Knicks Morning News (2018.05.02)

  • [ESPN] Sources: Mike Brown was Knicks’ last interview
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 10:47:54 AM)

    Warriors assistant Mike Brown was the last candidate to interview for the Knicks’ head-coaching job, sources told ESPN.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks interview Mike Brown for head coaching job, source says
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:07:59 PM)

    Add Golden State Warriors assistant coach Mike Brown to the long list of candidates who have been interviewed for the Knicks’ head coaching job.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks reportedly hoping to hire new head coach this week
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 11:03:29 AM)

    The interview process appears to be over for the Knicks, who are now “huddling” to figure out which candidate will be the team’s new head coach

  • [NYDN] 11 Knicks potential coaches ranked: strong to fringe candidates
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 9:45:44 PM)

    The Knicks reportedly wrapped up their extensive interview process and hope to have their hire by the end of the week.

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ search for show or they don’t know what they’re doing
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 5:09:33 PM)

    There are two ways of looking at the Knicks’ extensive — I prefer excessive — head-coaching search.

  • [NYTimes] N.B.A. Playoffs: Cavs Come Back to Beat Raptors in Overtime
    (Wednesday, May 02, 2018 4:28:42 AM)

    Cleveland never led during regulation, but a big comeback, and some luck in overtime help push them to a win over Toronto in Game 1 of their playoff series.

  • [NYTimes] How Is the Astros’ Pitching So Good? Trevor Bauer Has Theories
    (Wednesday, May 02, 2018 4:59:39 AM)

    Bauer fired off several Tweets questioning whether the Astros had used illegal methods to improve their pitching. The Astros were not pleased.

  • [NYTimes] Warriors 121, Pelicans 116 | Golden State Leads Series 2-0: Stephen Curry’s Return Boosts Warriors to Win Over Pelicans
    (Wednesday, May 02, 2018 5:51:09 AM)

    The Warriors are now 6-1 in these N.B.A. playoffs, and they just got back the two-time M.V.P., who had been out since March 23 with a knee sprain.

  • [NYTimes] Styles Q. and A.: Retired N.B.A. Coach Don Nelson Talks Playoffs, Poker and, Uh, Weed
    (Wednesday, May 02, 2018 1:36:03 AM)

    The Hall of Fame legend, now 77 and living in Maui, muses about retirement, getting stoned with Willie Nelson, and growing his own strand called “Nellie Kush.”

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ coaching options: The good, bad and who else wants them
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 4:08:36 PM)

    The Knicks have interviewed 11 candidates to become their next head coach. Here’s a look at the pros and cons (and competition for some) of each as David Blatt, Mike Budenholzer and David Fizdale have emerged as the favorites: David Blatt Pro: Should mesh with team president Steve Mills (they were teammates at Princeton), and…

  • [NYPost] Ranking Knicks’ candidates as search hits second phase
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:00:40 PM)

    The Bake-Off to determine the Knicks’ new head coach has been completed, and now the Knicks’ brain trust of Steve Mills and Scott Perry — let’s call that two-headed cerebellum PerryMills, for short — have 11 names to sift through. The Knicks have promised transparency in this process, and we’ve gotten that. What we haven’t…

  • [NYPost] Knicks bring in Warriors assistant as interviews conclude
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 9:09:54 AM)

    The Knicks have wrapped up interviews for their head-coaching position — barring any unforeseen last-minute candidate — and should have a hire within the week, The Post confirmed. Warriors assistant Mike Brown was the final interviewee, although a source cautioned “the situation is still fluid.” Ex-Hawks coach Mike Budenzholzer, former Cavs coach David Blatt and…

  • [NYPost] The Knicks are among the Spurs’ Kawhi Leonard fears
    (Tuesday, May 01, 2018 7:38:11 AM)

    The drama between Kawhi Leonard and the San Antonio Spurs could end with the superstar in a much bigger spotlight. After Leonard missed all but nine games this season with a right quadriceps injury — and remained in New York to rehab away from the only franchise he’s ever played with — the Spurs have…

  • 82 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2018.05.02)”

    Man – if the Raptors can’t win a game at home against an exhausted Lebron shooting 12-30 from the field and 1-6 from the line, when will they be able to win?

    Anunoby did a nice job but Lebron did just miss a whole bunch of pretty reasonable shots.

    Looking forward to the Knicks coach announcement hopefully sometime today or tomorrow. Really crossing my fingers for Budenholzer. I think Blatt and Fiz would be fine too but it’s Budenholzer’s history of developing young talent that has me really wanting him for all our young guys, and how he changed Horford’s shot profile from only 35.6% of shots at the rim and from 3 (total of the 2 zones) in the last pre-Bud year to 54% in the last Bud year. Before Budenholzer, Horford had only attempted 18 total 3 pointers in 6 seasons, then 11 in 2013, 36 in 2014, and 256 in 2015. What would he do for KP?

    I still think the Raptors will advance in six. LeBron’s supporting cast is too volatile to beat them.

    I think I’m kind of rooting for Stackhouse at this point. Why not? He seems like a guy that can relate to every player and is unafraid to expand his knowledge base. And of course, there’s no real baggage with him. Let’s keep it fresh!

    i like stackhouse too!
    i’m also in board with budz if he can do the impossible, create a winning system; how about stackhouse assistant coach or does the HC hire the assistants?

    the improving 3 pt game of Horford is promising; since KP is already a 3 pt shooter Im not sure how he would improve the area of KP’s rebounding which is a glaring weakness…

    He would get KP to shoot more 3s instead of replicating a shot distribution that would give Melo a raging boner.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    I’m not sure I’m buying that Budenholzer is going to choose the Bucks over the Knicks assuming the offers are equal. Even though the Bucks are ahead of the Knicks in their development now, they are nowhere near contenders and there’s no quick path there without a lottery pick or cap space this year. The Knicks have a few younger players and will have 1 (or maybe 2) lottery picks that can easily close the gap on them within 2 years. Then we’ll have the better market for drawing quality free agents, bargain vets, and trade prospects. If Bud is a long term thinker, he’d be willing to eat 1 year of bad play next year to be in a better position in 2 or 3. If he can’t see that, then maybe we should sign Blatt.

    This could be a leverage play to get more salary out of Dolan, but it could also backfire because we know Dolan takes these kinds of things personal.

    Well, Bud did help an Atlanta team that despite being underrated had no business winning 60 games in a season. They couldn’t advance because LeBron exists and there’s no way you’re beating a LeBron team if you don’t have at least one top level star. Giannis is already that sort of player and Middleton is pretty good. One decent draft pick or trade and they are a real dangerous team. Besides, Milwaukee this year might be the one case where horrible coaching played an obvious factor into their struggles, Kidd was an absolute mess and Prunty wasn’t much better.

    Their path to contention is not easy but they have the most difficult piece to acquire locked until 2021. I would certainly choose the Bucks over the Knicks if I’m a coach and I want to win games in the near future.

    We’re at least 7 pieces away from looking as good as the Bucks. We have no equivalent to Giannis. We don’t have a Middleton, Jabari, or Brogdon; Zeller, Bledsoe,Henson,Teletovic, Shabazz and Jabari ain’t bad. Sure, they have Greg Monroe, Thon Maker, Dellavedova, and Liggins, but they seem to allocate their minutes well.
    They’re better than us in almost all the ways.

    So Luka Doncic will not be working out for NBA teams due to his EuroLeague conmitment. He is going to fall a spot or two in this draft and the Knicks need to be in position when that happens.

    We’re at least 7 pieces away from looking as good as the Bucks. We have no equivalent to Giannis. We don’t have a Middleton, Jabari, or Brogdon; Zeller, Bledsoe,Henson,Teletovic, Shabazz and Jabari ain’t bad. Sure, they have Greg Monroe, Thon Maker, Dellavedova, and Liggins, but they seem to allocate their minutes well.
    They’re better than us in almost all the ways.

    Monroe is on the Celtics.

    But yes, the Bucks have a lot more talent than the Knicks, especially considering they have a guy who is a legit first team All-NBA candidate, which the Knicks haven’t had since…Ewing? Yeesh.

    I’m not sure I’m buying that Budenholzer is going to choose the Bucks over the Knicks assuming the offers are equal. Even though the Bucks are ahead of the Knicks in their development now, they are nowhere near contenders and there’s no quick path there without a lottery pick or cap space this year. The Knicks have a few younger players and will have 1 (or maybe 2) lottery picks that can easily close the gap on them within 2 years. Then we’ll have the better market for drawing quality free agents, bargain vets, and trade prospects. If Bud is a long term thinker, he’d be willing to eat 1 year of bad play next year to be in a better position in 2 or 3. If he can’t see that, then maybe we should sign Blatt.

    This could be a leverage play to get more salary out of Dolan, but it could also backfire because we know Dolan takes these kinds of things personal.

    That’s the exact same argument people were offering for Steve Kerr being a lock as Knicks coach.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    The Bucks look like they have a lot more talent because most of their major players are older than Porzingis, Frank, Dotson, and Hardaway etc…. Some of their major players are already at their peak (Bledsoe may be declining). Ours are not. In Frank’s case, a peak could be 5-6 years away.

    There is a difference between talent level and where you are in your development curve. They are AHEAD of us in their development and team build by a couple of years, but they are not necessarily better positioned.

    If you look at the young players we have now, add in some extra development, and throw in the better picks we are going to get over the next 2 years, “all else being equal”, in 2 years we will look just as good or better than the Bucks except that we will be in NY. Of course that assumes that a few of our young players develop and we don’t draft 2 stiffs.

    So it’s a matter of whether you want an immediate reward (go to the Bucks) or a team that’s a year or two behind them in a much better market.

    If Bud thinks he can take their current core and with some moves around the margin elevate them to the level of Philly, Boston, Toronto and Cleveland (if LeBron stays) over the next 3 years before Giannis’ contract expires he should take that job. They likely won’t have much cap flex as Middleton and Bledsoe (a completely overrated player and not a good fit next to Giannis IMO) enter FA next year and they’d also have to make a decision on Brogdon the year after.

    I don’t think the Knicks job is better, but I also don’t see the Bucks job as so much more appealing despite their superior talent to teams like New York and Phoenix.

    My worthless wish list:
    1. Budz – clearly the best candidate, but will he go elsewhere?
    2. Blatt – intriguing and a bit of a gamble, but he supposedly wins everywhere he goes
    3. Stackhouse – if they do not go for the top 2 guys, then I hope they go for him

    No matter who gets it, go totally young next year. No more Beasley, Jack, etc.

    Playing devil’s advocate, I think you could look at Bud being downgraded from GM as a bit of a red flag… will he be overly involved/controlling with future front offices? Probably not, but it’s not like Bud is a complete slam dunk. He’s done some great work, but he’s had some good players, especially the underrated Horford. So I still think Bud is great, but in short, I’m open to the other guys, too.

    It was a weird situation. His contract was up right when they were shy a GM, so he got the gig. Coaches shouldn’t have dual roles. They almost all suck at it. Even Pop knows enough to let Buford be the main decision-maker. So I wouldn’t hold Bud’s terrible GM tenure against him as a coach. And he’s got to see the landscape of the NBA does not lend itself to coaches getting dual jobs any more. There’s, what, two guys in a dual role out there today (Thibs and SVG) and Thibs sucks at it and SVG might lose his job any day now!

    I think we’re at least a lock not to get a terrible coach now. (Incoming Dolan’s Razor) I think I still would like to see Blatt as coach, however, I’m confident we won’t end up with Mark Jackson now so that’s something.

    But yes, the Bucks have a lot more talent than the Knicks, especially considering they have a guy who is a legit first team All-NBA candidate, which the Knicks haven’t had since…Ewing? Yeesh.

    I was about to say, “What about Melo in the 54-win season?” Then I checked the 1st team frontcourt for that year, and it was LeBron, Durant, and Duncan, so… your point stands, Brian.

    @TheSteinLine
    40m40 minutes ago

    Interesting wrinkle in the Knicks’ coaching search: League sources say Mark Jackson has received a strong behind-the-scenes push from Rich Kleiman, Kevin Durant’s longtime business partner and a lifelong Knicks fan who is close to both Jackson and Knicks president Steve Mills

    Stein followed that up by saying that Bud, Blatt, and Fiz remain the top contenders, but still. Never a moment to feel secure when you’re a Knicks fan.

    Playing devil’s advocate, I think you could look at Bud being downgraded from GM as a bit of a red flag… will he be overly involved/controlling with future front offices?

    I think this is why Bud hasn’t been offered the job yet and also why I’m afraid he ultimately won’t. I don’t see Mills and Perry being comfortable around a guy who thinks he can do their job.

    However, if they do hire him, it will say a lot to me about them.

    The Milwaukee job is quite obviously better than the Knicks job, because Milwaukee already has a hands-down, unquestioned superstar who is worth every penny of a mega max contract. The Knicks have a guy who maybe might develop into that if he develops the right way, but who might very well end up being an overpay on a mega max deal.

    The Bucks already have the bird in hand.

    I think we’re at least a lock not to get a terrible coach now. (Incoming Dolan’s Razor) I think I still would like to see Blatt as coach, however, I’m confident we won’t end up with Mark Jackson now so that’s something.

    Grrr…look what you did! 🙂

    The Bucks look like they have a lot more talent because most of their major players are older than Porzingis, Frank, Dotson, and Hardaway

    THJ is seven months younger than Middleton. He’s older than Giannis, Maker, Brogdon and Parker. This argument is silly. When you have to list Dotson among the Knicks young core you kind of give up the game right there.

    “Oh, hey, guys, you know how we all think Mark Jackson sucks? Well, Kevin Durant’s business partner likes him. That’s got to mean something for some reason, right?”

    “Oh, hey, guys, you know how we all think Mark Jackson sucks? Well, Kevin Durant’s business partner likes him. That’s got to mean something for some reason, right?”

    James Dolan: “I’m convinced!”

    Yeah, that Jackson rumor doesn’t move my stress needle (much).

    The Milwaukee job is quite obviously better than the Knicks job because Milwaukee already has a hands-down, unquestioned superstar who is worth every penny of a mega max contract.

    …and also because the owner’s daughter is legit very hot: https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/mallory-edens

    Though it’s still not a good reason to live in Milwaukee.

    Hornacek’s daughter is hotter. Sorry Brian! Only took about 20 minutes from me posting for Jackson’s name to come up. 😀

    Not only does Milwaukee have Giannis but more importantly they have an owner not named Dolan. And they don’t have 100 press guys questioning every move by the coach.

    Not only does Milwaukee have Giannis but more importantly they have an owner not named Dolan. And they don’t have 100 press guys questioning every move by the coach.

    From Bud’s perspective:

    The Bucks have Giannis.

    The Knicks will offer him more money, a better place to live*, and one of the premier positions in the league**.

    The Bucks job is not more attractive.

    * I say this as a jaded NYer who would move to the Midwest any time; but Bud seems to want to live in NY.

    ** As much as we suck, being coach of the Knicks is still one of the best gigs in sports, even if the position has been regularly desecrated.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    THJ is seven months younger than Middleton. He’s older than Giannis, Maker, Brogdon and Parker. This argument is silly. When you have to list Dotson among the Knicks young core you kind of give up the game right there.

    Last post on this.

    I think Dotson is going to be a net plus “3 and D” player.

    I think Frank has a very good chance to be a significant “plus” player.

    I think Hardaway can be a break even or mildly plus player if he goes back to playing SG and we hire Bud who had him moving in the right direction.

    I think KP is generally underrated on this forum and will be a star 2 way player if he remains healthy (even if he’s not as good as Giannis).

    I think Parker plays poor defense, is overrated, and they are probably going to pay too much to keep him.

    I think Bledsoe is overrated, plays poor defense, and may be on the decline.

    You guys are making the argument for who is better now. That’s not even a discussion. It’s a blowout. I am making the argument for who will be better in 2-3 years. I think we will be better (or close) if we hire a competent coach and draft well over the next 2 years. I also think most would agree that we’ll have an advantage in free agency over the Bucks in coming years as long as players view the Knicks as “up and coming” because we are likely to have more space and a better market.

    A lot can happen that I can’t foresee. I may change my mind as new information comes in. But one thing I’ve been consistent about is that there was nothing wrong with the way were positioned coming into this year as long as we didn’t do anything else stupid. The longer term goal was always to build around KP and have him peaking as other contracts were coming off. Mills tested that with Hardaway and Baker, but one is irrelevant and the other not a disaster. Other developments have pushed us down into better picks than expected. So we are fine absent more stupidity .

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    I read that Blatt is saying (publicly at least) that he has not interviewed for the Knicks job.

    Does that mean he interviewed but wants to keep it quiet in case he doesn’t get the job and remains with his current team?

    Does that mean he was not interviewed and we are getting fake news?

    Does that mean he has already been told he will not get the job so he’s saving some kind of face?

    @31

    These are all good points but once again, Giannis. The 23 year old guaranteed superstar is far more valuable as a piece than the 23 year old potential superstar coming off a major injury. Everything else is frankly not that relevant, the Knicks could have the better pieces everywhere else and I’d still choose the team with the all NBA player because he’s guaranteed to still be one in the next 2 years and is still under contract.

    If KP really develops to become one then fine, those other pieces start to matter more.

    Yes, Milwaukee has Giannis. But the knicks have New York City and MSG.
    Probably, most of you have been to games at the Garden. You know that vibe. It’s a special place. Every NBA player knows. Kobe and MJ and Lebron know it. Billy Joel knows it. Mick Jagger knows it. And the fans know it.
    I remember taking my brother and his wife, big Miami fans, to MSG to during the Lebron era. They got goose bumps being there. Yeah, they had Lebron and rings. But we got MSG. NBA’s version of Yankee Stadium.
    And NYC.
    Some people hate it. Others dream of living there. When you’re playing at 7th Avenue and 34th Street, you’re not in Kansas anymore. Or Milwaukee.
    And if you make it here . . .

    I know this isn’t breaking news, but Mad Dog Russo is such a freakin’ moron.

    This is how he pronounced Toronto players:

    De Rose
    Valushis
    Van Fleet

    And no, I don’t make it a habit of listening to him, just happened to be flipping XM channels in the car.

    Mad Dog Russo is such a freakin’ moron.

    i find his voice only slightly less annoying than having to listen to bob costas call a game – i really can’t stand that guy…

    incoming hot take from a native NYer:

    Billy Joel sucks

    You guys are making the argument for who is better now.

    Not at all. I’m saying they have as much or more young talent than we do. I get that you love all the Knicks young guys but Milwaukee also has good young players is my point. Brogdon is a solid PG, particularly for a team that has a primary ball handler elsewhere. Maker has the potential to be an excellent defensive C who can make 3s. Middleton is practically the same age as THJ and is just indisputably an overall better player. Parker is extremely flawed, but if we’re rounding Dotson up to a plus player based on 474 unproductive minutes as an old rookie then surely he counts for something.

    And oh by the way Giannis is 23 and is probably going to make first team all NBA this year. I’m right there with you on the idea that KP is underrated by those who only look at his efficiency but Giannis is practically the same age as him and is already as good as you’re projecting KP to be. If you give the Bucks young guys even 10% of the credit you’re giving the Knicks young guys you’ll come to the obvious conclusion here.

    incoming hot take from a native NYer:

    Billy Joel sucks

    Hot take from another native NYer. I agree.

    Giannis by himself makes Milwaukie a better job regardless of who else is on the team. That’s the beginning and end of the argument.

    But, if you removed KP and Giannis I’d take the Knicks future over the Bucks future. Maker could be good but he is not good this year at all. Brogdon is a nice player but is 25. That’s it for young players with real potential, other than Parker who is an injury risk and about to get paid.

    Frank + our pick this year is better than the bucks youth. Burke is the same age as Brogdon and seems just as valuable, O’Quinn is a similar age to Henson and a bit better. THJr is worse than Middleton but not by a great deal. Parker would have some value if he wasn’t about to get paid $20+ million a year. They are not positioned well to take advantage of Giannis’s prime.

    But, if you removed KP and Giannis I’d take the Knicks future over the Bucks future.

    I don’t disagree with this. I just think it’s close enough to a wash (with neither collection all that impressive honestly) that it can’t come close to making up the gap Giannis has on KP. If KP was healthy it might be a case you could make, but he’s by far the most important element here and he’s coming back from a major injury. Giannis has a very good case as the best pre-prime player in the NBA. Compared with the value of that asset, the difference between say Dotson and Brogdon is basically irrelevant regardless of how you want to evaluate those two guys.

    @ShamsCharania
    27s28 seconds ago

    David Fizdale has gained serious traction in New York Knicks’ search for next head coach, league sources told Yahoo.

    If Bud wasn’t available, I’d be perfectly excited about Fizdale. As it is, he’s my second or third choice, so he’d be fine. I just worry, because of how our management works, that he’s being chosen not because he’s the best, but because Bud wanted too much money, or Mills and Perry felt threatened by him, or any other non-basketball reason.

    @41

    I agree Milwaukee is totally the better job. The downside with Milwaukie is the fan base will have high expectations because of Giannis and that might put a lot of pressure on their new coach plus there is a good chance Giannis bails in 2021 to go to a better city with a better team. So that potentially makes Milwaukie a three-year job before it completely falls apart and Bud probably wants a longer term type situation.

    I agree Milwaukee is totally the better job. The downside with Milwaukie is the fan base will have high expectations because of Giannis and that might put a lot of pressure on their new coach plus there is a good chance Giannis bails in 2021 to go to a better city with a better team. So that potentially makes Milwaukie a three-year job before it completely falls apart and Bud probably wants a longer term type situation.

    That’s definitely how I would try to pitch it to him if I were Mills/Perry. That along with the fact that by coming here he’d get a lot more control over what the team becomes. Milwaukee is, for better or worse (mostly better of course), going to be a Giannis-centric team going forward. Here, he can have a voice in the next two lottery picks that are theoretically a big part of this core and he’ll be with those guys (plus Frank to a large extent) from their nascent stages. He could build whatever team he wants here. Not sure that will be enough if Milwaukee is really on the table for him but those are the arguments I think you try to make.

    If that’s the best Toronto has this series is not going to last long. LBJ looks like he may well be on his way to an 8th straight Finals appearance. I changed my mind and think Cleveland should be the favorites to come out of the East because LeBron.

    If I were considering two different jobs that paid similarly and had similar roles, I’d be thinking about how I would get along with my two potential bosses and whether I shared their management philosophy. Then I’d think about which city I preferred to live in. A modest diiference in my team’s potential would be low on my list of factors. Since Bud just came from a job where he didn’t agree philosophically with his bosses, that has got to be an important factor in his thinking. I’d also want to work for someone who I thought was a competent GM.

    This Fizdale stuff sure sounds like BS. Not that hiring Fizdale would be a bad thing, as he’s a fine enough coach, but the whole “He has always been their #1 choice” is absolute horseshit. It is either BS meant to try to get Budz to come down on his asking price or it is BS meant to save face for when Budz takes the Bucks job (“I bet those grapes were sour, anyways”).

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    Personally, I don’t think the difference between Giannis and KP is nearly as large as people here think. I realize a lot of models say the gap is huge, but KP is already the better shooter and imo he’s also mildly the more impactful defender despite running around with toothpicks for arms and legs. Granted, he’s going so lose some development time and there’s no guarantee he’s going to be the same player when he comes back. But if does come back 100%, adds some muscle, and figures out how to play (which is a primary difference now), he has a big chance to be the kind of freak that can control a game from either side.

    Maybe the Knicks are going to do a bunch of dumb things in the next year or two, blow my prediction out of the water, and make me look stupid. That’s whet the Knicks tend to do. But I suspect the Knicks are going to be right in the mix with the Bucks in 2-3 years because several of our players are going to get a lot better and we are going to add a lot more than the Bucks. If the Bucks stay true to form there’s a pretty good chance the talk is going to be that Giannis wants out and not that they are about to become contenders.

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    I’d like some evidence (any at all) that Fizdale is actually a good coach. By that I don’t mean reputation or that someone he has a relationship with gave him a glowing review. I don’t see any evidence of it from his time with the Grizzlies. He didn’t make them better and he had a blow out with one of the stars on the team. Several other candidates have a record of developing players, improving teams, and winning important games. If they hire Fizdale, I won’t hate the move, but I’d hardly see it as a positive unless we are grading on a curve.

    I’m disappointed with Fizdale, as well, but hey, at least he’s not Mark Jackson. That’s the curve I’m grading most of these guys on.

    but if does come back 100%, adds some muscle, and figures out how to play

    Oh, is that all?

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    Oh, is that all?

    lol

    Did you watch any of his Youtube video right after the injury?

    Apparently, this injury isn’t nearly as debilitating as I would have imagined. He was pre op and his trainer already had him working on the rest of his body. It’s a mortal lock he’s going to come back bigger and stronger. I think the biggest problem is going to be shot selection. We need a good coach.

    Im what world is KP a better shooter than Giannis? Please strato, you’re better than that.

    If KP shot a .600 ts% ever for a full season we wouldn’t even be having this discussion because he would be at least on the verge of superstardom already anyway. Not the reality at all. Not even considering passing or rebounding, where Giannis is far better than Porzingis.

    Yes, if he fixed all the problems in his game the gap between him and Giannis would be indeed small. Why would I ever bank on that happening instead of just going with the guy who already does all of this stuff + has a LOT of room to still grow as a player?

    Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges will take us to the promised land"says:

    m what world is KP a better shooter than Giannis? Please strato, you’re better than that.

    “Shooting” as in give both of them the basketball in various spots on the court and see who is going to make more of them. KP will shoot better from the FT line, almost anywhere outside the 3 point line, and most other places away from the rim.

    The difference in their efficiency is mostly a function of shot distribution.

    KP takes way more mid range and longs 2s. Giannis takes a LOT of his shots around the basket.

    No doubt that getting to the basket and FT line so often is what makes Giannis valuable on offense despite not being a very good shooter. But there is also value in the spacing KP provides because he drags big men out (although I admit I can’t measure it). KP was very close to 40% this year from 3 despite taking loads of highly suspect shots from out there. There’s no reason to think he can’t average around 40% over time as he improves (TS 60%). What he has to do is get stronger so he can get to the rim and finish more often. He also has to take fewer long and contested 2s against double teams etc… That was a disaster for him this year. But he’s the better shooter. At the same time, expect Giannis to be working non stop on the things KP does better than him now.

    Brian, my fear is that Coach Not Mark Jackson will wind up just as thrilling as Coach Not Kurt Rambis.

    I just read the long Posting & Toasting piece about Fiz (where they talked to Memphis folks who followed Fiz’s stint closely) hoping for, as Strat asked evidence that he’s a good coach. There were some strong testimonials from a bunch of Grizzlies (but not Gasol, obviously) about his communication and motivational skills, but not a lot else. Getting someone who can connect with the players would by itself be a big step up from Hornacek, but the Bud resume is a LOT stronger, as is Blatt’s, and Stackhouse seems a more intriguing candidate.

    Are we missing some obvious stuff here about the guy?

    Kristaps shoots better from anywhere on the floor than Giannis except at the rim. He’s objectively a better shooter. Giannis takes half his shots at the rim and he gets fouled a lot-that’s why he’s a better scorer than Kristaps.

    Well, then just say Porzingis is a better jump shooter than Giannis. That’s not being “objectively a better shooter”, dunks and layups are still shots, and Giannis is objectively, yes, a far better shooter than Porzingis at this stage.

    Shot selection has got to be a part of what composes “shooting”. Melo is obviously a more talented shooter than 95% of the NBA, but who cares if that’s true when he goes to the court and keeps firing mid range bricks? It’s not a competition of who would score more baskets in a practice shootout.

    Bro I totally get what you’re saying but if dunks and lay ups get called into the “shots” category when we’re talking about shooters, Clint Capela is a better shooter than James Harden. That just sounds stupid. Giannis is a more efficient scorer than Kristaps Porzingis, but Porzingis is a better shooter. I don’t think there was any reason to dive into that.

    And I hope Utah beats the Rockets in a game or two just so I can stop seeing James Harden do that dumb ass step back.

    Brian, my fear is that Coach Not Mark Jackson will wind up just as thrilling as Coach Not Kurt Rambis.

    Oh, it’s totally going to be that. But at least it’s not Mark Jackson! For instance, I’m still happy that they didn’t hire Rambis, ya know?

    don’t tell him but when exum guards harden I pretend he’s frank

    I mean we literally have a guy who could have been the fourth Hansen brother

    Exum has looked pretty nice in spurts…

    Joe ingles looks the guy who cleans my parents pool

    sometimes when I’m a dick I should try to remember that some of you might be like 15 years old

    I’m 24 years old and I’m probably the youngest poster on the board here. I started reading this website when I was maybe 15 years old, though.

    If Donovan Mitchell were a Knick that would be great but it would also probably mean the Knicks would not care to rebuild patiently and would throw a max contract at Enes Kanter. I like Frank anyway.

    You guys think James Harden’s dumbass step back three is going to work against Klay Thompson? Utah is shutting it down tonight, and that’s a pretty decent sized part of James Harden’s game. It’s a terrible shot.

    Yup, Ron Baker.

    I guess I meant like legitimately good NBA player. He is on fire.

    I’m rooting for Philly and Golden State, but Utah is cool too.

    @58

    Come on, it’s not the same thing. Giannis is not an extreme case like Capela. My point was what difference does it make if Porzingis has a beautiful shot and “can” hit jumpers from anywhere if his production on the court as a shooter is below average and he doesn’t hit those shots? How is he objectively a better shooter than Giannis, simply because he hits more jumpers? If they were even close in efficiency I could see an argument, but they’re not even in the same ballpark.

    If the criteria is who’s a better jump shooter, then I’d argue it really means nothing as a point of comparison.

    I can’t root for gs. And ohilly is too close to home.. same problem with boston although I like the way their team is playing without kyrie and Gordon. No raps. Or cavs. That leaves me with Utah and the pels.

    My dream finals is Jazz vs Sixers, but I really wouldn’t mind seeing either the Rockets or Warriors winning the title.

    You guys are comparing coaching job situations, and one I don’t see anyone talking about is Cleveland’s. I’m pretty sure that Ty Lue is gone after this season, regardless of how it ends. The Cavs’ fanbase unanimously wants him out, he’s not healthy and the players are possibly not following his orders. It will be a vacant job soon, and If LeBron gives any indication about his future, maybe a very desirable one.

    I can see Fizdale and Budenholzer training the Cavs if LeBron stays (Heat and Spurs ties), so maybe they will make a decision at late May or June. I don’t think it’s probable, but it’s possible.

    I’m 25 and I thought I was the youngest on this forum. So GHR might actually be.

    I would’ve never guessed you were 25 lol. I’m 23.

    reub was definitely the youngest tho.

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