Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.

Saturday, November 17, 2018

Knicks Morning News (2018.11.08)

  • [NYDN] Knicks knock off Hawks — but only after raving about Zion Williamson and other possible future teammates from Duke, Kentucky game
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 8:25:00 PM)

    ATLANTA – You know a college basketball game was exciting when NBA players are still trash talking each other 24 hours later.

    On Wednesday night, the Knicks knocked off the Hawks for the second time this season and picked up win No. 4 when they defeated Atlanta 112-107. After trailing at the half…

  • [NYDN] Ex-Knicks coach Derek Fisher: I wouldn’t have taken job if I knew running triangle was a requirement
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 7:55:00 PM)

    If Derek Fisher knew he’d be forced to run the triangle, he would’ve never been the Knicks coach.

    He just never thought to ask.

    The 44-year-old made that claim to FS1 in an interview that will be aired Thursday, indicating that he didn’t have enough confidence or experience to question Phil Jackson….

  • [NYDN] Knicks coach David Fizdale calls last two years in U.S. an ’embarrassment’
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 5:25:00 PM)

    ATLANTA – David Fizdale still refuses to “shut up and coach.”

    The Knicks head coach has a history of his using his platform to speak on social issues and that continued on Wednesday evening as his team and the Atlanta Hawks prepared to face off for the first time since the season opener.

    Before…

  • [NYTimes] Knicks 112, Hawks 107: Knicks Hold On for Road Win Against Lowly Hawks
    (Thursday, November 08, 2018 4:47:12 AM)

    Tim Hardaway’s 34 points helped the Knicks end a two-game losing streak and beat Atlanta.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: Dirk Nowitzki Knew LeBron Would Pass Him, but He’s Still Gunning for Wilt
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:55:53 PM)

    Nowitzki has yet to play this season as he recovers from an ankle injury, but he has plenty to say about chasing LeBron, off-season dieting and Dallas Mavericks rookie Luka Doncic.

  • [NYTimes] Keeping Score: The N.B.A. Sets a Blistering Pace, Leaving Defenses in the Dust
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 8:50:35 PM)

    The game is being played faster than at any point since the late 1980s, and that, combined with a rule change, has scoring way up.

  • [NYTimes] The N.B.A.’s Playground-Style All-Star Draft Will Be Televised, This Time
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:14:22 PM)

    After taking heat for having its All-Star team captains — Stephen Curry and LeBron James — pick their squads in secret last season, the N.B.A. has agreed to broadcast the draft in January.

  • [NYPost] Trey Burke sits as Emmanuel Mudiay gets nod
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:37:23 PM)

    ATLANTA — The point-guard carousel kept spinning Wednesday and Trey Burke wound up getting his first DNP since his early days as a Knick last season. The starting point guard to begin the season, Burke didn’t seem too understanding of the snub, though Frank Ntilikina and Emmanuel Mudiay both performed well. The surprising part is…

  • [NYPost] Tim Hardaway Jr., Frank Ntilikina lead Knicks past Hawks again
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 5:26:49 PM)

    ATLANTA — The Knicks are unbeaten … against the hapless Hawks. The starting backcourt of slumping Frank Ntilikina and ailing Tim Hardaway Jr. teamed up to lead the Knicks past the Hawks 112-107 Wednesday at State Farm Arena. Hardaway returned after a one-game absence caused by a sore back to score 34 points against his…

  • [NYPost] Another legend visits Knicks, with Kevin Knox bond in mind
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 12:40:58 PM)

    ATLANTA — Add another name to the list of Knicks Hall of Famers to address the club: Bernard King. Knicks coach David Fizdale continued his campaign promise in bringing in distinguished Knicks alumni to spread their wisdom — and he especially wants King to bond with rookie lottery pick Kevin Knox. King, who lives in…

  • [NYPost] Kevin Knox noticed Duke’s stars, and let Knicks’ dreaming begin
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 9:27:36 AM)

    ATLANTA — Playing its first game since Kevin Knox left for the NBA draft, Kentucky got overwhelmed Tuesday by Duke’s freshman power trio — one of whom could be Knox’s teammate next season. Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett and Cam Reddish led Duke with their brilliance to a stunning 118-84 romp over John Calipari’s Wildcats, and…

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks Takeaways from 112-107 win over Hawks on the road
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 10:39:13 PM)

    The Knicks stumped Trae Young and the Atlanta Hawks with a 112-107 win on the road Wednesday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks, Hawks set to square off at MSG on Wednesday at 7:30 p.m.
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 5:28:13 PM)

    Two of the youngest teams in the NBA meet Wednesday when the Atlanta Hawks host the New York Knicks in their second meeting of the season.

  • [SNY Knicks] WATCH: Potential Knicks Draft target Zion Williamson electric in Duke debut
    (Wednesday, November 07, 2018 9:57:47 AM)

    Pay attention, Knicks fans: Duke’s Zion Williamson is living up to the hype.

  • 15 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.11.08)

    1. chrisk06811

      Derek Fisher……how do you NOT ask if you have to run the triangle, when you know the guy ran the triangle for decades, and you ran it when you played for him? texting Matt Barnes to sucker punch him.

    2. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      I thought that was an hysterical bit of revisionist history and fake news. Running the triangle was all over the press.

    3. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      But at this point, the stats are pretty obviously in Mudiay’s favor on both ends.

      Everyone knows that Mudiay is further along with his handle and passing skills. He’s the more natural PG. The problem is he can’t defend or shoot (but is more willing to do so).

      There’s nothing in Mudiay’s multi-year record that indicates he can be an NBA player other than his size, athletic ability, and some PG skills. I have no problem with trying to develop him, but one of these players is already close to being an elite defender and just needs to add a 3 pointer to be an above average NBA player. The other is bad on both sides of the ball and older.

      If you want to argue that Frank would be better off playing off the ball and the Knicks should continue their search for a traditional PG, I have no issue with that. We’ll see how that work out. If you want to argue that Mudiay s the better player/prospect or better on “both” sides of the ball, that’s delusional no matter how it all turns out.

    4. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      The Knicks took a chance on a bunch of guys and it’s looking like Noah Vonleh and Dame Dotson are clear keepers. Hezonja and Mudiay should go, Trier looks good but needs more minutes before we say anything definitive (we thought Landry Fields was the next John Havlicek), and Frank Ntilikina is somebody we can debate until the cows come home. This is why you take chances on young guys, because you might get useful guys like Vonleh, Trier, and Dotson for next to nothing.

    5. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      The Knicks “bottomed out to get Porzingis” by locking down their most valuable trade asset to a Mega Max extension along with a no trade clause and trading their second most valuable trade asset for Jose Calderon and Samuel Dalembart. In other words, they did not bottom out to get Porzingis, Phil Jackson just misunderstood how shitty the team was and then, when they were 5-35, he then started dealing away players (when they were already 5-35!) and then as soon as he could, he filled the team up with short term veterans and then signed a bunch of long-term free agents and traded for Derrick Rose.

      I disagree with most of this, but you already know that. :-)

      Phil inherited a team with multiple missing draft picks and a several players that were immature trouble makers or that wanted out. He decided to blow it up. After seeing how bad they were later after that, he put Melo on the shelf early for surgery in order to bottom out and rebuild with a combination of the remaining 1st round draft pick (that turned out to be Porzingis), anything he could salvage or find in the 2nd round (guys like Early and Ant that didn’t pan out), and a mix of FAs, and Melo.

      From there you can legitimately debate the moves.

      You already know which I think were bad and which I think were just cap space rollovers or one year low risk moves that were blown out of proportion.

      However, the goal was to continue using a mix of draft picks (ultimately KP, Frank, Dotson, Willy etc..), cap space (that went to Hardaway and Baker via Mills) and continue to slowly get better. That’s the way rebuilds are generally supposed to work. You are supposed to bottom out and then slowly get better. You aren’t supposed to bottom out and continue to get worse.

      This team is younger and picked up some good prospects via draft, but we have no idea what Phil would have done with that same cap space or who he would have drafted or traded.

    6. Hubert

      Missed the game last night. I’m curious how much, if at all, Frank influenced Trae’s poor shooting night.

    7. Owen

      Derrick Rose 7-9 from three last night. Mudiay is bad but not as bad as I expected so far this year.

    8. Hubert

      The KD dream went out the window when Courtney Lee developed neck problems.

      Nope. You can stretch Lee, buy out Lance, hold on to the cap holds for Burke and Porzingis, include the cap hold of the #1 pick in the draft, include empty roster slots, and still create a max salary for Durant without having to dump anyone on the roster. Downside is it would leave you only the room exception to split between Vonleh and Trier if you wanted them back.

      Alternatively, we could probably attach the two Hornet picks or a deeply protected Knicks future 1st to get another team to take the last year of his contract off our hands and that would leave you with $4.5mm in space to give real contracts to Trier and Vonleh and still use the room if you want to.

      The Knicks have a lot of flexibility this summer.

    9. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      Missed the game last night. I’m curious how much, if at all, Frank influenced Trae’s poor shooting night.

      From casual observation: He was all over him preventing him from being a major part of the action when he was on the court in the 1st half. He got in foul trouble and Trae also did better against him in the 2nd half. Frank looked very good last night, but he missed an easy shot near the rim and had a couple of “Frank being indecisive” TOs.

    10. Z-man

      Strat, again I have to clarify that my comment refers to only this year’s stats, which unequivocally favor Mudiay over Frank at this point, even on defense. What bugs me is that the same people that defend Frank by saying “It takes years to develop into an NBA PG, he’s only 20!” are completely dismissive of Mudiay’s prospects for developing at age 22.

      I’m with you in that I don’t think we should count on Mudiay being our PG of the future either. But he has a much greater chance of becoming a legit NBA PG than Frank does. And that’s not saying much because Frank’s chances are somewhere around the “snowball’s chance in hell” mark, while Mudiay is in the “highly unlikely” range.

      At the very least, use the same standard to judge both players and stop with the endowment effect/confirmation bias bullshit.

    11. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      We can’t stretch Courtney Lee, can we? We already used the stretch provision on Joakim Noah. I’m pro KD to NY myself, I just don’t think we’d be able to make the necessary moves to clear the books for him.

    12. Hubert

      You can stretch as many players as you want as long as dead cap space doesn’t make up a certain percentage of the cap. I’m not sure exactly what the percentage is. Maybe 20%? Whatever it is, we’re not close. We can definitely create the room without having strip the roster.

    13. thenoblefacehumper

      Phil inherited a team with multiple missing draft picks and a several players that were immature trouble makers or that wanted out. He decided to blow it up. After seeing how bad they were later after that, he put Melo on the shelf early for surgery in order to bottom out and rebuild with a combination of the remaining 1st round draft pick (that turned out to be Porzingis), anything he could salvage or find in the 2nd round (guys like Early and Ant that didn’t pan out), and a mix of FAs, and Melo.

      He did the polar opposite of “blow it up.” He signed its most prominent player to what was at the time the largest contract in the NBA with a full no trade clause.

      He proceeded to acquire players who only made sense to acquire if you wanted to try to be good the very next season in Calderon/Dalembert/Seraphin, then Afflalo/Williams the next offseason, and Rose/Lee/Noah the offseason after that.

      He NEVER came close to “blowing it up.” He was constantly trying to reach .500 by his own admission to Peter Vecsey. For whatever reason, he viewed .500 as some how vindicating of everything he was trying to do. It speaks to his mind boggling incompetence that he had a very stupid goal (reach .500 no matter the future costs), and couldn’t even reach that relatively-easy-to-accomplish goal.

    14. Stratomatic "Is Dotson our best two-way player with Porzingis out?"

      Strat, again I have to clarify that my comment refers to only this year’s stats, which unequivocally favor Mudiay over Frank at this point, even on defense.

      I’m not buying any stat that suggests Mudiay is defending better than Frank. The sample has to be too small. The eye test is far from perfect, but imo Frank is defending much better.

    Leave a Reply