Knicks Morning News (2018.06.24)

  • [NYDN] U.S. Navy pilot dies in New Mexico crash
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 3:10:00 AM)

    The New York state native pilot of a U.S. Navy plane has died after a crash near his base in New Mexico.

    Lt. Christopher Carey Short, from Canandaigua, was flying a training mission in New Mexico on Friday when his A-29 crashed near Holloman Air Force Base.

    A second pilot received only minor injuries,…

  • [NYDN] Kentucky police arrest naked man who says he ‘may be Jesus’
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:40:00 AM)

    JOHNSON FORK, Ky. — An Indiana man has been arrested in Kentucky after police found him naked in a stranger’s yard declaring he might be Jesus.

    The Kentucky New Era reports a homeowner called police to report a naked man behind his house. The homeowner told police the naked man took some things…

  • [NYDN] How to bring back mom and pop: NYC commercial rents are out of control; here’s how to restore sanity
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    We all know what it looks like. The blocks of empty storefronts, covered in graffiti, “FOR LEASE” signs in the windows for months and years on end. It’s called high-rent blight, and it’s the latest phase of a hyper-gentrification process that has been pushing small businesses out of the city as…

  • [NYDN] Hurt by hate, fighting for pride
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    As a bespectacled gay black nerd growing up in a rough Houston neighborhood, I’d been a target for bullies since I was 6. I learned the hard way how to spot the cautionary signs.

    This time was different. I was walking one sweaty summer night back in 1996 near the Houston Museum District, not the…

  • [NYDN] Police officer fatally shoots man as he stabbed his mother
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:45:00 AM)

    ALBANY, N.Y. — A police officer in Albany shot and killed a man who was in the act of stabbing his mother, authorities said.

    Officers investigating reports of a person with a weapon late Friday night heard a woman screaming behind the locked door of a home.

    Police said the officers broke the front…

  • [NYDN] Erdogan seeks to cement power in Turkey’s high-stakes votes
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:35:00 AM)

    ANKARA, Turkey — Turkey held high-stakes presidential and parliamentary elections on Sunday that could consolidate President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s hold on power or curtail his vast political ambitions.

    Voters flocked to polling centers to cast ballots in an election that will complete Turkey’s…

  • [NYDN] Patton he ain’t: Imagining Trump’s trade war speech to the nation
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    The first salvo by President Trump: tariffs on foreign washing machines and solar panels. Then came huge levies on imported aluminum and steel, under the preposterous pretext they were necessary to defend America’s national security.

    For each presidential action, there’s been an equal and opposite…

  • [NYDN] A healthy challenge: Incumbent members of Congress feel the heat from young contenders
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    Polls open this coming sleepy summer Tuesday just for congressional primaries. Turnout, at least in the city’s safe Democratic districts, will be abysmal, and that’s just fine with the powers that be.

    So hand it to a crop of young challengers for rousing comfortable incumbents to show voters why…

  • [NYDN] Bill would allow immigrants in New York facing deportation to choose legal guardian for their kids
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    ALBANY — Undocumented immigrant parents facing possible deportation from New York would be able to choose a guardian to care for their kids under a bill that won final approval in the Legislature last week.

    The bill would expand the standby guardianship law created in the 1980s during the AIDS…

  • [NYDN] Gov. Cuomo moves to bolster protections for transgender New Yorkers ahead of possible Obamacare repeal
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Seeking to blunt the effects of a potential Obamacare repeal, Gov. Cuomo is rolling out measures to protect transgender New Yorkers’ access to health care.

    Cuomo will announce Sunday that he’s directing state health officials to issue a regulation requiring all New York hospitals to update their…

  • [NYDN] Walking the walk: The truth about distracted pedestrians
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    Researchers observed 3,038 people ambling across crosswalks in New York City and Flagstaff, Ariz. (um, okay) and exploded a myth: Distracted walking is hardly ever to blame when cars hit pedestrians.

    Turns out, no matter how many people might be enraptured in a device while strolling around the…

  • [NYDN] City turns over reports of arrests inside homeless shelters following Daily News expose
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    The city released thousands of pages of incident reports Friday to state overseers, documenting everything from assaults to drug dealing to arrests inside homeless shelters.

    The release followed a Daily News expose in May documenting how the city Department of Homeless Services had stopped reporting…

  • [NYDN] City Council Speaker Johnson endorses Gov. Cuomo’s reelection
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    City Council Speaker Corey Johnson is endorsing Gov. Cuomo’s reelection to a third term.

    Cuomo has made New York “the progressive beacon for the nation” by pushing for gay marriage, guaranteeing transgender people access to health care and prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender identity,…

  • [NYDN] Trump administration says it knows location of all children separated at border
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:30:00 AM)

    Trump administration officials say the U.S. government knows the location of all children in its custody after separating them from their families at the border and is working to reunite them.

    A fact sheet on “zero-tolerance prosecution and family reunification” released Saturday night by the Department…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off on carriage horses, Bill de Blasio and immigration
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    Long Island City: Re Jessica Scott-Reid’s “Montreal is ending its horse-carriage industry; why won’t New York?” (Op-Ed, June 20): I found myself nodding and agreeing through every single point she made! Why on Earth do we still have horse-drawn carriages in New York in 2018? The answer is so very…

  • [NYDN] Man shot dead while camping with daughters in California
    (Sunday, June 24, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    CALABASAS, Calif. — Authorities say a man has been shot to death while camping with his two young daughters at a Southern California campground.

    The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department says the man was in a tent with the girls when he was shot in the upper chest shortly before 5 a.m. Friday…

  • [NYDN] Brothers sentenced in $1.4M welfare fraud scheme at grocery store
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:30:00 PM)

    PORTLAND, Maine — Two brothers accused of a massive welfare fraud scheme at a Portland grocery store have been sentenced to federal prison.

    The Bangor Daily News reports that 41-year-old Ali Ratib Daham of Westbrook pleaded guilty in November to conspiracy to defraud the United States government,…

  • [NYDN] EXCLUSIVE: Long Island town bans FDNY charity volleyball game after firefighters turned beach into toilet
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:00:00 PM)

    A Long Island town just spiked a longstanding FDNY volleyball game over firefighters’ appalling lack of beach etiquette.

    Bravest members participating in the annual event on June 13 took it upon themselves to erect a temporary tiki bar on the public sands of Long Beach — complete with a rustic…

  • [NYDN] Hunt for 1980s Massachusetts ‘Highway Serial Killer’ led to dead end
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:00:00 PM)

    On July 3, 1988, a woman stopped to relieve herself along the side of a Massachusetts highway and opened the first page of a mystery. In the brush along the road, she spotted what looked like human skeletal remains with a bra wrapped around the neck.

    An autopsy of the badly decomposed female corpse…

  • [NYDN] Brooklyn man accused of chopping off his wife’s arm arrested near Niagara Falls
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:35:00 PM)

    A Brooklyn man wanted for chopping off his pregnant wife’s arm was busted in Niagara Falls Saturday, police said.

    Yong Lu, 35, was arrested by local cops outside the One Niagara building around 7:45 p.m., the Niagara Gazette reported.

    Lu is accused of using a steak knife to hack off spouse Li Yang’s…

  • [NYDN] Latino writers tackle immigration abuse, violence through poetry
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:15:00 PM)

    Latino writers from far and wide were in New York to share their work and the struggles their communities face in the U.S. immigration policy.

    A literary retreat on Friday and Saturday at Columbia University was hosted by CantoMundo, a national organization dedicated to Latino poets.

    For José Antonio…

  • [NYDN] Han Solo’s Blaster from ‘Return of the Jedi’ sold for $550G at auction
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:00:00 PM)

    LAS VEGAS — Han Solo’s Blaster from the “Return of the Jedi” has sold for $550,000 at a Las Vegas auction.

    Julien’s Auctions says Ripley’s Believe It or Not bought the item Saturday.

    The sci-fi weapon was the top-selling item at the Hollywood Legends auction.

    The blaster was part of a collection…

  • [NYDN] Bronx man killed after accidentally shooting himself while playing with gun
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 9:50:00 PM)

    A young Bronx man died after he accidentally shot himself in the chest Saturday evening, police sources said.

    Robert Williams was found on the ground on Watson Ave. near Ward Ave. in Soundview with a gunshot wound to his chest just after 5 p.m., according to cops.

    Williams, 18, was playing with…

  • [NYDN] English bulldog Zsa Zsa wins 2018 World’s Ugliest Dog contest
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 9:25:00 PM)

    PETALUMA, Calif. — A 9-year-old English bulldog was named the winner of the 2018 World’s Ugliest Dog contest in the San Francisco Bay Area.

    Zsa Zsa won the title Saturday in the competition where dogs with hairless bodies and lolling tongues flaunt their imperfections.

    The dogs walk down a red…

  • [NYDN] Parkland shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz told student ‘get out of here’ while loading gun during school massacre
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — A freshman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School told investigators he encountered shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz in a stairwell as he was loading his AR-15 rifle and was told, “you better get out of here,” according to police interview transcripts released Friday.


  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks projected to get Duke-bound athletic freak Zion Williamson in 2019 Draft
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 8:18:47 PM)

    The latest 2019 mock draft from has the Knicks getting 6-foot-6 Duke freshman Zion Williamson.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Fizdale on playing time: ‘I’m not handing out nothing’
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:10:09 AM)

    Knicks head coach David Fizdale isn’t going to just hand out minutes.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks’ Knox reveals Porzingis’ advice to being booed
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:25:51 AM)

    Knicks first-round pick Kevin Knox revealed that Kristaps Porzingis called him on FaceTime after he was drafted.

  • [NYPost] Knicks taking a chance on Arizona guard after two bans
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 9:35:23 PM)

    Ostarine is partly the reason Arizona junior shooting guard Allonzo Trier is expected to be a Knick this season. The Knicks plan to sign the 6-foot-5 Trier to a two-way contract in July, and he would play on the summer league team. Trier went undrafted Thursday after a college career marred by testing positive twice…

  • [NYPost] Kevin Knox’s goal for first Knicks season posted on bedroom wall
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 8:26:30 PM)

    Knicks first-round draft pick Kevin Knox takes his first shot at some Q&A with Post columnist Steve Serby. Q: Do you burn to be great? A: Yes. That’s why I love this game, that’s why I play this game, that’s the goal. I want to be great. I want to have my name up in…

  • [NYPost] Mitchell Robinson pick puts one Knick’s future in doubt
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 4:40:10 PM)

    The drafting of 7-footer Mitchell Robinson in the second round Thursday has put 7-foot-1 center Luke Kornet’s future in flux, according to sources. Kornet was on a two-way contract last season after being undrafted last June and the Knicks have extended a qualifying offer for another two-way deal ahead of his restricted-free agency. If another…

  • [NYPost] High school coach sheds light on enigma of Knicks’ second pick
    (Saturday, June 23, 2018 3:39:44 PM)

    Chalmette (La.) High School coach Butch Stockton may have concerns for his former player’s first summer league game in Las Vegas as the Knicks’ new 7-foot center Mitchell Robinson gets into game shape. Robinson, selected by the Knicks in the second round Thursday with the 36th pick in the NBA draft, hasn’t played a 5-on-5…

  • 63 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.06.24)”

    Some guy named Len Robbins who’s got a lot of followers said in an article that Enes is expected to opt out. Does he have info that Enes is about to secure a contract something like 4 yr/40 to 45m? Mavs maybe?

    I wonder if re-signing KOQ to something like 13m for 1 YEAR using his Bird rights might be the best strategy. Dolan doesn’t care about the money and it would give us a lot of flexibility. There are many factors which make flexibility important: whether KOQ sustains his high level of play, how Kornet and Mitch play, KP’s recovery and ability/willingness to play more minutes at the 5, Kyrie’s interest in NYK tied to ability to unload Courtney’s contract, Noah situation. Depending on how all of that plays out, next summer we could choose to: (1) not re-sign KOQ or (2) re-sign him to a 3-year deal at 5m/yr using Bird rights or (3) re-sign him to a 3-year deal @ 5m/yr using room exception (if we need cap to sign Kyrie) or (4) include him in a mid-season trade like Kawhi or (5) S&T him at end of year. The large 1-year deal might be attractive to KOQ as well.

    I would have selected Mikal – Knox would have been my 2nd choice.

    (1) My position at the start was that we wanted a higher floor guy like Carter or Mikal; we weren’t in that dire a situation that we needed to swing for the fences. Guys like Kyrie and Kawhi are showing what appears to be real interest in Knicks and other stars will in the future.
    (2) All but one of the models at have Mikal in their top 10 and the most predictive model over a long period is “Advanced Consensus” which ranks him 8th just after Carter. That bodes well for him having a high floor.
    (3) I gave weight to DX’s view on Knox but looking through their history they’ve been all over the place in their rankings reinforcing my belief that judging potential in any range (9-15 here) is a crap shoot. However, judging Mikal’s floor this draft rates to be more accurate.
    (4) Knox’s meh stats at EYBL weakens the argument that it was just a Kentucky thing. He’s hasn’t distinguished himself at any level other than vanilla high school play.
    (5) Fiz had a lot input into Knox selection. He implied in press conf that he didn’t think THJ/Courtney were good choices to play the 3. I think he really wanted a 3/4 type on the roster and may have viewed Mikal as more of an SG. Given the logjam we already have at the 2, that would have been a problem. All of that probably impacted how he viewed Knox in the workout and just in general.
    (6) I put Knox 2nd because nobody jumped out at me from the group of Miles, SGA, Zhaire, etc. He appears to be a smart kid, very self-aware of what he needs to work on. He wasn’t a very good shooter in high and made tremendous strides when he worked on that. Improved handle when focused on it. His floater, his improving shooting and ability to shoot off motion suggest he might be a natural scorer. imo that’s a better bet than others.

    The way it all worked out it’s kind of frustrating when you realize NYK’s, had they chosen Mikal, probably could have ended with #16 pick/Miami 1st/Melton/Robinson. That would have been an A+ draft. I keep looking at that Noah/5m cash for Parsons/#32 and wonder why that didn’t happen. It was the perfect storm in terms of both teams having terrible contracts and a deal being there. Grizz would have netted 15m for a 2nd round pick and Noah would have been better for them than Parsons/rook if they were trying to eke into playoffs. Dolan wouldn’t have cared about the 15m. Once Melton (who was ranked 10-20 by a lot of scouts) dropped, that trade should have happened. Even now it might be worth it to offer them Noah/2.5m for Parsons/Carter.

    So Robinson and Trier both have checkered stories. Trier seems like he should have been draft-worthy…shot very well, 40 inch vertical, what’s the red flag? As to Robinson, when’s the last time a guy was drafted this high based on such limited info?

    I read something about PEDs and Trier. His and Robinson’s issues don’t bother me because I think you swing for the fences on certain players in the 2nd round/signing 2-way guys and don’t lose sleep if they don’t work out. Plus if anyone could get through to these guys, it might be Fiz and Craig Robinson. I listened to a long pod where Fiz described his upbringing in tough LA neighborhood. I think a relative of his was killed and I remember him describing diving under cars amidst gang-related gunshots. I get why Fiz might grate on a 30yo+ vet like Gasol but he’s perfect for our team at this stage. I could also imagine Craig Robinson putting Obama on the phone to talk to Trier and Mitchell to try to set them straight. I think it’s real when the team says they’re focused on developing the player and the man.

    BTW the term “intriguing” is used way too often but it fits Mitchell Robinson to a tee.

    Trier was suspended for testing positive for a PED this past season. Not sure what to make of that but if there was a perceived red flag I imagine that had a lot to do with it. My choice of the UDFA bunch assuming we could only have one would’ve been Gary “most productive player in the NCAA” Clark, but I think Trier was a perfectly good choice. The steals and rebounds aren’t where you want them to be, but his 2P% has always been pretty good for a guard so I think there’s a decent chance his driving threat is good enough to make the 3PT shot a legitimate NBA weapon.

    I love De’Anthony Melton, but seeing as how he might just be the NCAA version of Frank Ntilikina I can’t blame the front office for going with Robinson instead. If he pans out to the fullest extent I think he could be exactly the kind of front court player a lot of us have said Porzingis could desperately use (low usage high efficiency scorer, elite rebounder). At the very least I think he’ll return value relative to his draft pick.

    I’ve been trying for days to find reasons to be hopeful for Knox and have pretty much come up dry. So that’s too bad.

    Good commentary this AM Zanzibar. Nice to have something to read in this lull before summer league.

    I agree with most of what you said about Mikal, except that I don’t see him as a 2 and I doubt that the Knicks FO saw him that way. He’s more of a prototypical 3 and D wing, I think Trevor Ariza is a great comp, although Mikal will be a better shooter out of the box but not quite as explosive. That’s a really valuable player at #9, and definitely the surest bet to make an immediate impact of all the available players. As has been pointed out, every other player still there had question marks.

    One other possibility might be to offer Noah/ X? cash for Parsons/McLemore/Carter. McLemore’s been terrible but is an expiring contract; we would waive him right after deal. That would mean 15m to Grizz not even including any cash. A couple of scouts are high on Jevon Carter (and our own ptmilo if my memory serves me) so maybe it’s worth it. Front office is very sensitive to cap and Parsons would add about 3m to 2019 cap if waived-and-stretched versus Noah. Kyrie is the only player worth signing in 2019 and we’d be able to find a way to make that work if he wants to be here. Heck, we might finally be able to trade Courtney if we include Jevon Carter and/or 2nd round pick(s) in a dump to team that’s got enough free cap.

    My problem with using workouts to make big decisions is that 3-on-3 is not anything like 5-on-5 game action. You can’t judge things like court awareness and decision-making accurately when the game is dumbed down that much. And those are areas where Knox seemed deficient.

    “As to Robinson, when’s the last time a guy was drafted this high based on such limited info?”

    Kevin Knox?

    A guy named Darko once had a great workout, too. To me this closes the book on great workouts vs actual b-ball production.

    The draft plan this year was to take the players with the highest ceilings when we were on the clock. At 9, Kevin Knox had the highest ceiling. I know we put a lot of weight on college production, and that’s a smart thing to do, but I always take what happens at Kentucky with a grain of salt. Coach Calipari started the Harrison Twins over Devin Booker. This guy had Devin Booker, Willy Cauley Stein, Trey Lyles, and Karl Anthony Towns and couldn’t beat Sam Dekker and Frank Kaminsky in a Final Four game. Coach K beat that same team with Jahlil Okafor, Justise Winslow, Grayson Allen, and Tyus Jones. John Wall, Eric Bledsoe, and DeMarcus Cousins weren’t enough for him to win a championship, either. So Knox wasn’t the most productive, but it took Calipari a third of the season to realize SGA was his best guard.

    I’m not saying Knox was the right pick, that the Knicks know what they’re doing, or anything like that. I’m saying if you’re going to take a shot on a kid, picking a guy who was misused by John Calipari is a good place to start. It’s also apparent what the Knicks plan was this year: sell out on upside and let Fizdale and Craig Robinson make you look like a genius in three years. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn’t, but the thought process is there and I don’t mind it. It was also important for them to get high character guys into the program, and while I’m not sure about Robinson, Knox seems like a great kid. Having the work ethic and character to improve is probably the most important factor when you’re committing to a high upside player.

    Am I looking at the numbers wrong or will the Knicks have enough cap room for 2 max players in 2019?

    Is this true that Knox was played at SG last year? I’m not sure it is, but I can’t imagine him doing well chasing smaller shooters around screens.

    Am I looking at the numbers wrong or will the Knicks have enough cap room for 2 max players in 2019?

    No we’d have about 30m if:
    – let KP go through RFA process (17m hold) or agree to max him after sign everyone (17m hold)
    – waive-and-stretch Noah
    – keep Courtney (whether by design or not able to find trade)
    – don’t re-sign KOQ
    – presume 2019 pick is #5
    – do not renounce Burke and Kornet minimal cap holds

    Here is LINK to Capulator result. You could do some “what-ifs” like:
    – If we managed to dump Courtney and don’t re-sign KOQ, we’d have about 42m.
    – If we dumped Courtney and re-signed KOQ @6m/yr, we’d have about 36m.

    If Kanter opts our i’d At least look at players this summer. randle, Parker, Hezonja. We can probably sign one of those and still have one max slot next summer if we think we can trade lee and stretch Noah. Not a lot of teams have space this summer so there may be bargains to be had…

    So I’ve been doing my own research into Mitchell Robinson, and I think he’s going to be a KnickerBlogger favorite. He’s a super athletic guy whose game is all dunks, rebounds, and blocking shots. He can shoot 3s in a pinch, but once he puts on some strength that kid is a starter in the NBA. You want to see a kid dominate inferior competition and that’s exactly what he did; 90% of his film is just unfair abuse of kids who can’t get a lay up because he’s on the floor.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"says:


    well, RPM wins actually includes on/off so you are welcome pick that one. yes, of course, summary stats are highly imperfect. you know else imperfect? bullshit. and by that i mean words that cascade out of people’s mouths with infinite degrees of freedom.

    but look. if you think summary stats are arbitrary you would be even MORE excited to make this bet. because the best is structured such that you win all toss-ups and the entire bottom part of the distribution.

    I’m not sure where any of this is coming from.

    1. I never said that boxscore stats are “arbitrary”. I believe the game is more complex than boxscore stats alone can capture. If it wasn’t, all the boxscore models would produce very similar results & all the elite coaches & organizations would always play the highest rated players. Obviously, something is amiss because neither is true. In some cases, it’s wildly false.

    Of course stating that is not the same as saying they are useless. It’s not black or white (although “grey” is a color that seems to be lost on young people nowadays).

    2. One can think using boxscore stats ALONE is problematical for discussing players because people use different models and also think they are a useful tool in the toolbox that requires other stats and sometimes a subjective analysis to get closer to reality. Some people seek mathematical certainty, but sometimes it’s not available, at least not yet.

    3. As to Mikal & Dotson, I’m really not sure where you are coming from. I’ve been saying all along that I’d WAY rather have Mikal than Dotson. So what are we betting? That we agree? lmao

    All I’ve said is that they are a similar profile as players in terms of strengths, weaknesses, & position.
    That’s why I used the term “rich man’s Dotson to describe Mikal”. Mikal is a better version of Dotson as a opposed to Knox who has a totally different skillset &amp plays 3/4 not 2/3.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"says:

    I find it hard to believe that Kanter will opt out. I understand his desire to get a long term contract and could imagine him giving up some current money for more long term money, but it’s still hard for me to imagine a negative defensive center that doesn’t stretch the floor getting a lot of money in this environment. His profile is out of favor.

    More interesting is that O’Quinn has supposedly expressed an interest in the Warriors.

    Kyle O Quinn on the warriors would be literally unfair. His WS/48 would inflate to .200+ and his BPM would break 5. He’d be their best center since healthy Bogut.

    I’d love to see my guy KO in Golden State. He’s an excellent passer, rebounder, defender, and he’s an efficient scorer. I’d love to keep him home but if not, go be a winner in Golden State.

    KOQ should go win a ring. Him leaving guarantees us a top 3 pick next year.

    Next year’s draft is really a one player draft. RJ Barrett is the trophy and any outcome where the Knicks don’t position themselves to land him next June is an unacceptable one. Let’s trade Courtney Lee, let Enes Kanter walk, and start Burke, Hardaway Jr, Lance Thomas, Kevin Knox, and Mitchell Robinson. Make sure Mudiay plays 2800 minutes, and boom. 15 win season and top odds to land RJ Barrett.

    Why does it matter if Kanter or O’Quinn sign with the Knicks, or anywhere? We are tanking, right? KP isn’t hitting the floor until 2019, right? If we win 20 games next season, it’s 5 too many, right?

    Re: “Been doing my own research” and “watched film”…

    Yeah, we all read the same articles and viewed the same youtube videos on Robinson that you did. Yeah he’s super athletic and flunked out of Western Kentucky. I can’t wait to see him either, but don’t front like you’re Jerry West or something.

    15 win season and top odds to land RJ Barrett.

    Not quite. The odds are equal for the top 3 seeded teams and have improved for many of the lower seeded teams. Tankathon’s got us seeded #2 at the moment. Go to and start using the 2019 simulator. Things ain’t the way they used to be. We have less than a 50-50 chance (about 40%) of landing a top 3 pick. We should have been tanking this past season. Had we finished at #5 we’d have Doncic.

    @29 I actually go a little further than the normal “reads articles” and 5-6 minute YouTube clips. I watch interviews, look back at whole game tape on the internet whether it be his EYBL games, high school all star games, workout videos, instagram clips, and basically anything that has to do with Mitchell Robinson. He’s not the most articulate kid, but it’s false that he flunked out of WKU. He left campus and that broke school rules so he was suspended from the team. From there is where he decided to leave school and workout by himself.

    So no, I’m not Jerry West and I never claimed to be, but I probably spend more time watching these kids than most people here.

    More interesting is that O’Quinn has supposedly expressed an interest in the Warriors.

    Most they could pay him as a free agent is the taxpayer mid-level exception which will be about 5.3m. That was one of the reasons not to trade him if we wanted to re-sign him since GSW would have had Bird rights and could have paid him up to the max.

    Ugh no contract of theirs matches for a viable S&T. Might have been able to net a draft pick if they had a contract(s) which expires at end of 2018-19 but matching a taxpayer team where dollars work is tough.

    Ok he didn’t flunk out, he merely quit going to class.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that. The whole student athlete thing at that level is a scam anyway.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"says:

    All I know is I’m really looking forward to summer league because I’m dying to see whether Frank’s new body, hairstyle, and glasses are going to translate into a higher 3p% and effective aggressiveness on offense.

    I’m still more or less in “acceptance” mode on Knox. I liked Mikal better but sort of understand why they went in this direction. We just have to hope his youthful development and using him differently will translate into better results on the court. It’s probably going to be a few years until we know, but it would be nice to see something we can be optimistic about in summer league.

    It’s my view that you need at least 2 elite scorers or 3 very good scorers and some lower usage efficient scorers to create a really good offense. The Knicks now have 3 scorers (4 if you start Burke). The 3 are KP, Hardaway Jr, and Knox. I’d say we have a lot of developmental work to do to get them efficient enough to be considered “very good”, let alone “elite”.

    Knocking Knox is a big part of what we do here, but . . .

    3- 3 Yeah, it’s not the same as 5 -5. However, if you’ve ever played 3-3 full court, then you know that athleticism and skills are much more obvious. The court isn’t clogged and guys can really run the floor. You’ll see a lot of stuff that’s bottled up in a crowded court. Best athletes dominate.

    Interviews – they can be tricky. Confident, charismatic guys can be extremely alluring. And misleading. Or, you can get to see someone’s work ethic and possibly chart their future progress considering their attributes.

    So, the big gamble is that we didn’t take Mikal even though Knox has a much higher ceiling . . . and probably a slightly lower floor? lol.

    Seeing reports that enes is expected to opt out. I like him but I hope he signs somewhere else

    So, the big gamble is that we didn’t take Mikal even though Knox has a much higher ceiling . . . and probably a slightly lower floor?

    Knox doesn’t seem like a high-ceiling player to me. To me, he seems like a scoring wing who is not going to stuff the boxscore in other ways, and will be a passable at best defender. That is not a super high ceiling. His ceiling is “good one-way player.” His floor is that he busts entirely, never raises his scoring efficiency and STILL has no secondary skills.

    Mikal Bridges is a two-way player, who was very efficient throughout his college career (albeit on low usage as a freshman and soph) and who has a good reputation as a defender. His floor is WAY higher than Knox’ floor. Mikal can shoot, and he can defend, and he’ll be a rotation player in the league for many years.

    The Kanter news is objectively great, but years of conditioning tells me we’re going to do something even stupider with the money.

    Please please please facilitate a salary dump and get assets. Haha who am I kidding?

    Knox doesn’t seem like a high-ceiling player to me. To me, he seems like a scoring wing who is not going to stuff the boxscore in other ways, and will be a passable at best defender. That is not a super high ceiling. His ceiling is “good one-way player.” His floor is that he busts entirely, never raises his scoring efficiency and STILL has no secondary skills.

    And who knows, maybe he’ll break a leg getting out of his car or get some rare virus after eating kale.
    If you want to see negative, that’s what you’ll see.
    Right now, no one knows what Knox is going to be. But he’s 18, with a great NBA body, a nice stroke and a good work ethic.
    Possibly, he’s going to be much better than Mikal, who wasn’t going to move the needle on the knicks.

    If kanter opts out, you all know inevitable knick Rudy gay is a free agent.

    A lot of people here are complaining thathat the workout might have been a deciding factor for Knox. This is no different from most jobs where you find several reasonable candidates and the they come in and do interviews. The interviews can make a difference, and should make a difference

    Rudy Gay would have to sign a one year deal, and that sounds awesome.

    the difference with most other jobs is that things like communicating and demonstrated knowledge are key factors…. in basketball what you can demonstrate consistently against a certain level of competition is THE biggest factor and something you don’t get through thin slices of workouts….

    that is why high levels of production generally lead to high levels of play at the pro level….. and that is why a good workout against what is likely inferior.. or even zero comp… is probably the worst way to judge talent because you may perceive an improvement when you just surrounded the guy with wack players…

    You are assuming that Knox was surrounded by inferior or “Wack” players. Presumably, the Knicks are smart enough to see that, if it were the case. And if you have a chance at someone like Doncic, an on site interview and workout would just be used to check for red flags and you wouldn’t use a workout to decide. But at pick number 9, where teams usually end up with eventual ordinary starters or eventual role players, there were lots of differences of opinion among draft pundits and mock draft boards. So that makes it a close call, and it’s reasonable for the on-site workouts and interviews to make a difference.

    Personally, in my experience with hiring, I’ve found that a team approach to interviews works well and the discussion afterwards captures a lot of things; more things than one person would find on their own. So I’m happy with how the Knicks did things this year. That doesn’t mean they made the right pick, but it helps.

    I’m going to wait to pass judgement on their process until the season starts- if Knox looks like the same inconsistent motor, questionable handle, weak defense/rebounding guy he was at Kentucky all through summer league and training camp then yeah, poor decision even if that doesn’t mean he’ll necessarily be a bust. But if he genuinely does look like he’s gotten an extra gear/ more polish since season’s end (not inconceivable with a guy that young) then I don’t have a problem with their picking him at 9.

    we’re using the knicks as a call to authority? really?

    your approach to hiring might involve a pretty robust process i’m sure… but i highly doubt that it involves seeing tape recordings of what applicants did everyday in the past year….

    this is not business… this is a game… one that is based on skill…. and skill is determined by a consistent advantage that one can exploit .. so basing it on a workout in non realistic scenarios is just about the worst way to judge a prospect because you need a larger sample to observe that and you need representative conditions AT THE VERY LEAST..

    it is absolutely nothing like interviewing candidates unless you happen to think non-basketball reasons like how they answer questions is an important factor to be ‘tie-breaking’…. the only tie-breakers should be what’s happening on the court unless you can demonstrate off-the-court behavior makes a difference….

    Apparently there are ‘multiple teams’ interested in signing Kanter if he opts out.

    I’m kinda anxious for summer league. The team is most likely gonna be headlined by Ntilikina, Dotson, Knox, Mitchell, Trier, Kornet, and Hicks. Mudiay won’t play but he probably should. That’s an intriguing pack of young talent, and the best thing about it is they’re all gonna be on the roster come regular season. Add a re-signed KOQ, Beasley, Burke and THJ for scoring, and we should have a fun team to watch develop this season.

    How much are both mini-max & full max in the first year? Will we have enough room for two of them in 2020?

    Or even one next summer without stretching Noah?

    Multiple could mean as few as two teams interested in Kanter. I was trying to think of who they could be (to see if that statement was believable). They would have to be teams that are in win-now mode and need a better center than they have. Also they probably should be teams that need more scoring. The three I could think of are Toronto, Cleveland and Milwaukee. If Gasol is retiring or taking a lesser role in San Antonio, they also might need someone and the Wizards have Gortat, but he is getting old, so maybe they could be interested too. Overall, it’s possible at least two teams are interested in Kanter. That said, most or all of those teams don’t have cap space, so maybe they would want the Knicks to extend Kanter and then trade him. I am certainly OK with that. The Knicks would basically be saying to Kanter, “if you want a long term contract, we will help you get it with another team, but we don’t want to extend you now because we want salary flexibility next summer”. Then it would be Kanter’s choice what to do.

    Knox in all likelihood answered some questions with that workout that proved to the team that he’s probably closer to a 40% shooter from 3 than that 34% he posted in college. The handle is likely tighter than when he last played in college, but I think the big thing with Knox is learning how to play off ball defense. He got lost a lot in a non vocal Kentucky defense but when he was on ball he’d play engaged and would do a good job stopping the man in front of him.

    I think Knox’s shooting is going to be a pleasant surprise and that skill alone should make him a rotation player early on. He’s athletic but his game is really more below the rim than anything else, and sometimes you can see the polish on a kid as young as he is. You could argue he plays the game at one speed or you could argue he plays the game under control, and that’s really all on what color lenses you wanna view him through.

    Knox could be Landry Fields, Jeff Green, Jabari Parker (who is way better than those injuries make him look), or he could be Melo. I don’t really think he’ll ever be more than an average team defender but I don’t think he’ll be an incapable liability defensively. He’s been hearing about his motor and defense ever since he was linked to the Knicks, so I expect him to come into Summer League right away and look to answer those specific questions. Looking at Knox, I see his ceiling as a guy who uses the post to set up his floater game over either shoulder, a borderline elite shooter in catch and shoot situations, and a Joe Johnson type of slow cooker in isolation sets. Defensively, I hope he improves as a team defender, and if he does it’ll be a credit to Fizdale’s team because there is nothing on his film to suggest he’ll be more than a step too slow on that end.

    “His workout was one of the best we’ve ever had here,” Coach Mike D’Antoni said at Shumpert’s introductory news conference. “When we were here, all the coaches, some of the scouts and the front office all kind of turned together at the same time and said, ‘Wow, this is pretty good.’ From Day 1, we were pretty sold on him.”

    Shumpert’s defensive athleticism, sorely needed on a team that was among the worst defensively in the league last season, was his known asset. Shumpert has a 42-inch vertical leap and a 6-foot-10 wingspan. His shooting, however, was regarded as something of a question mark.

    But Shumpert, who averaged 17.3 points and 3.5 assists last season, helped dispel that notion during the workout. The Knicks said they believed that his shot was smooth and that his scoring ability had been undersold. The 6-5 Shumpert can play at either guard spot, too, adding needed depth.


    At least he’s not a tweener, am I right guys

    “He said he couldn’t shoot,” D’Antoni said, “but he came in and had almost a picture-perfect shot, and we think that can get a lot better.

    “He had one of the best workouts that I’ve seen in a lot of years. He’s a little bit of everything. He can play point, he can play the 2, he can guard some 3s. He’s an exciting young man. His personality and his ability to work hard are big factors, and we’re excited about having him.”

    So the Knicks brass looked at Iman Shumpert’s shot in a workout and said “yep, that’s almost picture perfect.”

    I wonder if Kanter will give up making $18.6m this year for a full midlevel exception 4 year deal? If what I’m reading is correct, that would start at $8.8 million for the first year, with 5% raises each year after that.

    But that would only get him a ~$38m deal over 4 seasons. If he played this year on his option, he would go into free agency next year needing only to sign a 3-year, $20m contract to beat that offer. Seems very do-able, especially with more money floating around in 2019.

    Opting out seems nuts, unless he has a promise from some team. I just pray that’s not the Knicks.

    Giana: max salaries are based on years of service – 25% of the cap for up to 6 years, 30% for 7-9, 35% for 10 or more.

    In 2019 the cap is expected to be $108m. So a ‘mini-max’ – a max for a younger player – is about $27m. If we hold off signing KP, waive Lance, sign no-one for more than 1 year this summer, we owe around $75m to 5 players in the summer of 2019. But our space will be reduced by Knox, Mitchell, our 2019 pick hold and 4 min roster charges. If we’d pick 9th again, these will total around $13m, so we’d have about $20m in space.

    This can increase if we stretch Noah (save $11m) trade Lee (save up to $12m).

    Bear in mind that free max agents deals for players under 6 years will be rare because most players worth a max will get on as an RFA from their rookie team.

    Kawhi and Kyrie both are due the 30% max – around $32m in 2019.

    So the answer to your question – we could definitely get to a 25% max slot in 2019 if we stretch Noah, and probably find our way to a 30% max slot. But we can’t edtend KP or sign anyone else not already on the roster past 2019.

    In 2020 we’ll have KP, THj, Knox and, assuming we extend the QO, Frank. If we max KP that’s around $57m to four guys. Add in the 2020 pick and it’s already very unlikely we can find two max slots that summer. But if we don’t give one out in 2019, and hold back that space, we can probably get to a max plus some meaningful additional money that summer.

    But if we don’t give one out in 2019, and hold back that space, we can probably get to a max plus some meaningful additional money that summer.

    “Hold…back” on spending? That doesn’t sound like something I’ve heard from the Knicks before and I don’t know if Mills knows it, either.

    So, the big gamble is that we didn’t take Mikal even though Knox has a much higher ceiling . . . and probably a slightly lower floor? lol.

    Oh sure, if you decide that Mikal had a slightly higher floor than Knox, despite him clearly having a much higher floor, then yes, Knox does seem like a more logical choice there. You probably shouldn’t do that, since Mikal has a much higher floor than Knox, but if you did do that, then the Knox pick would look better.

    Knox doesn’t seem like a high-ceiling player to me. To me, he seems like a scoring wing who is not going to stuff the boxscore in other ways, and will be a passable at best defender. That is not a super high ceiling. His ceiling is “good one-way player.” His floor is that he busts entirely, never raises his scoring efficiency and STILL has no secondary skills.

    Who do you think will be a more impactful player in 3-4 years?

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