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Sunday, April 23, 2017

Knicks Morning News (2017.04.17)

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks 2016-17 season wrap
    (Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:04:00 PM)

    What went wrong? Plenty.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: ‘That Got Ugly in a Hurry’: More Playoff Pain Delivered by the Spurs
    (Sunday, April 16, 2017 5:28:11 PM)

    In San Antonio’s first postseason game since Tim Duncan’s retirement, signs of continued dominance were everywhere.

  • [NYTimes] Rockets 118, Thunder 87 | Houston leads series, 1-0: Rockets Trounce the Thunder in Game 1
    (Monday, April 17, 2017 3:54:11 AM)

    James Harden had 37 points and Patrick Beverley added 21 as Houston took the first game of their first-round playoff series against Oklahoma City.

  • [NYTimes] Union Complains to N.B.A. About Phil Jackson’s Comments on Carmelo Anthony
    (Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:11:35 PM)

    The union called the Knicks president’s comments on Anthony’s future “inappropriate.” A player could be disciplined for similar statements, the union said.

  • [NYTimes] A Court Used for Playing Hoops Since 1893. Where? Paris.
    (Monday, April 17, 2017 4:30:28 AM)

    A Y.M.C.A. in France claims the oldest basketball court in the world. But it is in no shape for regular basketball games.

  • [NYPost] Knicks could be perfect place for Holiday family reunion
    (Sunday, April 16, 2017 5:45:41 PM)

    Knicks shooting guard Justin Holiday was in New Orleans this weekend for the wedding of his sister-in-law. Joining him as a wedding guest was his brother, Jrue Holiday of the Pelicans. The Big Easy weekend — with both brothers out of the playoffs — was for drinking and dancing. Soon, they will talk about their…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis: Here’s what I’m doing instead of meeting Phil
    (Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:14:15 AM)

    And on Easter, Kristaps Porzingis smiled. Two days after blowing off his exit interview with Knicks president Phil Jackson without notification, Porzingis posed in a series of happy photos Sunday, bicycling in the sunshine. One shot was of Porzingis, out from his Midtown apartment, looking giddy while rolling along the West Side Highway bike path….

  • 90 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.17)

    1. Frank

      @stratomatic from the last thread —

      Phil basically told the truth about Melo in his press conference, or at least some version of the truth. But like many have written, it’s really dickish to “hold your stars accountable” when Phil absolves himself of any responsibility. Triangle sucks? The coaches aren’t coaching it right or with enough belief, and there is rebellion within the players. Players he acquired stink? They are playing the Triangle hard enough. Team culture is rotten? It’s Melo’s fault. Worst 3 year stretch in franchise history, all under his watch? I’m building (and rebuilding and rebuilding) a foundation for the future, and of course I didn’t mean that we’d make the playoffs every year, and by the way, it’s Melo’s fault.

      Seriously, what kind of leader of your basketball operations does stuff like this? Even if what he says is mostly true about Melo, Phil still bears at least 50% responsibility for this dumpster fire, and yet he accepts none of it.

      So while he told the truth about Melo, I absolutely agree with what seems like most of the players that the whole thing is BS.

      btw, I truly hope Adam Silver is taking this whole situation very seriously. It is far worse now with the Knicks than it was even at the end of the Isiah era, where David Stern basically forced Donnie Walsh on the franchise. Between the Oakley situation, open mutiny including one of the young stars of the league (KP) and one of the most marketable stars of this generation (Melo), and Phil openly driving one of the flagship franchises into a ditch, there seems to be ample opportunity for some adults to step in and somehow make this right.

    2. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      You guys can complain about everything but this team is getting better now thar Phil will actually have draft choices to use. It’s nearly impossible to improve without them. Oh, and please no more Melo. Let’s turn the page any way we can.

    3. Bo Nateman

      Jackson’s narcissism, awful human management skills and lack of media savvy is horrific and only serves to exacerbate his poor performance as the president of the team. His process of managing the Melo situation is much like Trump’s with North Korea in that both show a lack of understanding of the relative power positions of the other party involved as well as an understanding of the thinking of the other party. While you can’t question the liberty of Jackson to hold Melo accountable, you have to question the timing and public nature of it. While it is no secret that Jackson wants to unload Melo, bashing him serves no purpose towards making that happen. As for Silver intervention, one would hope that happens. Perhaps a public clamor for it might push Silver towards this.
      ( As much as my mind tells me that better to be a lottery than an 7th or 8th seed, it sucks watching the intensity of the playoffs and never being a part of it)

    4. Z-man

      I wonder whether an extreme bias towards scoring guards in Harden-Russ-Curry mode is going to cause bigs to be undervalued in this draft. The first big on the board right now is Markkanen, and he’s only there due to his 3-pt shooting. There’s also some good looking defensive wings that are not being talked about. Is it possible that the value in this draft is in the 10-20 range?

    5. Z-man

      Just to clarify, I’m not saying that the 1-10 players are anything like Harden, Russ or Curry, only that the league is valuing smalls over bigs and 3-pt shooting over defense and post play in part due to them.

    6. djphan

      there aren’t that many good bigs in the draft.. there’s zach and maybe john collins and that’s about it… everyone else i don’t think is going to be any more than a backup…. as good a year for bigs 2015 was.. it’s as bad this year with them…

      anunoby seems like good value in the 10-20 range but i think that’s it… maybe bacon and kennard but they seem like standard 1st rd’ers… this is the draft where you really want to be in the top 6-8…

    7. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Bacon doesn’t look good.

      Collins, Collins, and Patton are all top 10 prospects in my eyes, with Zach Collins being top 5. He’s currently projected 11 on DX and is a great value pick. If we didn’t already have Willy/KP I’d seriously think about picking him if Fox were off the board.

      Also Thornwell has been getting a lot of love from statistical draft models and should probably be a first rounder. I don’t think he’ll get drafted in the first but it should happen. We need to get him.

    8. Z-man

      It really sucks that Jackson has turned out to be such a dud as a team president. As someone who goes back to the last championship teams, and who always regretted that the Knicks didn’t lock him in when he was with the Albany Patroons, I am really bummed that he has been so much worse than I had hoped.

      There are some glimmers of hope, though. I’m not gonna make too much out of KP’s insolence. Bottom line is that he’s locked in for the next 3 years. We have Willy on a cap-friendly deal for the next 3 years. We have a top draft pick coming our way, hopefully we won’t blow this opportunity. Kuz is not all that bad. Holiday may re-sign on a mid-level deal. Baker might be back. O’Quinn may go for $ instead of staying close to home, but at least we have him at a discount for one more year.

      If we dump Melo and get any kind of an asset for him w/o tying up cap space in a bum, that helps too. Although if we re-sign Rose, that good work will be for naught. Please don’t re-sign him, I’d rather watch a D-leaguer that hustles on D than his one-trick pony ass getting torched every night.

      Then we only have the Noah’s rotting whale carcass of a contract to rue over. Lee and Thomas are no bargains but not impediments to success either. There is a glimmer of hope that the situation improves going forward. Just not as quickly or effectively as any of us would have hoped.

    9. Accidentank 2017

      The bigs in this draft aren’t very good, and the one guy who was any good (Harry Giles) was slated to be the #1 pick before his knee issues limited his ability to play at Duke. Next year there are two bigs projected in the top 5 in Mohamed Bamba and DeAndre Ayton. I don’t think anybody is undervaluing bigs. In fact, Zach Collins was a reserve big man and he’s being seen as a top 10 pick. Size still matters in the league and teams still understand the importance of good post players. This just so happened to be an elite guard class where all of Fultz, Ball, Smith Jr, Ntilikina, Monk, and Fox are high upside players with good-elite size and athleticism for the position.

    10. Philmelo

      btw, I truly hope Adam Silver is taking this whole situation very seriously. It is far worse now with the Knicks than it was even at the end of the Isiah era, where David Stern basically forced Donnie Walsh on the franchise. Between the Oakley situation, open mutiny including one of the young stars of the league (KP) and one of the most marketable stars of this generation (Melo), and Phil openly driving one of the flagship franchises into a ditch, there seems to be ample opportunity for some adults to step in and somehow make this right.

      As bad it seems right now, nothing Phil will ever do will probably match the Anucha Brown Sanders fiasco. That was a harassment case charged with major racial/gender problems that brought a level of organizational embarrassment to the NBA not seen until the Donald Sterling fiasco. You had our team president/coach fondling one of his subordinates, that very same man making problematic sexual/racial statements about how whites and blacks should treat women in a deposition, a front office functioning as a fraternity would with our star player admitting to sexing an intern during work hours, etc.

    11. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Who I would draft with our 3 picks

      #6. Fox
      #45. Sindarius Thornwell (#48 by DX but I suspect he’ll climb closer to draft day)
      #58. Aleksandr Vezenkov, Kennedy Meeks, or Frank Mason (#58, unranked, and #60, respectively. Meeks is probably the best though, despite the logjam it’d create among bigs.)

      If Thornwell went earlier in the second I would trade up with our two seconds.

      I’d be very Happy with Fox + Thornwell as our backcourt of the future (unless we got Doncic next year!)

    12. 2FOR18

      Don’t forget about the truck parties. As bad as this is now, it doesn’t compare to the mess at the end of the Isaiah regime, both in terms of assets and humiliation.

    13. Accidentank 2017

      John Collins is the shortest 6’10” I’ve ever seen. I wouldn’t be surprised if he comes in around 6’8″ at the draft combine. He’s a good player, though. Justin Patton is a poor rebounder for a center although he’s a damn efficient scorer.

      Zach Collins appears to be legit though he fouls like it’s going out of style and he was a reserve. I’d take Zach Collins in the top 5 despite the red flags.

    14. Z-man

      How about Melo to the Blazers for Turner, filler and one of their 2 #1 picks? All kidding aside, Jowles, you have to hate that Turner contract. Would 2 years of Melo be that bad?

    15. Accidentank 2017

      Man if only the Browne-Sanders incident happened in the last 3-4 years. We’d have a new ownership group by now. Looking back on what happened, the NBA really let Dolan off the hook.

    16. Philmelo

      John Collins is the shortest 6’10” I’ve ever seen. I wouldn’t be surprised if he comes in around 6’8? at the draft combine.

      After watching Draymond beast I am convinced 6’8 and the new 6’10.

    17. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Would 2 years of Melo be that bad?

      Haha, you know the answer to that question. I wouldn’t give a vet’s minimum to Carmelo Anthony.

      And re: Westbrook’s MVP line last night: it’s a regular season award, so I wouldn’t penalize him for being swept by the Rockets while averaging 16 turnovers per game, but that kind of line happened a lot during the regular season. He’s one of the best players in the league and I won’t be mad if he gets the award, but he has major flaws in his game. Half-court shooting and ball possession are two of them.

    18. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      @20

      That would be amazing for us but the thing is that Riley isn’t an idiot and knows that Melo is washed.

      Basically our only outs that I see are from idiot GMs so really only the Clippers and Lakers with a minute chance of Cleveland if Lebron gets the jitters.

      I guess Dallas is a small possibility too if you could convince Melo.

    19. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Silky, yes the Lakers are a possibility now when considering options for Melo because Magic Johnson has expressed great admiration for Melo recently and they might want a “star” to go with their very young team. I’d take their late first for him and call it a day.

    20. Z-man

      @22 agreed, but you are also getting some value for Bosh, and cap flexibility in year 3. Maybe we throw in Pick#44?

    21. Z-man

      I don’t think anything works with the Clips unless we either take on horrible contracts in return or get a 3rd team involved.

      How about the Bulls? Maybe if they go to game 7 vs. the Celts, Wade recruits him. We take back Rondo and #14.

      Or maybe If Riley goes for that Melo deal, Wade opts out and takes less money to finish up his career back in Miami.

    22. djphan

      i still think the most plausible destination for melo where we get something in return is washington… they probably overrate him just enough to include value back which probably means two future firsts…

      we will probably need to take back mahinmi and morris so we def need a third team to take on morris if we do that but the structure for a deal is there if melo wants to go there…

    23. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Would you have given more than the vet’s minimum for Turner?

      He’s a waste of a roster slot. Career .490 TS%? If you aren’t above .550 TS% as a scoring wing (exception made for low-usage SG with elite on-ball defense), you aren’t worth the money, especially if you’re a guy who’s been in the league since 2010. We know he is a bad player. Why not take an undrafted 4-year college player at a fraction of the price and try to hit a home run?

      It’s the Seth Curry thing all over again. The Knicks tried to “rehab” Rose and Jennings, and failed on both. We could have had Seth Curry on a team-friendly contract. Is he a great player? Nah, but he’s providing excellent value and is tied up at a bargain-basement deal through his athletic prime.

    24. Accidentank 2017

      The Miami trade makes us a lot better. We can draft Luke Kennard at #16 and replace Ron Baker with him.

    25. Accidentank 2017

      @28 that’s part of what makes the Knicks so frustrating. They show the ability to do that with the O’Quinn deal and then decide to not play him heavy minutes. Then they complete ignore Seth Curry. Real annoying shit there.

    26. Z-man

      @28 Agreed on all counts. Here’s where we disagree (I think, unless you are just being contrarian.) I think Melo for Turner makes sense for Portland. With their monster ball-dominant guard combo, he’d be playing mostly off the ball where his flaws are diminished somewhat. He’d probably give them 2 years at least league-average production for an overpay of about $12 million per year, which is better than the 3 years of replacement level production they will get out of Turner for an overpay of $16 million per year. In an even swap, there is no question that this would be a heist for Portland. That’s why a mid-first round pick would be needed to make it worthwhile to eat Turner’s ghastly deal for 3 years.

      And there is an outside chance that Melo actually helps the Blazers a lot. in the next two years. Or that he opts out of either his NTC or exercises the player option in his contract. No such options for Turner.

    27. Frank

      that’s a hard no for me on taking on Evan Turner, unless it comes with at least 2 first round picks and someone like Mo Harkless. Actually maybe I would consider Turner + Harkless + 2 first round picks. Value wise that’s reasonable, although Turner’s contract goes a year longer than Melo. (Harkless’s does too but it’s more in line with his production, and he still has room to grow as a player).

      I don’t necessarily think that Portland does that (at all). And if Lala has any say in it, I don’t think she does Portland, even though it’s a pretty nice city.

    28. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      With their monster ball-dominant guard combo, he’d be playing mostly off the ball where his flaws are diminished somewhat.

      Carmelo wouldn’t be an off-ball player, just like he wasn’t a 7SoL player nor was he a Triangle player. If he were on the Spurs or Warriors, he wouldn’t be a Motion player. He’s an ISO player.

      I’m in support of no trade that results in the Knicks taking on long-term contracts without multiple first-rounders. We already have to swallow $54M of Noah’s contract. Why add to the dumpster fire?

    29. Nick C.

      What makes anyone think Lala is going to Portland, much less Melo? You might as well be suggesting trades with the Jazz. He’s not waiving his NTC for that. I know they lived in Denver, but then again they moved away.

    30. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      If you’ve never been to Portland: it’s extremely white. Like, unbelievably white. When I take a flight to NYC or Chicago, I’m like, “Whoa, I almost forgot that there are POCs in this country.” Mostly due to institutional racism (sorry Ras1980 and bobneptune, but it’s true) that prevented blacks from owning property for a very long time. Even though liberalism is pretty far left here — so much so that voters elected a communist bookshop owner to “fight” the housing crisis by pushing ridiculous rent control laws that will eventually fuck our housing supply as badly as SF/NYC’s — I’d imagine it’s still a weird place for minorities.

      tl;dr There’s no fucking way La La would want to live here. It’s basically an overgrown mall town full of white people who love REI, micro sours and single-origin espresso. It’s not going to happen.

    31. Philmelo

      Mostly due to institutional racism (sorry Ras1980 and bobneptune, but it’s true) that prevented blacks from owning property for a very long time.

      I am not a race-denier in the least bit. My own work is on race, nation and U.S. imperialism. As a man of color who existed in the academy I know how a bit about institutional racism, especially the neutral, post-racist dialogue you often hear among white liberals/academics. But I also acknowledge how the discourse of racism has been mobilized in a politically correct discourse which has become weaponized as a means stifling dialogue, which is why I don’t buy half the shit I read by hucksters like Lebron who will make a row about an old white man like Phil Jackson using the word “posse” to avoid his legitimate criticisms.

    32. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      I am not a race-denier in the least bit. My own work is on race, nation and U.S. imperialism. As a man of color who existed in the academy I know how a bit about institutional racism, especially the neutral, post-racist dialogue you often hear among white liberals/academics. But I also acknowledge how the discourse of racism has been mobilized in a politically correct discourse which has become weaponized as a means stifling dialogue, which is why I don’t buy half the shit I read by hucksters like Lebron who will make a row about an old white man like Phil Jackson using the word “posse” to avoid his legitimate criticisms.

      Wait, which one are you?

    33. SJK

      I could see wanting Jrue if we can’t get one of the true primary facilitators in this draft, ie fultz, ball, or fox, if only because I’m starting to get genuinely worried about Kristaps. If we end up with another year of ball dominant PG play, his development could be in serious trouble.

    34. Z-man

      But would LaLa and his kids have to move at this point? As an NBA player, he’s on the road half the time anyway. But I think he sez no more Bc he doesn’t think they are close enough to real contention.

    35. yellowboy90

      If the Raptors are bounced in the first get ready for a 3-team trade with Tor, LAC, and NY

      NY – Derozen, Carroll

      TOR- Crawford, NY 2018 1st, and Clippers future 1st

      LAC- Melo, Lee, Powell

      Phil will likely bring in a player to carry the load for KP.

    36. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      “I want all three holidays on this team next year.
      Jrue for 4/$22m per sounds about right.”

      But isn’t Frank Jrue-like?
      Is the 3rd Holiday any good? I don’t see him in any of the draft lists.

    37. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Actually can you imagine Jrue and Frank as our starting backcourt next season? That’s a lot of length!

    38. Hugo Busto

      The draft falls off a cliff after like pick 12.

      I’m also assuming the Zach Collins goes in the top 12

    39. SJK

      If we draft Frank, I’m still in favor of adding another PG in free agency because of my aforementioned concern about getting KP someone who will facilitate for him. Frank is the youngest player in the draft, I believe, and would probably benefit from not being thrown right into the fire.

    40. Name is Bron - James Bron

      OPTIMISTS…..Separation = Melo more likely to consider more trade destinations.

      PESSIMISTS….Separation = Wife told Melo it’s NYC or Divorce.

    41. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I hate to cheer on the dissolving of a marriage on the rocks, but the Melo-Lala split is probably great news from a basketball perspective.

      Even if it only opens up Miami and Dallas or something our chance of leveraging Melo into real assets skyrockets from that alone

    42. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I’m now guessing that Melo would expand his list of acceptable teams to include, Miami, Chicago, Boston, Cleveland, San Antonio, and possibly Dallas. The Texas teams would give him a huge pay raise just on the taxes he would save.

    43. d-mar

      So if Boston gets the #1 pick, do you trade Zinger for Fultz and filler? I say yes, and I think Ainge would too.

      Boston gets a 7’3″ rim protector and another scoring threat.

      NY gets the transcendent PG they’ve been looking for for decades.

      I love KP, and the idea of him wearing Celtic green is nauseating, but I’d still do it.

    44. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Single Melo in Miami… make it happen, cap’n.

    45. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      We could do Bosh + Miami’s first for Melo straight up on draft night to get around the Stepien rule.

      I think that’s a move Riley would actually consider if he’s interested in competing rather than doing a rebuild the proper way. That’s essentially Melo for a #14 pick, which is reasonable if you’re most NBA GMs (i.e. If you’re dumb) He’d hang up the phone at the mention of Winslow, however.

    46. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      “The Lakers have always had a super star…that is what we are going to try and bring in here.” – Magic Johnson on 570 LA Radio

    47. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      If we trade with the Lakers it’d have to involve Deng’s contract which I would grudgingly take on if it meant we got their #28 pick. But it’s a tough sell because the contract will take 3 more years to get off the books. That’s a long time.

    48. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I think best case scenario is Deng + Nick Young + the #28 for Melo.

      That’s mediocre but any asset is an asset imo especially since Melo is now actively helping the team self destruct.

    49. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I remember Magic raving about Melo as being a superstar just before he got the Laker’s job so maybe we can get a good deal from him.

    50. Hugo Busto

      Hell no, Deng’s contract is pathetic. 3 more years @ 18 mil per.

      you want him and JOAKIM on the roster together? lmao

      the 28th pick isnt that valuable at all.

      the lakers would be jumping and fist pumping with joy at that trade

    51. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      So if there were no other option you’d prefer Melo to stay on the Knicks and continue to poison the locker room and young ones?

      Obviously phil is ultimately to blame but since he ain’t going Melo needs to go, and stat

      Incidentally this also helps the tank and I think it makes sense to scrape the bottom of the barrel for at least one more year

    52. Zanzibar

      Keep in mind GM Magic Johnson = Coach Magic Johnson (not Player Magic Johnson) so anything is possible unless Phil told Jeanie at the last Thanksgiving dinner that Melo’s done, stick a fork in him. But, if not, Magic would do this THIS TRADE.

    53. Hugo Busto

      I honestly don’t know what the optimal play is, it really is a shitty situation. I did like your Miami idea

      I think if that is the best offer we can get then we need to just axe Rambis/PHIL and let Melo play out his contract and maybe reevaluate another trade at the deadline. I mean Melo might opt out after next season anyway, right?

      But as you said PHIL ain’t going anywhere so…

      We would be paying Deng/Noah a combined 37~ for the next 3 years. PUKEEEEEEE

    54. Hugo Busto

      It will also depend what happens with the Lakers pick this year. If they fall out of the top 3 they will end up losing their first rounder this year and in 2019.

    55. MSA

      Lakers have some truly awful contracts to dump.

      Maybe we should go full Hinkie on them getting Deng and Mozgov for Melo and Noah. They will have to send us every pick until 2056 to make it worth.

    56. MSA

      They are in a difficult situation.

      They will lose their 2018 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 to the Magic. So this was their last year tanking.

      If they don’t put a competitive team next season, it’s gonna be a long ride until they can be relevant again.

      I can see Magic feeling the pressure to do something stupid this summer. Come on Phil! Make it happen!

    57. 2FOR18

      I think Blake’s gone in a sign and trade to Boston, with melo, lee and koq going to the clips and the knicks ending up with smart, brice and next year’s nets #1. That’s as good as we can hope for anyway

    58. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      I mean, that would be downright amazing for us so if that’s the best we can do sign me up.

    59. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Again, why do we have to equalize the salaries if the Lakers have 16 or 19 million dollars in cap space?

    60. d-mar

      I think Blake’s gone in a sign and trade to Boston, with melo, lee and koq going to the clips and the knicks ending up with smart, brice and next year’s nets #1. That’s as good as we can hope for anyway

      As good as we can hope for? I think we’d all do cartwheels down 7th Ave. if that deal went down.

      But it ain’t gonna happen, why would LA basically trade Griffin for Melo? That doesn’t make them any better, probably makes them worse.

    61. 2FOR18

      Just saying if Blake wants to leave then they’d have to do a sign and trade to get anything. Hey I n5ow Im dreaming

    62. Hugo Busto

      I think Dallas could be a option?

      I bet Colangelo on the Sixers would be willing to trade for him. Melo should be cool with Philly right? its close to NYC and they could actually be competitive next year

    63. Z-man

      In general, I don’t trade Melo unless its a good deal for us. Let’s not forget that even if you buy into the anti-Melo hype, Melo is still a league-average player, give or take. I would play hardball with him. The Knicks have all the leverage right now, being that he has (in Melo’s mind, many here believe he’s already done) two years left of being an impact player on a contending team. My presentation to Melo would be exactly what Phil has stated (even though he should have said it privately): telling him that the team is transitioning to a youth-based model and that his role will be diminished, and that the team will not contend during Melo’s (or Phil’s) contract, and leaving it up to Melo to either stay around for the ride under those conditions or to find a deal that benefits the team. I’m not worried about his influence in the locker room. If he becomes a problem, “Stephon Marbury” him: tell him to stay away from the team and make it clear that you won’t release him until after he is not playoff eligible in 2019. Then leave it up to him to decide whether he opts out of the last year of his contract.

      I wouldn’t take on Bosh’s contract or Deng’s contract unless there is at least 2 assets coming back, and I mean assets; not a young scrub. I’d do the deal with Miami if both Winslow and their #16 pick is involved, but nothing less. With the Lakers, I want Tarik Black and their #28 pick (at least Deng might still be able to play.)

    64. Hugo Busto

      Bosh and the 16 pick is way better than deng and the 28th pick.
      Who cares about Tarik black?

      Also Bosh could have his contract voided if a 3rd party doctor agrees his condition is career ending.

      Winslow+ Miami pick is a slam dunk
      But there is no way they are including Winslow.

      I think Miami makes a ton of sense

    65. Z-man

      Yeah, I agree, Black is not really much of an asset. And they aren’t gonna give up Russell (although they should) or Randle or Ingram. And Melo ain’t winning there either.

    66. JK47

      Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. You guys think Phil Jackson is going to make a trade with Pat Riley, and that Pat Riley is somehow NOT going to take Phil Jackson to the cleaners.

      Okay then.

    67. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Jesus fucking Christ Kawhi scored 39 points on 14 shots, 9 makes. No 3s made

    68. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Kawhi: 37 points for a .827 TS%.

      Love: 27 points for a (what the fuck) 1.099 TS%

    69. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

      Holy shit I missed that LMAO there’s absolutely 0 defense being played in that Pacers-Cavs series

    70. Cock Jowles, The Nostradumbass Who Still Beat Your Weak Preseason Picks

      Love only took 7 FGA, though, so he obviously wasn’t making much of an impact on the game. Show me a 10-35 playoffs shooting performance and I’ll show you a player creating gravity and making defenses hustle.

    71. Z-man

      Right, it’s amazing how Love can be the first scoring option on his team who demands double teams and can still score that efficiently! Imagine what he could do if he wasn’t playing with 4 scrubs on the court with him all the time!

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