Knicks Morning News (2017.01.14)

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ hellish schedule could send them to point of no return
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 8:04:06 PM)

    The Knicks need their hellish part of the schedule right now the way TV needs another Kardashian spinoff.

  • [NYTimes] With LeBron 14 Release, Nike Is Bypassing the Shoe Store
    (Saturday, January 14, 2017 2:05:18 AM)

    Thirteen years after Michael Jordan’s retirement, his sneaker brand still dominates the secondhand market. To try to boost sales of LeBron James’s shoes, Nike is using a reseller.

  • [SNY Knicks] Phil Jackson has found a keeper with Kyle O’Quinn
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 4:15:01 PM)

    Kyle O’Quinn was part of Phil Jackson’s first wave of free agent signings in the summer of 2015, signing a four year deal worth $16 million.

  • [SNY Knicks] TheKnicksBlog Podcast: Goin’ AWOL
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 2:30:42 PM)

    Anthony Donahue and Moke Hamilton are back with another edition of TheKnicksBlog Podcast. Today, the guys discuss Derrick Rose’s absence, the team’s terrible loss in Philly, and Carmelo Anthony’s lack of hustle.

  • [SNY Knicks] Wade doesn’t think Melo would waive no-trade clause
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 11:25:33 AM)

    Bulls G Dwyane Wade doesn’t think Knicks F Carmelo Anthony would waive his no-trade clause.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hornacek unsure when Porzingis will return after Achilles injury ‘flares up’
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 8:10:00 AM)

    New York Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek is unsure when forward Krisaps Porzingis will return afer his Achilles injury “flared up again,” causing him to miss Thursday’s game.

  • [NY Newsday] Joakim Noah’s ‘preaching’ helped Knicks move on after 76ers loss
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 8:56:28 PM)

    Joakim Noah hasn’t made much noise on the court this season, but he has made his voice heard.

  • [NYPost] Is Joakim Noah finally starting to turn the corner for Knicks?
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 10:11:17 PM)

    You can make the argument that though Derrick Rose disappeared Monday, Joakim Noah has disappeared for most of this Knicks season. Except, of course, against the Bulls, who seem to bring out Noah’s All-Star grit the most. Noah is averaging 5.5 points and 8.7 rebounds per game this season, but in his two encounters against…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose perks up with his mother in NYC
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 9:45:35 PM)

    Derrick Rose’s spirits are on the rise. He has had two solid games since his return and his mother is in Manhattan. Brenda Rose flew in from Chicago and was at the Garden for the Knicks’ victory over the Bulls on Thursday — her son’s first home game since he went AWOL Monday, creating national…

  • [NYPost] Carmelo, Phil Jackson the only ones to blame for Knicks mess
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 6:13:18 PM)

    A total of 45 players have suited up for the Knicks, under four head coaches, since Phil Jackson took over as president in March 2014, according to Elias Sports Bureau. The roster has been changed almost twice over. Of course, the only player Jackson inherited, who has remained, through thin and thin, is Carmelo Anthony….

  • 57 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2017.01.14)”

    After these two back to backs our status in tank mode becomes clear.
    I’m on the fence for many reasons about tanking vs making the playoffs. I think Phil will make a deadline move to insure a playoff berth. Which could be a good thing if we get it together. I think his roster is built for the postseason as it stands.im probably in the minority in that opinion.

    Probably hoping to be a ‘tough out’ isn’t much to root for. I’m conflicted.

    The Wolves are on a 3 game win streak and Rubio had 15, 17 and 14 assists in each game.

    just sayin’, in case this team is stupid enough not to tank.

    Toronto tomorrow will be the thermometer for this team, I could surely see a crushing defeat followed by a super hard game against Atlanta on a back to back… then the Celtics at Boston, which is pretty unwinnable too, and the Wizards back to back, which has been playing quite well.

    if it’s a 0-4 stretch, which is very possible, it might prompt some moves, I hope.

    “Tough out.” This is a bottom five defense. The Knicks are the team you hope and pray to draw in the first round. Drawing them in the playoffs would be the closest thing to getting a bye.

    this roster would be swept by the Cavs if they even try to play serious, and I absolutely can’t see them winning more than 2 games, being very very generous, against the Celtics and Raptors.

    how is this team ever stopping Irving, Lowry or Thomas?

    this team is probably the easiest out of all the eastern conference playoff hopefuls.

    I have no problem with fans holding out hope that this team can win more than 41 games in a season. No one on this board should even try to mount the argument that this team can compete with the Raptors or Cavs in the playoffs. Those are series sweeps more often than not. They are really, really good teams.

    No one on this board should even try to mount the argument that this team can compete with the Raptors or Cavs in the playoffs. Those are series sweeps more often than not. They are really, really good teams

    And the Knicks are really, really bad.

    And the Knicks are really, really bad.

    how would you even begin to describe Brooklyn, I wonder

    I’m resigned to waiting for the day when the Porzingis clan takes over from the Melo/CAA cabal. KP’s injury may have kicked that farther into the future. Hard to believe his foot problem isn’t connected to that stretch where he was playing >35mpg. Another casualty of win now mode. Almost as depressing was the MSG crowd cheering Rose before game; I’m sure Phil and Dolan heard that. I’d bet Rose or Teague will be in the starting lineup next season.

    We are both good and bad.
    Atrocious and deep…
    The tale of two teams both Lacking defensive identity

    Yeah, looks like dreams of somehow flipping Rose for Rubio are going from slim to nearly transparent. However, Rose is putting up POINTZ, so I still think some team out there would take him, esp. if the Knicks are willing to take back years on another contract.

    In truth, if he were willing, Rose might be a very useful guy coming off the bench for a good team that needs to beef up bench scoring. But that’s not Minny. So, there’s his expiring status.

    Again, I think Phil waits until February before making any significant deal. By then, the need to tank might become more urgent. Perhaps if the Knicks slide to 5+ games out of the 8 seed?

    This team really needs to be careful with KP’s Achilles now or risk turning this season into a massive disaster. If he were to tear it…

    We re not trading rose. Why would Phil give up on his big acquisition. He won’t, his plan is to make the postseason with rose

    how would you even begin to describe Brooklyn, I wonder

    Nets are worse than the Knicks.

    Both are nearly unwatchable. Really, really bad.

    Not 17-65 bad, but still really, really bad.

    Unwatchable? Personally, I can’t wait to get back to dry land to watch them.

    The Knicks hover somewhere between mediocre and bad, with the ability go on occasional runs (both in games or across several games) that create the illusion that they’re better than that. They’re not as good as they looked when they were 14-10, and not as bad as they look now. For a long-term planning POV, I’d like them to get a lot worse, but right now we’re a late lottery team with potential to get hot long enough to get the 8th seed and be destroyed by Cleveland in the first round.

    but right now we’re a late lottery team with potential to get hot long enough to get the 8th seed and be destroyed by Cleveland in the first round.

    Basketball purgatory mostly

    I think happen to think the Knicks are as bad as they’ve looked during their slump – one that coincided with KP’s reduced productivity after his Christmas Day injury. We beat a pretty crappy Bulls team without Butler. Its not getting any prettier and our starters won’t get any healthier.

    Last night I had my notes ready for a game recap. I had some witty ideas of a Russian/Wikileaks hacked version. But then New York put on their perverse show, and a wave of disgust came over me — and I couldn’t stomach the joy to go through with writing about them in a fun & light way. So all I’m left with is this:

    The Knicks Suck.

    We can spin it any way we want, that quote above says it all.

    When the off-season ‘big star’ signing plays in a way that allows legitimate (and unfavorable!) comparisons to Jerian Grant, things have gone terribly wrong.

    Wrong enough that we can say with full confidence that the team is really, really bad.

    Really, really bad as in “The Knicks suck”.

    Brooklyn sux… they’ll have the first pick

    Brooklyn is in much better shape than us. If all goes equal for both teams, they will get out of their ‘suckitude’ much sooner than the Knicks.

    Check their respective salary caps for the next couple of years.

    Brooklyn is in much better shape than us. If all goes equal for both teams, they will get out of their ‘suckitude’ much sooner than the Knicks.

    Their best player is Brook Lopez, and their first round picks this year and next go to Boston, but sure, they’re well on their way.

    Nets Owner finally selected competent Spur trained manager in Sean Marks, who will follow a disciplined approach to rebuild. They will contend before dysfunctional Knicks. Bitter pill to swallow.

    The Nets have much, much, much smarter front office people than the Knicks and will rebuild the correct way. However, they’re also going to be without lottery picks for the next two seasons. Even a shitty team like the Knicks is better off with KP and two mid-first round picks in 2017 and 2018 vs. the Nets, who will have a late first in 2017 and then no pick in 2018.

    On the other side only Scola and Foye are over 30. Both expire after this season and are not starters.

    Only Lopez and Lin have a salary over 10 million.

    So a lot of cap space plus young players.

    Not saying that they are in better position than the Knicks but they surely ain’t doomed like some here think they are.

    Oh, no doubt about it. I agree that the Nets are doing everything they should be doing. But when you’re doing a full rebuild, going without lottery picks for the first two years of the complete rebuild is just toxic as all hell. So while I trust their front office a lot more than the Knicks, I’d still choose the Knicks right now if I were to pick a franchise situation, and there are very few teams that I’d pick the Knicks over, franchise situation-wise. Nets and….uhmmm….Kings, I guess? Maybe Orlando and Washington? Miami is in for some rough years, as well. Most teams in the NBA are in a better franchise situation than the Knicks.

    One thing about the Nets, too, is that their entire offense is built around Lin and he’s missed most of the season. When he plays, they look a whole lot more competent. So that plays a role, as well. In other words, they wouldn’t be this bad had Lin not missed most of the season. Their point guards are obnoxiously bad right now. And Atkinson runs a point guard-driven offense.

    Fascinating. Charley thinks that Lance Thomas is a winner, Sasha needs to play more, and Hornacek should have committed to the triangle. Also, Phil has “pushed the right buttons” even though Noah should max out at 20 minutes a game, which means even if he was a max player his fair value would be about 55% of max today and about a gazillion percent less in 2020… and Melo’s NTC, which appeared spontaneously in his “humongous” contract, is a big problem.

    LMAO CHARLIE ROSEN SAID KURT RAMBIS CURRENTLY KNOWS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT NBA DEFENSES AND PHIL JACKSON IS DOING A GREAT JOB HAHAHAHAHA

    @35
    PJ needs to hire Kellyanne Conway. She spins better than Earl Monroe did ( hope that reference isn’t too as to be obscure)

    Guys I was worried that Rambis and Phil don’t know what they’re doing but Charley Rosen says they’re great so I feel better now.

    The weirdest thing is that Rosen would be taken so much more seriously if he threw in even token criticism of Jackson. That’s how fucking fucked in the head Jackson is, he can’t even let his mouthpiece voice even slight criticism even in a situation where things are obviously going terribly. It has to be “Jackson did everything he possibly could, things just went wrong because…uhmmm…Melo!”

    Jackson won’t even let his friend get criticized. It has to be “Rambis is great. The defense is terrible because….” and then just trails off.

    That loyalty to Rambis tells me we’re stuck with this hack as long as Phil is here.

    Doesn’t matter if the defense ranks 30th. It’s not his fault. He’s a delicate genius!

    While Jackson was busy sending delusions through Rosen, did y’all hear that Melo was outraged that he was “frozen” out of the last play in the Philly game? Dude didn’t hit a shot all fourth quarter, but he’s outraged that he wasn’t given the ball when Rose passed out of the triple team to Jennings who then found the wide open Porzingis in the corner? Melo wanted, what, the ball worked back out to him? This team and its delusional top dogs.

    @35

    LOL. That chick was thirsty and mad desperate. Wow.

    Right? Holy shit! Jezebel interviewed her and she didn’t back down at ALL, just doubled down that him leaking the texts proved what an awful person he is.

    @43

    I can’t stand it when women do that. They act like you’re the greatest thing on Earth one moment and then have to badmouth you to every one the next moment when you’re not interested.

    From my perspective, that dude was smart to avoid her. She has severe self-identity, racial issues.

    @41

    You could see how mad he was on the last shot. He refused to play defense on McConnell by putting a hand up in his face. He’s a fucking disgrace.

    “Carmelo Anthony ?@carmeloanthony 1h hour ago
    I’m Thankful for ALL of it. The Highs. The Lows. The Blessings. The Lessons. The Setbacks. The Comebacks. The Love. THE HATE. Everything.”

    I was truly excited that this tweet meant he was asking for a trade, but meh, just more cryptic bullshit.

    it’s all the haters fault, Me7o, they can’t appreciate your unique leadership and stardom.

    Why does Melo even want to be here??? He’s a freaking masochist. Go play on a good team. Go away!

    Do you think #$tayMe7o has priorities other than winning? Perish the thought…

    The Nets are in a far worse position then us if you don’t consider management. We are a Toyota Camry driven by a 2 year old with a bottle full of Jack Daniels and the Nets are a Razr scooter driven by a reasonably athletic adult. Neither are likely to finish the 100 mile race to a championship any time soon, but if I had to pick one, I’ll take the Razr scooter riding adult.

    I thought Rose needed his space like five days ago, now he wants his coach to be on his ass all the time about defense.

    just make up your mind dude

    Horny should agree to coach like Thibs if Rose agrees to play like 2011 Rose.

    While I’d love to see the Knicks drastically improve on D, Rose needs to understand that Hornacek is not Thibs, and that this team is not constructed with a bunch of rugged defenders.

    I won’t believe Melo will ever leave until he does. He’s already proven that NYC+$$$ > Winning a ring. I thought the NTC was Phil’s way of telling Melo “hey, if you’re really gonna take the money and stay, you’re gonna stick it out here through richer or poorer”. Now, I’m not so sure.

    Interesting that Rosen says Melo would only waive his NTC for the Clips or Cavs. Has anyone else reported this?

    I also wonder if there’s a psychological difference in trading Melo non-NTC and him waiving his NTC bc he’d wants to leave. Since by all accounts, Melo cares deeply about his NYK legacy, waiving his NTC means he’d finally have to admit to himself that A. his championship aspirations isn’t going to work out here, B. The team’s direction has finally frustrated him enough to override his NYC love and lifestyle, and C. That his brand can’t be strengthened any further without a championship. I believe that’s an awful lot for him to have to come to grips with.

    If he didn’t have the NTC, he wouldn’t have as much control over his NY legacy as he apparently wants, and maybe he feared being traded to some random team like, say, Orlando.

    Despite what we all think about what’s best for Melo, him waiving his NTC I believe would be a deep, emotional and difficult decision for him. Yes, he wanted NY and the $$$, but the NTC = leadership responsibility with having a hand in improving them team’s direction.

    Interesting that Rosen says Melo would only waive his NTC for the Clips or Cavs. Has anyone else reported this?

    Yes, but this is the first time hearing it from such a plugged in source.

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