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Knicks Morning News (2016.10.07)

  • [NYDN] Derrick Rose shows up to rape trial during accuser’s testimony
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 8:00:08 PM)

    Rose showed up at his rape trial just as his accuser was testifying she’s convinced she was drugged at his mansion.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah injury, Rose rape trial have marred Knicks preseason
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 11:54:01 AM)

    The Knicks’ no-show performance in Thursday’s exhibition opener is not even the most discouraging moment of the team’s preseason.

  • [SNY Knicks] Update: Noah did not practice Thursday
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 1:25:44 PM)

    Joakim Noah did not practice on Thursday, two days after missing the Knicks preseason opener due to a hamstring ailment.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis continues to take NBA by storm with shoe deal
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 11:45:50 AM)

    From the moment he was selected as Phil Jackson’s initial first round draft choice as Knicks President, Kristaps Porzingis has widely been heralded as the future of the franchise.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah missing time with Knicks teammates
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 7:32:00 PM)

    The Knicks’ two most important offseason acquisitions didn’t practice Thursday and might not be able to play for the foreseeable future.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose’s accuser weeps, defense says case is about money
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 4:22:00 PM)

    Lawyers for NBA star Derrick Rose and two friends accused of raping an incapacitated woman doubled down Wednesday on their assertions that the accuser willingly had sex with the trio, saying she performed sex acts on the men earlier that night at Rose’s mansion in Beverly Hills.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Joakim Noah still out with sore left hamstring
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 2:55:00 PM)

    Joakim Noah said his sore left hamstring is feeling better. He isn’t ruling out making his Knicks’ debut in Saturday’s preseason game. But he didn’t practice Thursday.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Brandon Jennings’ time to shine with Derrick Rose absent
    (Friday, October 07, 2016 4:54:41 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Brandon Jennings’ time to shine with Derrick Rose absent

  • [ESPN] Woman testifies in rape trial against Knicks’ Rose
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 3:38:57 PM)

    Woman testifies in rape trial against Knicks’ Rose

  • [NYPost] Rose’s absence means bigger role for Knicks’ other veteran PG
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 11:32:18 PM)

    When Derrick Rose entered Los Angeles federal court Thursday for the civil trial concerning his participation in the alleged gang rape of a former girlfriend, the Knicks were just leaving their practice court in Westchester, preparing for a potentially prolonged absence from their new point guard. Coach Jeff Hornacek isn’t sure when Rose will return…

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah the only defensive strategy for yoga-loving Knicks
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 3:51:37 PM)

    Joakim Noah noted improvement in his left hamstring and hopes to make his debut with the Knicks in Saturday’s preseason game against the Nets at Madison Square Garden, but the forward was unable to participate in Thursday’s practice and remains day-to-day. “I’m still not where I want to be,” Noah said. “I’m a little disappointed….

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose laughs off rape accuser’s tearful testimony
    (Thursday, October 06, 2016 11:49:08 AM)

    Derrick Rose’s accuser took the witness stand Thursday for the first time and repeatedly broke down as she described in graphic detail how she was allegedly gang-raped by the Knicks star and two buddies. The woman’s constant tears led a defense lawyer to actually ask the judge to make her knock off the water­works —…

  • [NYTimes] Derrick Rose’s Accuser Testifies During an Emotional Day in Court
    (Friday, October 07, 2016 2:27:38 AM)

    Rose’s ex-girlfriend testified about a night of drinking at the player’s Beverly Hills mansion and the incident that led her to file a lawsuit saying she was raped.

  • [NYTimes] The New-Look Knicks Seek an Identity
    (Friday, October 07, 2016 1:32:03 AM)

    A lopsided loss in the preseason opener produced a mix of optimism and disappointment for a team with a slew of new players.

  • [NYTimes] Howard, Lin Make Winning Debuts, Pacers Roll to 2-0
    (Friday, October 07, 2016 5:43:46 AM)

    Dwight Howard and Jeremy Lin got off to winning starts with their new teams.

  • [NYTimes] Howard, Lin Make Winning Debuts, Pacers Roll to 2-0
    (Friday, October 07, 2016 3:43:09 AM)

    Dwight Howard and Jeremy Lin got off to winning starts with their new teams.

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    87 comments on “Knicks Morning News (2016.10.07)

    1. Frank

      Re: Rose and not settling — it is actually possible that he didn’t do it, and doesn’t want to settle. Or that his adidas contract might be at risk if he settles. Or that he DID do it but feels so entitled that he thinks he can do whatever he wants with impunity. I’m not sure which of #1 or #3 is right. I doubt #2 is right.

      But in a he-said-she-said sort of situation, the one thing that stood out to me from what I’ve read recently is this — she apparently lives in a large condo complex that has locked outer doors, and that he had never been there before. I can believe someone let Derrick Rose through the locked outer doors. But when texting her address to him, she apparently didn’t text him which apartment number. So how does he get to her apartment (which is one out of I don’t know how many apartments there), and how does he get in without breaking the door down unless she let him in while supposedly passed out?

      So in order for him to get to her by her version of the story, this is the sequence of events that had to have happened:

      1) someone has to let 3 black men into a locked complex at 2am and not come forward as a witness
      2) Rose+ codefendants have to randomly guess which apartment and be right.
      3) the door has to be left unlocked for them to get in without any sign of forcible entry

      I’m really trying hard not to look at this case through Knicks-colored glasses, but that seems a relatively improbable sequence of events.

    2. lavor postell

      Very OT, but where’s Farfa been at? You can always count on Frank for a lengthy and well thought out first post of the day, but Farfa used to at least challenge him for those honors every day.

    3. DRed

      Hopefully he’ll be back for the season. I can’t blame anyone not posting here in the offseason

    4. lavor postell

      It just shows me he doesn’t have that something inside of his chest, that HEART required to be a KB commenter. All the dudes that comment here in the summer are REAL ruff ryders and those are the only people I want commenting around here.

    5. Frank

      lololol

      one actual basketball thing – i sort of like that Hornacek is not putting in a defensive gameplan in preseason games yet. He’s always maintained that he will adjust his system to his players, not the other way around. If you get a sense what the players would do on their own, it follows that you might be able to shape what your gameplay is around what may be easiest for them to pick up.

      Meanwhile no one gameplans for NFL preseason games and that’s considered smart.

      I guess it doesn’t give much time for practicing that game plan, but it still sort of makes sense to me.

    6. lavor postell

      It’s definitely a better way of seeing what players’ natural tendencies are. If he’s more of a guy that’ll tailor his system to his talent it makes quite a bit of sense.

    7. heavencent35

      It won’t hurt if we accept that rose already lost his athleticism. He can continue to drive in the lane and play like tony Parker. He should practice those teardrops.

    8. Nick C.

      It’s also a good way of testing out what they have been doing at something approximating gamespeed and intensity. Not to go all Allen Iverson but, practice is good, but presumably with the same fifteen guys it may get a little redundant.

      It also reminds me of pitchers in spring training that use it to work on a new pitch.

    9. Theo

      So in order for him to get to her by her version of the story, this is the sequence of events that had to have happened:

      1) someone has to let 3 black men into a locked complex at 2am and not come forward as a witness
      2) Rose+ codefendants have to randomly guess which apartment and be right.
      3) the door has to be left unlocked for them to get in without any sign of forcible entry

      I’m really trying hard not to look at this case through Knicks-colored glasses, but that seems a relatively improbable sequence of events.

      Even if she provided access, as you imply, that does not eliminate the possibility of rape. Take the glasses off. You’ll see better.

      More telling than all these conjectures are the accepted facts (aknowledged by Rose himself) that she had repeatedly rejected the idea of group sex in the past and that he took the used condom with him upon leaving the apartment.

      Pretty low stuff.

    10. KnickfaninNJ

      But it won’t do much for her credibility. Even if she claims she gave him her account number in the past, she still has to have let him in and since she stated Rose and his friends forced his way in, that makes her look like a liar

    11. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      Even if we assume that the facts are limited and the conjecture is everywhere: What are the chances that Derrick Rose is so innocent that you’d still actually wish for him to succeed?

    12. Frank

      Even if she provided access, as you imply, that does not eliminate the possibility of rape.

      Absolutely true – except that’s not her argument. Her argument is that she was totally passed out and they forced their way in and took advantage of her.

      She’d be asking the jury to believe either that they randomly guessed which apartment and got in without any evidence of forcible entry, or that — while completely passed out — she got herself out of bed, walked from her apt to wherever the external door is, opened the door for them, walked them back to the apartment and let them in the door while incapacitated by drugs and alcohol. I’m not saying it didn’t happen, but I could very much see the jury thinking the OTHER possibility — namely, what the defense is arguing — is at least as possible if not more likely.

      Re: the taking of the condom with him – I put zero importance on that from a guilty-not guilty perspective. Around the time of the Kobe case, I remember people saying that the reason pro athletes like to have anal sex with groupies is so theres no chance of pregnancy. If nothing else, pro athletes are well-trained by other players to avoid getting girls pregnant. It obviously happens, but it IS a topic of conversation.

      I’ve said from the beginning of this I don’t know who is telling the truth, and that there is nothing in my life experience that would prepare me to see this case through either Jane Doe’s or Derrick Rose’s eyes. They literally live in a completely different world than I do. I can’t possibly begin to try and figure out motives for just about anything they did.

    13. Frank

      Even if we assume that the facts are limited and the conjecture is everywhere: What are the chances that Derrick Rose is so innocent that you’d still actually wish for him to succeed?

      I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean. You don’t think Kawhi Leonard has had orgies with groupies? Or… *gasp* … Andre Drummond? NO NOT ANDRE!!!!

      I don’t know if anyone on this board was a D1 or pro athlete in a high-groupie sport, but this stuff happens ALL the time. (by “this stuff” I mean group sex, not rape). One of my buddies was being recruited to play football at a high D1 school and he said recruiting trips were basically sex trips. Granted this is many years ago, but I can’t imagine things have changed.

    14. stratomatic

      Many apartment buildings have a bell for each apartment with the resident’s name on it. So if you gain entrance through the primary door (which is often easy), you have access to the names. That’s one way they could know which apartment she was in (on the assumption that he didn’t already know).

      Personally, I think there’s almost no chance he’s innocent.

      From what I gather there is a record of her “repeatedly” being against the idea of group sex. So what made her change her mind other than a ton of alcohol, a date rape drug, or being unconscious.

    15. Theo

      What are the chances that Derrick Rose is so innocent that you’d still actually wish for him to succeed?

      Chances are very low. Wishful factor very high. He’s playing for the Knicks and the only possible beneficial outcome for Knicks fans is Rose winning the case.

      Does not mean much, in the end. Rose is PJ’s latest blunder. A low character player in a high character team, a low production has-been in New York, where moribund NBA careers come to die a wealthy death.

      Fuck Dolan, fuck the Knicks. I have been a Warriors fan for 3 years now and will not let anyone kill my joy watching good, *meaningful* basketball. Will root for the Knicks when/if they ever give me a reason for it. Until then, they are no different than the Brooklyn Nets: un-watchable and pretty forgettable.

      There you go. Crucify me.

    16. jkhar

      If I read between the lines on this board, basically D Rose is a bad person for participating in a group sex activity, regardless if there was consent or not. So there is no evidence that will change your opinion of him as a person. Case closed…
      But I think a lot of you will be shocked at how many of your heros(sports or otherwise) have breached your moral and ethical boundaries.

    17. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      I don’t even know what this is supposed to mean. You don’t think Kawhi Leonard has had orgies with groupies? Or… *gasp* … Andre Drummond? NO NOT ANDRE!!!!

      I’ve had orgies with groupies, or something very similar. I pass no judgment for consenting acts between adults. Like, zero judgment. You could wear a Isiah Thomas mask and your partner could wear a Stephon Marbury mask, and I’d be like, “Mazel tov.” (If Kawhi Leonard is this generation’s Marvin Harrison, i.e. a soft-spoken, no-nonsense, down-to-earth guy who likes to shoot at people in his spare time, I will officially quit sports.)

      I don’t know if anyone on this board was a D1 or pro athlete in a high-groupie sport, but this stuff happens ALL the time. (by “this stuff” I mean group sex, not rape). One of my buddies was being recruited to play football at a high D1 school and he said recruiting trips were basically sex trips. Granted this is many years ago, but I can’t imagine things have changed.

      Right, but that’s not the issue. (Don’t even get me started on the NCAA’s batshit insane recruiting culture.) The issue is that she certainly was intoxicated past the point of reasonable consent, and he and his friends certainly texted her multiple times at her gate/door with no response. Then, the sexual encounter happened. This may not be grounds for a guilty verdict in a criminal trial, but it sure makes me lean toward “fuck that guy.”

    18. Theo

      If I read between the lines on this board, basically D Rose is a bad person for participating in a group sex activity, regardless if there was consent or not. So there is no evidence that will change your opinion of him as a person. Case closed…

      Honestly, most people wouldn’t want their families contaminated by a guy who smokes pot and does ecstasy, has no formal education, can barely speak, engages in group sex (with the associated nice little diseases attached to it) and drinking.

      Him making a lot of money will change a few minds, though. But most decent people can see what sort of garbage Rose is, fame or no fame, money or no money.

    19. lavor postell

      Fuck Dolan, fuck the Knicks. I have been a Warriors fan for 3 years now and will not let anyone kill my joy watching good, *meaningful* basketball. Will root for the Knicks when/if they ever give me a reason for it. Until then, they are no different than the Brooklyn Nets: un-watchable and pretty forgettable.

      Why do you spend so much time crying about the Knicks then? Go to Golden State of Mind and rejoice dude.

    20. thenoblefacehumper

      Absolutely true – except that’s not her argument. Her argument is that she was totally passed out and they forced their way in and took advantage of her.

      It’s almost as if severely intoxicated and/or drugged person might not be able to recall every last detail of a situation, and might mix up a few minor details while largely remembering a life altering trauma.

      Also as Strat said, many apartment buildings have a directory of some sort and the front doors are often more security theater than anything else.

    21. Theo

      Why do you spend so much time crying about the Knicks then? Go to Golden State of Mind and rejoice dude.

      Because I enjoy exchanging opinions with other basketball fans. Being a fan (of any team or sport) does not require moving into a bubble and closing your eyes to reality.

      Try being objective about your favorite things or beings one day. You might enjoy the extra light!

    22. thenamestsam

      If I read between the lines on this board, basically D Rose is a bad person for participating in a group sex activity, regardless if there was consent or not. So there is no evidence that will change your opinion of him as a person. Case closed…
      But I think a lot of you will be shocked at how many of your heros(sports or otherwise) have breached your moral and ethical boundaries.

      I’ll just say for myself that I have no problem whatsoever with group sex. However, in my understanding even in Rose’s version of events he pushed the boundaries of consent in a way I personally feel very uncomfortable with. There’s a pretty clearly established record in his text messages of him pressuring her to do things sexually she may not have been comfortable with, and specifically she repeatedly rebuked his efforts to get her to engage in group sex. On the night in question she is by all accounts extremely intoxicated, whether drinking, drugs, whatever. He and his two buddies, knowing this, go to her house and ring the bell/call whatever trying to get in for an hour.

      Now none of us will ever likely know with certainty what happened at that point. It’s legitimately possible that she doesn’t even know exactly.But for my part, even if she buzzed him in at that point, and agreed to something I think he has crossed a line. Not far enough to meet any legal standard (assuming that my hypothetical account of what happened is accurate), but from my personal perspective on what I consider to be ethical, acceptable behavior, by going there knowing her intoxication level and pressuring her into something he could reasonably have concluded she wouldn’t have otherwise agreed to, he’s at best heavily toeing the line of what constitutes consent in my mind.

    23. Donnie Walsh

      If nothing else, pro athletes are well-trained by other players to avoid getting girls pregnant.

      Haha. Did Larry Johnson miss that tutorial? What about Shawn Kemp? Kenny Anderson?

      (Ex-Knick draft pick Royce White has more baby-mamas than games played in the league!)

    24. Frank

      btw I generally agree with most of what people are saying here from my own personal worldview. The whole thing doesn’t look good for Rose, and the whole sordid affair, even if it was WITH consent, is not something I would be involved in, or would want my family members or friends involved in.

      That said – like I wrote above – whether the high-horse critics like it or not, this (and by “this” I don’t mean rape while a girl is passed out — rather I mean group sex, etc.) is part of the celebrity / pro athlete culture. Maybe Wilt Chamberlain didn’t sleep with 20000 women or whatever it was, but I’m sure it was at least in the quadruple digits. Magic Johnson told a story about how one time there were so many women on him he lost count. So in terms of “rooting interest”, I certainly would not want to root for a rapist. But a dude that has sex with multple women, multiple men, whatever configuration — it matters zero to me.

      And so whether I would want to root for him or not comes down to who is telling the truth in this case. Both sides’ stories seem believable to me — ergo why they are calling it a he-said-she-said. There’s no video, there’s no hard evidence at all. Even the texts could be read multiple ways by reasonable people. And unless there’s some bombshell new evidence, I’m not sure we’ll ever know who was telling the truth. And so I’ll continue to root for Derrick Rose because he’s on my favorite team. I won’t buy his jersey, I won’t get posters of him for my son, etc etc but sure — I hope he plays well for the NYK.

    25. Frank

      If nothing else, pro athletes are well-trained by other players to avoid getting girls pregnant.

      Haha. Did Larry Johnson miss that tutorial? What about Shawn Kemp? Kenny Anderson?

      (Ex-Knick draft pick Royce White has more baby-mamas than games played in the league!)

      I like how when you quoted me, you left out my next sentence, which was that it obviously happens.

    26. Frank

      Ugh. I can’t believe I’ve devoted so much of my morning to Derrick Rose who is likely to be my least favorite Knick, when we have Porzingis on the team.

    27. massive

      Rose’s lawyers are definitely scumbags but they’re doing a decent job of pointing out some questionable details. Most notably, they asked her why she invited Rose over that late at night. Her response was along the lines of “to watch TV and hang out” or something like that. That’s ridiculously unbelievable. Who invites their ex to their apartment after midnight to hang out and cuddle? Especially when their ex left them for not being comfortable enough with sex acts?

      Part of me thinks she was drinking all night and trying to get Rose to smoke weed and pop ecstasy because she wanted to get him back and figured sex, his way, was how she would do it. I think she bonded with him and built it up in her mind that she was going to be more sexy for him, but that she couldn’t live with doing it in a sober state. I think all of the drug abuse that night was so that she could actually live with the group sex or whatever Rose wanted, but that she went overboard and became too drunk to consent (or at least remember that she consented).

      Rose is a bastard for taking advantage of her like this, but I do believe there was intent to have sex on both sides. I can’t see a plausible version where a woman goes back to her hyper sexually aggressive ex boyfriend who showed no signs of changing without knowing what he would want from her. Maybe in Rose’s mind she finally came around and was willing to participate in what he wanted.

      Personally I think it’s wrong for Rose to have done what he did. He clearly took advantage of a woman who was drunk and the details make me nauseous. However I do believe there was intent from Doe to sleep with him and apparently she had sex with two of the defendants earlier at the party. It’s all a big mess, and I believe Rose’s cross examination will be the determining factor in which way the case goes.

    28. er

      I have been a Warriors fan for 3 years now and will not let anyone kill my joy watching good, *meaningful* basketball

      Is that you KD?

    29. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      Part of me thinks she was drinking all night and trying to get Rose to smoke weed and pop ecstasy because she wanted to get him back and figured sex, his way, was how she would do it. I think she bonded with him and built it up in her mind that she was going to be more sexy for him, but that she couldn’t live with doing it in a sober state. I think all of the drug abuse that night was so that she could actually live with the group sex or whatever Rose wanted, but that she went overboard and became too drunk to consent (or at least remember that she consented).

      Are you a fiction writer by day?

    30. Ingmarrr

      The group that supports the Rose and Noah blunder (from a basketball, not a marketing standpoint) seems to be identical with the group that believes he’s innocent. An inherent belief that the system is good and wise and just, no matter what?

    31. er

      The group that supports the Rose and Noah blunder (from a basketball, not a marketing standpoint) seems to be identical with the group that believes he’s innocent. An inherent belief that the system is good and wise and just, no matter what?

      This is the last time I’m posting this. No one here except Reub has said “he’s innocent”. Resonable ppl may have doubts or are not sure. That’s hard for you hardliners to grasp

    32. KnickfaninNJ

      Ingmarr, that’s not true. I didn’t like the trade, but I don’t think there was a crime or something that deserves a substantial financial settlement.

    33. Ras1980

      Rose is a scumbag. Its not a situation like in the Jose Reyes case where he apologized for his domestic abuse and went to work things out with his wife. Rose has shown scummy behavior and isn’t the least bit contrite about his actions towards this woman. Only reason I am not totally upset with his presence on this team is because I know he’ll be injured by season’s end and won’t be resigned.

      I pray Kyle Lowry or Chris Paul become available for us should KP’s growth begin to entice potential FAs.

    34. Ras1980

      I think all these people criticizing Rose are just jealous they haven’t had group sex.

      Yes, gangbanging a groupie with your posse is the dream of every NBA fan.

    35. er

      Rose is a scumbag. Its not a situation like in the Jose Reyes case where he apologized for his domestic abuse and went to work things out with his wife. R

      What?

    36. Ras1980

      This is the last time I’m posting this. No one here except Reub has said “he’s innocent”. Resonable ppl may have doubts or are not sure. That’s hard for you hardliners to grasp

      Only reasonable doubt I have is with Rose’s story. His texts before and after the event in question look shady as fuck.

    37. ClashFan

      I hear that the Knicks have a preseason game tonight. Even though it is just preseason, I hope the D improves from the horror of the Houston game.

    38. thenoblefacehumper

      This is the last time I’m posting this. No one here except Reub has said “he’s innocent”. Resonable ppl may have doubts or are not sure. That’s hard for you hardliners to grasp

      No you fuck off. This girl was not his girlfriend. She’s what the kids call a jump off. A girl that you just have sex with. 95% of the league has a list of jump offs. So combine that with the holes in the her story and I smell bullshit. I’m obviously against rape and rape culture, but some of these women get mad at men and throw the R word around. It’s fucking despicable.

      hahahahaha the same person said both of these things

    39. stratomatic

      For the record:

      1. Group sex has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion on the Rose case. Quite honestly, if I had the opportunity to be with 2 or more women I would definitely do it just to have the experience (not with other guys or in a gang bang though).

      2. I’ve had too much to drink and wound up sleeping with a woman that also had to much to drink, but it was never to the point where consent could be questioned. We were in conversation before and after.

      Rose said he didn’t even understand what “consent” meant. That’s practically damning enough in a case like this. From what I’ve read it seems obvious she was either very drunk or drugged at the time she agreed (or did not agree) to do something that for the longest time she had refused to do. The best case scenario is that he took advantage of her when she was very intoxicated (which makes him a scumbag). At worst he and his friends gang raped her while she was semi conscious or unconscious.

    40. Silky Johnson, Phil Jackson Hater of the Year

      I think Owen’s post was more a joke than anything, but if he’s serious, then yeah, that’s a pretty silly opinion.

      Strat has the right view here people

    41. thenoblefacehumper

      Echoing Strat, the pro bono Rose attorneys don’t seem to understand that he doesn’t have to have full on broken into someone’s house and gang raped their completely unconscious body to be a fucking scumbag who isn’t worth rooting for. There are plenty of scenarios short of that in which he’s still obviously a piece of shit, including one in which he pressures a woman to do something she has clearly stated her opposition to in the past with the help of alcohol and emotional coercion. Fuck this dude.

    42. er

      hahahahaha the same person said both of these things

      Right…..so you search KB from like 2 months ago lol. That was before I understood everything in the case and in there I never said he was innocent…..learn to read. I said I smell bs….she said she was
      drugged and her house was broken into, after inviting him over.

      What part don’t you get?

      Did you say Reyes was cool because he apologized?

    43. MamaThereGoesThatMan

      When Rose comes off the books, should we make Kyle Lowry the new Westbrook since he seems to be opting out?

    44. ptmilo

      these posts that include people stating their personal stance on whether they’d enjoy sex with multiple parties are fantastic. just remember that the triangle does not work without constant ball movement. tony wroten is available!

    45. JK47

      Should I care that KP jay walks too?

      In case there was any question that Rube is the worst poster in KB history, he just compared jaywalking to gang rape to clear up any doubt.

      #BanHammer

    46. johnno

      @45 — the fact that Rose said that he didn’t know what “consent” meant may or may not be damning, depending on the context and the testimony that followed. If, for example, the follow-up question, was, “If I told you that consent means ‘permission,’ do you think that a man can have sex with a woman without her consent?” and he answered, “Oh, I didn’t realize what that word meant. Of course you can’t have sex without permission. I would never do that.” This proves nothing other than that he is not very smart. If, on the other hand, he said, “Of course I can have sex without permission. We men. That’s what we do,” then he is a scumbag and likely a rapist. This is why I said the other day that it isn’t right to “convict” or “acquit” him until all evidence is in. I feel the same way about the points that the defense might have scored in cross-examination. Wait until all evidence is in before concluding that she’s a liar.

    47. Ras1980

      Did you say Reyes was cool because he apologized?

      And worked things out with his wife. In other words, he wasn’t a douche about the whole issue like your hero.

    48. reub

      These civil charges against Rose are alleged and unproven. Does that mean anything to the KB haters in here?

    49. johnno

      @24 — I think that you may have hit on why Rose’s attitude toward the trial seems kind of cavalier. In his world, group sex, groupie sex, “we men” going to a woman’s home in threes in the wee hours of the morning for group sex, is apparently not so unusual. He might not even realize that to the jury (and to most of the public — also known as the jury in the court of public opinion) that is a world that is pretty foreign and, to many, not exactly attractive.

    50. Ras1980

      These civil charges against Rose are alleged and unproven. Does that mean anything to the KB haters in here?

      He still sounds creepy as fuck at best. At worse he’s a rapist. Either way its a big FU from me to him.

    51. Ras1980

      There once was a player named Rose
      Who liked to gangbang some hos
      His first name is Derrick
      And his behavior’s barbaric
      So now off to prison he goes!

    52. er

      And worked things out with his wife. In other words, he wasn’t a douche about the whole issue like your hero.

      Lol k

      Nice previous post too

    53. johnno

      @17 — why do you say she “certainly was intoxicated beyond the point of reasonable consent?” As far as I am aware, the only people who said that were her and her friend. The defendants say otherwise. I know that, supposedly, Rose’s expert said her BAC was about .20. However, I’m pretty sure that is not what he said. I think he said something like, if she drank as much as she claimed, her BAC would be that high. However, he didn’t conclude that she did drink that much. By the way, this is a serious question, not a wise-ass one — my guess is that at least some of the participants in your orgies had been drinking. If that is true, how can you be sure that they were in a good enough state of mind to reasonably consent?

    54. thenoblefacehumper

      If that is true, how can you be sure that they were in a good enough state of mind to reasonably consent?

      Without delving into my personal life, if someone had:
      a) rejected the idea multiple times previously
      b) been drinking enough to grab a piece of burning charcoal (this was referenced in her texts to Rose the next day and he didn’t seem confused as to what she was talking about)
      c) been asleep when I and my, um, crew arrived

      then it’s a fucking hard no, without even having to think about it.

    55. ptmilo

      In notable exchange, @drose testified a suggestive text from accuser the day before alleged rape was to him consent for sex 18 hrs later.

      If this is contextually accurate it is a problem.

    56. MamaThereGoesThatMan

      @67 where’d you see that Phil’s comment made it into the cross? What’s the best source for keeping up with the trial? Thanks.

    57. ptmilo

      best source is twitter
      @joelrubin
      @juliakmarsh
      @nancydillonNYDN

      also bondy and herring. always herring.

    58. Zanzibar

      It’s so nice to be able to escape from the political world – where today that orange-haired menace said how his celebrity enabled him to just “Grab her p!ssy” – to the world of our Orange & Blue where we’re able to talk basketball and our celebrity Rose’s ability to penetrate.

    59. Cock Jowles, Betting the Under in 2017

      then it’s a fucking hard no, without even having to think about it.

      Let us all accept the fact that many people on this board and elsewhere will say, “How do we know?” until there’s videographic evidence. Then a subset of that group will say, “Perhaps, but was it warranted?” only in monosyllabic terms, grunting, knuckles dragging.

      See: Ray Rice & c.

    60. er

      Let us all accept the fact that many people on this board and elsewhere will say, “How do we know

      U sound ignorant. How is this a bad thing? For instance no one saw any video of Hardy or Chapman or Reyes but it’s pretty clear what happened. This is not clear. Just because you want to lean one way doesn’t mean that it’s corrext

    61. johnno

      @75 — you are probably right that there are some people who are ignorant enough to have already concluded based only on what has been leaked to the media that Rose is innocent and nothing will convince them otherwise. They are no more or less ignorant than those who have concluded based on that same partial evidence that he is guilty, and no evidence that comes out at the trial will convince you, I mean them, otherwise. I think (actually hope) that I and many others will be able to judge him fairly based on all of the evidence. By the way, you haven’t answered my question, so I’ll pose it a different way — if a groupie has one beer and agrees to be in your orgy, she certainly was capable of consenting. If she had 24 beers, she most likely was not capable of reasonable consent. Where between those two extremes is the tipping point?

    62. ptmilo

      Update for those not checking Twitter:

      1. Rose is testifying again on Tuesday so he’s out Monday too. Let’s see more Baker/Randle less Sasha please.

      2. Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 30m30 minutes ago
      Derrick Rose moved for mistrial just now claiming Doe hid a text message saying she was mad he didnt “f–k” her friend. Judge 2 rule tues

      Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 17m17 minutes ago
      Text in question refers to a friend Doe brought to Rose’s Beverly Hills mansion on 8/26/13, hours before she claims the alleged rape

      Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 15m15 minutes ago
      The 136am text “she was mad at me babe why u have me bring a bitch & u ain’t finna [sic] f–k her.” Texts in evidence dont include this

    63. thenoblefacehumper

      Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 6m6 minutes ago
      @juliakmarsh Q: The reason why u thought u had consent..is because u had a relationship w/ her?
      A: Yes (pause) a non exclusive relationship

      Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 5m5 minutes ago
      Q: & that’s ur understanding of what consent is correct?
      A: i had sex with her before, yes
      #DoevRose

      Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 5m5 minutes ago
      Q: So that made u believe u could go over to her apartment and have sex with her that evening or another day?
      A: yes that evening
      #DoevRose

      Julia Marsh ?@juliakmarsh 2m2 minutes ago
      Rose testifies about alleged rape: “in my mind she consented. She consented every time we had sex so why wouldn’t she that one time?”

    64. thenoblefacehumper

      “in my mind she consented”

      Cool. Now, what happened in the real fucking world, you imbecile?

    65. duchamp fitz

      If you’re going around with your two buddies looking for a girl to abuse, you should probably just have sex with your buds. But somehow being gay is more unacceptable than being a rapist.

    66. Z

      Man, the Knicks hate to settle cases. They’d rather air it all out publicly to save a few bucks, I guess. Great “culture change”, Phil. Kind of makes one yearn for the days of merely tying opponents’ shoe-laces together.

      Marbury saying “you getting in the truck?” to an intern seems almost benign, given what Rose is bringing with him to New York.

      (oh, and ptmilo’s post in #54 is amazing).

    67. Ingmarrr

      Women should boycott the season. Tell their male friends not to buy tickets as well. Only when you look at the stands at MSG and see zero women, and zero men who are willing to participate in rape culture, it would stop.

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