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Knicks Morning News (2017.02.25)

  • [NYPost] Porzingis has lamest excuse ever for weird late-night tweet
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 5:36:27 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis shed his walking boot for slippers Friday at practice. He won’t be playing against the 76ers on Saturday night, missing his ninth game of the season because of his newly sprained right ankle. Porzingis also won’t be explaining the odd diagram he posted on Twitter late Thursday night, depicting a straight path with…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose cracking jokes as Knicks ship sinks
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 11:52:52 AM)

    Derrick Rose definitely is not going to Minnesota, but he may be headed to Chicago. One day after being spared at the trade deadline, the eccentric Rose raised eyebrows when he curiously made two references he was headed back to Chicago, possibly for another family matter. The Knicks said he was joking because he had…

  • [NYPost] Isiah Thomas vs. Phil Jackson: Breaking down Knicks’ failed presidencies
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 9:48:10 AM)

    Botched coaching moves, ill-fitting trades, odd draft picks — Isiah Thomas and Phil Jackson have plenty in common. As another trade deadline passes — this one quietly for Jackson and the Knicks — we break down the moves, most of which backfired, by the two executives. Coaching moves Phil Jackson Just over a month into the job,…

  • [SNY Knicks] GEICO SportsNite: Knicks move on after trade deadline
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 11:22:52 PM)

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis does not have ligament damage in ankle
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 2:15:00 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis does not have ligament damage in his right ankle, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

  • [SNY Knicks] Hernangomez continuing to cement spot in lineup
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 2:00:17 PM)

    Willy Hernangomez, who has been starting at center for the Knicks with Joakim Noah out, had another good game during Thursday night’s loss to the Cavaliers.

  • [SNY Knicks] Melo struggled during loss to Cavaliers
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 11:40:42 AM)

    Knicks F Carmelo Anthony struggled during Thursday night’s 119-104 loss to the Cavaliers.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony, Rose remain with Knicks as deadline passes
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 9:30:16 AM)

    Carmelo Anthony and Derrick Rose were both in the middle of trade rumors nearing the trade deadline, but both remained with New York as the deadline passed.

  • [NYTimes] Kristaps Porzingis Says He Has No Ligament Damage in Injured Ankle
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 2:13:50 AM)

    Porzingis sustained the injury during a loss to the Cavaliers on Thursday, and he is likely to miss the Knicks’ game on Saturday. After that, his return is unclear.

  • [NYTimes] Status Quo for Knicks: Anthony and Rose Remain, and Losing Goes On
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 3:33:54 PM)

    The N.B.A. trading deadline passed with neither player being dealt, and their futures are unclear. The Knicks fell, 119-104 at Cleveland.

  • [ESPN] Bulls’ Morrow: Won’t don Rose’s ex-No. 1 again
    (Saturday, February 25, 2017 12:44:04 AM)

    Bulls’ Morrow: Won’t don Rose’s ex-No. 1 again

  • [ESPN] Porzingis likely out Sat.; no ligament damage
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 4:42:04 PM)

    Porzingis likely out Sat.; no ligament damage

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose full of jokes day after Knicks fail to make deal
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 9:12:36 PM)

    One day after surviving the trade deadline, Derrick Rose entered a media scrum by declaring “Let’s do this, I gotta catch a flight.”

  • [NYDN] No ligament damage for Porzingis, but Knick to miss a few days
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 9:11:25 PM)

    Wearing socks and flip flops, but without a walking boot, Kristaps Porzingis shot free throws with Courtney Lee after practice on Friday.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis has no structural damage in ankle
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 8:38:49 PM)

    GREENBURGH, N.Y. — After a disappointing trade deadline day, Knicks fans got a little reprieve Friday afternoon. Kristaps Porzingis said doctors detected no structural damage in his sprained right ankle and added that it’s possible he will play as soon as Monday.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks: Derrick Rose only joking about going to Chicago
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 6:23:00 PM)

    Before speaking to reporters on Friday, Derrick Rose said he needed to be quick, because “I’ve got to catch a flight this afternoon.” After he was done speaking, he reiterated his plans, telling a reporter he couldn’t stop because he had to catch his plane. “Chicago,” he said, when asked where he was going.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks Insider podcast: A surprisingly quiet trade deadline
    (Friday, February 24, 2017 12:15:59 PM)

    The Knicks surprised a lot of people on Thursday afternoon by standing pat at the NBA trade deadline.

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    80 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2017.02.25)

    1. Accidentank 2017

      Toronto is definitely going to beat that Cleveland team in May. Cleveland needs to pick up Bogut and D Will because without those two, I highly doubt their ability to win a 7 game series against any of San Antonio, Toronto, and of course the Warriors. And even then, those two don’t really push the needle forward too much for Cleveland. That team really only has it’s big 3, Korver, and Tristan Thompson. That’s a lot of firepower but when you start to look at that bench and how useless it has been, LeBron, Love, and Irving are going to have to log 40+ minutes a night in the playoffs. Cleveland’s team from last year had more depth. This year they’re top heavy and they made a huge error committing so much money into Shumpert and JR. I really like Toronto’s chances at an upset.

    2. Totes McGoats

      Toronto is definitely going to beat that Cleveland team in May. Cleveland needs to pick up Bogut and D Will because without those two, I highly doubt their ability to win a 7 game series against any of San Antonio, Toronto, and of course the Warriors. And even then, those two don’t really push the needle forward too much for Cleveland. That team really only has it’s big 3, Korver, and Tristan Thompson. That’s a lot of firepower but when you start to look at that bench and how useless it has been, LeBron, Love, and Irving are going to have to log 40+ minutes a night in the playoffs. Cleveland’s team from last year had more depth. This year they’re top heavy and they made a huge error committing so much money into Shumpert and JR. I really like Toronto’s chances at an upset.

      Agreed. Toronto has a REALLY REALLY good chance of besting Cleveland in a series. They mad big changes that really doesn’t slow chemistry. Genius moves by Ujiri. I also think that GS has a problem out west in Houston. That would be a fun 7 game series, one that I think Houston has as good a chance as anybody to win.

    3. Accidentank 2017

      I think Houston’s role players get exposed and shot down in 5 games by GSW. Once they focus in and shut down James Harden it’ll be all over for the Rockets. Talent wise they are significantly worse than every contender and that’s gonna show in the playoffs. I’m taking all of Boston, LAC, Toronto, Cleveland, GSW, and San Antonio before I take the roster in Houston.

    4. Bruno Almeida

      The problem I see is that Toronto is still far too dependent on DeRozan generating offense… I think LeBron is gonna clamp down on him and force him into his tendencies of shooting way too many inefficient shots.

      basically, I never bet against LeBron and I never will… maybe against the Warriors who I’m pretty certain will beat anyone in a full series, but that’s it.

    5. Totes McGoats

      Houston will miss Brewer’s perimeter D and they need another big (I think they should go hard after Larry Sanders), but their firepower is only rivaled by the Dubs. Crazy to say it that way, right? I had to repeat it in my mind before I typed it, but those shooters/scorers in D’Antoni’s offense? People can say what they want about MDA, but he’s one of the greatest offensive minds the league has seen. He may not be a better all around coach than Kerr, but in a shootout- he gives that team more than a puncher’s chance. I’m not sure that the Dubs have enough defense to avoid a shootout with Houston. Somehow, someway, the West has got to give us that series to watch

    6. Bruno Almeida

      Houston has also really solidified their defense with Capela back and Nene in the lineup… I remember at the Pelicans game, the Rockets announcers were talking about how they’ve been a top 5 defensive team in february or something like that.

      I think they are conference finals material and will be a really tough out to anyone, including the Warriors.

    7. Bruno Almeida

      did you guys see the Phoenix – Chicago game yesterday?

      the Suns were ahead for the entire game, allowed a 12-2 run by the Bulls but still had the ball losing by two at the end… Booker missed a terrible 3pt attempt and it was over, but Wade fouled him… of course, since it’s the Suns, he made two and missed the third, and they promptly got stomped in OT.

      we complain about being Knicks fans, but the Suns are truly a god forsaken franchise.

    8. MSA

      If you gonna make a list of the most dysfunctional franchises, Knicks, Kings and Wolves must be on the top.

      The Suns however are getting close.

    9. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      If we go on a run we can make the playoffs. If we lose we get a top five pick. It’s all good.

    10. Philmelo

      Did We dodge a bullet by not getting Rubio?

      Yes we did. Though many here refuse to admit it. Tonight is critical for our tank. We need for Smello and Rose to show up in full form.

    11. NYFaithful33

      I think we did dodge a bullet by not getting Rubio if our goal is tanking. However, I think Rubio is better for chemistry and that KP can only endure so much losing before it effects his development.

      We need to at least get some hard working unselfish players on the team so we have the right culture when we bring in a new presumably top rookie

    12. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Yes let’s play Smello and Rose for 48 minutes. More if necessary. Whatever it takes.

    13. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      Rose was a winner but when I left in January you all broke him somehow and made him run away. How did you do that?

    14. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      I’m using OneHappyWifi on the beach in Aruba right now and I recommend that you try it too.

    15. stratomatic

      Rubio was 6-13 with 13 points, 5 rebounds, 14 assists vs 3 TOs, , 3 steals and his team beat Dallas. If that’s dodging a bullet, please shoot me twice in the off season when we have to find a starting PG at a similar price and will probably draft a PG that won’t be ready to start for a couple of years when Rubio’s contract would have been over anyway. Rubio is essentially above average for his position at everything other than scoring, but he’s smart enough to keep his usage tame so he doesn’t maximize the damage like Rose. I’d take him all day and every day at his price, unless the goal is to also tank next year.

    16. Accidentank 2017

      I think we can land Rubio either on draft night or in July. Anyway you put it, we need to get Rubio.

      You guys think Thibs would be opposed to taking Love back on draft night? After Cleveland gets stomped and Melo agrees to waive the NTC, I’d promptly get on the phone with Cleveland and Minnesota and send Melo one way, Love another way, and then try to grab Rubio and the Timberwolves #1 pick this year. The Wolves can’t be interested in another young player can they? Dunn, LaVine, Wiggins, Love, Towns. Boom. Go crazy, Thibs.

    17. ptmilo

      Rose was a winner but when I left in January you all broke him somehow and made him run away. How did you do that?

      reub, you of all people should know he didn’t really run away. he just hopped on the Circle Line, and ended up back where he always was. nobody knows the clarity of coming back to dry land after being out to sea for a while more than you. we didn’t break him, we just can’t leave our sensibilities 14 times a year to hop aboard the SS Phil:

      reub
      June 18, 2016 at 6:01 pm

      We would have to gain an asset to take Rose and not give one (no Rolo). If he can somehow bring us KD it would be worth it even if he’s a paperweight.

    18. Owen

      I think Rubio would have hurt the tank and obviously he wouldn’t have moved the needle that much vis a vis contention. But at least he would have passed the ball and played defense and given Porzingis a reason not to throw himself in front of a train.

      It’s hard to watch Rose and Melo out there.

    19. d-mar

      Tony Snell with a performance for the ages for the Bucks last night:

      28 minutes, 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 blocks, 0 steals. He did commit 1 foul, however, otherwise he would have had the 28 minute trillion, a rare feat indeed.

    20. kevin5318

      I think Rubio would re-energize the team and potentially lead to a win or two that would ruin our draft position. We’re only a 2 games out of the 12th pick, every loss is essential at this point.

    21. Accidentank 2017

      Okay. My official new plan for the 2017 off season:

      – Tank into a top 10 pick. Go BPA which is Isaac in pretty much every scenario.

      – Trade Melo in a 3 team deal with Minnesota and Cleveland. Get back Rubio and the 2017 Minnesota pick. Use Minnesota’s pick on Fox or Ntilikina.

      – Use our cap space in the summer on PJ Tucker and Tyreke Evans.

      – Go into 2018 with a starting 5 of Rubio, Lee, Isaac, KP, and Hernangomez. Bring the rookie PG off the bench with Evans, Tucker, and Noah.

      We’ll make the playoffs while developing 4 players and the older guys will teach the young guys how to win. KP will have to step up because Rubio, Lee, Billy, and Isaac won’t have crazy usages and everyone will pass the ball.

    22. Accidentank 2017

      Yeah Rubio would have ruined our draft position for sure. However, the thought process is what’s confusing. Is Phil trying to tank or is Phil trying to make the playoffs? There were moves to make either way. Either sell or buy. Standing pat was dumb.

    23. JK47

      Phil seems pretty disinterested and disengaged at this point. He has not made a single roster move since the start of the season other than moving guys back and forth between the D-League team and the big club. He comes out of the woodwork every now and then to throw Twitter shade at Pat Riley or make passive-aggressive comments about leopards changing spots, but other than that he’s just sitting back cashing the checks.

      It’s almost like he’s resigned himself to the fact that today’s whippersnappers are just too damn dumb and lazy to master something as awesome as the Triangle, so why even bother? I really hope he quits, but those are some pretty big paychecks. We’re probably stuck with him until 2019.

    24. mase

      I would love to trade for Rubio after the tank. He would be great to watch next season because at this point I have zero interest in watching another game.

    25. Jack Bauer

      They should have traded for Rubio. He’s an excellent passer who would have run the offense and gotten better shots for the shooters KP, Melo, and Lee. He also plays good defense and is still only 26 years old. I also think he would have embraced NY and kept KP engaged and given him some hope. ” Wait till next year” and “free up cap space to maybe land a top FA” is not a plan that they can keep selling to Porzingis indefinitely. It would have provided a good return on the initial Rose trade and turned hm into something valuable. Cap space usually turns into fools gold, and it’s harder to sign a star now due to the CBA. Just a huge missed opportunity in my opinion. Yeah they might get a good point guard in the draft, and he might turn out to be a steal, but that also may take several years. Rookies rarely come in and dominate their first year.

    26. stratomatic

      I’m all in for tanking as a strategy, but at some point you have to start accumulating long term assets at prices that make sense. We are 3 years into the Jackson rebuild. imo, all we have is 2 long term prospects (KP and WH). And I don’t use the term “prospects” loosely. Porzingis is NOT that good right now and neither is WH. All they are is young players that have shown qualities that lead us to believe they might get very good someday. They aren’t there now and there is no guarantee they will get there.

      Rubio would have been a 3rd piece & our draft pick would have been a potential 4th.

      I don’t think we are going to get Rubio for Rose at a later date. We are going to get nothing for Rose. That means even if we do get Rubio we are probably going to have to give up some other asset that could have been traded for still something else good.

      I also don’t think we are going to get a better deal in free agency than Rubio at his price for 2 years.

      So yeah, I am very grumpy. Things may not be as bad as they’ve been in the past when we were capped out with no picks, but we are 3 years into the incompetence of Jackson’s reign. I see no sign he’s going to do the right things from here and I think at this time next year we are probably going to be having the same tanking conversations we are having now. We need young assets with upside at fair prices and/or picks. Jackson is wondering around aimlessly with no real plan and seemingly no ability to value players correctly.

    27. JK47

      I mean, if they could have gotten Rubio for Rose straight up and Phil passed, that’s some serious basketball malpractice right there. Rubio may not be a long-term title contention piece, but it would have been nice to have a real PG for Porzingis to play with instead of the unrepentant head-down chucking heroballer he has been saddled with this season. Porzingis’ development is very important to the team’s future. Even if the team was to hit the jackpot and draft a star rookie PG in the draft, it still would have made sense to have Rubio as a bridge to the future.

      But we don’t really know if that trade was a possibility.

    28. Reub On Our Way To Greatness

      @25 I never said that. My account was definitely hacked.

      @21 Did you create a new word? “Creater.”

      Rose was never on the Circle Line. You made that up. Didn’t you?

      Captain Theo is very disappointed in all of you.

    29. Z-man

      I don’t think we are going to get Rubio for Rose at a later date. We are going to get nothing for Rose.

      Well, actually you are. You are getting $20 mill in cap space for the next 2 years, rather than Rubio and $6 mill per.

    30. geo

      man, was getting ready to watch fox on the kentucky/florida game…no fox today though…

      #22, stratomatic/#24, acci-tank…from ya’lls fingers to one of phil’s weed and wine fueled fugues…

    31. Z-man

      @38 I don’t know if it was, but do you really think that 24 games of Rose vs. Rubio matters for KP’s development?

      The only reason to have been excited about the trade would be thinking that Rubio was the answer to our starting PG problem for the next 2 years. It seems unlikely that Phil would re-sign Rose (although you never know) so someone other than Rose will likely be running the point next year. It could be our 1st round pick, or someone like George Hill, Patty Mills, Jeff Teague. I doubt that the Pels let Jrue Holiday go, not that I want him at anything near a max salary. But I’d be totally fine with Teague, Hill or Mills at Rubio’s salary.

      I, for one. was not that excited about Rubio going forward.

    32. Z-man

      Even if not one of those guys (or one of them for a bit more money/more years) I’d rather have options and cap space than Rubio. But again, that’s just me. I have an aversion for PGs that can’t shoot. Some here think he does well enough at other things to make up for it. I don’t, especially in today’s NBA. But I get that he’s pretty good value for a middling-to-mediocre starting PG.

    33. the don nelson era

      You’ll be paying either one of them at least 50% more. Are those players 50% better than Rubio?

    34. JK47

      Yeah, that’s the thing– Rubio for Rose would have meant we basically signed Rubio to a 2/29 deal, and it would have meant we at least got SOMETHING for Rose. Instead we get bupkis for Rose, and have successfully converted Robin Lopez’ good value contract and Jerian Grant’s rookie contract into what the Italians call “stugots.”

    35. Z-man

      But I still don’t get how getting Rubio (again, a middling-to-mediocre starting PG who can’t shoot) is better than having cap space in case we actually draft a stud PG and want to use the space on another position of need.

      Rubio has been on the market for some time now and no one seems to be willing to give up very much for him, even with his “peachy” contract. Maybe Minny takes Lee or Lance off of our hands in a package for Rubio.

    36. Boriqua3

      “If that’s dodging a bullet, please shoot me twice in the off season when we have to find a starting PG”

      That was funny and also a shared sentiment Stratomatic. And here I was under the impression that this blog was opposed to having a genuine point guard.

    37. Jack Bauer

      Giving up Derrick Fucking Rose for Rubio would have qualified as giving up very little in my book.

      @41 – Dennis Smith sounds like he’ll make a great Knick and fit in nicely (smh)

      yeah Rose’s expiring contract frees up all of this cap space for the mythical savior FA who wants to sign on to join this dumpster fire. I can’t wait to see which all star it is!

    38. JK47

      Point guards take a while to develop, so even if the Knicks hit a home run and win the lotto and draft Lonzo Ball or Markelle Fultz, it would not hurt at all to have a veteran PG on a reasonable salary on the roster. In the much more likely scenario where the Knicks pick somewhere in the 6-9 range, you’re looking at PGs that need even more development– the Ntilikina/Fox tier. I don’t know that running KP out there for heavy minutes with DeAaron Fox is going to be much better for his development than this wasted season waiting for a Derrick Rose pass that never comes.

    39. KBrazilian

      Derrick Rose’s agent, B.J. Armstrong, reiterated on Saturday that Rose “wants to be in New York” after the Knicks included the player in trade discussions prior to the trade deadline on Thursday. Armstrong added that he and Rose understand that the Knicks were operating in their best interests when talking to opposing teams about a Rose deal.

      “It was an opportunity to see what his value truly was throughout the league,” Armstrong said on Sirius XM NBA radio on Saturday. “So as you can see, through all the reports, there were teams that were interested in him and what he does and what he brings to the court.”

      By Ian Begley (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18765489/agent-derrick-rose-says-player-wants-new-york). Rose wants that “max contract” while I have some difficulties to see him as more than a back-up next year (a great back-up, but still a reserve)…

    40. Boriqua3

      Rose is a cancer on a basketball TEAM. Watching the converted B. Jennings would be sooo much better than the overrated Rose. Having the TWolves bidding for his services was like “found money” (that was left on the street).
      Here’s hoping that Rubio will be in a Knicks uniform, without breaking the bank.

    41. Z-man

      Sorry, watching a modern PG brick 3 out of every 4 3pt shots he attempts (and being dared to shoot) is not my thing. I don’t care how good of a defender Rubio is rumored to be, he ain’t Avery Bradley. One thing KP doesn’t need is the opposing PG in his space because he can sag off of Rubio. I’d rather run a minimum D-Leaguer or a Fox or Ntilikina w/ a has-been rental like Ty Lawson or Jameer Nelson out there than waste cap space on a guy who can’t shoot to save his life. Jeez, he’s a career 39% from 2-pt range!

    42. stratomatic

      Well, actually you are. You are getting $20 mill in cap space for the next 2 years, rather than Rubio and $6 mill per.

      z man

      You should have read my post carefully.

      Sure, we’ll have 20m of cap space, but we will NOT get as good a value at PG (or probably any other position) as Rubio at his price. That was the complaint I made about trading Lopez that people were not grasping. People kept saying “Well at the end of the season Rose expires and we get that cap space back”. That’s not a valid argument. Try to sign a C of the quality of Lopez for what Lopez is making. Try to sign a PG of the quality of Rubio for only 2 years making what Rubio is making. You pretty much can’t do it with the rising caps.

      Don’t get me wrong. I’d way rather have cap space than a bad contract. But there are no bargains in FA unless a vet is ring chasing to play with Lebron or Curry/Durant. So when you do have a good contract on the books or you have an opportunity to get one, DO IT.

    43. Z-man

      @58 not disputing you. It’s not known whether Minny would have done the deal straight up…they did balk at the end of the day. But everyone seems to be enamored with “a PG of Rubio’s caliber.” My point is, that caliber is pretty mediocre (just like Lopez is pretty mediocre, what’s his trade value based on this year’s play?). I’m fine with checking the bargain bin, there’s someone that’s going to come available that will be a better bargain than Rubio. In the meantime, I’m fine with the cap space.

    44. Z-man

      Seriously, think of all the good PGs that were available for cheap (relative to their talent) over the past few years: Lowry, Teague, Hill, Mills, Lin, to name a few. Why is everyone so sure that those kinds of deals are not going to happen any more?

    45. Jack Bauer

      “I’d rather run a minimum D-Leaguer or a Fox or Ntilikina w/ a has-been rental like Ty Lawson or Jameer Nelson out there than waste cap space on a guy who can’t shoot to save his life. Jeez, he’s a career 39% from 2-pt range!”

      I guess they’ll just keep on chugging along without a good point guard for the foreseeable future

    46. BigBlueAL

      The main reason I wanted Rose traded is cause it would’ve basically guaranteed he wouldn’t be a Knick next season.

    47. Philmelo

      Rockets can offer Andrew Bogut up to $3.55M (though ideally less, to keep at least enough cap room for long-term min deal w/ 2nd open spot).— Albert Nahmad (@AlbertRandom1) February 25, 2017

    48. Cock Jowles, #1 Pythag. Wins Denialist

      Seriously, think of all the good PGs that were available for cheap (relative to their talent) over the past few years: Lowry, Teague, Hill, Mills, Lin, to name a few. Why is everyone so sure that those kinds of deals are not going to happen any more?

      I consider Seth Curry a SG (he is generally not great at passing) but lots of smart people on this board wanted him on a 2-year, $6M deal. He’s been pretty stellar this year with regard to his tiny contract, but that’s simply not the kind of deal that the Knicks make.

      They sign “experienced veterans” to enormous, long contracts and then give away assets to be free of them. This has been the case for well over ten years. Aside from some nice rookie contracts (that are traded away before they even end), the Knicks just don’t sign with value in mind. I would bet that Jackson was thinking about the ’09 Finals when he signed Courtney Lee. Seth Curry? If he were good, someone else would have picked him up. Multi-year D-Leaguers just don’t have the talent to make it in the NBA.

    49. Philmelo

      Appearing on The Lowe Post podcast, ESPN’s Brian Windhorst described the rising nervousness in Cleveland as the rumors flew linking the Celtics to Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

      “The Cavs were on pins and needles yesterday about the Celtics (possibly) getting Paul George or Jimmy Butler,” Windhorst said, via Joe Wolfond of theScore. “Pins and needles.”

      Windhorst went on to speculate that, had the Celtics pulled the trigger on a big move, the Cavaliers may have felt compelled to swing something big of their own to maintain their Eastern Conference stranglehold.

      “If it’s Isaiah Thomas, Al Horford, and Jimmy Butler, the Cavs might be out there saying, ‘We might have to trade Kevin Love,’” Windhorst said.

      Ultimately, nothing happened on the Celtics front, leaving the Cavaliers to breathe a sigh of relief. Perhaps they’d have gone for that Kevin Love-Carmelo Anthony trade had the Celtics gotten busy.

    50. KBrazilian

      Ultimately, nothing happened on the Celtics front, leaving the Cavaliers to breathe a sigh of relief. Perhaps they’d have gone for that Kevin Love-Carmelo Anthony trade had the Celtics gotten busy.

      As always, fuck the Celtics.

    51. Philmelo

      If that bit of speculation is true, the Celtics weren’t at fault for not cutting a deal. They offered a crapload of assets to get Paul George but Indiana didn’t bite.

    52. thenoblefacehumper

      Just got back from Miami-Duke. Jayson Tatum is trash, and we should draft my dude Bruce Brown whenever he declares.

    53. Z-man

      I consider Seth Curry a SG (he is generally not great at passing) but lots of smart people on this board wanted him on a 2-year, $6M deal. He’s been pretty stellar this year with regard to his tiny contract, but that’s simply not the kind of deal that the Knicks make.

      They sign “experienced veterans” to enormous, long contracts and then give away assets to be free of them. This has been the case for well over ten years. Aside from some nice rookie contracts (that are traded away before they even end), the Knicks just don’t sign with value in mind. I would bet that Jackson was thinking about the ’09 Finals when he signed Courtney Lee. Seth Curry? If he were good, someone else would have picked him up. Multi-year D-Leaguers just don’t have the talent to make it in the NBA.

      Mostly true, but KOQ, Kuz, and to a lesser degree, Jennings are “value” signings. Derrick Williams was sort of a value signing. Lopez is not a “value” contract anymore, at least not based on his stats.

    54. ClashFan

      Phil has made a few nice value signings and deals (KOQ, Willie, Kuz, Plumlee, Ron), but he’s messed up badly on the big ones: Melo NTC, Noah deal, Rose trade.

      I’m okay with Lee and even Lance to some extent b/c I do think they can be moved this offseason if desired.

      Getting rid of Melo this offseason is essential.

    55. thenoblefacehumper

      In order for someone to be a “value signing,” you have to actually extract value from them. That means they have to either contribute to meaningful wins, or get you assets in a trade. By that definition, KOQ, Kuz, Derrick Williams, Jennings, and pretty much everyone else Phil has ever signed are/were not value contracts. Hopefully that will change, but would anyone be surprised if Phil just lets KOQ expire without getting anything? I’m not sure Phil Jackson goes to work anymore.

    56. Ben R

      So what does everyone think the chances of Rose returning next year are. I’d say 50/50. He’s going to test the market and we are too. No one is going to bite on him and we are going to strike out. He will then resign at a “bargain” of 3 years 60 million.

      In all honesty who can we sign? Hill, Holiday and Mills are all staying where they are. Teague probably is too. If Indiana thought he was going to leave there would have been at least whispers of him moving at the deadline. I see only two possible outcomes we trade a real asset for Rubio or we resign Rose. Either way we blew it with the trade deadline.

    57. MSA

      In all honesty who can we sign?

      IMO, don’t sign anyone with that money.

      Draft a PG and sign some D-Leaguer with a team option in the second year.

      At some point a good PG will ask for a trade or test free agency and we will have cap space and assets to make it happen.

    58. d-mar

      NY Post: “Derrick Rose wants to be a Knick for a long time: agent”

      If by a long time he means 24 games, I’m on board with that.

    59. TheOakmanCometh

      We actually have some value contracts. Unfortunately we also have Noah, Rose, and Melo, so nobody cares about the role players on good deals.

    60. Brian Cronin

      They have some players who would have value on a good team, like O’Quinn, but they’re pretty wasted here.

    61. Will the Thrill

      If we do not sign another PG in the offseason, and don’t get to draft a PG, I will be very shocked if we don’t bring back Rose. That’s why I was pulling for a Rubio trade. Not because I thought it was absolutely the best basketball/roster move going forward, but it stifled Phil’s ability to make his inevitably worse decisions by comparison.

      I think of these possible outcomes:
      Rubio vs. signing Rose —> Rubio
      Rubio vs. massive overpay to Holiday/Hill/Teague —> Rubio
      Rubio vs. signing D-leaguer + holding onto cap space (never going to happen in my book) —> not Rubio

    62. yellowboy90

      I still don’t know why the Blazers were not linked to Butler. I get why they would not go after Paul since there is so much speculation about him going to LA but the Blazers could offer a great package of picks and players if they want too. If I am the Blazers I go into tank mode and try to get in the top 5. Maybe give up some games to Min. Dal, and Phx to end the year to push them up some slots. If they could get in the top 5 they would have so much ammo

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