Knicks Sign Point Guard Tony Wroten to 3-Year Contract

The Knicks are finalizing a three-year deal with free agent fourth year point guard, Tony Wroten, according to Yahoo! Sports’ Shams Charania (who has become one of the top “scoops” guy in the business).

So far in his career, Tony Wroten has been awful. Just awful. However, he’s only 22 years old, he’s very fast (although he’s coming off of a significant injury) and the three-year deal is likely not guaranteed beyond this season (although we’ll know for sure later today when it is finalized). EDITED TO ADD: There are minimal guarantees for the 2nd and 3rd seasons. With the exploding cap, it’s basically meaningless.

In general, one of the best things you can do for your team is to sign young players to long, non-guaranteed minimum salary contracts. That way, if they hit, you get them cheap. If they miss, you cut them.

It is extremely unlikely that Wroten will hit, but since they weren’t doing anything else with this roster spot, it’s fair enough. Worst case scenario, they cut him. Slightly better than worst case scenario, they use his unguaranteed contract in a trade. Best case scenario, he is not awful.

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Howard Beck says that the guarantees on years 2 and 3 are “minimal.” Also, Wroten is very unlikely to play this season as he recovers from the surgery. So, yeah: a low-risk gamble on something for next year.

I would very much like us to cut Sasha and Seraphin right now to pick up a few more lottery tickets. Nothing else worth being excited about rest of the way.

At least they’re learning-they should have done a similar deal with Galloway last year. It’s just too bad that Wroten is terrible.

yeah he’s probably terrible.
Even being terrible he might be the best guard on the team.
I wish I were kidding.

A redeeming thing about Wroten is that he’s obviously a dribble-drive guy, and nothing hurts a dribble-drive guy more than a team that absolutely cannot shoot off his penetration. The 13-14 and 14-15 Sixers were the worst and 2nd worst 3 point shooting teams in the league those years, respectively.

I would very much like us to cut Sasha and Seraphin right now to pick up a few more lottery tickets.

Oh hell to the yes. Then again, I wanted them to do that all last offseason, too. Why give Sasha freakin’ Vujajic a guaranteed contract?! “Sasha won’t come back to the States unless the deal is guarante…hello? Hello? Did you hang up on our ridiculous demand like any sane GM would? Am I just talking to myself now?”

A redeeming thing about Wroten is that he’s obviously a dribble-drive guy, and nothing hurts a dribble-drive guy more than a team that absolutely cannot shoot off his penetration. The 13-14 and 14-15 Sixers were the worst and 2nd worst 3 point shooting teams in the league those years, respectively.

the redeeming thing about Andrea Bargnani is that he’s never had good help defense behind him and he’s more of a SG in the body of a C and no one’s ever taught him how to operate in an NBA defense and he’s never had a great PG to do the pick and pop with because he is a great jump shooter with strong hands for a man his size you just wait and see

everything will be okay once the right pieces are in place

the redeeming thing about Andrea Bargnani is that he’s never had good help defense behind him and he’s more of a SG in the body of a C and no one’s ever taught him how to operate in an NBA defense and he’s never had a great PG to do the pick and pop with because he is a great jump shooter with strong hands for a man his size you just wait and see

everything will be okay once the right pieces are in place

lol – my thoughts exactly. Poor Andrea.

Phil better not be offering anything of substance for a guy who’s been as bad as Wroten. Any guarantees beyond this year better be for 10% off merchandise at the Knicks team store.

There may be a bit of talent in there, but there’s like a 0% chance that the Knicks are the right team to harness it. There’s already a young athletically gifted PG with big holes in his game on the roster, and the coaching staff doesn’t seem to have made much (if any) progress in sculpting a quality player out of him.

I feel obligated as well to point out that the worst case scenario isn’t actually that he sucks and they cut him. The worst case scenario is that he sucks and they play him 25 minutes a game next year anyway because the Knicks don’t know the difference between a player who sucks and one who doesn’t. I don’t think that’s going to happen, but we should probably at least acknowledge the possibility.

I’d say that Wroten is significantly better at getting to the hoop than Grant, but that he’s a significantly worse shooter, which is really saying something.

FWIW Wroten averaged 12.4 drives per 36 last year. Grant leads this NYK team in drives per 36 (7.7) and that leads the Knicks by a country mile. The next most frequent “driver” at 3.05 drives/36 is Derrick Williams.

I have no idea what this means. But clearly we have a total lack of players that try to take the ball to the rack.

Hoe many times in practice do you think Wroten is going to torch Calderon only to have his shot denied by Lopez or Porzingis?

And one thing is for sure. I had never seen a worse basketball player in my life than Lance Thomas last year. He was legitimately useless, but he worked hard and turned into a semi useful player this season. If the Knicks think they can do what they did with LT, I think the kid can be good. He’s athletic, he gets to the basket, and he has good size. Can’t shoot the ball worth a lick and can’t stop turning the ball over, so maybe he’ll be useful next season when Melo is gone and we’re trying to grab a top 5 pick (hopefully he’ll lead the Knicks in minutes if we’re trying to tank).

I’m rooting for him to not suck, and he’s had some good games in the NBA. What the kid needs to do is develop his right hand and a three point jumper. But the odds say he will suck. Like almost every sucky basketball player ever.

Fun fact, Wroten career assist/turnovers is 1.

And he’s gonna be our backup PG! Yeeiii!

Tony Wroten will probably not turn out to be a productive player but there is small glimmers of hope in his 3000 minute career. His 2pt% of .477 is solid especially for a player that young, as is his 6.7 ft attempts vs 12.1 2pt shots. His 4.1 rebs and 1.6 steals is also good for a guard and his 5.1 asts is great especially since he spent most of his career playing off the ball.

His shortcomings are huge, 4.4 turnovers is abysmal (part of that is Philly’s non-system), and he is a terrible shooter as displayed by his 23% 3pt shooting and 65% ft shooting but if anything is going to improve it is his shot and propensity to turn the ball over.

He is a long shot but has NBA athleticism, ball skills and defense. If his weaknesses even improve to slightly below average he could be a net positive. Worth the gamble I think. I also see his as more of a 2 guard or combo guard. He doesn’t seem to have the ball security or decision making to be a full time PG.

His shot distribution from last year is really amazing. He had 434 FGA, 245 of which were in the restricted area. Then he shot 126 3 pointers, leaving just 40 paint/non-RA shots and SEVEN mid-range jumpers. 7 out of 434 shots were midrange shots. that’s astounding, and so not triangular.

Career TS%: .488
Usage%: 28.3
3p%: .231
3p/36: 4.2

I hereby dub thee: Johnny wRotten

Well done Phil. It’s Anarchy in the MSG!

You think Rambis will implement his not “displace someone who’s played all year and has worked hard in practice”, or will Johnny find a spot in the rotation immediately?

Hoe many times in practice do you think Wroten is going to torch Calderon only to have his shot denied by Lopez or Porzingis?

Or the rim, backboard, net, underside of the backboard…

I don’t think this move was made to improve our roster this year.

It wasn’t made to make the team younger.

It’s not to give us a threat to break down the defense and open the perimeter.

It won’t take a penny player and hope he develops into something we can trade as he develops.

It’s just a f*** you to the modern game and all its three pointers.

@19,

But we agree he will be torching Calderon, no? He has no chance to stop Wroten. None.

I’d be happy if was just trained to be a defensive specialist. Send him to Westchester and let him work on the skills they want him to develop.

Along with Sasha and Rarely in they could also cut Sweet Lou. I think Christian Wood is a good risk they should take.

His shot distribution from last year is really amazing

Turns out modern offenses don’t magically make guys who can’t shoot into effective players

It’s just a f*** you to the modern game and all its three pointers.

that’s just the thing – he’s basically playing Moreyball, just badly (at least in terms of his 3 point shooting)

I distinctly remember having an argument in which I called Bargnani the worst player in the NBA, or at least the worst that got real minutes, but then conceding there might be one worse. Yeah.

It’s all so galling, as well, to see Jackson pull this move now when, had he been willing to do this during the offseason instead of hand out guaranteed contracts to awful players like Seraphim, Sasha, Thomas and Lou, then the Knicks could have had a bunch of these young fliers with minimal guarantees, only with actual good young players. Thomas at least miraculously found a three-point shot this season, making that signing work out.

Sorry, Maurice Ndour, we have no room to get you to a minimum contract for three years with the last two years minimally guaranteed because we’re too busy giving $3 million to Kevin Seraphim for a year.

Phil clearly thought that A. this team would be a playoff-level team this year, thus no room to develop young players and B. veterans are better than young guys because….uhmmm….

Even more galling is that, besides Thomas, the other guys I mentioned aren’t even really rotation players. Guaranteed contracts to awful veterans who don’t even have a place in the rotation? How stupid were those signings?!

I just read a comment in r/nba, to paraphrase:

“He’s terrible at scoring and turnovers but he’s overall a really good player.”

……….??????????????????????????????????????????????????

I would say that Calderon might get the nod as the worst NBA player outside of Bargnani in 2016. Note that Johnny Wrotten isn’t currently in the NBA.

While I doubt Wroten amounts to anything, the contract makes me very excited. Suggests that Jackson has learned from past mistakes.

I just realized they are here in Denver tomorrow night. The question is; is it worth buying tickets?

Mo Speights plays 10 minutes per game and in that time, he shoots 26.8 FGA/48. Only Curry shoots more at 28.4.

Speights has a TS 47.4% and Curry has a TS% of 67.8%.

Mo Speights is in the running for worst player in the NBA.

I just realized they are here in Denver tomorrow night. The question is; is it worth buying tickets?

Good question. I guess it depends on what you want out of the game. They only lost by one point in Boston, and they just beat Detroit, both of whom are better teams than Denver, so there’s a good chance of a competitive game and a real possibility of a win.

On another subject, I actually saw Tony Wroten play live. It was at the Knick’s first game in Philadelphia this season. At the time he looked like the one 76er who was trying hard all the time. He may not be good but it can’t be bad to have that attitude in practice when everyone is competing for playing time.

It would be an interesting exercise to count how many times Calderon or Galloway have a lane and give up on it because they just don’t have the foot speed to get there.

Anyway, Wroten is likely to be bad, but like others have said, this coaching staff did some secret juju stuff with Lance Thomas. If Wroten can shoot 33% from 3 point range and 70% from the line (+7% from 3P range, +3% from the line) his TS would be in a respectable place like 54ish.

Also pretty sure that he’s not going to have 30 usage with Melo on this team.

If Phil can get Wroten to stop shooting threes altogether, he may be useful. Otherwise, he will continue to suck.

Anyway, Wroten is likely to be bad, but like others have said, this coaching staff did some secret juju stuff with Lance Thomas. If Wroten can shoot 33% from 3 point range and 70% from the line (+7% from 3P range, +3% from the line) his TS would be in a respectable place like 54ish.

I’m hoping that the same thing happens to everyone on the Knicks, but that ain’t gonna happen.

Wroten will be lucky to get over 50% TS for the first time in his career. He has played 3000 minutes and has shown no signs of improvement whatsoever. He is a finished product. Do not expect anything but the same. There is no magic potion that the Knicks use on their players. He is a shit player and will continue to be.

I like it. We just got younger, faster, taller, and more aggressive. The kid is 22 I believe so there’s no way one can say he’s a finished product either. I’d rather see him improve than watch Jose Sasha and Arron deteriorate while constantly getting run over by the opposition.

He has played 3000 minutes and has shown no signs of improvement whatsoever

Wrong again “jowles”. In his last full season he took his TS% from 49.3 to 49.4. Two seasons after hitting 25% from downtown he splashed 26% of his trifectas. And that’s without sharing the floor with a superstar.

I like it. We just got younger, faster, taller, and more aggressive. The kid is 22 I believe so there’s no way one can say he’s a finished product either. I’d rather see him improve than watch Jose Sasha and Arron deteriorate while constantly getting run over by the opposition.

emmm ok

Wrong again “jowles”. In his last full season he took his TS% from 49.3 to 49.4. Two seasons after hitting 25% from downtown he splashed 26% of his trifectas. And that’s without sharing the floor with a superstar.

Guaranteed he swishes 29% this year with better floor spacing

but do he have the heart of a champion???

Jax Only Knows What He’d Be Without Melo

Just what we need. Melo is making a power play to get more involved in the free agent process. If that happens, we’ll have every malcontent, headcase, pothead, and loser in the NBA on our squad in no time.

This signing is very whelming. His numbers suck, and I would have preferred we have a crack at McCallum, but we’ll see how he goes. If he sucks, it seems like he is on a pretty unoffensive deal so we can cut him. If he’s great (probably unlikely), then we have him for peanuts for a little while. At least the FO is looking to target some younger guys than some washed up vets.

8 man Memphis sticking it to the ‘land tonight in a stinging rebuke to the power of passive aggressive subtweeting.

There’s a very good chance that McCallum just wants to play for another team. Like how JaMychal Green was only interested in signing with good teams last year. When you’re locked in at a minimum contract, team fit matters a lot.

How Cleveland is finding a way to lose to Memphis without Mike Conley, Zach Randolph, Matt Barnes, Chris Andersen is beyond me. Kyrie Irving’s 5 turnovers in 24 minutes don’t help, but who let Tony Allen score 21 points so far? That might be a worse offense.

I just realized they are here in Denver tomorrow night. The question is; is it worth buying tickets?

I’m in the same boat. I would’ve said yes, but Kristaps is now questionable and I find it hard to care about this team at all right now even when he does play.

I’m guessing it’s Kyrie “guarding” Allen? He’s been Calderonish on D this year.

low risk, high reward signing. What’s the problem?

what’s the reward, again?

It’s easy to say that Wroten has high upside, but he’s got a very low chance of ever reaching that upside, so how high is it really?

The black Schved. The James Harden without the outside shot. The lefthanded Mudiay. The more fearless Jerian.

Yes!

if Wroten were 6’2″ with the same stats he’d be a bench player in China right this very moment

Well, considering how bad Mudiay has been as a pro and that he had a pretty okay run in China, I think Wroten would be a starting CBA player at 6’2″.

And the Cavs just lost a home game to the Memphis Grizzles without Conley, Randolph, Birdman, and Barnes. Irving had 7 turnovers in 37 minutes, and that may not be the worst of it. Love goes 2 for 9 and JR Smith went 2 for 11, and they played 33 and 35 minutes respectively. How bad does it look when Kyrie plays 37, Love plays 33, and LeBron plays 38 and they still lose to a team without four of their best five players? Wow. This should convince LeBron to ship Irving to New York this off season for sure.

I still don’t know why we didn’t resign schved but I’m not an afflallo fan…
I like written for the simple fact opposing guards can’t merely blow by us anymore and have to play some honest defense or get embarrassed… For that reason alone and the fact he’s 22 is the reward

he’s got a very low chance of ever reaching that upside, so how high is it really?

DRED why are you so certain of this?

The Cavs are 14-7 under Lue compared to 30-11 with Blatt.

Blatt looks better and LeBron looks worse every day, huh?

Tickets purchased for tomorrow night in Denver, $15 each for lower section! We will have a knickerblocker reporting! Plus, I’m over 40, so Rambis will likely give me minutes at backup PG ahead of Grant! And, no need to look it up, my numbers suck (+/-, PER, pretty much everything except free throw shooting if you let me move up a step)!

3000+ NBA minutes says this is a low risk low reward move. Changing the Knick City Dancers’ uniforms might have a bigger impact on the team’s performance than this. One positive is that it’s evidence that Phil is coming to terms with the fact that he’s not going to get anywhere with the triangle.

His problem so far has been shooting 3s. He shot 5.7 per 36 on 26% for some reason last year. He shot 47% and 49% from 2 the last few years. You dont think the lane will be even more open with Melo and Porzingis on the floor? He needs to stop shooting and just keep driving until he improves the 3. Hes a 6’5 great athlete pg and ppl are acting like hes a lost cause. Unbelievable. He turns 23 next month hes played 145 games. not even 2 seasons worth but nah hes a done deal.

Jerian Grant is already 23 and will have played about half as many games as Wroten by the end of the year if Wroten truly is out for the year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcyH-xlPnF8

This looks more promising than grant if you ask me

there are far too many times Calderon dribbled past the box – so frustrating Grant need to work on his finishes when driving. At least with Wroten, Grant and Williams – they drive to the hoop. Sprinkle some of them Lance Thomas grit/juju juice.

Look, I don’t think Wroten is great by any means, but 3000 NBA minutes is really a very small sample size, especially if you consider he’s been playing on literally the worst team in NBA history – a team that isn’t even trying to win or be good or develop anyone who might eventually cost more than a minimum contract.

we’re asking why oh why didn’t we sign Ray McCallum of all people instead of Wroten. Wroten is younger now than McCallum was in his first season in the NBA. They’ve been similarly awful except Wroten is 2 years younger.

Not sure who everyone here thinks would be a better sign. Maybe Tim Frazier? I don’t know. He hasn’t been very good either. We’re talking about the 15th roster spot on a bad team.

I looked at Wroten’s BR page. I had not realized he was one and done out of Washington, after shooting .161 from 3, 583 from the line, .443 from the floor and having two more turnovers than assists. But he averaged 16 ppg, which explains a lot, I guess. He was drafted by Memphis with the 25th pick of the first round, got sent to the D-league mostly and was traded to Philly straight up for a second round pick. Let that sink in. He is just awful. He shoots under .300 from every spot on the floor > 3 feet. That is rec league level. There are plenty of one and dones who follow bad advice, get drafted and don’t cut it. Just because he is on the team we root for doesn’t mean he isn’t one of them. He has shown no signs of being anything else. 55% from inside of 3 feet doesn’t sounds like anything great. (edit: I see Shumpert is .433 and Jerian Grant is .451 but .333 or better everywhere inside the arc.)

I was curious how other players who were similar to Wroten had developed so I looked up similarity scores. I found some at http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/carmelo/tony-wroten/

The list is not so bad. It’s Louis Williams, Dion Waiters, Jim Jackson, Larry Hughes, Austin Rivers, Jordan Crawford, Tyreke Evans, Marcus Williams and Quintin Dailey. It seems it’s not out of the question he could develop into a useful player. If he’s a mistake, it’s such a better sort of mistake than previous Knick’s GMs would make, that I am all for it.

we’re asking why oh why didn’t we sign Ray McCallum of all people instead of Wroten. Wroten is younger now than McCallum was in his first season in the NBA. They’ve been similarly awful except Wroten is 2 years younger.

Uh, there’s like several orders of magnitude between Wroten and McCallum both by WS/48–career .042 for McCallum vs career -.021 for Wroten (holy fucking SHIT that’s awful)–and by BPM (-2.5 career by McCallum, -4.1 career for Wroten.) Couple that with the fact that somehow Wroten is a defensive sieve despite being 6’5 and athletic, and you have one of the worst players in the league.

Anybody who thinks he should be on an NBA team is frankly deluding themselves. Especially when there are better guard prospects playing in the D-league, on waiver, or pretty much in any other league in the world.

Also there’s literally no universe in which he’s better than Jerian Grant or has “more potential.”

It’s pretty clear that Phil has never looked at any stats that aren’t in the box score and will continue to ignore said stats. It’s become even more clear that he’s a dinosaur and a shitty GM who’s only successes are that he managed to win a crapshoot in Porzingis and not trade away all our first round picks. He’s bungled literally every other decision he’s made.

The website I just cited is stats based, and not just based on “box score stats”. It shows much more potential for Wroten than McCallum.

I would also point out that it’s much harder to get WS in Philadelphia than Portland since Phillie had so many fewer wins to allot.

Of course Wroten is probably bad – no one is freaking Nostradamus just by predicting that.

Question is – is there something underneath there that might be useful?

Does playing on the freaking tankapalooza Sixers matter at all? In what other world would a guy shooting 26% from 3 point range get to keep chucking away? I think it has to matter at least a little bit that WP and WS or whatever you are looking at implies that someone is trying to win. That team wasn’t in 2013-14 and 2014-15, and is only marginally trying to do so this year.

Look, I think there is something to be said for a guy who can’t shoot a lick and yet can still get to the rim and score despite everyone in the building knowing that that’s only way he can put the ball in the basket. As a minimum contract with what has been reported as negligible guarantees for next season? Who cares? Give him a flyer. At least he has legitimate (actually better than that even) NBA size/athleticism and has a legitimate NBA skill.

Honestly, I think it would be interesting to see him play on this team. he is essentially Bizarro-Calderon.

It is a sad commentary that what we are reduced to is grasping at straws and throwing stuff against the wall to see if it sticks. Of course in two years when the silver lignin post is “we can’t be any worse, last year we gave 1500 minutes to Tony friggin’ Wroten and …”

Sadly, if he were to join the team today, he would likely be the best PG on the team.

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