Knicks Morning News (2018.06.16)

  • [NYPost] The Porzingis caveat that could block a Knicks-Kawhi trade
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 1:03:57 PM)

    The good news for the Knicks is that Spurs coach/president Gregg Popovich likes Knicks young point guard Frank Ntilikina a lot. The bad news for the Knicks is, Popovich also loves Kristaps Porzingis — whose inclusion is probably the only way a Kawhi Leonard deal gets done. According to sources, Knicks brass was interested in…

  • [NYDN] Trump now supports GOP immigration bill after originally saying he’d reject it
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 2:40:00 AM)

    WASHINGTON — President Trump ignited eleventh-hour confusion Friday over Republican efforts to push immigration legislation through the House, saying he wouldn’t sign a “moderate” package. The White House later walked back the comments, formally endorsing the measure and saying Trump had been confused.

  • [NYDN] Naked man flees hospital, breaks into home and bashes resident with hammer
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 2:10:00 AM)

    NEWBURYPORT, Mass. — Police say a Massachusetts man fled naked from a hospital, broke into a nearby home and attacked its resident with a hammer.

    Newburyport Police say 26-year-old Robert Girard, of Amesbury, fled Thursday night from Anna Jaques Hospital after removing his IVs and GPS monitoring…

  • [NYDN] Luke Cage fights different villain, same identity issues in second season
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    There’s a question, early on in the second season of “Marvel’s Luke Cage,” about the definition of family. Is it the barbershop owner who turned you into a man, or the dad who turned his son against you? Is it the mother you barely know, or the father who died before you were born? Is it the woman…

  • [NYDN] Save more NYC lives from fire: Numbers are going in the wrong direction; we can fix it
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 2:00:00 AM)

    Sadly, 50 people have died in fires so far in 2018 — the most deaths in the first five months of any year in more than a decade. And if we go back to the tragic month of December 2017, when 26 people were killed, those of us in the business of preventing and fighting fires are very concerned things…

  • [NYDN] Trump frustrated that he’s not getting enough credit for North Korea nuclear deal
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:10:00 AM)

    WASHINGTON — President Trump credits his accord with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un with saving tens of millions of people from nuclear war. Now he just has to get everyone else on board.

    Frustrated with lukewarm backing from congressional Republicans, criticism from Democratic opponents and skepticism…

  • [NYDN] No letting up on NYCHA
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:05:00 AM)

    Though the billion-dollar-plus consent decree inked between City Hall, the Housing Authority and the Justice Department was a civil matter, the feds’ complaint overflows with descriptions of bad behavior by public employees that could well prove criminal.

    If prosecutors have got the goods — and…

  • [NYDN] Mr. Trump, make a difference that counts
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:00:00 AM)

    You may have noticed that we’re not especially fond of President Trump or his relationship with his home city.

    For the purposes of this editorial, it’s water under the Verrazano. We really, truly hope Trump comes here to campaign with Rep. Dan Donovan before the June 26 Republican primary.


  • [NYDN] Border Patrol vehicle seen on video hitting man prompts investigation
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 12:45:00 AM)

    SELLS, Ariz. — The Border Patrol says it’s investigating an incident involving an indigenous man who is seen on video being struck by an agent’s vehicle.

    The agency said Friday its Tucson Sector has been made aware of the video taken Thursday on the Tohono O’odham Nation.

    Paulo Remes, a resident…

  • [NYDN] Pakistani official calls death of vicious Taliban leader ‘significant’ in fight against terrorism
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 12:15:00 AM)

    ISLAMABAD — Pakistani caretaker Prime Minister Nasir-ul-Mulk has described the killing of Pakistani Taliban chief Mullah Fazlullah in a U.S. drone strike in Afghanistan as a “significant development in the fight against terrorism.”

    Mulk made the comment in a telephone conversation Friday night…

  • [NYDN] Readers sound off on school shootings, Marilyn Monroe and Prince Harry
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 12:00:00 AM)

    A matter of life and death

    Manchester, N.J.: In August of 1932, I was born on a kitchen table. My family lived in a four-story apartment house, on the third floor. Williamsburg, Brooklyn, was our town. I lived there for 12 years before we moved to Bensonhurst. What I remember about those 12 years…

  • [NYDN] Kentucky man sentenced to 30 days behind bars for attacking Sen. Rand Paul on his lawn
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 11:50:00 PM)

    BOWLING GREEN, Ky. — U.S. Sen. Rand Paul’s neighbor was sentenced Friday to 30 days in prison for tackling the lawmaker while he was out doing yard work at his Kentucky home.

    Paul, who suffered broken ribs, had hoped for a harsher penalty. He said in a statement that the 21 months in prison sought…

  • [NYDN] Road rage fueled driver before he allegedly shot woman and her children, killing 13-year-old boy
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 11:00:00 PM)

    DENVER — A 12-year-old boy told police he saw a driver open fire on his family during a road rage confrontation in Colorado, killing his older brother and critically wounding his mother and younger brother, authorities said Friday.

    Police arrested Jeremy Webster, 23, hours after the shooting that…

  • [NYDN] NYPD officer struck by car in East Harlem
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 10:15:00 PM)

    A uniformed on-duty NYPD officer was seriously injured when she was hit by a car on an East Harlem street late Friday, police said.

    The officer was in front of a department van parked in a bus lane on E. 125th St. near Lexington Ave. when a black Toyota Camry clipped her as she stepped into traffic…

  • [NYDN] Seth Lugo suffers worst start as Mets fall to Diamondbacks, 7-3
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 10:00:00 PM)

    PHOENIX — Seth Lugo had his worst start of the season Friday and the Mets’ offense continued to struggle in a 7-3 loss to the Diamondbacks at Chase Field.

    The Mets (28-38) have lost four straight and 17 out of their last 20 games. They dropped a season-high 10-games below .500, a dramatic swing…

  • [NYDN] Woman accused of trying to recruit Islamic State supporters for terror attacks denied bond
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 9:45:00 PM)

    MILWAUKEE — A Wisconsin woman accused of trying to plan terrorist attacks on social media leads a lonely life and sought companionship online, but she never posed a real threat, her attorney told a judge Friday.

    But federal magistrate Judge Nancy Joseph said the allegations against 45-year-old…

  • [NYDN] Parkland students kick off nationwide bus tour in Chicago to promote young voters to register
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 9:15:00 PM)

    CHICAGO — A group of Florida high school shooting survivors started their nationwide bus tour registering young voters to help accomplish their vision for stricter gun laws at a rally on Chicago’s South Side.

    Kyrah Simon from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, where 17 people died…

  • [NYDN] Beloved Glasgow art school devastated by massive fire again
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 9:00:00 PM)

    LONDON — A large blaze ripped through an architecturally important building at the Glasgow School of Art, the second time in four years that fire has damaged the famed Scottish school.

    More than 60 firefighters were battling the blaze early Saturday morning, and images posted on social media showed…

  • [NYDN] HBO documentary used Slenderman painting without consent: suit
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 8:25:00 PM)

    There’s nothing creepier than copyright infringement.

    A Brooklyn painter is accusing HBO of using his artwork without permission in its 2016 documentary “Beware the Slenderman,” a new lawsuit charges.

    Joe Coleman says his painting, “No One Can Enter the Lord’s House Except as a Child (Slenderman)”…

  • [NYDN] Las Vegas man admits making death threats to Manhattan lawyer
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 7:35:00 PM)

    A Las Vegas man who called a prominent Manhattan attorney a “n—er lover” and threatened to blow up his law office confessed Friday to making the vile remarks.

    Joseph Amico, 47, was promised a six-month jail sentence plus five years’ probation in Manhattan Supreme Court in exchange for admitting…

  • [NYDN] Jonathan Loaisiga impresses in MLB debut, gets first career win as Yankees blank Rays 5-0
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 7:00:00 PM)

    It seems the Yankees have an endless supply of young players in the minors who can be called upon to provide a big-league worthy performance when needed, even if he leapfrogs Triple-A.

    Jonathan Loaisiga is the latest example.

    The 23-year-old righthander, whom the Yankees brought up from Double-A…

  • [NYDN] Isola: It will be difficult for Lionel Messi to top Cristiano Ronaldo’s performance in World Cup opener
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 6:25:00 PM)

    That pose, the one Cristiano Ronaldo makes before each free kick, is his trademark.

    Michael Jordan has his famous Jump Man logo and Ronaldo has his: legs spread three feet apart, arms at his sides, shorts rolled up slightly to show off his massive quads.

    And the poor goalkeeper in the crosshairs.

  • [NYDN] Ackert: Mets will face difficult Seth Lugo decision once Noah Syndergaard returns
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 6:05:00 PM)

    PHOENIX — There was a point this spring when Seth Lugo had to go and ask to be put in the bullpen.

    Pitching with a partially torn ulnar collateral ligament, Lugo had been targeted as the possible sixth starter to be stashed in Triple-A in case of an emergency. The Mets were concerned about the…

  • [NYDN] Alleged mob ties used in kickback extortion attempt by construction boss, associates: DA
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 5:35:00 PM)

    A reputed Bonanno crime family associate and his construction company cronies threatened to kill a roofer and his family if they didn’t kickback $150,000 in exchange for landing a lucrative job, prosecutors charged Thursday.

    Construction boss Peter McMahon, 55, the vice president of DPC New York,…

  • [NYDN] Wilmer Flores feeling 100 percent coming off the disabled list, but Mets will ease infielder in
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 5:25:00 PM)

    PHOENIX – Wilmer Flores returned from the disabled list Friday night and came up with a big hit.

    The infielder, who had been out since May 28 with a lower back issue, doubled with two outs in the bottom of the ninth to plate the Mets’ final run in their 7-3 loss to the Diamondbacks at Chase Field.

  • [NYDN] Jordan Spieth bogeys last two holes to miss U.S. Open cut, slams right hand against clubhouse wall
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 5:20:00 PM)

    SOUTHAMPTON — Jordan Spieth slammed his right hand against the column of the scorer’s clubhouse after he finished his second round Friday, a surprising display of emotion from the normally even-keeled Texan.

    But Spieth had reason to be frustrated. He made four straight birdies on the back nine…

  • [NYTimes] Spurs Forward Kawhi Leonard Wants Out of San Antonio
    (Saturday, June 16, 2018 1:19:49 AM)

    If the Spurs are willing to trade Leonard, who has long been reported to be unhappy, they may have aggressive bidders in the Lakers, Clippers and Celtics.

  • [SNY Knicks] Would Knicks fathom dealing Porzingis for Kawhi Leonard?
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 10:51:11 PM)

    With reports swirling that Spurs F Kawhi Leonard wants to play elsewhere next season, the fit with the Knicks sounds enticing.

  • [SNY Knicks] Loud Mouths: Will Kawhi Leonard end up in Hollywood next season?
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 6:56:09 PM)

    The Loud Mouths and Michael Rapaport discuss the report of Kawhi Leonard’s alleged desire to leave the Spurs and join the Lakers.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks linked to Kawhi Leonard, who wants out of San Antonio
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 2:17:47 PM)

    Kawhi Leonard wants out of San Antonio, and the disgruntled Spurs forward reportedly has the Knicks on his wish list.

  • [NY Newsday] Would Knicks fathom dealing Porzingis for Kawhi Leonard?
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 10:51:11 PM)

    With reports swirling that Spurs F Kawhi Leonard wants to play elsewhere next season, the fit with the Knicks sounds enticing.

  • [NY Newsday] Loud Mouths: Will Kawhi Leonard end up in Hollywood next season?
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 6:56:09 PM)

    The Loud Mouths and Michael Rapaport discuss the report of Kawhi Leonard’s alleged desire to leave the Spurs and join the Lakers.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks linked to Kawhi Leonard, who wants out of San Antonio
    (Friday, June 15, 2018 2:17:47 PM)

    Kawhi Leonard wants out of San Antonio, and the disgruntled Spurs forward reportedly has the Knicks on his wish list.

  • 101 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.06.16)”

    With all this talk of Kawhi Leonard I think the Knicks should just stay the course with building through the draft. It will cost us a price we cannot afford to pay, and then he’d just leave. The Knicks should be looking to trade up to 4th overall where we could select Doncic or (my least favorite prospect but I acknowledge he would fit excellently in New York) Jackson Jr. instead. If we can get better without compromising our cap space or draft picks, then we should do it. Kawhi Leonard is more likely to join a team with Doncic, Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Zion Williamson than he is to stay on a team with Porzingis, Tim Hardaway Jr, and Trey Burke.

    I really hope we end up with Doncic.


    Agreed. Trading for Kawhi would make sense for a team that already has enough assets to make use of him (eg Boston), but it locks us in as a low level playoff team for the next few years, and that’s assuming he comes back 100% from injury. It’s all about win curve. Let’s concentrate on blowing up Chris Wallace’s phone with THJr highlight videos from YouTube instead.

    I’m actually pretty torn here. As much as I’m critical of Porzingis, I think teaming him with Kawhi, who has maybe 4 prime years left, could make for a potentially great duo. And after Noah and Kanter come off the books, we would become a great landing spot for other parts.

    Basically, you’d start out with Kanter/O’Quinn/Noah?, KP (injured), Kawhi, Lee/Dotson?, Burke as your lineup.

    Then maybe you get Kyrie and a hard-working rebounder/defender to play center in 2020.

    Easy, right!? That’s assuming the Spurs accept the Frank/TH2/#9 platter. It just doesn’t make sense to do that trade but lose KP.

    I like where your going with this kwahi thing, if he’s available you have to make an attempt that doesn’t include KP or Frank which is next to impossible. But if you have to make KP the centerpiece I think you have to consider it Kwahi is too good .

    How bout this for crazy?

    Houston gets Lee and lance

    Spurs take back Anderson, 9 and KP

    knicks take kwahi

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"says:

    Any trade for Kawhi that includes KP is a non starter. We won’t be better by enough to matter but we’ll be older and have a shorter window.

    A combination of KP and Kawhi would be fine as long as after the dust settles we have a lot of cap space in 2019. If we don’t, then the current year of Kawhi is a waste because KP will be hurt and the following year will be a waste because we still won’t have the surrounding pieces needed to make a serious run. We’ll also lose 2 years of Kawhi’s prime.

    Moving up in the draft makes sense if it can be accomplished by giving up only “1” future core piece. By that I mean, we can include the #9, Frank, or next year’s #1, but we can’t include any 2 of those. All 3 of those are probably going to yield a core piece. We don’t want to go 2 for 1 to move up unless it’s an absolute moral lock we are getting a superstar. I’d be more apt to give up a future protected #1. By 2020 we should be a playoff contender. If we gave up #9 and a protected 2020 1st rounder, we’d be getting a better quality player this year, keep our #1 next year when we need it, and we’d already be a competitive team by 2020. So the 2020 pick would probably not be a huge deal assuming we actually got our target and the better player of all of them this year.

    Moving down so we get 2 1st round picks for 1 also makes sense if we can’t get our target at #9 and don’t give up a core piece. 2 lottery tickets are better than 1 when you are throwing darts.

    Well, I’m also scared about Leonard’s recovery and all this stupid saga about wanting to leave San Antonio, but if he is 100% healthy he is one year removed from being a top 5 player in the league and he’s 27. He would absolutely make the Knicks a MUCH better team even if the trade is for Porzingis and something more. I think people are forgetting how incredibly good he was before this whole saga began.

    Now, I don’t think the Knicks have the assets to even entertain a trade, and it would 100% have to include Porzingis as the Spurs control Leonard’s fate and they’ll receive massive offers Im sure. I don’t think it’s realistic at all, but if you can get a top 5 player in the league with a chance of re-signing him, you at least try to do it.

    Can we please forget about a quick fix? Build a good young core BEFORE going after a big name player or two to complete puzzle that still is missing a whole lotta pieces.

    Let the Lakers pay through the nose for KL. Anybody else dealing for him risks him leaving in one year.

    Right now I’m far more worried about reports that the Knicks FO dynamic duo is enamored with Kevin Knox.

    Anyone think the Knicks should make a run at getting Ball and his father’s sideshow? Lots of reports that the Lakers are eager to move him out.

    If Ball is actually available for a reasonable price, you pull the trigger, no questions asked. Unless that asset used prevents you from trading up with Memphis for Doncic (in this pipe dream scenario)!

    What if they offered Ball for the #9 pick so that they can use that pick to help secure KL from the Spurs?

    Yeah, I’d do that in a heartbeat. No one at 9 is going to be nearly as good as Ball with perhaps the exception of Carter. We’d have an elite, switchable back court defense with KP doing his best Gobert impersonation at center. It’d be great to watch.

    While I agree with Jowles and others that tanking works if done well, it’s not the only way to build a contender, especially with the flattening of lottery odds. If we could just avoid making a dumb trade or free agency signing, commit to young, athletic, skilled players, shed salary or smartly take it on to get assets, and let the record fall where it may, that’s good enough for me. Trading anything for Kawhi at this point would be dumb, especially given his injury.

    Trading for Kawhi would be same old, same old.
    Trade up in the draft if it’s not too expensive, or stay the course.
    I hope this is obvious to the new FO – because it’s obvious.

    I absolutely love Kawhi Leonard’s game and approach. If he’s right physically he’s probably a top 5 player in the league. As much as I’d love to see him in New York, that is not happening and I think they should stay away from it. Trading for him now comes with a lot of risk including his injury and the good chance he might not sign long term. Never mind the Knicks don’t have the assets to pull off a trade for him anyway unless they are willing to part with KP and/or Frank and high picks which would not be wise.

    They should stay the course, try to make a reasonable offer for the #4 pick and failing that make sure they draft the right guy at #9.

    The only way we can get Kawaii is to trade KP, Frank and our pick. SA will have the whole league bidding for him. You don’t trade Kawaii for a guy who is about to miss a year. Boston traded a hurt player for Kyree but threw in a pick that many thought would be top 3. And Kawaii is better that Kyrie. And Thomas wasn’t hurt as bad as KP and was coming off a great year. And they threw in a serviceable player in Crowder. And they did that deal behind the scenes without every team bidding.

    The crazy thing about Kawhi is that no one even seen him play in a game healthy, right? So how can you trade the farm for him if you don’t know if he’s even healthy? Look at what happened with IT with the Cavs. They traded for a hurt player and he was finished because of the injury. Is IT even going to make the mid-level next year, two years after finishing in the Top Five of the MVP voting?

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"says:

    There’a almost no way to get Kawhi and retain enough depth and cap flexibility to build a contender in the narrower window you have with him. Keeping KP (if even possible) would mean devastating everything else and not keeping KP is also pointless. I hope they don’t waste more than 1 phone call on this. They should be focusing on any potential deals to move up or down in the draft that will add value. If they can’t find that, drafting the right player to add to KP and Frank should be the priority. They should also be exploring ways to move any of the vets if the deal will add value (no dumping).

    A core of KP, Frank, and Mikal Bridges is actually a very good start given we also have quite a few quality bench players. That puts us 2 players and development time away from being a serious team. We have cap space coming up to fill those slots in 2019 and 2020. No more bad signings and all value enhancing moves and we’ll be fine.

    No one at 9 is going to be nearly as good as Ball with perhaps the exception of Carter. We’d have an elite, switchable back court defense with KP doing his best Gobert impersonation at center. It’d be great to watch.

    On defense maybe but a starting backcourt that put up .444 and .437 TS% last year? That’d lead to some brutal offense- at least short term. I still might make that trade but if Carter, Young or MPJ are there I’d probably take one of them and spare the team the prospect of LaVar Ball talking to the media 24/7.

    Lonzo Ball would be a disaster in NYC so long as LaVar exists. A total disaster.

    Are Frank and D’Angelo planning to try out for the Harlem Globetrotters? While that drill is impressive, does it translate at all to the NBA game?

    I wonder if Ball does get traded if a light bulb goes off in his head and makes him wonder what damage his father might be making to his career.


    Brickley probably sees this as a way to get them used to dribbling closer to the floor and changing hands on the fly, which seems pretty useful. Obviously it doesn’t immediately translate to a game but a guy like Frank has to walk before he can run, so to speak. His handle is such a work in progress that it will take a lot of work, not just one offseason.

    Frank’s got his legs so far apart he’s almost doing the splits. Good to see him working on that handle though.

    The thing that jumps out most when you see D Lo and Frank do that drill is how different their weight distributions look. Frank seems like he’s on his heels a bit, which straightens him out and increases the degree of difficulty. When Frank goes between his legs it almost looks like he’s starting to squat. D Lo is more on his toes and his heels even come up a bit at times and you can barely see his weight shift backwards at all. It seems like Frank’s high center of gravity is more of an impediment to doing conventional pg stuff than pure ball handling.

    I hope an additional drill is some quick guys harassing Frank as he works on bringing the ball upcourt, etc. Seems like Frank’s long arms would be an asset in that case, esp. if he does improve on keeping the ball down when he does so.

    If lonzo becomes a good 3 point shooter he’ll be an all star. He’s got some other serious flaws but his defense, rebounding and passing are already elite.

    Yeah, Lonzo is already a worthwhile player. He only needs the three to be a stud.

    I don’t know how good he’s going be to but Jevon Carter is still going to be the NBA in 2030 when he’s 35.

    Ugh. Tankathon has us taking Knox now. He’s not ranked as a top 10 prospect anywhere. I’m still hoping that this is purposeful misdirection…

    @18. Strat. Looks impressive but Kidd, for example, never did many tricks with the ball. I heard it said a few times that he was “faster with the ball than without it”. Posts of Frank bulked up or dribbling don’t necessarily translate to his game. Proof is in the pudding.

    I’d absolutely buy low on Lonzo without thinking twice, but man, LaVar sure is toxic. Trading the 9th pick for Lonzo straight up would be such good value that we’d have to just live with it in my opinion but it’s hard to argue with someone who would steer clear.

    Jevon Carter seems like a solid second round prospect but with our army of mediocre point guards I have no idea how he’d ever get a chance to develop here. My second round hope is still Bruce Brown—he was a lottery prospect before the season but injuries killed his stock. The numbers are there though even if shot will take some time to come along. He can guard 3-4 positions very well and is a monstrous rebounder.

    Begley says the Knicks have a lot of interest in Lonnie Walker and Kevin Knox.

    Kill me very, very slowly.

    Begley says the Knicks have a lot of interest in Lonnie Walker and Kevin Knox.


    The thing is, other teams are reportedly very impressed by Knox in workouts too, including the Cavs and Sixers. He has good measurables and a nice looking shooting stroke, but his numbers are pretty damn average.

    I think Knox might turn out to be a good player, but yeah, I sure wouldn’t spend the #9 pick trying to find out.

    My brain would explode if the same people who have defended the signings of Dotson and Rose became the same people who complain about having to deal with a blowhard like Lavar Ball. As much as I like Lonzo, let’s not go that route.

    As long as we don’t have to sign LiAngelo and then eventually draft LaMelo, I’m fine with Lonzo. It would be a circus but at least this time it’s a circus around an actual talented, promising player under team control for a good time. There’s no way we draft a player at 9th that’s more promising than him, if that’s the only piece the Lakers ask for in a trade.

    People here on KB are talking the same way about Knox and Walker as they did last year about Tatum and Mitchell. It’s so hard to predict which players will immediately make the leap. I see enormous potential and some red flags with both players. Mikal is the much safer pick for sure, he’ll at least be a very good defensive player who can shoot the 3 and play within himself. I would have to defer to the guys in the workouts with them. I mean, the Knicks have worked out all of the guys who have a chance to be available, both from above and below. I probably wouldn’t pick either Knox or Walker based on what I’ve seen, but I have at least some faith in the current Knicks talent evaluators (especially Gaines.}

    This draft is so crazy in that there is really no rhyme or reason beyond Ayton and Doncic (on paper at least.) If Walker or Knox went at #6, is it really a reach?

    Lavar might be the the key to our future. Hear me out. The consensus appears to be that Kawhi would only re-sign if traded to NYK or Lakers. What if Spurs don’t want to trade Kawhi to WC team and/or don’t want the Lavar headache? Then Lakers could only offer Ingram/Kuzma/#25 pick. Kuzma just isn’t that good and Ingram shows promise but is just that at this stage and the #25 pick isn’t anything to get too stoked about. The Knicks could offer all or some combination of THJ/2018 #9 pick/2020 pick/2018 #36 pick/Burke/Dotson/Baker/Troy. Indeed such a package might be better than Laker one which includes Ball. (Note: There is the wild card of whether Randle would agree to a S&T to Spurs.)

    If we had Kawhi and KP, gotta believe Kyrie would want to be a Knick. We’d be looking at a starting lineup in 2020 of Kyrie/Frank/Kawhi/KP/KOQ. Our bench would be dicey if Spurs take all of those players I mentioned: Courtney/Kornet/Room Exception/BAE. The health of Kyrie/KP/Kawhi would be very worrisome but that could be the best team in EC.

    This draft is so crazy in that there is really no rhyme or reason beyond Ayton and Doncic (on paper at least.) If Walker or Knox went at #6, is it really a reach?

    Yes. But after #8 or so, then yes, I agree that the differentiation isn’t as great. Taking Walker or Knox before Carter, Bagley, Porter, Bamba, JJJ and Young, though, would be a reach. I don’t even dislike Walker and I actively like Knox a bit, but yes, it would still be a reach.

    Even then, Walker and Knox are a bit of a reach at #9. Knox, though, at least has the upside you can sell yourself on.

    Lonzo is a nice boxscore-stuffer of a player and he should have a fine career but I don’t need LaVar Ball in my life. It goes without saying that LaVar is one of the most toxic assholes any of us have ever seen. Let somebody else deal with that chucklefuck.

    Every mock draft I’ve looked at has JJJ available at #4. I believe he’s the best player in this draft and a much better prospect than Ayton and Bags. I don’t know what Memphis’ main priority is – shedding salary or being competitive right away in Conley and Gasol’s waning years. But our #9, #36, THJ and Burke might be attractive to them in terms of shedding some salary and being more competitive right away.

    Frank/KP/JJJ would be an incredible defensive core. Any guard who managed to elude Frank on the perimeter would then have his head on a swivel looking for JJJ and KP. It would be the “Dwight Effect” times 2. Frank and JJJ might be the best pair in league at defending the PnR. And of course switch all is a possibility.

    I think JJJ’s got a much brighter future on the offensive end than people are projecting. He and Knox are the youngest players in this draft; JJJ’s a year younger than Ayton and Bamba. That year is critical in terms of strength affecting his rebounding and experience in expanding his offensive game. He’s already shot 43% from 3 and 78% from the line. He’s got a jump hook in the post and looks coordinated enough to develop more post moves in time which would be critical to take advantage on switches. In terms of his face-up game, he showed improvement in putting the ball on the floor and driving to rim. He should be fine in both PnPop and PnR.

    Yesterday I linked the query which put his BPM right where the freshman BPM’s of now 4 elite NBA players. He ranked 3rd out of the top 6 since 2010 when they started keeping BPM stats. That’s remarkable in and of itself but even moreso when you consider he did it as an 18yo. I get the June swoon for Doncic (he’s my #2 pick after JJJ) but people are sleeping on JJJ. I hope Perry and Mills aren’t.

    Knox looks like he might be able to score. His ASB numbers are anemic, but he’s super young and who the fuck knows with those weird Kentucky teams. He’s a big kid, so you might be looking at a good stretch 4 in 4 years. There are going to be better prospects available but you can sort imagine what Kevin Knox, good NBA player would look like. I don’t know why anyone would draft Walker in the lottery. He wasn’t notably good at anything.

    The difference between Mitchell and Tatum vs Walker and Knox is that Mitchell and Tatum were actually elite college players whereas Walker and Knox were mediocre to merely above average. Hard pass on both please.

    Zanzibar if you search for Freshmen with a offensive box plus minus >11 you might get an idea why someone would draft a player in this class above JJJ.

    If you don’t want to search it’s a list of guys named Trae Young. It’s just one stat, but Trae had the best freshman season by offensive box plus minus since 2010 and the only guy who comes anywhere close is Kyrie, who barely played.

    Knox is incredibly long and fluid and has a really nice looking shot. And he’s so young. But he has serious low motor red flags. It’s pretty rare for guy with strong physical tools and such low steal and block rates to live up to their putative potential in the NBA. He stood around a ton on both ends. But yeah at least he has upside. Walker does not seem like a top ten prospect in a mediocre draft let alone a good one.

    The attraction to Lonnie Walker is he’s an excellent defender and plus NBA athlete with long arms and a tight handle, and maybe they think his aggressive style would make him a good attacking guard next to Frank, who is more a facilitator. I think he has a higher ceiling than Mikal Bridges but he’s about half as likely to reach his ceiling. He also has scoring range and he was injured through some of his season. I wouldn’t take him but I see the logic and I’d hope the Knicks could develop him.

    I suppose Walker would be more of a reach than Knox, but college hoops is so unpredictable, particularly for 18-19yo’s. One skill he seems to have is that he handles the ball well and doesn’t turn it over. He also shot 49% from 2, which is good for a guard. He’s strong, explosive, can penetrate and finish with both hands, and has a nice looking shot with good range. Donovan Mitchell wasn’t particularly distinguished in college, especially as a freshman, and yet he should have been drafted at #3 or #4 in 2017, yet if he was he would have been called a reach.

    The larger point is that if as a GM you believe that based on your research, a player seems like the guy to take and you’re afraid to because of the perception that you are reaching, you run the risk of picking a “chalk” player that sucks, e.g. Okafor. If you think Lonnie Walker is the best player available, you take him at your spot unless you can trade down and still get him.

    Another example: if the Celts had not made the trade with the Sixers and just drafted Tatum at #1, lots of folks would have said they reached somewhat, including most of the braintrust here. Most mocks had him going 4-5 until just before the draft.

    I don’t worry that the Knicks are checking out a lot of players They could trade down as well as up, and it’s best to be prepared for anything.

    Another example: if the Celts had not made the trade with the Sixers and just drafted Tatum at #1, lots of folks would have said they reached somewhat, including most of the braintrust here. Most mocks had him going 4-5 until just before the draft.

    We discussed that very move here at the time (back when it first came out that the Celtics really liked Tatum) and I said that if they wanted Tatum, they should trade back to get him. So yes, I do think that taking Tatum #1 would have been a bad move. You’re always going to be able to move the #1 pick in a good draft, ya know? If they were #2 or #3, I wouldn’t have had a problem with them “reaching” for Tatum. I kept saying all last May/June that Tatum was the type of player that NBA GMs looove. Him going #2 or #3 wouldn’t have been a shock.


    Yeah, but what’s your point? Drafting Tatum at #1 would have been a reach simply because he was projected to still be available at the very least in the 3rd position. Reaches are not relative to the result in terms of how the player eventually plays in the NBA, but to their relative values at the time of the draft. Drafting Mitchell 3rd would have been a huge reach even if would be the right decision.

    Lets say the Lakers somehow knew Mitchell would be the best or second best player in this draft, it would still be stupid for them to simply pick him 2nd when he was projected to be a late lottery pick. If you feel that strongly about the guy, use your pick to trade down, acquire extra assets and pick the guy where he’s projected to be.

    If the Knicks do feel that confident about Knox or Walker, it would still probably be a mistake to simply pick them at the 9th unless they know something nobody else seems to know and the 10th, 11th team for example wants them, and of course unless trading down is literally impossible. As far as we know, there’s no reason to be desperate to draft those guys before the 12th or 13th pick, even if all you get in a trade down is just a second rounder or something like that.

    So yes, I do think that taking Tatum #1 would have been a bad move. You’re always going to be able to move the #1 pick in a good draft, ya know?

    I don’t quite agree. Yes, you can move the pick, but it was colossally dumb for the Sixers to give up a potentially priceless asset for moving up 2 picks in a “stacked” draft. But again, the larger point is that taking Tatum at #1 would not have been a reach at all except in the minds of pundits. If that deal was not available and the Celts kept their #1 pick and took Tatum, they might have taken some heat at firat, but it was not a reach, especially in the day of the one-and-done 19 yo prospect. It’s only a reach if the deal you want is available and you pass on it. That didn’t happen in the Tatum case.

    Knox is my single biggest nightmare scenario. I wouldn’t want him with the 20th pick. His steals and blocks are really bad and his rebounds aren’t good either. I think it really points to a lack of athleticism. He has no motor and seems slow footed. He shoots pretty well but I think in the NBA he will be stuck on the perimeter on offense and bad on defense. On top of all that he barely gets any assists and has bad +/- scores. I see no real upside, I can’t see what anyone sees. Stats are bad and in person, the biggest takeaway I get is he seems slow. He might be young but bad is bad. He looks like a total bust to me.

    As for Walker he could be okay and with a later pick he would be but he seems so much worse than Zhaire Smith. They’re the same size but Smith is younger (as young as Knox) and has much better shooting numbers, rebounds, FTR and blocks and similar points, assists, turnovers and steals all while being a better athlete and leading his team to the Elite Eight. The only thing Walker does better is take more threes, never mind that he hits them at 35% compared to 45%. I think it’s so clear who the better prospect is that taking Walker over Smith would be criminal.

    If no one falls then it’s Smith, Miles or Mikal (in that order), anyone else is malpractice.

    @55 I guess that I interpret “reach” differently than you. I think of a reach as a player that there is consensus about being clearly not worthy of a higher pick, e.g. Anthony Bennett. In the case of Tatum, if you only have the #1 pick, who cares if he’s available at #3? There was no clear reason for anyone to believe that Fultz, Ball, or Jackson would very likely be better than Tatum. In fact, Ainge felt strongly that Tatum was the best player in the draft. So yes, he capitalized on Colangelo’s stupidity, but had he taken Tatum at #1 because no one had the right offer for a spot that would guarantee getting Tatum (in this case, #3), it would not have been a reach, just a move that was not initially agreed upon by mostly dumber talent evaluators and pundits (and most here at KB!)

    I do think it was dumb for the sixers to move up for Fultz instead of Lonzo, but there was essentially no chance Philly or the Lakers were going to take Tatum so it was smart for the Celtics to make that deal once they settled on Tatum (they probably should have just drafted Lonzo)

    If it was just “Was Tatum talented enough that he could have realistically been chosen #1,” then sure, no, he wasn’t a reach last year for the #1 pick in that sense. As I said all through May and June, guys like Tatum are like crack for NBA GMs. So if that’s your definition of “reach,” then sure, fine, he was not a reach at the time.

    Now, would he ever have been picked by any other team in the NBA #1 or #2? Probably not, no, so if you picked him at #1 instead of trading back to #3, then that would be a mistake. But sure, not a “reach” under your very specific definition of “reach.”

    And as DRed notes, Ball is probably a better player than Tatum still, and who the fuck knows about Fultz? Dude missed most of the season.

    Relating that to the present, if the Knicks decide that Lonnie Walker is the guy, sure, try to trade down to a spot where you are still guaranteed to pick him, but don’t risk losing him because you think he’s a reach. The only players that are clearly better prospects than him are Doncic, Ayton, JJJ, and possibly Bagley and Bamba. Every other player projected to go above Walker has a serious red flag, Young is undersized an weak on D. Porter Jr. has a bad back. Sexton can’t shoot. The Bridges both have flaws. Carter is possibly a liability vs. NBA small-ball lineups. SGA can’t shoot. Knox has a motor problem.

    If the Knicks decide Walker is the guy then the worry isn’t that is he a reach but that the Knicks think he’s the guy. It seems like a real problem if the Knicks are looking at this draft class and thinking it’s between Walker and Knox.

    Tatum is younger than Lonzo, and he was arguably better than him last year. It’s hard to tell-they both get a lot of their value at this point from defense, and Tatum played on a much better defensive team. Lonzo was just the clear best prospect in that draft-that’s why I think the Celtics should have drafted him from a process standpoint.

    The only players that are clearly better prospects than him are Doncic, Ayton, JJJ, and possibly Bagley and Bamba

    Are you talking about the Lonnie Walker who played for Miami last year or is there another one who was actually good? Because there are a lot of players who are clearly better prospects than the Miami guy.

    @62, sure…and that’s what many here were saying about Ainge for coveting Tatum…sort of, “at least they got an additional draft pick to compensate for the bust that Tatum is very likely to become…”

    Trae Young put up one of the best offensive seasons for a freshman in NCAA history and he’s not a better prospect than the dude who had a mediocre year for Miami?

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"says:

    I just heard that Knox outplayed Mile Bridges in a workout for NY and that’s why he’s moving up for them. So it may be Mikal Bidges or Knox depending on who gets selected ahead of NY.

    @66 as I said, with the info we have, sure, but we’re not working him out or interviewing him. Again, most here (I think including you) thought there were a lot of players that were clearly better prospects than Tatum or Mitchell. If you felt that way them and were wrong, why should you be believed now?

    Is Walker even ranked in the top ten on ANYone’s board? Like, any site? Knox has shown up in top tens a lot, at least. So there’s people scouting these things who think enough of him to put him in the top ten. Mitchell hit the top ten, too, last year on a few sites.

    Yeah, there really isn’t an exact science to this. Westbrook had pretty pedestrian college stats but had great workouts and was a late riser… and became pretty good.

    Justice Winslow had pretty good numbers in his lone college season and was a late riser… but ended up a big disappointment.

    You just never really know. But it kinda seems like it’s best to go with whatever available statistics you have (while giving some wiggle room.)

    I watched every single Miami game this year. Lonnie Walker is fucking trash. I spent the entire season hoping he was “coming around” or whatever, but it turns out he’s just a low basketball IQ chucker. Every once in a while he’ll make a play (usually a dunk) that convinces people there’s “upside” that some galaxy brain GM might think is worth a lottery pick.

    In other words, he’ll fit right in!

    Seriously, Bruce Brown will have the better NBA career.

    It’s true that this board wasn’t particularly enthralled with either Tatum or Mitchell last year, but comparing them to Knox and Walker is lazy as hell. Their statistical profiles weren’t great, but there was enough in them that it’s not all that surprising they became productive players (Mitchell had elite steal and rebound numbers for a guard, Tatum had elite rebounding numbers for a small forward and a well rounded defensive profile).

    If Knox and Walker become productive players, it will defy a well established trend of which NCAA players succeed. It simply has a very low chance of happening. If you prefer the eye test, I just mentioned I’ve watched more Lonnie Walker than anyone should. He is exactly the player you see in the numbers.

    The draft is a crapshoot, so a player that looks great like Winslow will bust sometimes. There is no real way to fully avoid that. But you look at the numbers and look for red flags. What will translate, what won’t, are there any huge concerns, etc. Westbrook with his mediocre numbers is an anomaly, but UCLA guys always seem to have bad numbers and his athleticism was through the roof and he was regarded as a great defensive prospect so there was real upside.

    I see red flags with most players but you look at numbers and strengths and see if their upside outweighs their red flags. With Knox and Walker, I see red flags but don’t really see the huge strengths to counter them, at least not in the numbers.

    I take tnfh’s critique seriously, which is why I do not endorse actually selecting Walker with the #9 pick. I’m only saying that if the GM thinks he’s the way to go, I will give him the benefit of the doubt until at least summer league,

    Remember, Jimmer Fredette was a monster college player. So was Okafor. Mitchell pretty much sucked as a freshman, especially shooting 3’s. Kyle Kuzma sucked in college and is playing like a top-6 pick.

    It’s also good to remember, though, that Winslow had a much better year last year and is only a half year older than Mitchell, who was pretty good for a rookie but may not necessarily improve that much more.

    I know Z-man has already erected a statue of himself in Salt Lake City, but the jury is still sort of out on a lot of these players.

    Re: Knox, how does a guy with a 9-foot standing reach and a 36-inch vert only average .3 blocks per 40??

    tatum had the numbers… had the age…. and had the ability… kb underrated him because for whatever reason but probably because he had some sort of resemblance to melo… and the other mocks didn’t give him the respect that he frankly deserved… he put up just as good a numbers as all the other prospects yet he was almost two years younger than the other wings…..

    mitchell was ‘underrated’…. and yes i’m included… because he took and missed a lot of crazy stupid shots in college which for whatever reason started going in when he turned pro…. that can happen… and has happened a lot… a prospect shows a weakness that actually isn’t…. or he improves on that in the pro’s….

    but knox and walker have a lot wrong with their games than just one area…. it’s a whole lot… with knox… it’s a varied offensive game… he is basically just a shooter… and he’s talented there i admit… but getting to the basket he’s not very good.. even with all the size in the world…. even mikal was better at it when he was a freshman…. so i don’t buy that he’ll eventually develop it…. on top of that he doesn’t rebound or have the defensive numbers… and the defensive numbers are a death-knell for any lotto prospect…. unless you’re jj redick…. you can’t overcome that….. and i don’t think folks envision redick when they look at knox….

    walker has more issues… namely he hasn’t shown any plus ability anywhere….. i’m not sure what was going on in miami… but there seriously had to be a lot going wrong if he really was more talented than the numbers showed….. and from the little that i saw.. i just don’t buy that…. he’s an undersized guard who had a shaky handle…. he’s a lot like rashad vaughn…. and i don’t think he’s anything more than that….

    that doesn’t necessarily mean they have no shot…. things happen for the first time ever all the time…. but i wouldn’t lay down anything significant on these guys… and i think folks are seeing a lot things that just aren’t there…

    Jimmer is undersized, played for a small conference and had mediocre 2pt% and RSB numbers.

    Okafor was widely regarded as a bad defender, had no jump shot, and played below the rim.

    Mitchell had good sophomore numbers and his rebounds, assists and steals as a freshman showed real potential. Plus he probably wouldn’t have been drafted as a freshman.

    Kuzma was a great scorer and rebounder and a good passer. He had bad defensive numbers but he is a poor defender so far so that holds. The only real surprising thing about Kuzma is his 3pt shooting which has been much better as a pro. Plus he was a late 1st round pick.

    Both Mitchell and Kuzma looked like value where they were picked and both Okafor and Jimmer had huge red flags. Knox would be good value late in the 1st, Walker after the lottery. Both are terrible value at 9 especially with the Bridges and Smith still on the board.

    Russell Westbrook scouting in 2008:

    His athleticism is just a marvel to take in in person

    There are many great athletes in this year’s draft, but Russell Westbrook is in an entirely different category

    Westbrook has seduced me with his athleticism. He can sprint and slash, and explodes off the ground like NASA built him.

    What makes him special, though, is his lockdown defense.

    Lonnie Walker scouting:

    Pros: Good athlete

    Wow, speaking of bad draft picks, JJ Hickson was just arrested for armed robbery in Georgia!

    The Mitchell thing is not a good indicative to be honest because everyone was caught off guard by his level of play as a rookie. I don’t think people thought of him as a bust, but he had bad shooting percentages, low assist to turnover rates, didn’t get much to the line and his team got bounced in the second round against a bad Michigan team that promptly lost their next game in the tournament. There was stuff to like, yeah, but how could someone be sure that he would be able to create shots so well against nba competition when he didn’t do it against mediocre college teams?

    Besides, unlike Tatum, his production is still far from great. People love to harp on Devin Booker being a empty stats on a bad team kinda guy but if you put Donovan in Phoenix and Booker in Utah I’m pretty sure the results would not be that different.

    So the word from Bagely is that we’re picking Kevin Knox at #9 if Carter isn’t available. He gives me a Micheal Beasley sort of feel. And that makes sense considering this front office’s hardon for Beasley. I really hope we don’t pick him. All offense, poor defense, and limited ability to self create. I truly hope this is a smoke screen by the FO.

    for whatever reason guys with good steal rates tend to overperform….. and if you combine his freshman and soph 2p fg% it’s actually about where you want it to be…. and his college career line looks like a real good pro prospect….

    so mitchell’s performance didn’t come from nowhere…. it’s just given all of that… and he’s performed about as well as you could expect… how much do you want an undersized two guard on your team? what’s mitchell’s upside when it’s all said and done? how happy are you with a cj mccollum type of player?

    that really was my main concern.. on top of his shot selection issues which i think is still an issue for him…. but knowing what i know now i still probably wouldn’t take him at least until a half dozen or so names come off the board still….

    Please, no. All this b/c he outplayed Miles Bridges in a workout? If so, then just push Bridges way down your draft list.

    If the Knicks do take Knox, I’ll root for him, but he’s got lots of bust potential.

    So the word from Bagely is that we’re picking Kevin Knox at #9 if Carter isn’t available. He gives me a Micheal Beasley sort of feel. And that makes sense considering this front office’s hardon for Beasley. I really hope we don’t pick him. All offense, poor defense, and limited ability to self create. I truly hope this is a smoke screen by the FO.

    I think that there are nine players I’d rather see them draft than Knox. So who do you think they’re passing up at #9 then? Bridges? I guess you can’t take Bridges when you have Courtney Lee out there. Lee is the future of this team.

    I mean, there is a chance Porter falls to 9, and then they’d have to take him over Knox, right? I wonder why they’re turned off of Mikal? Maybe they just assume he’s going above 9 now? Either way, I think Carter would be a terrific pick, regardless of fit.

    That’s the thing. If Porter falls, then yeah, they have to grab him. So it must be someone else that they think will fall and that they want Knox over. I think it’s Bridges.

    I guess they want a 3/4 more than a 2/3 like Mikal. I don’t like it, though, since you can’t be making decisions based on TH freakin’ J and Courtney freakin’ Lee, ya know?

    It might be they think Frank is more of a two, but even if the Knicks want a 3/4 over a 2/3 the pick is Miles right? He so much of a better prospect. I really can’t see one single thing Knox does better than Miles.

    Knox has almost historically bad steal and block numbers for an NBA prospect. Doug Mcdermott bad. On top of that, his rebound and assist numbers are mediocre. Knox will be a bust. I see no path to him being good. I said he’d be good value late in the first, I take it back, I think I’d pass on him with our second round pick.

    It might be they think Frank is more of a two,

    Right, but even if that’s true, then Bridges would be a 3, except for the fact that they already have THJ locked in for next umpitty years.

    but even if the Knicks want a 3/4 over a 2/3 the pick is Miles right? He so much of a better prospect. I really can’t see one single thing Knox does better than Miles.

    But Knox outplayed Bridges in a workout, so that makes him a better prospect. That’s how it works, right?

    Well, the Knicks practices are legendary for determining stuff like Luke Kornet deserves a roster spot over Willy Hernangomez or that Lance Thomas is such a valuable veteran player, so how can we doubt the results of this workout?

    This is the problem with the no-tanking, 30-game winning, “add a player with the #9 pick every year” strategy. If you bust one year and end up with a non-entity like Kevin Knox, that just really slows your momentum. If Frank doesn’t really develop and then you get nothing out of your terrible Kevin Knox pick, then it’s like you’ve gotten bupkis to show for three full years of sucking (there was no pick in 2016 becuz Bargs). It’s just a ridiculously punishingly slow way to try to build a good young roster.

    Should have tanked when we had the chance at the end of the Melo/Stat era.

    @98, well, yeah…unless you do what Philly did and draft guys half the time that suck, wasting those tanked seasons….or don’t tank and do like GSW did, draft lower but well. We’ve had 3 single-digit picks in the last 4 years. It’s not tanking as you describe, but we still are more tanking than not tanking.

    @98, well, yeah…unless you do what Philly did and draft guys half the time that suck, wasting those tanked seasons….

    This is what people don’t get. You tank BECAUSE you’re going to waste half of your draft picks. The draft is, rather obviously, an inexact science. That’s why you stockpile the picks, so it cushions the blow when some of them inevitably bust.

    The way the Knicks are doing it, they need to thread the needle with every single pick. Which is why sustained, inescapable mediocrity is what is in the short-term and long-term future.

    and his team got bounced in the second round against a bad Michigan team that promptly lost their next game in the tournament.

    Of the reasons why anybody should have been skeptical of Mitchell this isn’t one. This “bad” Michigan team had the 2nd best offense in the country, won the Big Ten tournament and then lost their next game by 1 point in the Sweet 16 to Oregon, who ultimately lost to eventual national champion UNC by 1 point.

    Mitchell’s main issues taking too many of the dribble pull up jumpers instead of working to get to the rim more frequently and also being a subpar finisher.

    FWIW Walker, at a younger age, has eerily similar shot distributions and percentages from the field as Mitchell did last season.

    at rim – 29.9% FGA, 58.9 FG%
    2 pt J – 19.9% FGA, 32.8 FG%
    3P – 50.9% FGA, 34.7 3P%

    Mitchell 2nd yr:
    at rim – 26.6% FGA, 55.9 FG%
    2 pt J – 22.5% FGA, 35.5 FG%
    3P – 50.9% FGA, 35.4 3P%

    Also thought Walker showed development as a playmaker off the dribble through the season and his defense, while not lockdown, is solid with normal young player issues at times with failing to get in a stance on ball and falling asleep on cutters due to to ball watching off ball.

    The main difference I see between Walker and Mitchell are the rebound and steal rates. Mitchell had impact stats on defense that gave him avenues to provide value aside from volume scoring and secondary playmaking. Walker didn’t have near the impact in those areas as Mitchell.

    His decision making is a definite issue. He calls his number at dumb times way too often. Miami not having a capable PG exacerbated the problem, but he is his own worst enemy in this regard. Can he be coached up or is that who he is? I imagine meeting with him for 3 hours was largely to gauge his IQ and capacity to learn/improve.

    I like Walker, but wouldnt take him at 9. I do think he has upside to develop into an efficient high usg perimeter creator though.

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