Knicks Draft 2015 Round Table: Part 8

The KnickerBlogger staff has decided to spend the 8 days prior to the draft discussing the upcoming event. Each day will feature a different question that we will attempt to answer. Feel free to join us in the comment section!

Who do you want New York to end up with in the draft?

Kurylo: I’ve been all over the place with my answers. However with the decision on the line, I know what direction I would take. I think one of the most underrated attributes in the NBA is defense, which makes it attractive to buy. Additionally Carmelo Anthony is a scorer with average defensive skills, so it makes sense to complement him with defenders. I’d trade down with Denver, and take either WCS or Myles Turner.

Silverman: Towns. (Note: they will not get Towns.)

Gibberman: As I just said one of Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, Winslow, WCS or Hezonja and I leave the draft a happy person. The Knicks have to epically screw this up for me to get pissed off.

Fisher-Cohen: Of the players who are somewhat likely to be available (i.e. not Towns or Okafor), I’ll go with Porzingis as it would indicate a true focus on the future and a willingness to make the sort of a gambles the Knicks will have to make to have at least some chance of becoming more than just a second round playoff team in the best case.

Topaz: With Towns out of reach, I’ll say Russell or Winslow. But I agree with Brian here — the only real mistake the Knicks can make here is dealing this pick for a veteran. Knicks fans were likely disappointed with the 4th pick, but this is a draft loaded with very talented players, and the team will be very fortunate to end up with one of Russell, Winslow, Mudiay, WCS, or even take the opportunity to roll the dice on Porzingis. The key, as ever, is this: does the front office still subscribe to the fallacy that this team is one player, or one offseason, away from building a contender? If yes, we’re in trouble. If not — and they view the Draft and this offseason as the start of a long process that will require patience — the Knicks will have a number of excellent options to choose from to begin it.

Cronin: Towns is just too unrealistic to even hope for him, right? So either Okafor or Russell. At this point, I’d be ecstatic with either one of them. Okafor slightly more so than Russell.

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143 thoughts to “Knicks Draft 2015 Round Table: Part 8”

  1. I’m all in on Porzingis. A shooting bigman is a rare commodity and everything else you work around.

    That being said the general consensus from a lot of very smart people seems to be once that once Towns is off the board, we have three guys all worthy of the 2nd pick, Okafor, Russell, and Porzingis. In essence, for better or worse (depending on your perspective) the choice is out of the Knicks hand, they need to take whichever of the 3 remains after LA and Philly make their picks.

    Going after anyone else would be an overreach, and a complete waste of the 4th pick unless they trade down. Which atm seems rather unlikely.

  2. Let’s make this interesting. Everyone put down your prediction for tonight.

    Russell.

  3. In spite of all the rumors the past few weeks, I still believe the first 3 picks will be Towns, Okafor, Russell. Probably in that order. If that’s how the top 3 go I want Winslow. I’m not interested in a trade down, particularly with Boston and their collection of mid and late picks. The only reason to do a trade is if someone blows us away with an offer or there’s a reasonably good chance Winslow will still be available.

  4. I had a very vivid dream last night that the Knicks got Russell. Interpretation: Knicks aren’t getting Russell.

  5. If we stay at 4 I’d like to see Okafor, Russell, Winslow. If we reach for WCS I’d also be okay with that. I don’t want a Euro. I’m sure there’s a chance to miss the next Dirk but I want a contributor, not a Bargs. It would be suicide for the future of this team not to draft a competent starter. If wwe really want WCS I’d like to see a trade down for a future 1st or two.

  6. Russell or a trade down for 2 picks one at least in the top 10, preferably 7 (of course I have no clue how and with whom so …)

  7. That Nurkic trade with Denver is the best trade rumor I’ve seen. Also gotta think the Magic would be willing to give up something to swap picks if the zinger is there.

    I want Hezonja, but I’m cool with any of WCS, Winslow, Mudiay. Luke warm on prozingis.

  8. I think if we could get Nurkic from Den and then Draft Winslow i would fall over in glee

  9. IF this Kings/LA thing has legs, the Lakers draft Mudiay or Zinger for the Kings, right? Karl doesn’t want some big bottomed center-he wants to run

  10. I’d love to figure out a way to get those 6 and 7 picks for the 4. That’s really what I’m praying for today. Let’s hope Phil has that wrapped up. That would be Zen magic.

  11. A bit of a logistical question – anyone know about what time the draft usually gets under way? I know the TV coverage starts at 7, but I’m wondering approximately what time the first pick will get made. Got to make sure I’m on my couch in time.

  12. If Russell is available…I can see Phil taking him with the 4th pick.

    If Phil keeps the pick…I can see him drafting Winslow of Mundiay…

    If the 4th pick gets traded…I think we could end up with WCS or Lyles…

    WHO I’ll be happy with: Russell, WCS or Winslow….

  13. JUST FOR FUN!!! Picture Zinger being drafted in the 90’s…practicing with Oak, Mase and Pat…LOL!
    That being said…NO…I don’t want him with the 4th pick!

  14. I think that there will be a three-way trade with the lakers, kings and nuggets. With Sacramento getting Randle, Lawson, 7th, 27th and another future first rounder from the lakers. Lakers getting Demarcus Cousins and Nuggets getting the number 2. I would do it if i was the kings cause you could draft stein and winslow giving you a lawson,mclemore,winslow,gay and stein starting 5 with some capspace. I think that is the type of team Karl wants to put together especially if they can dump gay and pick up a danny green or demarre carrol

  15. Wow, I talked myself into too many players (Essentially everyone in the projected lottery minus Kaminsky, Booker and Lyles – and coincidentally it looks like two of those three are coveted by Phil). It’s going to be hard to be disappointed. I know they can do it, though.

    Oh, and it’s not like I think Kaminsky, Booker and Lyles are going to be bad pros… it’s just that they’re clearly role players for contending teams, so why in the hell should we draft them?

  16. I’m trying not to predict with my heart, b/c therein lies disappointment.

    If the top 3 picks could go as expected, the Knicks will take Mudiay or Porzingis, possibly with the intention of trading him for a later pick and a young player/pick. Like some of you, the latest Denver trade rumor sounds enticing to me.

    But, LA or Philadelphia could surprise. If so, the Knicks will take whoever falls.

    My fear is that PJ reaches to take Lyles at #4.

  17. My fear is that PJ reaches to take Lyles at #4.

    Yeah, mine too. I can only imagine the chaos in here if it happens like that.

  18. I love how Matt Barnes is threatening to break Quentin Richardson’s record for “traded to highest number of teams in the same offseason”. He’s already gone from Clips to Hornets to Grizzlies. I hope he ends to some team that inexplicably likes THJ, so we could trade our fearless late season gunner there and then waive Barnes for extra savings.

  19. come on thats asinine guys. Even if he wanted lyles ,he could simply trade down. NO WAY IN HELL hes picked with the 4 pick

  20. thats asinine guys

    Yup it is. But come on, you always have to prepare yourself for the worst, don’t you?

  21. really think winslow is the right pick if it’s not russell….

    hope that we can snag another pick… 1st or 2nd… lot of good players in this draft…

  22. I agree with Kurylo that we need defense, and considering all the smokescreens we’ve seen, defense hasn’t been mentioned once. We either keep and grab Winslow or trade down, get Nurkic…and Winslow.

  23. I assume Towns, Okafor and Russell are gone. I would want them in that order if available. Otherwise…

    I want WCS. Will be OK with Mudiay, Winslow or Porzingas.

    I predict they draft Stephan Marbury.

  24. Been reading more on Nurkic and Denver. I guess if the Knicks tab Mudiay at #4, that’s a sign that that rumor just might have some legs. With Denver rumored to want to move Lawson, they might covet Mudiay and want to jump over the teams at 5 and 6, esp. Sacramento.

    Nurkic did hurt his knee, which is a concern, but he’s got solid C skills and just needs to mature a bit and stop fouling so much and stay on the court.

    I like that trade so much that I’m now rooting for it. To happen, the top 3 picks need to go as expected. At 7, I wouldn’t even mind taking Lyles, but a great fantasy would be doing the trade and getting Winslow or WCS at #7. That and 2 good young free agents and…..nah, not gonna happen! :-)

  25. Have one of those “somebody who knows somebody” sources (connected to Knicks ownership) who says it’s definitely Mudiay if Russell and Okafor are off the board.

    I guess I’m ok with that, but would still prefer Winslow or WCS.

  26. I’d be ok with Mudiay if we trade Calderon…I just don’t see a good fit if they’re playing together.

  27. Mudiay and Claderon would fit great together… They have pretty much exactly complementary skill sets on offense. Calderon is a shooter who can’t get to the rim, Mudiay is a slasher who can’t shoot. I could easily see us playing 2 pg line ups with those two.

    Also Chad Ford tweeted Frank Kaminsky won’t fall past 9 and is expected to be drafted between 4-9.

  28. Now rumors are swirling that the Lakers are going to take Russell, since they feel they can get a big in FA or by trade. This is all making my head hurt.

  29. Predictions:
    (1) KAT
    (2) Russell (will chase Aldridge, Love, etc for big)
    (3) Okafor / Porzingis (in that order)
    4) Okafor / Mudiay / WCS (in that order)

  30. kindasorta offtopic and i haven’t had time to read through comments yet this morning but i gotta say…
    i’m sick of hearing ppl call up espn radio and talk about how we MUST draft a guard because it’s a guard league. it’s a copy-cat league and too many people are trying to follow the GS model. it worked for them because they have been building that team for years and have stuck with it. why can’t we take BPA. if he ends up a game changer regardless of position, what does it matter the position.

    endrant.

  31. @18 — idk, from all the shit out there about zinger, sounds like if he was surrounded by oak chewin and mase, they would’ve busted the hell outta the kid, but he would’ve taken the challenge and gotten mean. which would’ve been great.

    @30 — so what you’re saying is, they draft mudiay, contact beijing, and trade mudiay back to china league and take back starbury? sounds about right. totally a dolan thing to do.

  32. That Nurkic trade with Denver is the best trade rumor I’ve seen. Also gotta think the Magic would be willing to give up something to swap picks if the zinger is there.

    I want Hezonja, but I’m cool with any of WCS, Winslow, Mudiay. Luke warm on prozingis.

    The Nurkic rumors don’t bother me at all. I can’t claim to have seen him play, but the numbers and his size make him look like a fair prospect. And at 7 we could very well still take Winslow or Herzonja.

    I personally like WCS the best, but we are so short on talent that I would take two prospects over one I like more all day.

  33. The key to duplicating the Golden State model is to obtain Steph Curry.

    We should totally do that.

  34. Marc Stein wrote that Houston is trying to clear space to make a big FA run at someone, and that the #18 pick and Terrence Jones are up for sale. Would love to fit TJones into one of the trade exceptions, maybe give up the 2nd rounder we got from the Cleveland trade. That dude can play and at a salary of 1.5MM he’s perfect.

  35. Per Chris Broussard:

    Latest NYK info from sources: if Okafor/Russell gone, Knicks like either Kristaps Porzingis, Frank Kaminsky or Trey Lyles. Mudiay hovering 19m

    The horror… the horror…

  36. The only problem with that Denver trade is if Mudiay, Mario, Winslow go 4-6, then at 7 we either take WCS or reach for a Kaminsky/Lyles.

    I wouldn’t mind ending up with WCS and Nurkic but we would then have to move one of them for equal value at a different position, which is another risk.

    Best possible scenarios for tonight, IMHO:

    1. DRed’s “Obtain Steph Curry” Plan
    2. Towns/Okafor/Russell drop.
    3. Nurkic and Winslow or Nurkic and Mario.
    4. Take WCS, Winslow, Porzingis, or Mudiay at 4.
    5. The thing that will probably happen.

  37. I laugh audibly every time I read one of these trey lyles stories. But there’s an undercurrent of terror to the laughter.

  38. Kinda think we’re going to end up with Mudiay. We’ve literally heard nothing about him even though he’s one of the highest profile players at the top of the draft. I think all this about Hezonja and Porzingis is so teams behind us will trade up. And all the silence about Mudiay is trying to keep our intentions secret so perhaps we can get him at 5, 6, or 7.

  39. Just learned about Harry Giles, the next potential Towns or maybe even Anthony Davis (or maybe even Michael Olawakandi). Super big man prospect expected to be the next big one-and-done guy. Fortunately he’s a year away so he won’t be in the draft we don’t have a pick.

  40. I’ve come to this — I’m literally ok with anyone at the #4 pick other than Trey Lyles, who I’m sure is a nice guy and a nice player. But as THCJ loves to say, show me a player who has produced or who at least has a demonstrable elite skill.

    So – fine with:

    Russell or Okafor obviously
    WCS
    Winslow
    Hezonja
    Porzingis
    Mudiay if only because we need guys who can get to the rim and who can play D
    Kaminsky – better as a trade down but again – at least he’s improved every year and has an elite skill (shooting)

    I’m not even going to comment on Sam Dekker. The Barclays Center literally could implode if that happens, not to mention the internet would come to an end.

  41. the fears of dropping to #4 where the possibility of us doing something immensely dumb goes way up…

  42. I think that there will be a three-way trade with the lakers, kings and nuggets. With Sacramento getting Randle, Lawson, 7th, 27th and another future first rounder from the lakers. Lakers getting Demarcus Cousins and Nuggets getting the number 2.

    Boogie does not get traded to the Lakers unless the deal is ridiculously weighted in Sacto’s favor.

    The word out here in Cali is that Kings fans don’t want to see Cousins traded. More to the point, they don’t want to see him traded to the Lakers. Bitterness still runs high over the ’02 playoff debacle in those parts and that fanbase detests the Lakers infinitely more than they do any other franchise. Any perception that the Kings engineered a deal that worked out to the Lakers’ benefit and management would have a full scale fan revolt on its hands.

    All of which means: I think LA goes Russell, grooms him as the heir apparent to Kobe, and looks for a big via free agency – as it has done in the past. I can’t see Philly taking a center for a third straight year so I think they put the #3 pick up for auction. If nobody meets the Sixers reserve price, Okafor will be a Knick.

  43. PJ’s declaration that the Knicks have focused on 3 players with the 4th pick, coupled with Broussard naming 3 bigs is scary. Hopefully he’s way off, but if Phil is focusing on Porzingis, Kaminsky, or Lyles at #4, it has to be Porzingis. Either of the others is a REACH at #4.

  44. broussard has never really been too accurate… im pretty sure he’s trolling for attention…

  45. How about:

    Philly gets: #4 (NY), #33 (BOS), 2 2nd rounders next year (BOS)

    Knicks get: #16 (BOS), Avery Bradley (BOS), Brooklyn unprotected 1st rounder next year (BOS), Dallas 1-7 protected 1st next year (BOS)

    Celtics get: #3 (PHI), Jose Calderon (NYK)

    ??
    Knicks perspective: Yes it sucks to go down to 16, but we get a guard who is an decent 3 point shooter and an absolute demon on defense (say goodbye to PGs waltzing into the paint) signed to a reasonable contract for a few years, and get what will likely be 2 lottery picks next year. And we dump Calderon.

    Boston perspective: well, they are planning a godfather offer for Okafor – overall it’s 3 second round picks and 3 first round picks and exchanging Bradley for Calderon. That’s what it costs to go from 16 to 3.

    Philly perspective: they don’t want Okafor anyway. They still get whoever they were going to get at #4 and pick up a very high value 2nd rounder this year (#33) and two more next year.

  46. I love Count’s scenario, and it seems very reasonable. but can’t see it happening. One, because we never get that lucky; and two, because things I want for the Knicks rarely happen

  47. How about:

    Philly gets: #4 (NY), #33 (BOS), 2 2nd rounders next year (BOS)

    Knicks get: #16 (BOS), Avery Bradley (BOS), Brooklyn unprotected 1st rounder next year (BOS), Dallas 1-7 protected 1st next year (BOS)

    Celtics get: #3 (PHI), Jose Calderon (NYK)

    ??
    Knicks perspective: Yes it sucks to go down to 16, but we get a guard who is an decent 3 point shooter and an absolute demon on defense (say goodbye to PGs waltzing into the paint) signed to a reasonable contract for a few years, and get what will likely be 2 lottery picks next year. And we dump Calderon.

    Boston perspective: well, they are planning a godfather offer for Okafor – overall it’s 3 second round picks and 3 first round picks and exchanging Bradley for Calderon. That’s what it costs to go from 16 to 3.

    Philly perspective: they don’t want Okafor anyway. They still get whoever they were going to get at #4 and pick up a very high value 2nd rounder this year (#33) and two more next year.

    That would be a complete disaster. 3 mid-round picks and a better version of Shumpert for the #4 pick and I’ll burn MSG to the ground.

  48. 4.

    cgreene

    June 25, 2015 at 9:11 am
    4

    I had a very vivid dream last night that the Knicks got Russell. Interpretation: Knicks aren’t getting Russell.

    +100

  49. All the picks in the proposed Boston trade are appealing, but they are all for next year. We just get Bradley instead of Calderon. That doesn’t seem like much to me. Even if we got Smart instead of Bradley, who played more minutes per game than Bradley and is much younger, I would have qulams about this trade. I’d much rather get two picks by some trade in this draft, which seems pretty good, than basically wait a year to get more young good quality players on the team.

  50. That would be a complete disaster. 3 mid-round picks and a better version of Shumpert for the #4 pick and I’ll burn MSG to the ground.

    Yeah maybe. But I think Brooklyn is going to crash and burn next year and that pick is probably going going to be top 8. Dallas would be a good bet to be a western conference team to fall out of the playoffs — while they have Dirk and Carlisle they’ll never be top 7 terrible so perhaps that’d be a #10 or #12. Avery Bradley is 50x better than Shump at this point (on both sides of the ball) and has a pretty good contract (basically a wash with Calderon).

  51. While I’d prefer WCS or Mudiay, with all this Frank Kaminsky talk I’d rather for the pick to be Porzingis. Don’t get me wrong, I like Kaminsky and I think he’ll be better than folks project him to be. But if Phil is really smitten with Kaminskiy, then why not pick the better athlete with more upside? They’re similar players as far as skillset. I definitely wouldn’t take Kaminsky at 4, so if I’m Phil, it would take a helluva asset being offered up to move from 4 to the 9-13 range. Now of the teams in that range, which teams have what would qualify as having a helluva asset? Not sure. In my mind, trading down that far would hafta net us a young vet and next year’s 1st. In particular- I’m looking at MKG and a 1st from CHA or Exum or Hood and a 1st from Utah or Hassan Whiteside and a 1st from Miami. I’d even do a Calderon plus #4 to PHX for Knight and #13 and a pick if Kaminsky’s gonna be available at 13 and Phil really wants him. However, I don’t think Kaminsky gets past the Hornets at 9. They’re reportedly disappointed with Zeller and think Kaminsky would be a great fit next to Jefferson. Phil should lean on his prized pupil if he wants to trade down. I think Jordan would take Porzingis in a heartbeat and give up MKG now that he has Batum. I’m not sure if the Hornets have their 1st next year, but Phil can probably squeeze that out of MJ too by using THJ as a sweetener if he needs to. That might actually be the best case scenario if Phil trades outta the 4 spot for Kaminsky. One things for sure, I am waaaay too anxious for tonight’s draft. I will be glued to the tube at 7p.

  52. I just heard Dolan has taken over the draft process and is trying to give up a future 1st round pick to trade down and draft Trey Lyles.

  53. Nah. Dolan only trades away picks for overrated veterans. He’d trade the #4 straight up for Bledsoe. :-)

  54. Yeah maybe. But I think Brooklyn is going to crash and burn next year and that pick is probably going going to be top 8. Dallas would be a good bet to be a western conference team to fall out of the playoffs — while they have Dirk and Carlisle they’ll never be top 7 terrible so perhaps that’d be a #10 or #12. Avery Bradley is 50x better than Shump at this point (on both sides of the ball) and has a pretty good contract (basically a wash with Calderon).

    There’s really no reason to think Brooklyn can’t stumble there way into a 7 or 8 seed again in the shitty East. And even if Dallas misses the playoffs, they won’t be picking top 10. You’re probably talking about 12 or 13 overall. Last year that gets you either Saric or Lavine; 5 years ago it’s Gerald Henderson or Tyler Hansbrough; and 5 years before that it’s Robert Swift of Sebastian Telfair. There’s a pretty severe dropoff in talent the further you get away from the top of the draft.

  55. I agree 100%. Picking number four in this draft means we can get someone really talented. We shouldn’t trade this for the hope of getting two someones who are very talented in next year’s draft.

  56. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2506143-lakers-drawing-closer-to-drafting-dangelo-russell-to-lead-team-into-next-era

    Yeah, I know it’s Bleacher Report. But the author, Kevin Ding, has been on the Lakers beat for years and his reports on the team’s behind-the-scenes thinking are usually on the money. If he says the Lakers are leaning Russell, it’s probably more than just the usual pre-draft smokescreen. Okafor slipping (at least) as far down as three is now a real likelihood.

  57. I actually think the Knicks are going to get Okafor.

    Min – Towns
    LAK – Russell
    Orlando/Boston (From Philly) – Porzingis

    I think Philly trades out and the teams desperately trying to move up are doing so for Zinger not Okafor. The Knicks may get very very lucky this year.

  58. Just as a hypothetical lets say it is Towns then Russell (and not just Ding but others are reporting that the Lakers are leaning that way). Would anyone be open to giving Philly something to try to move up a slot and secure Okafor? Do we actually have anything to give up? Or would you sit tight at 4 and be content with whatever your options are there.

  59. Honestly, at least we’re not the Kings.

    Gotta figure George Karl is gone and that he’s pretty much burned all his bridges now and will never get another coaching job. Can’t come into a situation and not advertise up front that you are not on board with the team’s best player — especially with Karl’s history of clashing with his stars.

  60. Gotta figure George Karl is gone and that he’s pretty much burned all his bridges now and will never get another coaching job. Can’t come into a situation and not advertise up front that you are not on board with the team’s best player — especially with Karl’s history of clashing with his stars.

    caveat emptor.

  61. @johnhollinger: @DraftExpress Get off the bike and update your mock slacker. It’s been like 20 minutes.

    well, here’s proof that team execs DO read mock drafts!

  62. @79

    If Okafor falls to 3, Philly will certainly have its choice of multiple offers from teams eager to buy their pick. I doubt the Knicks will be able to offer anything remotely competitive.

  63. I’m still holding out hope that the Knicks trade back and get Derrick Favors for a whopper of a deal. Favors and Myles Turner plus extra would be an excellent night for me.

  64. I’ve come to grips with the fact that Kaminsky or Lyles will be a Knick later tonight. I dunno which would be more depressing, although I have to admit Ive seen Kaminsky play alot and he really is very good offensively both in the eye test and statistically.

  65. I actually think the Knicks are going to get Okafor.

    Min – Towns
    LAK – Russell
    Orlando/Boston (From Philly) – Porzingis

    I think Philly trades out and the teams desperately trying to move up are doing so for Zinger not Okafor. The Knicks may get very very lucky this year.

    What if all that happened and we took Frank Kaminsky at 4?

    Fortunately, Phil is probably drooling about Okafor in the triangle, so it would never happen.

    As an aside, if we had the #1, how much crazier would it be right now? I mean, it probably wouldn’t be a lock that we’d take Towns. There would be massive intrigue. It would basically be what we have now, times a million.

  66. The good news is that realistically, anyone we get tonight (other than a “veteran”) will likely be a substantial net positive, but man, the opportunity cost of wasting a 4-pick for some of those guys in this draft is huge…what kind of garbage season did we have to sit through last year to get to this point? Getting a “decent” piece would be a disappointment, whereas in most drafts it would be fine.

    WWJDD. Go get that booty Phil!

  67. Even if the Lakers take Russell, I think it’s unlikely Okafor falls to us. Philly wants the best asset, and that is Okafor.

  68. At this point with the chatter making me feel like we’re going to do something that sucks I’m goink to hope that it’s all smoke screens.

  69. It is. And the way the smokescreens have been laid out, if you believe them all, we’re not taking anyone, nor trading anything. Phil Jackson: Mission accomplished.

  70. @92 – I don’t think they like him & would rather trade out and grab additional chips. But I’m guessing

  71. Gotta figure George Karl is gone and that he’s pretty much burned all his bridges now and will never get another coaching job. Can’t come into a situation and not advertise up front that you are not on board with the team’s best player — especially with Karl’s history of clashing with his stars.

    I think Karl’s camp is doing damage control. I just read a blurb that suggested when Karl came to the team he was very intrigued about coaching Cousins, but it became apparent that Cousins wasn’t totally committed and had attitude problems. That soured him.

    Of course, who knows what to believe.

  72. It seems like WCS is in a death spiral on many draft boards because of the pin in his foot. That kind of thing is way out of my league. I just know that big men and foot issues are a scary combination. If there’s a real risk of surgery and missing a year, then I would guess that more or less takes him out of the discussion for NY. So it’s starting to looks like Winslow, Mudiay, or trading down for Trey Lyes or Kaminsky.

  73. Realistically zinger or mudiay. If not trade down and gamble on WCS. The next month will be a fun time to be Knicks fan. Very curious to see how this roster shapes out. Yes I’m always stupidly optimistic.

  74. I’ve also seen/heard a few accounts suggesting that people are skeptical of how much WCS actually likes playing basketball, how hard he’ll work, etc. Who the hell knows if that’s true, but Chad Ford was on Zach Lowe’s podcast yesterday and talked about how teams are putting more weight on how passionate prospects are to both play and to improve, and cited the Celtics picking Marcus Smart over a couple of players they thought were more physically talented because they felt he wanted it more and would be more valuable in the long run as a result.

    I’m no mind-reader, but that could be part of the WCS drop as much as the foot thing.

  75. Broussard now claiming that Mudiay is the guy if there’s no trade down (and assuming Russell/Okafor don’t fall to us), and that if there’s a trade-down then Kaminsky is the target.

    Re: the trade-down — since the Hornets are hot for him at #9 that means a trade down with teams 5-9 with the likeliest possibilities being Sacramento (Mudiay for #6 + Mclemore!!! yes, please), Denver (#4 for #7 + Nurkic – good enough). Not sure there’s really a fit for Detroit unless it involves future detroit draft picks. Charlotte could theoretically give us MKG (that would be amazing) or Cody Zeller + #9. I would be fine with any of those.

    Re: Mudiay – if we keep him I’m fine with that. It’s a wing-driven league now but there are very good wings in FA (Carroll, Danny Green, Wes Matthews, Middleton, etc.). I’d like WCS but somehow it sounds like he is dropping like a stone. Not sure what that’s all about.

  76. Chad Ford was on Zach Lowe’s podcast yesterday and talked about how teams are putting more weight on how passionate prospects are to both play and to improve, and cited the Celtics picking Marcus Smart over a couple of players they thought were more physically talented because they felt he wanted it more and would be more valuable in the long run as a result.

    lol

    @ESPNSteinLine: Whispers getting louder that the Celtics are willing to surrender prized guard Marcus Smart if it gets them in upper reaches of lottery

    Yeah, they prize him so much they’re trying to trade him.

  77. Marcus Smart was also really good last year.

    Granted, I’m something of a Smart fanboy (I think I said I would have taken him first last year, once Embiid got hurt), but you could do a lot worse than a package with him. He’ll almost certainly turn out to be a better pro than a few of the top 5-6 guys this year.

  78. Yeah the Celtics particularly prize Marcus Smart’s stellar .491 TS%

    That’s better than 9 Knicks last season!

  79. That’s better than 9 Knicks last season!

    Can’t set the bar much lower than that

  80. That’s better than 9 Knicks last season!

    Is that a real stat? Holy shit, am I glad I stopped watching after game 20 or so.

  81. It’s funny, I had resigned myself to Mudiay a while back, but the basketball gods didn’t like that I was calm about it, so they decided to throw out all of these scenarios where Okafor or Russell could realistically be there at #4 just to get my hopes up so that they can dash them. Because, as you all know, dashed hopes are a big part of what we do around here.

  82. I’m still enamored with WCS and think some team is going to get a major steal if he falls out of the top 8.

    I Nurkic & the 7 for the 4 is pie-in-the-sky, but if Denver wants Mudiay I would take any asset and gladly drop down to 7 and take WCS.

  83. Because, as you all know, dashed hopes are a big part of what we do around here.

    I seriously wonder what Woodson made of Kerr’s tactics in the finals re: going small even against the overwhelming size of Mozgov and Thompson.

  84. I’m still enamored with WCS and think some team is going to get a major steal if he falls out of the top 8.

    I Nurkic & the 7 for the 4 is pie-in-the-sky, but if Denver wants Mudiay I would take any asset and gladly drop down to 7 and take WCS.

    Agree 100%
    Although I’m fine with Mudiay. Just don’t take Trey Lyles at 4 and I’ll remain sane.

  85. Phil would ideally like a big who can post and pass, which would give a smallball D fits

  86. I’m fully prepared to any result the draft may yield. In fact, I’m totally wasted. I’m not saying I recommend it to everyone of you, but honestly it helps. A lot :-)

  87. Windhorst says “The Celtics are prepared to make a “Godfather”trade offer to the Philadelphia 76ers if Duke’s Jahlil Okafor should slip to the No. 3 spot tonight in the NBA Draft”
    Philly are likely going to have 4 first rounders next year, without the Celts giving them more (who will have at least 3 next year, maybe 4). Does a team really need 6 or 7 first round picks in the same draft? That would be insane.

  88. So the new rumor is the Knicks trading melo & 4 to the wolves to get to #1 to draft kaminsky. I may be drunk too

  89. I also heard that they’re gonna trade Calderon & #4 to Brooklyn for Lopez, Williams & #29.

  90. I heard that Okafor will drop to 4, the Knicks will nab him and then trade Calderon for LaMarcus Aldridge, and that an air conditioner will fall from 31st st. and land on James Dolan’s head.

    But it might have been a dream, I’m uncertain.

  91. Does a team really need 6 or 7 first round picks in the same draft? That would be insane.

    At some point they’re going to have to package a ton of picks into a deal to get a single player (or pick). I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see them be aggressive tonight in terms of trading back into the first round to make a 2nd pick using some of their future picks.

  92. Ford’s new mock has us taking Mudiay, but looking to trade down for Frank the Tank. Oy.

  93. His whole purpose in life is to work as a conduit for sources. The tricky thing for him is discerning which source is telling the truth and which source is blowing smoke up his ass. His sources are telling him Mudiay and that they’re interested in Kaminsky, but they could be wrong.

  94. (K) Nicknames for Kristaps Porzingas. I know he’s “The Zinger” but let’s stretch a little.

    KRS 1
    Porzy
    STAP (Stand Tall and Planted)
    Kristy
    Kraps
    Kristle Ball
    Gas
    Por Man’s Dirk

    I kid I kid, it’s what I do. They can take him if they want. Fuck it. He’s no more or less like Bargs than anyone else, Euro or not. Someone said it. If he was Chris Porzingas and played at Wake we’d be having different conversations. The only real problem with Euros is that average fans don’t see enough of them.

  95. Fuck I’m still awake, I probably will still be during the actual draft. The horror!

  96. Nah, we’re gonna trade the #4 pick for #7 and Luke Ridnour. Is Luke Ridnour on the Nuggets? Who knows!

  97. @126 – i dunno it’s all speculation now… i do know ford changes pretty often on draft day…

  98. @131 – He’s a Thunder right now, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets traded 3 more times just during the draft.

  99. See Bleacher Report rumor – 3 way trade with NY, Sacto, and Den – Knicks trade #4 and end up with 6 & 7 in this year’s draft. If Russell is gone I’d do that. Likely end up with some combo of 2 of the following: Mudiay, Winslow, WCS, Zinger, or Johnson. Reduces the risk.

  100. Let’s just hope Wee-Bey isn’t saying “the Knicks done fucked up they draft again” a few hours from now.

  101. Trading the #4 for #6 and #7 would be a triumph. Tankfest 2015 will have all been worth it if this team ends up with #6 and #7.

  102. The 6 and 7 would be wonderful beyond words. As I said earlier, if that miracle were to happen, the Knicks should look to see if they can trade back the 7 and pick up some more.

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