent lottery pick and I don’t care that Taj has played well. This is one of those insane Thibs things that is simply not worth dealing with.
By the way, no offense to Alec Burks. I like the guy. I really do. He’s just such a waste here.
Seriously, slight fuck you to Michael Malone for calling a timeout up 17 with 1:44 left.
Anybody — down by 17 with 2 minutes left in the second of a back-to-back in the Denver altitude, why are the Knicks starters still in?
The starters sat most of the quarter, so it makes more sense than normal. But yes, it’s absurd that only now that McBride came in.
RJ getting hurt in the final seconds of a blowout would be the most Thibsy thing ever.
Fuck you Tom Thibafuck, put Deuce in with 50 fucking seconds left.
fucking thibs
Brian Cronin:
Seriously, slight fuck you to Michael Malone for calling a timeout up 17 with 1:44 left.
How about Quickley fouling a guy with 18 seconds left?
Uh oh…Barrett hurt?
My wife is being unfair to Thibs right now. I’m not happy with him, either, but I don’t think he looks like a guy who would be legally required to tell people when he moves into their neighborhood. Tsk, tsk, Meredith!
To be fair, how would Tom Thibodeau know it’s a bad idea to leave in crucial players in the waning moments of games that are effectively over? He’s never looked like an idiot for doing that exact thing before.
RJ’s ankle didn’t look bad but him playing was so dumb. Still, we almost lost by 15
thenoblefacehumper:
When a 24-30 team is down both its centers there is no excuse whatsoever for Taj Gibson doubling the minutes of the team’s most recent lottery pick and I don’t care that Taj has played well. This is one of those insane Thibs things that is simply not worth dealing with.
Skipped this game. Just tuning in. This is all I need to know.
you guys were worried about the trade deadline. but i told you coach thibs would find a way to get some desperately needed minutes for new york knick cam reddish
“extremities are part of the game”
From Bing Bong to dumpster fire in 55 games!! So Knicksy! This roster is hopeless and the value of anyone on it is rapidly draining away. It’s the Dolan Curse. Where talent comes to die. And the fact that we haven’t made a trade yet shows that everyone else in the league knows it too.
Really not so bad of a game considering Mitch & Noel were out. At least before the RJ injury. Thibs is going to DRose RJs career
I have such a raging hate on for Thibs right now I don’t have words. I want to beat him to death with RJ’s corpse.
The negativity in here is getting annoying. Goodnight.
DudeInKnicksTown:
The negativity in here is getting annoying. Goodnight.
Dude, you deserve better…
Thibs propensity to keep the starters in–especially in so late on a blowout 2nd night of a b2b–is coaching malpractice and is honestly a fireable offense on the merits if RJ has a significant injury
Thibs propensity to keep the starters in–especially in so late on a blowout 2nd night of a b2b–is coaching malpractice and is honestly a fireable offense on the merits if RJ has a significant injury
He didn’t look too hurt, thank goodness.
Okay, this answer from Thibs is shockingly bad. When asked about why Barrett was still in the game, “He sat most of the fourth, we got it down to 13, and we wanted to see if we could make a run.” That’s obviouslynot the fucking question, dude. Since Randle and others came out of the game by that point, so the question was not why Barrett came back into the game, but rather, why was he still in the game after the Malone timeout.
at least the lakers are getting hammered…
Brian Cronin:
Okay, this answer from Thibs is shockingly bad. When asked about why Barrett was still in the game, “He sat most of the fourth, we got it down to 13, and we wanted to see if we could make a run.” That’s obviouslynot the fucking question, dude. Since Randle and others came out of the game by that point, so the question was not why Barrett came back into the game, but rather, why was he still in the game after the Malone timeout.
Does Thibs not have ANY friends who may have had such a conversation with him in the full decade since DRose got hurt? The guy is infuriating.
We never picked a coherent direction and now we’re pretty much in the precise sweet spot of where you don’t want to be. Not nearly good enough to so much as make the playoffs, let alone do anything interesting in them. Mediocre enough to not have a good pick. Have a worse U24 core than almost all teams worse than us and many teams better than us. Don’t have much in the way of future assets.
After this deadline, there will be very few teams left genuinely making a “push” for a meaningless playoff/play-in spot. It’s pretty much the Kings, the Pelicans, and us. Great company,
The teams that went with the dreaded “build through the draft” strategy that inevitably takes ten years to succeed like the Magic, Thunder, and Rockets will probably be better than us soon, maybe as soon as next year.
Congratulations to everyone who got their jokes in on the Sixers after they were eliminated last year though. All they’ll have to show for the process is *checks notes* Joel Embiid and James Harden, in all likelihood.
KB Apprentice: Skipped this game. Just tuning in. This is all I need to know.
Me too. I’m slowly switching from “Damn, i missed a Knicks game” to “Thank God i missed a Knicks game”. LOL
At least we’re not the only ones accidentanking, Lakers and Nets seem to be doing it too! LOL
Russell Westbrook: “I earned the right to be in closing lineups”
You don’t bench greatness!
cybersoze: At least we’re not the only ones accidentanking, Lakers and Nets seem to be doing it too! LOL
Last 2 weeks a combined record of 4-20, and 2 of the wins were guaranteed since they were playing each other!
Just as we were talking before about how insane Jokic and Embiid have been, Giannis reminds us with a 44 points in 20 shots, 8 assists no turnover evisceration of the Lakers… wow
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Geezers killing it.
For those curious:
Jokers career highs are 50pts/22rebs/18asts
Sims looking good so far
Sims > Jokic
Okay, Sims’ hops > Jokic’s hops
this 2nd unit is ugly now…
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I just don’t see doing nothing this trade deadline as a sign of the flood coming or of horrible climate change. Overall, we’re better under Rose than we were under previous managements. I think we will stay better. The question in my mind is will we get actually, consistently, good. Our management is not showing signs of making big risky deals. Instead they are acting more like the Cleveland path outlined above by Donnie Walsh above. The draft picks aren’t as high, but the basic philosophy is similar. Teams like that often look bad for several years and then suddenly are good one season. I hope it happens to us, but I’m not holding my breath.
IQ got the shot off this time at least
I am at work and can’t watch the game, but since Sims has a remarkably high BPM, I’m not surprised he can look good on the floor.
So, Obi can definitely create his own shot
Bones is clearly too cool.
Cam is definitely too cool for this team.
Sims switched onto Bones, swallowed him up. Unfortunately Bones hit the turn around fall away at the buzzer. Sims can move his feet really damn well though.
Is Bones really IQ and vice versa?
I mean, really. Can the IQ point guard experiment end already?
Did not think Obi was going to catch that one. There’s a reason he’s in the dunk contest.
Bones is…incinerating us
We’re trying to stop one of the 3 best players in the NBA with some combination of Taj Gibson, a 2nd round rookie or some guys who are way too small. Cam has played more minutes than Obi. What are you all complaining about?
I’m kind of hoping we go down by 35 soon so Thibs finally puts McBride in and I can find out if Strat is actually right for the very first time in his life and despite everything I saw in summer league and preseason, Deuce is no point guard.
But I’m super glad Kemba’s in there instead.
Joker hasn’t even been the problem
I want reddish to get lots of minutes over the rest of the season but I don’t really see what people see in him. He could shoot better and become a solid player but I don’t see more “upside” than someone like Grimes or Toppin. He seems stiff with the ball and doesn’t make decisions very quickly.
That might have been one of the most embarrassing strips I’ve ever seen.
Denver could go for 80 in the first half.
Super glad Kemba’s in there.
Meanwhile, Cam Reddit, leading the team with… minus 20.
Kemba doing his best to remain a Knick because nobody is trading for him
Love how Randle just stopped playing and bitched at the refs while Bones was five feet away from him burying an open three.
I’m not saying that it definitely wasn’t a foul by Hyland, but it wasn’t clearly a foul, as the ref could have easily felt that Kemba just flopped there.
if thibs would play our rookies we could laughing about bones dropping a deuce and not worrying whether kemba has life alert
Yeah, like I noted, it wasn’t so obvious that the Knicks should have all given up on the play.
I want to trade Randle but I am fine just buying out Kemba and Gibson and dumping Burks and Noel for a trade exemption or expiring contract. I just want them off the team.
They seem like good guys but Thibs will never prioritize the young players unless we give him no choice.
I’ve embraced no longer caring about these games this season. The Lakers game was the last one.
How about 90?
I checked the score five minutes after Thibs called a timeout and the lead ballooned to twenty. From the box score Cam looks like the anti- Ntilikina. He is athletic and can do fancy stuff that Frank can’t but he ends up with negative plus minuses rather than positive ones.
Part of it is the Knicks’ lack of athleticism, but the other teams play harder than the Knicks almost every game.
Taj can show his grandkids highlights of this game
I mean, the two centerpieces of their defense are missing, so this isn’t too shocking.
Made the right choice to not attend tonight
I should have bet my entire life savings on the Nuggets this was so inevitable
Lots of guys half-assing it tonight.
Almost to the cutoff. Down 26. We need to get down by 9 more and it’s Deuce time.
They might keep them under 80!
OH MY GOD I just looked at the score WTF ? ? ?
wow, rough day in knickland…
hali (our hali) gets shipped out of sacto for sabonis…then, this game against the nuggets…
When struggling you give the ball to your go-to scorer: Taj Gibson.
Hey, we’ve scored 60 in the half! That’s positive! 😀
Taj got buckets for the Joker
Nope, couldn’t keep them under 80.
well, as bad as it looks, at this point – having denver kick the crap out of us, maybe isn’t so bad…
Would be pretty absurd if the front office refused to sell after losing 9 of our last 15 and getting shellacked by every playoff team we faced
Tear it down
Maybe if we lose by 40 they fire Thibs and blow up the team.
This roster and coach are trash.
Tear it down
sad news. you may already be looking at the studs.
https://twitter.com/stevepopper/status/1491247767984885762?s=21
Poor Wally just seems like he doesn’t know what to say
or make of this.
Steve Popper just tweeted that Knicks have shopped just about everyone on team( I assume the vets), especially Fournier, and there are no takers.
I thought we played well in spots. Lol.
No one wants Randle or Fournier at their numbers and the other vets aren’t any good and have no market value. The team’s a disaster. There was a time where I thought Burks might have some value (and he still might), but he’s been awful for like three straight weeks now.
Cam plays like he thinks he’s too good for the rest of the team. There’s an aloofness about him that he can’t back up with good play.
I find it genuinely hard to believe that you couldn’t get someone to bite on Rose or Burks but I guess we’re just a team full of Courtney Lees this year, which is maybe the most depressing thing I’ve ever written
Knick Fan in NJ, we’re usually on the same page but I couldn’t disagree with you more. And while some things are a matter of opinion, I think it’s a stone cold fact that Leon Rose is not taking the Cleveland approach that Donnie Walsh laid out. You don’t hire Tom Thibodeau if you want to draft high for a few years. And you don’t punt on draft picks, either.
For the record, I didn’t say sitting out the deadline is a sign of the flood; I said our overall state of affairs means a flood is coming. We’ve passed the threshold; there’s no undoing this mess. Now we just have to hunker down, hope it doesn’t get worse, and wait for it to pass.
I remember when Atlanta traded with Dallas to get Trae Insteasd of Luka, the consensus here was that also getting Reddish with the extra puck they got wasn’t worth much to Atlanta. So far, that’s looking very correct.
The next step is waiting for this (stupid and misguided) cycle to end and the inevitable rebuild to start yet again. They’re capped out with this terrible roster through next year. And they’ve tuned out the coach.
The most points the Knicks have given up in a half since 1966? Wow.
Looking at this game and this team, a couple of things occurred to me, nothing new, of course, mostly stuff I said when it happened, but I still think it holds true while watching this all fall apart.
1. Last year, the Knicks signed too many guys to one-year deals. There’s little upside in getting Alec Burks to a value contract if you have to then turn around and pay him market value to keep him if he does well. If Burks was refusing to take a second year, then you just don’t sign Alec Burks. Same with Noel.
2. I’ve said it a number of times that I know it would be hard for most GMs to not bring back the team that just got the #4 seed. But most NBA GMs suck, so it doesn’t do much for me to say, “Well, most NBA GMs would have done the same.” I can understand it and feel for Rose in the situation, but at the same time, it is his responsibility to look at the team more realistically and for his approach to be something other than, “This is the team I want for the next two years” right away (remember, the Knicks locked this shit down right away. It was like, “Fuck, we are not risking losing Alec Burks!”).
3. Fluky shit happens and poorly managed teams benefit all of the time. John Hammond is a fairly typical mediocre GM. He was not a great executive in Milwaukee (he won an Executive of the Year award, but it was for stupid reasons, like drafting Brandon Jennings and trading for John Salmons, pushing the Bucks from 34 wins to 46 wins. I have no idea how the fuck he won Executive of the Year for that shit), but he also drafted Giannis and Khris Middleton with a late lottery pick and a second round pick, which is insanely lucky. Jon Horst is an actual good GM, but again, fluky shit happened while Hammond was trying to make the #7 seed every year and Horst had two excellent building blocks to work with. Cleveland kept trying to get the #8 seed and failing and somehow ended up with back-to-back #1 picks, used one on Anthony fucking Bennett and still got lucky enough that Lebron was born in Ohio and wanted to win with them and that second #1 pick could be used to get a third star and they then made four straight NBA Finals. Fluky shit happens. Steve Mills sucked, but he was a torn Achilles away from likely having Durant (despite Durant being a lying liar who lies and saying he was never coming here. You’re lying, dude) and another star in MSG a couple of years ago. Fluky shit. So I totally agree that the Knicks are not guaranteed to be mediocre, but at the same time, they sure ain’t following a fucking three year plan either. That’s just patently false. There’s a general “don’t fuck things up too much and maybe something fluky will happen” deal, but that is not a real plan. Just like signing veteran dudes to one-year deals is not a real plan. It never is.
3. One of the things the Knicks could be doing besides signing mediocre veterans to one-year deals where, if they prove it, they get to stick around as market value guys, is to actually just sign young undrafted free agent guys to longer non-guaranteed deals and if they pan out, the team comes out really well. This is also why you don’t give up draft picks. You use that shit and hope you get lucky instead of signing vets that you have to then lock down for market value if they pay off. “Oh no, we can’t try unproved rookie X, we have to play Alec fucking Burks.” “We can’t sign undrafted guy X, we have to give Taj fucking Gibson a two-year guaranteed contract.” It’s just not smart GMing. That it is better than being Isiah Thomas is meaningless.
4. Thibs is such a poor fit here. Even for his own sake, he’d be better off somewhere else. He’s clearly a talented coach, but a bad fit here, and I thought that when I still thought he was going to Scott Skiles them to 56 meaningless wins this year before getting swept in the first round (okay, maybe a five-game loss).
Bones Hyland would have been a good guy to take with the incinerated pick
“The ship be sinking,” was the famous quote Michael Ray Richardson gave to reporters as the 1981–82 New York Knicks’ season collapsed.”…who on this roster can give us this kind of quality quote in the near future…
83 point eh? Unreal
This is exactly where we are. The next off ramp isn’t til 2023, and it’s going to be a terrible ride there.
And Rose still has to navigate a very tricky situation with RJ.If he messes that up (and all indications are that he will), we won’t have another off ramp til the next regime comes in.
all I can say is unless Leon Rose is in a photo with Zion holding his new Knick Jersey in the next year or two..or by some miralce they draft the next giannis…he’s going down like the rest of the shlubs they’ve run through in the last decade…embarrassing…
Get the fuck back to the huddle, Randle.
BC- that is a lot for a game thread. Great post though!
Hell, Bones McCoy might have been good, too…
JK47, on draft night:
“ There’s no way a front office like this is going to succeed in the long run, they’re fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they simply don’t understand the draft. The scales have fallen from my eyes, I now see that last year was a fluke and we’re going to crash hard. Never hire an agent to be your GM. Brodie Van Wagenen and now this fucking asshole.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”
Come on guys let’s see if we can lose by 15
Playing the Warriors or Nuggets and watching them pass the ball around and cut to the basket is psychologically damaging
We’re on pace to give up 152 points but I think we can do better than that.
Could get ugly in the Garden when they get back home. Another Randle meltdown is a distinct possibility and we’ll probably start hearing the “Fire Thibodeau” chants.
We want deuce! We want deuce!
Well I’m with you that we have to hunker down. I just hope you’re wrong about the flood
Playing the Warriors is also painful because they keep developing scrap heap guys, but the Knicks can’t do that, because you can’t expect scrapheap guys to play better than Alec fucking Burks or Taj fucking Gibson.
I actually think the 1yr deals were smart… if they moved then at the trade deadline. We were under .500 at the time, but close enough that maybe that changed our tactics.
I also don’t think being capped out is bad in and of itself. There just aren’t FA moves like there used to be.
Randle & Fournier are both playing better. Maybe a team will want them in the offseason. I think it’s the years that make them immovable more than the talent level.
Oh, you know what also pissed me off for a totally unfair reason? The Utah announcers calling Burks “AB” throughout the game. He hasn’t played for you for years, you don’t still call him by his nickname you used for him back then!
Brian’s 4 point post above deserves a standing ovation.
Should be it’s own thread but that’s just how BC rolls
Oh sure, that’s fair, but that’s basically “The moves would have been okay if the GM used completely different tactics,” but him not using those tactics is what I’m irked at.
15!
Nuggets are spooked now. We have them right where we want them.
Dammit, the Geezers got it back down to 15. There goes Deuce…
Not to play the “which team would you not trade rosters with?” game again but which team would it be? Maybe the Kings? The Blazers? Can’t think of another team, OKC doesn’t count because they have 10,000 draft picks.
Hyland is the better version of Quickley?
Hence the ellipses, but yes.
I find it difficult to be upset with last year, our best in 10 years (or whatever), long-term consequences be damned.
Cam is -20 in 6 minutes.
The Knicks have been out scored by 41 points in the 21 minutes Cam has played the last two games.
Yeah, gotcha, fair point!
And I agree, I like when they make the playoffs, too, even when I think it was bad for the future of the team. It was still really fun.
Jamychal Green breakout game. Obviously
Taj looking to get ejected?
Hubert I was about to make the same post about Reddish.
Just woof
I like Breen casually throwing some shade, noting that “They can get a shot off, if a Knick player is willing to take it.”
Denver announcers are saying how good Cam is, lol.
They also complain about Taj fouling Jokic everytime Jokic touches the ball. They’re up 20+ pts, why are you complaining about fouls?
We were way too good to give a roster spot to Bones Hyland
Fill in the fucking blank for that pick, right?
IQ is shining here, at least.
13!!!
It’s fascinating that Malone has left his shitty bench in this game for so long as the lead keeps shrinking.
13
Hilariously sloppy game all around.
Malone biding his time putting Jokic back in for the kill
I have never felt so certain that we will miraculously tie this game and then lose on a dumb Randle turnover.
Yeah, so tonight is another example of why we can’t let Mitch walk.
The benches were both trying to outshit each other.
I looked smart saying the answer to that trivia question to my wife right before it was revealed.
When a 24-30 team is down both its centers there is no excuse whatsoever for Taj Gibson doubling the minutes of the team’s most recent lottery pick and I don’t care that Taj has played well. This is one of those insane Thibs things that is simply not worth dealing with.
Burks playing like he wants to be traded
i would too if I was on this team
By the way, no offense to Alec Burks. I like the guy. I really do. He’s just such a waste here.
Seriously, slight fuck you to Michael Malone for calling a timeout up 17 with 1:44 left.
Anybody — down by 17 with 2 minutes left in the second of a back-to-back in the Denver altitude, why are the Knicks starters still in?
The starters sat most of the quarter, so it makes more sense than normal. But yes, it’s absurd that only now that McBride came in.
RJ getting hurt in the final seconds of a blowout would be the most Thibsy thing ever.
Fuck you Tom Thibafuck, put Deuce in with 50 fucking seconds left.
fucking thibs
How about Quickley fouling a guy with 18 seconds left?
Uh oh…Barrett hurt?
My wife is being unfair to Thibs right now. I’m not happy with him, either, but I don’t think he looks like a guy who would be legally required to tell people when he moves into their neighborhood. Tsk, tsk, Meredith!
To be fair, how would Tom Thibodeau know it’s a bad idea to leave in crucial players in the waning moments of games that are effectively over? He’s never looked like an idiot for doing that exact thing before.
RJ’s ankle didn’t look bad but him playing was so dumb. Still, we almost lost by 15
Skipped this game. Just tuning in. This is all I need to know.
you guys were worried about the trade deadline. but i told you coach thibs would find a way to get some desperately needed minutes for new york knick cam reddish
“extremities are part of the game”
From Bing Bong to dumpster fire in 55 games!! So Knicksy! This roster is hopeless and the value of anyone on it is rapidly draining away. It’s the Dolan Curse. Where talent comes to die. And the fact that we haven’t made a trade yet shows that everyone else in the league knows it too.
Really not so bad of a game considering Mitch & Noel were out. At least before the RJ injury. Thibs is going to DRose RJs career
I have such a raging hate on for Thibs right now I don’t have words. I want to beat him to death with RJ’s corpse.
The negativity in here is getting annoying. Goodnight.
Dude, you deserve better…
Thibs propensity to keep the starters in–especially in so late on a blowout 2nd night of a b2b–is coaching malpractice and is honestly a fireable offense on the merits if RJ has a significant injury
He didn’t look too hurt, thank goodness.
Okay, this answer from Thibs is shockingly bad. When asked about why Barrett was still in the game, “He sat most of the fourth, we got it down to 13, and we wanted to see if we could make a run.” That’s obviouslynot the fucking question, dude. Since Randle and others came out of the game by that point, so the question was not why Barrett came back into the game, but rather, why was he still in the game after the Malone timeout.
at least the lakers are getting hammered…
Does Thibs not have ANY friends who may have had such a conversation with him in the full decade since DRose got hurt? The guy is infuriating.
We never picked a coherent direction and now we’re pretty much in the precise sweet spot of where you don’t want to be. Not nearly good enough to so much as make the playoffs, let alone do anything interesting in them. Mediocre enough to not have a good pick. Have a worse U24 core than almost all teams worse than us and many teams better than us. Don’t have much in the way of future assets.
After this deadline, there will be very few teams left genuinely making a “push” for a meaningless playoff/play-in spot. It’s pretty much the Kings, the Pelicans, and us. Great company,
The teams that went with the dreaded “build through the draft” strategy that inevitably takes ten years to succeed like the Magic, Thunder, and Rockets will probably be better than us soon, maybe as soon as next year.
Congratulations to everyone who got their jokes in on the Sixers after they were eliminated last year though. All they’ll have to show for the process is *checks notes* Joel Embiid and James Harden, in all likelihood.
Fire Thibodeau.
For once, E, we are in agreeance.
Me too. I’m slowly switching from “Damn, i missed a Knicks game” to “Thank God i missed a Knicks game”. LOL
At least we’re not the only ones accidentanking, Lakers and Nets seem to be doing it too! LOL
You don’t bench greatness!
Last 2 weeks a combined record of 4-20, and 2 of the wins were guaranteed since they were playing each other!
Just as we were talking before about how insane Jokic and Embiid have been, Giannis reminds us with a 44 points in 20 shots, 8 assists no turnover evisceration of the Lakers… wow