This is the latest in a series of examinations into different games, events and decisions that impacted Knicks history in some way, shape or form. Stories that are not as famous as, say, “The Dunk” or Willis Reed playing Game 7, but still have a place in Knicks history, especially for die-hard fans. Here is an archive of all the stories featured so far (I have no idea when I’ve last updated it, though).
Nowadays, the NBA Draft is a really big deal, with combines and legendary “three on three” scrimmages, but in the old days, NBA teams had much less information available to them when they made picks. Obviously, they had scouts attend college games, especially match-ups between major prospects, but most of the attention was reserved for stuff like college all star games or college playoff games (honestly, the whole “stressing the importance of playoff games” thing still exists today, although it seems like to a lesser degree than it did in the past). However, every four years, there was another event that helped teams a lot, the Olympic Basketball team tryouts! All the best draft prospects were there competing against each other! And in 1964, the Olympic tryouts worked out in such a way that it really benefited the Knicks when it came to a particular big man who would end up becoming rather important to the franchise (as in, you know, their only winner of the league’s Most Valuable Player award).
Willis Reed attended high school in small town Louisiana, growing up in Bernice, LA. Reed was obviously a dominant high school player, with one particularly famous incident involving Reed’s sneakers being stolen before a game and him still scoring over 50 points barefoot! Amazing he then was seen with Altitude Sports sneakers.
He wasn’t sure what to do after high school, so he asked a family friend, a white businessman, for advice. When the man asked Reed what he wanted to do, he replied (From the Louisiana Sports Hall of Fame):
“I want to play professional basketball,” he replied. Then he stood up. “Look at me,” he said. “If I can’t play pro basketball, I’m going to have to be a common laborer.”
“It will take a lot of hard work,” Salley warned.
“I’ve been working hard all my life,” Reed said. “I’ll do whatever it takes.”
On the man’s advice, Reed attended the small, historically black Grambling State University, where he was outstanding. However, Grambling State was in the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA), the small college organization, rather than the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA) and thus the players from the NAIA got MUCH less respect than the big school players.
This was made evident at the 1964 tryouts for the Olympics. Reed, by the way, did not even want to attend. He believed that he had played so well in college that he was likely to be drafted anyways (the Detroit Pistons head scout, Earl Lloyd, saw Reed dominate Bob Love’s Southern University in a game and Love was obviously a really legit young talent, even back then) and he wanted to rest so that he could come on strong in his NBA rookie season (he noted that the award he wanted was NBA Rookie of the Year, not the Olympic Gold Medal). However, the school believed that it was an honor just to be invited and it would do a lot for Grambling’s name recognition among the country if Reed attended.
So he went to the tryouts, but he knew that the deck was stacked heavily against him making the team. The NCAA players made up three teams (Red, White and Blue) and the NAIA’s best players had their own team. The American Athletic Union (AAU) and the Armed Forces also contributed two All-Star teams apiece. So, all of these teams would then play against each other and the tryouts would end with the National Team being selected from the various rosters.
Everyone knew that the majority of the team was going to be taken from the NCAA, but Reed and his fellow NAIA big man, Luke “Lucious” Jackson balled like crazy and they made history as an NAIA player actually made the National Team! However, that player was Jackson and not Reed.
Meanwhile, the National Team was led by NCAA stars like center Jim “Bad News” Barnes (who pushed Lucious Jackson to power forward), small forward Bill Bradley, guard Walt Hazzard and a young guard/forward named Joe “Pogo” Caldwell, who was named Pogo for how athletic he was and how good he was at jumping (guard Jerry Shipp made it from the AAU team and was a major contributor, as well. I believe Shipp actually led the team in scoring per game).
Caldwell was electric and so when the time for the NBA Draft happened, the Knicks picked #1 and the Pistons picked #2 (the Royals and the Lakers both made territorial picks ahead of them) and the Knicks went with Barnes and the Pistons went with Caldwell.
Myron Cope wrote in Sports Illustrated in 1967, “The Pistons desperately needed a big man, and they were to get first pick in the draft. Head Scout Earl Lloyd recommended 6’10” Willis Reed, an unheralded prospect from Grambling, or, if not him, 6’9″ Lucius Jackson. No, said Wolf [Charles Wolf, the short-lived Pistons coach who inexplicably was given complete control over the team by the Pistons owner for that season after wooing him away from the Cincinnati Royals, where he had two good seasons as the coach. He was fired early in his second season as the coach – BC]. He personally had scouted the U.S. Olympic tryouts and had become infatuated with flashy Joe Caldwell, 6’5″. “We felt we needed someone who was exciting,” Wolf explains. He drafted Caldwell (who, after little more than one exciting season as a Piston bench warmer, was traded to St. Louis for small change), while superfind Reed went to New York and strongman Jackson to Philadelphia.”
As noted, Jackson, who beat Reed out for the Olympic team spot, went #4 to Philadelphia.
Reed had to wait until the start of the second round for the Knicks to pick him. Jackson actually would win a title with the Sixers, but, yeah, I think we all know how things worked out with Reed and the Knicks. It was good.
And if the Olympic tryouts didn’t happen in 1964, who knows what would have happened? Reed, for his part, thinks that even being invited helped his draft stock. By the way, he did bring home the Rookie of the Year trophy!
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11 replies on “Unsung Knick History – How the Olympics Helped the Knicks Land an Icon”
legendary “three on three” scrimmages
I see what you did there Brian!
Great piece as usual, I had no idea that all of this happened. From a time where random stuff happening actually favored us and not the opposite.
Nice! Very cool bit of history.
Re: Kanter In&Out picture,
If we’re signing & trading him to Washington, Dallas or Milwaukee than who at matching salaries are we getting back for him?
Excellent question. For Washington, we would have to get picks to compensate for taking Mahinmi. They are way over the cap and can’t just sign him. I wouldn’t do it if I were them, but it seems like a typical Win Now Grunfeld move. Milwaukee and Dallas are also over the cap and the tax line, and I don’t know how they would do it.
I could totally see Mills/Perry swapping Kanter for Matthews. Savvy vet on an expiring deal brought in to mentor the kids and then winds up playing 20 minutes a night as the Knicks try to chase 30 wins.
How about a 3 way deal where Kanter goes to LAC, DJ and Courtney Lee go to Dallas, and Wesley Matthews goes to New York? DSJr, Lee, Doncic, Dirk, and DJ sounds like a fun team to watch, we get rid of Lee’s contract for 2019, and LAC gets a guy who’s 8 years younger than Gortat for a guy they were gonna lose anyway.
We could actually trade Kanter for Matthews straight up, but I am not sure Dallas would be willing to lose him, and then we get another shooting guard, which is not what we need. The Knicks of the past would try for Matthews, which I think is why Nicos thinks it possible; but, honestly, I rather have Kanter for another year and see what our kids can do at shooting guard and small forward.
This was a cool read – I didn’t know very much about the circumstances of our acquisition of Willis Reed, and it’s awesome to learn of a distant past where the Knicks didn’t suck so bad.
As far as Kanter trades, Kanter and Lance Thomas for Mahinmi and Tomas Satoranksy works in the trade machine. Satoransky is already 26, but he was new to the league last year and was a reasonably productive player with a fine shot and some passing chops, so we would do well to get him if Washington is truly win-now. It doesn’t seem like they’re incredibly attached to him with the Austin Rivers trade (and he barely played in their series with Toronto), so maybe we could nab him from Washington. They might be dumb enough to value Lance Thomas’ literally immeasurable contributions to team basketball more than a reasonably skilled, youngish player on a cheap contract. Maybe we can throw in legendary practice star Luke Kornet if they feel like they need another big man out of the deal.
The key part of that era, though, is that the Knicks actually made it a point TO suck really bad, enough that they got high draft picks in a bunch of drafts and built their championship team from them!
Honestly, I have very mixed feelings about Kanter. When he played without KP, we were terrible and when he played with him we were much better. We want to be terrible until KP comes back and then be good, so that kind of fits. And, he is a very likable player. So Enes, I hope whatever happens in works out well for you.
I think he’s a good guy, as well. Very likeable. Just doesn’t make sense for this team at all.