Post Game: Magic beat Knicks, 131-117

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  • [orlandopinstripedpost.com] New York Knicks 117 Orlando Magic 131: Magic hold on for third straight win

    • Full BoxScore:
    http://www.nba.com/games/20181118/NYKORL#/boxscore

    Score by Period:

    Team 1 2 3 4 TOTAL
    Knicks 31 35 26 25 117
    Magic 44 23 31 33 131

    Four Factors

    TEAM eFG TOR ORB FTR
    NYK 0.506 0.121 0.378 0.334
    ORL 0.649 0.136 0.219 0.262

    Simple Box Score

    Name min pts fga 3pm ftm or Reb ast stl to blk pf +/-
    Knox, Kevin 23:26 4 8 0 0 1 2 0 0 1 0 3 -16
    Trier, Allonzo 12:41 7 5 1 2 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 -11
    Robinson, Mitchell 8:42 0 1 0 0 2 2 0 1 0 0 5 -3
    Hardaway Jr., Tim 35:57 32 20 5 9 1 2 2 3 1 0 2 -24
    Mudiay, Emmanuel 22:40 12 8 0 2 1 1 2 0 2 0 3 -21
    Kanter, Enes 37:40 21 16 0 5 8 19 3 0 4 1 3 -4
    Vonleh, Noah 34:32 7 5 1 2 2 9 1 0 2 1 4 -5
    Burke, Trey 29:11 31 20 1 8 1 3 2 2 3 0 2 6
    Dotson, Damyean 13:39 3 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 2 -2
    Ntilikina, Frank 21:31 0 1 0 0 0 2 2 1 0 0 2 10
    Baker, Ron 0:00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Hezonja, Mario 0:00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Knicks 240:00 117 87 8 29 17 42 12 7 14 2 26 -14
    Name min pts fga 3pm ftm or Reb ast stl to blk pf +/-
    Iwundu, Wes 15:20 2 0 0 2 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 21
    Gordon, Aaron 29:26 31 17 4 1 0 1 2 1 4 0 3 13
    Vucevic, Nikola 31:37 28 15 2 6 4 10 9 0 3 2 2 14
    Fournier, Evan 29:34 19 10 2 3 0 4 6 1 3 1 3 19
    Augustin, D.J. 27:39 12 4 2 4 0 3 7 0 2 0 5 17
    Grant, Jerian 4:00 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 3 -1
    Ross, Terrence 22:43 10 13 2 0 0 4 1 0 1 1 1 -9
    Isaac, Jonathan 24:01 16 9 1 3 1 4 3 2 0 1 1 3
    Simmons, Jonathon 22:56 9 9 0 3 0 3 2 1 0 0 2 -5
    Bamba, Mo 16:23 4 6 0 0 1 2 2 0 1 1 3 0
    Briscoe, Isaiah 16:20 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 3 -2
    Birch, Khem 0:00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Martin, Jarell 0:00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Magic 240:00 131 84 13 22 7 35 35 5 15 6 26 14

    14 replies on “Post Game: Magic beat Knicks, 131-117”

    Knox and Ntikilina combined for 4 points in 45 minutes. This is below average production for your last two first round picks. Roll tank roll.

    Orlando has been playing well lately. The Knicks made Gordon look like a superstar .

    The post game was bizarre. They go on about offense isn’t the problem, they need to play defense and then Alan lists the points for THJ, Burke and Kanter and says “they are holding their own the other guys need to step up “

    What the heck is wrong with Klay Thompson? Losing a bunch while surrounded by ass players is probably not going to make KD want some of the Knicks experience.

    Our problem is that we have all one-way players except for KP. Maybe you can add Dotson and Lee to the list, but they are role players. Plus Dotson is not shooting well right now and Lee isn’t part of the future. It’s like playing whack-a-mole. Whatever Fiz does it creates a hole somewhere.

    If would be nice if someone broke out, but right now Frank is basically useless on offense, Robinson is ridiculously raw and limited, and it’s hard to tell what Knox is going to be (but so far he hasn’t impressed me on defense).

    Frank is becoming a real dilemma.

    He’s not a natural PG, but when you put him at the wing he totally disappears on offense because he rarely handles the ball. On the flip side, he’s one of our few good defenders. So we need him on the court. The alternatives are not very good offensive players that are competent on defense. They are mediocre offensive players that are bad on defense. The best lineup may still be with Frank at PG.

    Hardaway would be fine at SG in a lineup with Frank, Dotson, KP and Robinson. But when you start adding guys like Burke, Kanter, Hezonja etc.. it all breaks down.

    IMO, Klay Thompson is simultaneously underrated and overrated. He’s way more valuable than the box score models give him credit for. His role on that team is to create space, score efficiently, and play lock down defense. He’s great at that. However, he’s great in his role on offense because he’s playing with several great playmakers and scorers and gets to play off them. He wouldn’t be as effective as a #1 or even #2 option on another team.

    His shooting slump this year is just noise.

    As bad as Frank is on offense at PG, he’s totally useless on offense at the wing. He’s too bad on offense to play unless the rest of the team is stacked with offense, but he’s one of our few good defenders. It’s quite a dilemma.

    I don’t think it’s a dilemma. He’s a 20 year old with potential on a terrible team. You play him 25-30 minutes a game.

    Also, orlando looks like they might be half decent this year, but letting them score 131 is pretty sorry

    In fairness, the Magic have been scoring pretty heavy lately. Over 100 in the last 10 games, and 8 of those 10 were 110+…….2 being against us, but that’s beside the point.

    Question: is a player that is #1 in the league in defense but dead last in the league in offense playable on a winning team in this day and age? I’m thinking the answer is no, which doesn’t bode well for Frank, who is simply the latter at this point (as he needs to basically double his offensive productivity just to be as bad as Andre Roberson).

    I think he is playable as a backup, or on a starting set with other players who are strong scorers, but it definitely would help if he did better.

    The alternatives are not very good offensive players that are competent on defense. They are mediocre offensive players that are bad on defense. The best lineup may still be with Frank at PG.

    Trey Burke is by far our best offensive PG. After an horrific start to the season, he’s regressing to the mean, i.e. efficient scoring (his TS% in November is up over 57%) good-to-great mid-range shooting (his % on long 2’s is up to 45% after a terrible start), a high ast-to ratio, and an ability to get to the rim. His 3pt% is at a career low right now so that should also regress to the mean and lift his TS% over .600. So the alternative is a very good offensive PG who is terrible on D. And the stats say that Burke right now is the lesser of two evils by far. the +/- numbers paint an especially very ugly picture for Frank.

    And there is little statistical evidence to suggest that Frank is playing well defensively. His DBPM is -1.1 (bad) his DRtg is 115 (horrific), his DWS are 0.2 (same as Timmy and Hezonja, lower than Kanter) and his steal rate, while 2nd on the team, is lower that Mudiay’s.

    Andre Roberson never had even close to a negative DBPM. Dejounte Murray’s was 3.4 in his 2nd year.

    Frank is statistically one of the worst rotation players in the league right now. But keep squinting!

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