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Knicks Morning News (2018.10.22)

  • [NYDN] Kevin Knox to miss at least a week with ankle sprain; Analyzing how his injury affects the Knicks
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 12:15:00 PM)

    Kevin Knox will miss his chance to face his idol Kevin Durant at the Garden.

    The rookie is out at least a week – but probably longer – after an MRI on Sunday confirmed a sprain in his left ankle, according to the Knicks. The 19-year-old, who suffered the injury in the first quarter of Saturday’s…

  • [Hoops Rumors] Knicks Notes: Porzingis, Knox, Dotson, Hezonja
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:05:58 PM)

    Knicks coach David Fizdale has enjoyed the presence of Kristaps Porzingis at practice and games, with Porzingis still months away from a potential return to the court after tearing his ACL in February. Porzingis, 23, has mostly been away from the team rehabbing his injury, but was at Madison Square Garden when the Knicks took […]

  • [Hoops Rumors] Kyrie Irving Would Have Considered Joining Knicks
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 10:58:49 AM)

    Kyrie Irving took the suspense out of his free agency plans by announcing that he will remain with the Celtics, but he said Saturday that the Knicks would have been in the running if he had wanted to change teams, relays Peter Botte of The New York Post. Irving made the remarks during Boston’s first […]

  • [SNY Knicks] Kevin Knox won’t travel with Knicks on road trip after MRI confirms ankle sprain
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:47:14 PM)

    Knicks rookie F Kevin Knox will not travel with the team on their upcoming two-game road trip after an MRI confirmed a left ankle sprain, the team announced Sunday.

  • [ESPN] Knicks rookie Knox (ankle sprain) to miss week
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 2:59:49 PM)

    Knicks rookie Kevin Knox will be sidelined for at least one week due to a left ankle sprain.

  • [NYPost] Knicks’ plans get twisted as Kevin Knox caution flags arrive
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 4:44:00 PM)

    The Knicks are 1-2, losing by a total of four points on last-second outcomes. But the only loss that matters is rookie lottery-pick Kevin Knox, who could be out for at least two weeks with a sprained left ankle, as they begin a two-game road trip in Milwaukee on Monday and Miami on Wednesday. The…

  • [NYPost] Voice from Phil Jackson era now ripping Knicks for Mario Hezonja
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 7:21:42 AM)

    Bitter ex-employee much? Clarence Gaines Jr., Phil Jackson’s former right-hand man as Knicks special adviser, went on a Twitter attack again Sunday morning following the Knicks’ final-second loss to the Celtics on Saturday night, this time going after team president Steve Mills’ and general manager Scott Perry’s decision to sign Mario Hezonja as a free…

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: N.B.A. Soft-Pedals Suspensions for Lakers and Rockets’ Fistfight
    (Monday, October 22, 2018 2:34:48 AM)

    Almost doubling the penalty for Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo and Brandon Ingram would make it a fair punishment.

  • [NYTimes] Lakers and Rockets Let Fists Fly in LeBron James’s First Home Game
    (Sunday, October 21, 2018 1:42:17 PM)

    The Lakers stars Brandon Ingram and Rajon Rondo, and Houston guard Chris Paul were ejected for fighting during the Saturday night matchup at Staples Center.

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    66 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2018.10.22)

    1. alsep73

      I love looking at the early season per game leaders. You get some bizarre stuff, like Kemba Walker leading the NBA in PPG and JJ Barea being tied for the lead league in Assists Per Game.

      Kanter and Hardaway are both hovering around the top 10 in a bunch of categories (PPG, rebounds, FG%, steals), and in ways that seem pretty sustainable given both the construction of this team and the way they both play the game. We’re not going to be a good team this year, but if they keep up those totals, is it possible we could somehow wind up with two All-Stars? (My guess is Hardaway is more likely to be selected if either of them are.)

    2. Brian Cronin

      Kanter and Hardaway are both hovering around the top 10 in a bunch of categories (PPG, rebounds, FG%, steals), and in ways that seem pretty sustainable given both the construction of this team and the way they both play the game. We’re not going to be a good team this year, but if they keep up those totals, is it possible we could somehow wind up with two All-Stars? (My guess is Hardaway is more likely to be selected if either of them are.)

      No DeRozan, so yeah, it’s definitely possible, but there are still a lot of guards who would likely get the nod ahead of THJ, like Kyrie, Wall, Beal and Oladipo. If you add in Walker and Lowry, it’s a lot tougher to see THJ getting a spot there. Middleton is a wild card, as well.

    3. alsep73

      Fair point, Brian. We’ll have to see if he keeps up the Pointz, though if our record is terrible, even that might not matter. Since I’m Team Tank (or, at least, Team I’m Only Okay If We Win On The Backs Of The Kids), that’d be fine.

      Knox is out at least a week, and probably longer. That unfortunately means Lance isn’t coming out of the starting lineup anytime soon. Question is how Knox’s minutes get split up between Dotson, Hezonja and (if he ever gets healthy) Lee. Dotson’s a good rebounder for a guard, but could he play power forward for more than a few minutes at a time, even in the NBA of 2018? I’d rather see him get the time than Mario, though, whose awful defense got called out by Clarence Gaines on Twitter over the weekend.

    4. Max

      I like to be surprised at the start of the season,
      first I watched the Hawks and came away very impressed by Young, he attacked the rim and dished out some really good cupcakes,
      then watched Clippers-Rockets, the Clips are feisty, SGA is more advanced than I thought, Melo is inching closer to retirement. The playoff race in the West will be very very fun.

      Milwaukee’ll be a hard test for our youngster, Middleton is overlooked but he’s a very good player, Lopez is one of the few players that can handle Kanter (and hit threes on the other side) and Giannis is a monster…

    5. wetbandit

      Kanter, Hardaway, and Lance give us so minutes, soaking up such a high usage, and giving up so little value and wins, it may be exactly what we need to tank (Lee too. I always wonder about Kanter, though- if his defense is not terrible, he may be a plus player, and he is one right now, but I’m not holding my breath)

      Obviously, without them we’d be losing much more with something awful like Burke/Baker/Frank/Knox/Robinson, but we’d never end up with that kind of starting lineup, and likely go 0-82.

    6. thenoblefacehumper

      OKC could sure use a player like Courtney Lee. Their 3PT% is currently a cool 29% and their starting SG is Terrance Ferguson.

      It’s very difficult to make a trade work salary wise, though. So much so that it probably can’t happen. Don’t sign guys who are ideally your 7-8th best player to big contracts, kids.

    7. wetbandit

      Oh, and pointz from Kanter with an improved defensive reputation (giving the benefit of the doubt for now, but barf), pointz from Hardaway with a borderline-all-star rep (barf), and a starting 3/D defensive stalwart Lance Thomas (double barf), may be much easier to trade later, so great.

    8. Hubert

      If we pump Hardaway up to all star status based on high-volume inefficient scoring and trade him to some dumb team for a pick we would pretty much come full circle from the Bargnani trade.

      Alas, if he’s averaging 22ppg on ~20 shots, I fear we’re more likely to think he’s a building block who’s earning his salary. I hope we’re smarter than that, but between the Hardaway contract and the selection of Knox, I’ve seen no indication that this front office values efficient scoring from its wing players.

    9. alsep73

      Lance isn’t somebody we need to trade in season unless he’s somehow useful in offloading Lee or Hardaway’s contracts. His deal next year is mostly unguaranteed. So we can either release him to create cap space to sign a free agent, or if we strike out, we can trade him to a team that needs space to sign a free agent and is willing to give up an asset for that space.

      Back in the 90s, there was a big man (I think it was Tim McCormick) whose contract was so onerous, a 1st-rounder was attached in order to trade him, and it kept moving with him as he was traded to other teams. A friend and I joked that he was a draft pick in human form. Next season, Lance becomes cap space in human form.

    10. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Interesting that Clarence Gaines was very critical of Hezonja’s defense (positive towards Dotson) and mildly critical of Hardaway’s defense (two non Phil players). He backtracked a little on the latter saying that Fizdale is trying to make Hardaway a more complete player and coaches will almost never switch defensive assignments on the last play, but he was pretty clear that Frank should have been on LeVert.

    11. alsep73

      Gaines is definitely being a homer about his/Phil’s guys, but he’s also not entirely wrong in either case. I do think Fiz is right to try to get Hardaway to focus more on his defense, whether or not he can succeed. So in the long run, putting him on LeVert wasn’t an awful call in a year when we’re not trying to win. Hezonja, though, isn’t trying, and isn’t realistically a long-term piece.

    12. DRed

      Timmy has been playing pretty well. I’m a bit skeptical he keeps it up, but he hasn’t been the problem so far.

    13. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Hezonja will probably not stick but I like Vonleh as our O’Quinn replacement so far.

    14. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I hope we’re smarter than that, but between the Hardaway contract and the selection of Knox, I’ve seen no indication that this front office values efficient scoring from its wing players.

      I have to agree.

      I think they value athleticism and guys that create their own shot too highly. I have no problem with putting some value on athleticism and the ability to create off the dribble, but with those talents often comes an inability to use sound judgement when it comes to shot selection.

      If you are Steve Novak, shot selection is typically easy.

      Am I wide open from 3?

      1. If Yes, shoot.
      2. If No, pass.

      If you are quick, can handle the ball, elevate on your shot, and make shots off the dribble often enough to be marginal, you have a tougher decision that will depend on the shot clock, who is defending you, who else is on the court, are they open, who is defending them, etc…

      D’Antoni had a great quote when asked about Nate Robinson. This is a paraphrase.

      “The best thing about Nate Robinson is that he can get his own shot any time he wants. The worst thing about Nate Robinson is that he can get his own shot any time he wants.”

    15. alsep73

      “The best thing about Nate Robinson is that he can get his own shot any time he wants. The worst thing about Nate Robinson is that he can get his own shot any time he wants.”

      The same could be said about JR, Melo, TH2, and many other players we’ve had under various administrations. The years go by, but we’re still the Knicks.

    16. d-mar

      Gee, who would have thought replacing Ariza’s and Mbah Moute’s minutes with Carmelo Anthony, James Ennis III and Gerald Green would have resulted in Houston’s defense going to shit?

    17. Ben R

      I agree with DRed that THJ has not been the problem. I have doubts he can keep it up and his shot selection can be frustrating but he is playing well so far this year.

      His WS/48 so far this year is higher than Beal, Thompson, DeRozan, Oladipo or McCollum has ever had in a season, and his BPM is better than all but one of Beal, Thompson, and Oladipo’s seasons and better than DeRozan or McCollum ever had.

      Like I said it is unlikely he will keep it up and a very small sample size but I really don’t understand everyone complaining about how he’s played so far this year. Let’s at least wait till he falls back to Earth to carve him up.

    18. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      If Tim Hardaway Jr can shoot threes at his current 39% rate all season, then his name will be in the rumor mill all season long. He takes a ton of shots and almost never looks to pass, but some teams would look at his shooting and take a chance.

      And Courtney Lee’s neck injury right around the time we need to trade him is about as Knicksy as it gets, huh? Who would have thought our 33 year old shooting guard would possibly have trouble with his health?

    19. Owen

      I am a terrible person but it gives me a horrible sense of satisfaction to watch Melo submarine the Rockets.

      I don’t even know who James Ennis is but at least he had a +13 in his column.

      Trae Young had a pretty damn impressive game, even against the Cavs. Might make some of us look like Doncic loving idiots, will be interesting…

    20. Frank O.

      Hezonja is playing himself to the back of the bench.
      I like this team. I know there are shortcomings. I know they are young.
      But they play hard and they are learning. We have young guys who are going to be good NBA players.
      And I like the coach a lot.

      Having said that, Kyrie to me felt like he took most of the game off v. the Knicks and when the game was on the line down the stretch, he played hard.
      It will take some times, but most of our wins are going to come after about 30 games have gone by.

    21. mase

      19

      I feel the same way about the rockets and rooting against melo.
      It should the other way around because I like dantoni, Clint, harden, paul… but I root against the rockets and melo.

      Melo put us through hell, I’m glad he’s someone else’s problem. Most likely he will be gone by all star break.

    22. Brian Cronin

      Gee, who would have thought replacing Ariza’s and Mbah Moute’s minutes with Carmelo Anthony, James Ennis III and Gerald Green would have resulted in Houston’s defense going to shit?

      Their new owner suuuuuucks.

    23. Bruno Almeida

      The Clippers might be one of my favorite underrated teams to watch this year. There’s Boban, there’s healthy Gallo who’s been playing super well and it warms my bitter heart, SGA is looking pretty nice and the roster is very deep and well balanced. Not having a superstar will probably mean a 10th seed in the west, but they’re so fun to watch.

    24. Ben R

      I am right there with the Doncic love and didn’t like the trade for the Hawks but I am also very high on Young. You could make an argument that what he did in the NCAA was just as historical and impressive as what Doncic did in Europe.

    25. Frank

      Nice to see Trae Young go off a bit, although I think it’s pretty clear now that Lebron wasn’t the only issue with the Cavs’ defense, currently ranked 29th.

      I’m not 100% sure that Timmy won’t have a breakout year. Understanding that the off-season videos thing is marketing as much as it is anything else, he really looks like he works on his game and his body. He’s in great shape, looks more sudden with his movement than ever, and his release is clearly quicker than it was when he was a rookie. Defensively I think he’s putting in effort even if the results haven’t been particularly great.

      Lance + Lee would be great pickups for OKC. Pat Pat is a shell of himself after the injuries, and the aforementioned Terrence Ferguson is not ready to play on a team that wants to be in the western conference playoffs. It’s just hard to make any kind of a trade for both. One could imagine Lee for Abrines + Patterson which would cut our 2019 cap by ~7MM, but OKC is already hurting for depth – another 2-for-1 trade might not really work for them.

    26. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      I don’t have a problem with Hardaway’s results so far. He’s been fine. I have a problem with his decision making. He’s still taking too many terrible shots. He also makes the occasional boneheaded pass or attempt to do too much that leads to an unnecessary TO. I don’t think he’s going to keep getting the results he’s gotten so far. I could easily see him improving his 3p% close to 40%, but not taking some of the shots he’s taking.

    27. Brian Cronin

      I am right there with the Doncic love and didn’t like the trade for the Hawks but I am also very high on Young. You could make an argument that what he did in the NCAA was just as historical and impressive as what Doncic did in Europe.

      I like Young a lot, as well, but if you can get Doncic, you just get Doncic.

    28. alsep73

      Trae Young had a pretty damn impressive game, even against the Cavs. Might make some of us look like Doncic loving idiots, will be interesting…

      The thing is, you can defend the Hawks’ decision to a degree. They believe there’s not that huge a gap between Young and Doncic, and they get another first round pick, that will probably be in the lottery, next year. I’d have taken the sure thing, but nobody knows anything in this process, and they get two shots at a good player, or possibly end up with two good players if everything goes right.

    29. DRed

      I think Houston will be fine with some tinkering, but they aren’t going to the finals if they’re giving real minutes to MCW and Melo.

    30. Owen

      Committing to full bore open court offense isn’t hurting Timmy,e who seems to really excel in that phase. When was the last time you saw a Knicks team run the fast break like this? I honestly can’t remember outside of small stretches of Linsanity. He’s off to a scorching start, all credit to him, but I am pretty sure at the end of day he will be what we thought he was.

    31. Frank

      I don’t have a problem with Hardaway’s results so far. He’s been fine. I have a problem with his decision making. He’s still taking too many terrible shots. He also makes the occasional boneheaded pass or attempt to do too much that leads to an unnecessary TO. I don’t think he’s going to keep getting the results he’s gotten so far. I could easily see him improving his 3p% close to 40%, but not taking some of the shots he’s taking.

      I mentioned this comparison the other day (have been so busy I haven’t been able to get through all the threads), but I really think Timmy and Derozan have similar games. Their age-25 seasons are scarily similar – and it was really at age 26-27 that Derozan took it to the next level (TS 51-52 –> TS 55 range and also turning into a 20+ AST% guy).

    32. djphan

      timmy has made some microscopic improvements to his game every year…. i used to hate him but he’s genuinely worked very hard on his game with actual tangible improvements…

      if his 3p shooting and ftr are for real then he’s a legit player in this league….

    33. djphan

      derozan and hardaway are pretty different… derozan always had some semblance of ball handling ability… hardaway was always pretty poor and still has a persistently high dribble… he’s more will barton than derozan…

    34. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Houston is not as good as they were last year for several reasons, but I don’t think a collapse is imminent. They were missing Paul last night or they’d probably be 2-1. The loss to the Pelicans was ugly but those guys are playing very well.

    35. Hubert

      I’m actually on the other side of the Fizdale excuse for letting Timmy guard LeVert. I think it’s a poor thought process.

      1. It’s just as helpful to Frank’s development to have him guarding the team’s primary scorer on the final play.

      2. I hate hearing that a player’s pride was the main factor in a decision that put the team in an inferior position to win on a final possession. Pride is the reason every last second shot around here from 2011-2017 was a long contested jumper by Carmelo Anthony. I would have appreciated a “Tim is going to have to earn that role” approach a lot more.

    36. Frank O.

      Focusing so much on Hardaway feels like people are fighting the old war. He’s part of the old guard system. He is being asked to do more than he should. And as established here over and over, after about 25 or so, players are what they are.
      He’s a streaky shooter who episodically can help a team, but when he gets cold, you find other options quickly.
      But what you have overall is a young team, with some nice pieces and now we will see what comes of some of these guys.
      Trier is a very interesting player to me.
      I think their bigs are compelling.
      I think Frank is a valuable piece and is doing a lot of nice things.
      When KP returns we have a No. 1 scorer, and I believe he will become a better scorer because when guys like this hurt their legs, they continue to work on their shots. I expect him to return as a more efficient shooter.
      Otherwise, we’re all guessing with a young team: very little history to draw from, earlier enough in their careers that changes are possible. But this THard obsession is probably because he is one of the few with a history and he is of an age where change is far less likely.

    37. Max

      @36

      That explain why he isn’t shy with the ball! :-)
      Trier is a steal, he could become the 6-5 version of Lou Williams, I hope they’ll give him a full contract as soon as the 45 days expire.

    38. Hubert

      He’s off to a scorching start, all credit to him, but I am pretty sure at the end of day he will be what we thought he was.

      On an absolute basis, Tim is a lot better than his perception on this blog. Obviously we tie his production to his income and that’s what sinks him. But if you do a side-by-side of him and, say, Donovan Mitchell, he doesn’t look too bad. And Mitchell is perceived to be very good (admittedly not by everyone here).

    39. thenoblefacehumper

      Under almost any other circumstances I would like the Doncic trade for Atlanta. I loved (well hated, but you know what I mean) the Celtics moving down two spots to draft Tatum and getting a great pick in the process. Atlanta can really only lose that trade if Doncic is a truly transcendent player.

      I think Doncic will be a truly transcendent player.

      I like Young a lot too, but if he’s, say, Damian Lillard level and Doncic is a top-5 player in the NBA that’s still a huge gap that an extra lottery pick doesn’t cover.

    40. GoNyGoNyGo

      @35 – I hear you, but we know that Frank can defend. Why can’t THJr? He’s athletic enough. I’ll argue that his dad wasn’t a great defender and that while he learned offense, defense was not a priority growing up. If he is part of the future and he is our #1 player while KP is out, I sure want him knowing that defense is a major part of how he’s evaluated and that we want him to play defense. In a year where we should be competing, I would agree with you. But 2018-19 is a full-on development season. I don’t think THJr is beyond improvement.

    41. Hubert

      I hear you, but we know that Frank can defend.

      How many times have you seen him guard an opponent’s primary scorer on the last possession of a game? He’s probably got some things to learn, too. It’s developmental for everyone.

    42. thenoblefacehumper

      Yeah that explanation was face saving garbage. As a general rule, develop your 20 year olds before your 26 year olds.

    43. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      But if you do a side-by-side of him and, say, Donovan Mitchell, he doesn’t look too bad. And Mitchell is perceived to be very good (admittedly not by everyone here).

      If you do a side-by-side, you also see that Donovan Mitchell turned 22 a month ago and led a Conference Semifinals team in minutes during the playoffs last year as a rookie and also makes ~$4M AAV until the summer of 2021.

    44. Hubert

      I think I was pretty clear that I was only speaking about his absolute production, not his production v his salary or the likelihood he might ever improve.

      On an absolute basis, Tim is a lot better than his perception on this blog. Obviously we tie his production to his income and that’s what sinks him. But if you do a side-by-side of him and, say, Donovan Mitchell, he doesn’t look too bad.

      TS%, eFG%, points per FGA, Ast, Reb, Steals, Turnovers… Timmy’s production is comparable to a season many people thought was excellent. Yet we often speak of him here like he’s garbage.

    45. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      Oh, now we’re going to second guess the Doncic/Young deal because of an excellent game against a dreadful team? The future first is a big deal, but Doncic was the goddamn Euroleague MVP as a teenager. Euroleague! This isn’t the Turkish League or the CBA or the NBDL or wherever Lamar Ball took his lesser kids in a failed attempt to hide them from being exposed as frauds. It’s Euroleague, the 2nd-best basketball league in the world. Doncic was the MVP. As a teenager. In Euroleague. And he was the MVP. As a teenager.

    46. Max

      As a european that watch a lot of Euroleague I’m all in on Doncic,
      yesterday was the first time that I watched Young and came away with a positive feeling,
      but one game versus a lousy team obviously doesn’t mean that ATL won (or tied) the deal, maybe only that the Hawks at least could have a very good player.
      I’d like to see what Doncic will be with after a full summer of NBA fitness training (this summer they let him rest a lot).
      BTW For me the real loser in the Doncic trade is Sacramento :-)

    47. JK47

      The Clippers might be one of my favorite underrated teams to watch this year. There’s Boban, there’s healthy Gallo who’s been playing super well and it warms my bitter heart, SGA is looking pretty nice and the roster is very deep and well balanced.

      Yeah the Clippers are a sneaky good team. Versatile guard rotation with Beverly, SGA, Lou Williams and Avery Bradley, two solid wings in Tobias Harris and Gallinari, plus of course Boban and 90’s-style power forward Montrezl Harrell. They could use another big, but I think they have a good shot at making the playoffs.

    48. Owen

      Yeah, I just like to keep track of the predictions I am brave enough to make. Definitely all-in on Doncic. It’s an interesting storyline this year.

    49. 2FOR18, understands math

      Watching Trae (my crush), Foxx and, to a lesser extent, SGA, is so demoralizing. The first 2 because we were just a couple of worthless losses away from getting one of them, and the 3rd because we passed on him because of a great workout by a guy who, by every measure, was the lesser player in college.

      I just read through the last thread and the only thing that bothered me is the collectivizing of whitey, with the theme being whitey just doesn’t get it/can’t understand/has it easy.
      As a mixed race mutt and libertarian, I come from a place where I’m not on any team, so I’ve never been singled out because of my race or other “box”, so I come from a kind of unique place.
      Anecdote: Growing up in East New York, I witnessed black kids bullying white kids. And I’m not talking micro-aggressions. I’m talking about beat downs, muggings, sexual assaults, stabbings. I was pretty much left alone because I have that ambiguous ethnic look and they took me for Hispanic. Halfway through high school, I moved to Staten Island, right in the middle of guido culture. There I witnessed the guidos doing the same thing to the non-guidos, mostly other white rocker/new wave/goth types. Again, I was left alone, as they thought I was a dark skinned Italian.
      Collectivizing based on race is dumb regardless of the race.

    50. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @51

      I don’t think anyone’s advocating for making assumptions about other individuals based on their race, rather, I think people are trying to make a point that white people don’t necessarily face the same set of challenges that POC do on an aggregate basis. Coming from a working class white family in a Long Island town with a large Dominican, Puerto Rican, and El Salvadoran population, we faced a lot of the same problems as those populations did–drugs, crime, constant, financial stress, abusive households, etc.–because we were poor, just like they were. But the consequences of poverty were unevenly distributed despite us facing the same kind of problems.

      My father, who was and is a manual laborer, was involved in petty crime and got numerous DUIs, things that in conjunction surely would’ve gotten a black or brown man put into jail, and we had access to credit in ways that my Latinx friends never did, because we were white and the banks were covertly redlining. That easy credit allowed my parents to approximate, for a few years, a middle class lifestyle for their four kids, despite their not having the money to do so, which allowed us to move to a better school district and gave us the ability to afford books, sports, etc., which helped all of us get into college (we’re first-gen).

      This ended because my parents are very irresponsible with money and because of the financial crisis, but these opportunities were only afforded to us because we were white. When people say that whites have it easy, they’re not saying that all whites have it easy–I was on public assistance my whole childhood, my father mostly absent, my mother was abusive, hardly easy–they’re just saying that whites, in aggregate, have it easier compared to POC. And they do–even poor whites–because whites get a pass for things that would land POC in jail while also accruing unfair advantages like easier credit etc. that make it easier to lift themselves out of poverty.

    51. Bruno Almeida

      I liked Trae Young at the draft, I always felt he had very good skills and could develop into something great, it’s just that Doncic was such a safe pick in the sense that the track record is absolutely unmatched and he checked pretty much every mark except “is he an elite athlete”, in the sense that he’s still early in his physical development.

      I like what Atlanta did in a vacuum, as generally the 3rd pick is probably less valuable than the 5th plus a future first for a total rebuilding team, but the argument is mostly based on the idea that Doncic shouldn’t even have been available at the 3rd anyway, as he was a first overall type prospect that got passed on twice, by Sacramento in an inexcusable manner.

    52. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Yeah, in a vacuum ATL made a good trade, they just picked the wrong draft class to do it in, since Doncic is a can’t miss, once-a-decade kind of prospect.

      Clippers look fun as hell to watch, as do the Nuggs. Does anyone know how M Rob’s ankle is doing?

    53. alsep73

      Not sure about the ankle, but one of the beat writers said that in the 8-odd minutes Kanter and Robinson were on the floor together, Knicks were +6. Absurdly small sample size, but I assumed they’d be in big trouble, thanks both to spacing and Robinson’s poor fundamentals. Maybe Fiz should try it some more to see if that was a fluke?

    54. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Marvin Bagley was an excellent prospect, though. It’s not like they passed on Doncic for Anthony Bennett. On top of being an elite athlete, he led the ACC in points, rebounds, and field goal percentage as an 18 year old. Gun to my head I take Doncic over Bagley, but I’m not gonna slam Sacramento for taking Bagley. I thought the draft was going to fall Ayton, Bagley, Young, Doncic, and it would have fallen that way if ATL didn’t trade down because the owner wanted Young.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if all of the top 7 picks in this draft turn into cornerstone type players. I don’t like Knox or Sexton very much, but this past draft was as top heavy as I’ve seen.

    55. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, Knox & Robinson are going to lead us to the promised land

      Just for the record, when Italian Americans came to the US they were poor as dirt, there were no government assistance programs, if they had any learning/physical disabilities or were sick they were shipped back to Italy, they were universally disliked and called names, lived in crime riddled areas (unless gangsters protected them) and they were discriminated against for jobs and just about everything else.

      All groups struggle at first because they start at the bottom. But it was way tougher to get into the country and make it here 100 years ago than it is now. It’s a picnic now compared to when my family came and settled in Brooklyn. It took close to 50 years for some of us to break into the middle class (which would not even be middle class by today’s standards) and close to 100 years for some of us to “really make it”. Now we are called “privileged”.

      And to be clear, I’m aware blacks had it way tougher. Just don’t insult me by saying we were privileged to sleep on the floor in poverty, go hungry, do jobs no one else wanted when we could get one, and save what we could to make a better life for our kids.

    56. 2FOR18, understands math

      I agree that Sacto lost the draft. Especially since they already had Harry Giles, passing on Doncic for Bagley made no sense at all.

    57. 2FOR18, understands math

      I also hated the Sexton pick for Cleveland. He looks like a smaller version of Shump to me. I don’t see any special skills there, and he’s the same size as Trae, who is considered undersized – I was surprised to see that last night when they were next to each other.

    58. Jack Bauer

      THJR – Ole!
      Giannis is going to go off on NY.

      Too bad Knox is going to miss the upcoming games, he needs all the minutes he can get. So far Vonleh has impressed, good work on the boards, plays hard, plays under control. Another potential good find by the front office, maybe things are slowly changing for the Knicks.

    59. alsep73

      It’d be funny if the addition of Vonleh, which almost none of the beat writers or national NBA people wrote about, winds up being what a lot of people speculated about with Mario: a reclamation project who helps establish Fiz’s bonafides as a coach other guys will want to play for to fulfill their potential. His salary’s also low enough this year that it’s much easier to see a path to re-signing him if he continues to prove useful, where there’s virtually no way Mario is going to be here for longer than a season if he actually plays well over a sustained period.

    60. JK47

      Hezonja seems to have no feel for the game. He attacks the rim well for a guy his size but he’s a low-IQ player with few secondary skills as far as I can tell.

      I gotta admit I had not watched a ton of Noah Vonleh before this season, but he can do some things. He has a reputation as a guy who doesn’t play within himself and who tries to do too much, but so far he has been a great glue guy who has not made a lot of mistakes.

    61. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

      they’re just saying that whites, in aggregate, have it easier compared to POC

      Amen. Privilege is a spectrum or matrix, not binary. Life isn’t easy for any poor person, but it’s especially hard if you happen to also be, say, queer, a woman, a person of color, disabled, or a Knicks fan. And yeah, it’s 2018 and we need these conversations with the psychopath in the nation’s top office and his bootlickers in Congress helping promote his agenda while pretending to distance themselves from it. Sucks that we need to sully the purity of American sport with politics, but the exigency is there.

      We should all be grateful that even though this team is going to suck hard (and pile up the Ws in the loss column), we still get to watch the ubiquitous parade of talent each and every night in this league. Now that teams like Atlanta and Dallas have young explosive offensive talent, there really aren’t many games that are totally unwatchable.

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