Knicks Morning News (2015.10.08)

  • [New York Post] Derek Fisher in damage-control mode after Matt Barnes attack (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 04:07:45 -0400)

    The ball had yet to be tipped off for the first preseason game Wednesday night when the Knicks again were starring in their annual circus of dysfunction. Coach Derek Fisher…

  • [New York Post] Knicks’ Madison Garden sellout streak ends at 201 (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 02:23:18 -0400)

    The 201-game Garden sellout streak dating to 2010 is over. The club announced a crowd of 19,037 — below the sellout number of 19,812 — for Tuesday's preseason opener against…

  • [New York Daily News] Derek Fisher refuses to comment on altercation with Barnes (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 05:11:38 GMT)

    Derek Fisher’s first pregame speech included an explanation of his personal problems.

  • [New York Daily News] Porzingis shows rookie jitters, Knicks win preseason opener (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 04:53:11 GMT)

    Kristaps Porzingis arrived at the court 2 1/2 hours before his Garden debut, hoping to get a feel for his new home.

  • [New York Daily News] Knicks coach Derek Fisher attacked by Matt Barnes (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 04:37:49 GMT)

    Derek Fisher and Matt Barnes had a physical confrontation on Saturday in Los Angeles at the house Barnes shares with his estranged wife.

  • [New York Daily News] Isola: Derek Fisher should be held accountable (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 03:12:04 GMT)

    It wasn’t the worst season in Knicks history that has Derek Fisher on the clock.

  • [New York Times] Leuer, Warren Lead Suns to 102-98 Win Over Kings (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 04:42:46 GMT)

    Jon Leuer and T.J. Warren scored 17 points each and the Phoenix Suns beat the Sacramento Kings 102-98 in a preseason game Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Durant Feels Right at Home in 1st Game Action Since February (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 03:31:42 GMT)

    The shoulder shimmy at the free throw line, the one-legged runners in the lane, the silky smooth 3-pointers from the top of the arc.

  • [New York Times] Knicks 100, Bauru Basket 81: Derek Fisher Addresses Off-Court Issue Before Knicks Defeat Visitors From Brazil (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 03:26:41 GMT)

    Coach Derek Fisher spoke briefly about published reports that Matt Barnes, a former teammate, had confronted him at the Los Angeles-area home of Barnes’s estranged wife.

  • [New York Times] Napier’s 3-Pointer Sends Magic to 100-97 Win Over Heat (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 03:11:07 GMT)

    Shabazz Napier hit a 3-pointer with 3.5 seconds left to beat his former team as the Orlando Magic earned their first preseason win, 100-97 against the Miami Heat on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Harden’s 19 Points Help Rockets Over Mavericks 109-82 (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 02:53:50 GMT)

    James Harden had 19 points and five assists in the first half and the Houston Rockets went on to a 109-82 preseason victory over the Dallas Mavericks on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Kevin Durant Scores 15 in Return From Injury for Thunder (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 02:32:59 GMT)

    Kevin Durant scored 15 points in 22 minutes in his first NBA game in eight months and the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 122-99 in the preseason opener for both teams on Wednesday night.

  • [New York Times] Teague Leads Hawks Over Cavaliers 98-96 in Preseason Opener (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 02:09:31 GMT)

    Jeff Teague scored 15 of his 17 points in the first half and the Atlanta Hawks defeated the Cleveland Cavaliers 98-96 in the preseason opener for both teams.

  • [New York Times] Harry Gallatin, Knicks Stalwart in ’50s, Dies at 88 (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 01:43:23 GMT)

    Gallatin was a ferocious rebounder who played nine seasons for the Knicks and 746 consecutive games in a postwar era when pro basketball was a low-paid game for smaller, thinner men.

  • [New York Times] AP Source: Knicks’ Fisher Has Altercation With Matt Barnes (Thu, 08 Oct 2015 00:34:28 GMT)

    Knicks coach Derek Fisher was involved in an altercation with Memphis Grizzlies forward and former teammate Matt Barnes in California on Saturday, a person with knowledge of the details said.

  • 10 replies on “Knicks Morning News (2015.10.08)”

    From last night’s thread:

    But if you’re strictly discussing “is he one of the top 15 players at his position?” and that only, I dunno if he gets in there

    Robin Lopez is not even close to Roy “Can’t Get Him Out Of The Paint, Momma!” Hibbert…

    Robin Lopez is a capable journeyman center: not a terrible player, but not a particularly good one, either.

    He is ranked 36th among all NBA Centers by CBS Sports, and even though that particular ranking order has some very debatable choices, it does make it clear that Lopez is definitely not top-15 NBA for his position:

    Is he better than any of these 30 NBA centers?

    1. Gasol
    2. Vucevic
    3. Howard
    4. Jordan
    5. Cousins
    6. Duncan
    7. Horford
    8. Chandler
    9. Gobert
    10. Hibbert
    11. Noah
    12. Jefferson
    13. Valanciunas
    14. Brooks Lopez
    15. Nene
    16. Whiteside
    17. Thompson
    18. Bogut
    19. Drummond
    20. Kanter
    21. Dieng
    22. Plumlee
    23. Mozgov
    24. Noel
    25. Verejao
    26. Asik
    27. Zellers
    28. Pachulia
    29. Pekovic
    30. Splitter
    31. Sanders
    32. Olynyk

    BTW, that was a pretty bad Knicks team out there last night against a below-college-level Brazilian squad. Our defense was atrocious. On the other hand, it’s early and a single game does not mean much; hopefully the team will become more aggressive on defense as the season gets under way. Is Matt Barnes available? Is Robin Lopez even better than Cole ‘The Panting Legend’ Aldrich?

    A few thoughts, allowing for the fact that any preseason game, let alone one played against a foreign team, has to be taken with a huge grain of salt:

    * Melo looked like Melo — the healthy version of Melo. That’s by far the most important factor for this year’s team. Even if all the new guys play reasonably well, the team needs Melo playing well to have any shot at respectability.

    * That said, it was nice to see the team not only play okay without Melo on the floor, but for the second unit as a whole to look like a fun and interesting group. The Galloway/Grant backcourt looked much better than Jose and Sasha, both on defense and in terms of penetration and the opportunities that created for everybody else. Hoping Fisher’s not married to playing vets over young guys in this kind of situation, especially since Melo would benefit greatly on defense from having some young and quick guards playing alongside him.

    * O’Quinn did a little bit of everything, including a three-pointer with good form. If Porzingis isn’t starting, KOQ seems the obvious choice, even though we also saw some good things out of Seraphin.

    * Porzingis looked like a kid playing in his first real NBA action. He was tentative at times on both ends of the floor, looking like he wasn’t sure where to stand, and it wasn’t at all surprising when he admitted after the game that he was maybe overeager to show the crowd what he could do. But that block and those two three-pointers were beautiful. It’ll take time, but flashes of his enormous potential are what we should expect right now.

    * Cleanthony played the same day he got his wisdom teeth out, and hit a half-court shot before the buzzer. That’s badass.

    * Derrick Williams had the two nice buckets, but played no defense. Was happy to see that Fish put other guys in ahead of him, despite the big-ish contract.

    The defense was bad, especially from our starters. But that Brazilian team was better than a College team. They shot really well and were bigger than a typical college team.

    Is Robin Lopez even better than Cole ‘The Panting Legend’ Aldrich?

    He played 16 minutes without looking gassed at any point of that, so yes.

    Robin Lopez is definitely better than ~half those players

    I don’t think taking a CBS Sports list as gospel is going to work out on a board about (advanced) statistics.

    List of centers with a better single season VORP (1.7) or Ws/48 (.150) than RoLo (neither are career highs, btw) in 2014-2015:
    in VORP, >1000 Minutes:
    Marc Gasol
    Deandre Jordan
    Noah (weird result imo)

    Lopez is in at 11th. If you question the Noah inclusion (I do) then he’s top 10.

    WS/48 (of players with >1000 minutes):
    M Gasol
    B. Lopez

    RoLo is at 14. When you account for the fact that WS/48 pretty much totally doesn’t account for defensive contributions, you could move RoLo up a spot or two with confidence, at least over his brother. He’s to my mind a solidly top 10 center that gets better looking the more advanced stats you look at while also having good qualities that aren’t stats-related (good attitude, doesn’t get injured often, relatively young, etc.).

    that was a pretty bad Knicks team out there last night against a below-college-level Brazilian squad.

    They beat Real Madrid a couple of weeks ago. That’s probably the best team outside the NBA.

    We have to stop thinking that college basketball is pro-level competition.

    Regarding Lopez, he doesn’t need to be top-15 center to be an above average player.

    Right now this is all we need from him.

    I wouldn’t say that Rolo will definitely be a top 15 center this season, but he certainly was one two years ago. Last year he had injury problems and you could argue he wasn’t a top 15 center. He was close enough that it’s not really worth arguing about it in my opinion. He’s proven he’s a good NBA center with some upside. If you want to think of it in tiers, I’d say he’s not a top tier guy, but when he’s healthy he’s one of the better centers in the non-elite group. Does he have the ceiling of Tyson Chandler? No, but he could also be more productive than Tyson this year and it wouldn’t surprise me.

    I think that’s another good way of looking at it, yeah–“top whatever” determinations aren’t always useful considering the diverse range of talents players of similar skill and productivity can often bring to the table.

    I think generally there are a few top guys at each position who you can say are clearly better than their contemporaries. Think of the guard positions, where it’s extreme-you’ve got Steph, CP3, Harden, and then there’s everyone else. Obviously, there are levels among that, but when you’re saying Player X isn’t top 15, he’s top 20, I don’t think the differences between players are pronounced enough to make that distinction. In a given season Robin might be the 17th best center, but then the next year he might be the 9th. He’s a good center. At his peak he’s capable of being an all-star caliber guy, but not an all-NBA guy

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