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Thursday, February 21, 2019

Game Thread: New York Knicks at Cleveland Cavaliers

Game Thread: New York Knicks at Cleveland Cavaliers

Start Time: 02/11/2019 19:00:00

Someone has to win when Cavaliers host Knicks

The good news is that someone will have to win Monday night, when the New York Knicks and Cleveland Cavaliers play each other. The bad news is … someone will have to win.
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    131 comments on “Game Thread: New York Knicks at Cleveland Cavaliers

    1. alsep73

      I’m team tank, but this streak has gone on long enough that it’s not great for the psyches of our young’uns. I’ll take a W tonight before we go right back on the road to Zion.

    2. Brian Cronin

      That seems to indicate that the mid-level is available to teams under the cap.

      It’s the exact opposite. It’s just a way of saying that yes, in theory, every team has the mid-level available to them, but it counts as a cap hold for that amount, so it’s essentially useless (as if you have $9 million in cap space available, you just use the cap space. There is no need to use the MLE there. So you “renounce” the MLE, which frees up the $9 million and then you just use the $9 million in cap space to sign the player).

      So it’s just some confusing rhetorical language. The main thing to remember is that teams under the cap do not have access to the MLE. They can only exceed the cap with the room exception and any bird rights that they have after using that player’s cap hold.

    3. Brian Cronin

      The buyout season can be so annoying some times. The Raptors just getting gifted Jeremy Lin is a pain in the ass.

    4. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      I’m team tank, but this streak has gone on long enough that it’s not great for the psyches of our young’uns. I’ll take a W tonight before we go right back on the road to Zion.

      They can have a W when they earn it.

    5. TheOakmanCometh

      I’m team tank, but this streak has gone on long enough that it’s not great for the psyches of our young’uns. I’ll take a W tonight before we go right back on the road to Zion.

      This would be the worst possible game to win. Cleveland is one game behind us in the tankathon.

    6. ephus

      If there ever were a game to want to lose to foster the Tank, this is it. It is a 2 game swing with Cleveland.

      If you want the Knicks to win a few games for the rest of the season, I’m with you. If you want them to win any games against Cleveland, Phoenix or Chicago, I do not understand how you think.

    7. GoNyGoNyGo

      Brian,
      Thanks. The mid-level exception language is quite confusing and several places I’ve read that the Knicks could use it to sign Jordan.

      Also, I agree that the WORST win would be against the Cavs.

    8. Jack Bauer

      “Yeah, this is the Kursk of tank battles tonight. Need an L.”

      Good one. nice reference – Largest tank battle of WWII, maybe ever.

      Yes a few wins would be nice before the season ends just not against Cleveland or Phoenix

    9. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      This should be an interesting battle of train wrecks. About the only reason to watch is to see Robinson.

    10. dtrickey

      If we can eek out a win in the Zion Bowl tonight (i.e. we loose), we surely have to be well on the way to getting a frozen envelope. I mean yeah the franchise is worth $4 billion and has been it’s own worst enemy for the last 20 years, but at least the Cavs had LeBron twice and fans under the age of 65 that remember their last championship.

    11. Brian Cronin

      Thanks. The mid-level exception language is quite confusing and several places I’ve read that the Knicks could use it to sign Jordan.

      It’s a super confusing way to make the point, agreed. As for articles about it, that’s what I was saying the other day, the media really doesn’t seem to know anything about how the cap works. It’s kind of annoying.

    12. Owen

      While it’s annoying thst the media doesn’t know what it’s talking about it’s amazing that so.many people here do. Love all you capologists!

    13. geo

      scary game tonight – if ever there was a time for it – we really need that fizmagic working for us…

      guessing DJ will have a double double – just hoping it’s not some 20 – 20 type…i imagine DSJ will be good for 25 at least…knox will probably have a “good” game (maybe 20 als0) – hopefully no one else on our team (like trier or super mario) picks tonight to go off…

      go jordan clarkson and larry nance jr. – we need you guys…

    14. geo

      i remember as a kid putting together some small diorama of the battle of el alamein…wish we had frank and mud both available for the game tonight…

    15. JK47

      This blog is the best.

      Seriously, you guys are awesome. If this blog ceased to exist I would probably stop giving a shit about the Knicks altogether.

    16. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Dennis Smith Jr and DeAndre Jordan are gonna go nuts tonight. I think this is a win for the Knicks.

    17. Jack Bauer

      It’s like our own Battle of the Bulge:

      Fizdale to the Cavs : “You must Surrender now ”

      Cavs : “Nuts!”

    18. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      The Jordan free throw mental thing is really amazing — whoever worked with him on that really earned their money. He’s up nearly 50% over his career average.

      That said, I hope he misses the rest of his shots tonight.

    19. geo

      so far this year we are 0 for 3 against the bulls, suns, and cavs…probably no accident…seems we finally learned how to tank (a few seasons late, but)…

      unfortunately though, we play those same teams 4 more times this year (not including tonight)…

      gotta make the magic happen fiz…if we do end up winning a handful more of games by season’s end – let it not be against any of those teams…

    20. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      If the Cavs win by 10 or more, are we allowed to forfeit the remainder of the season?

    21. dtrickey

      Can we just clear the entire roster and start from scratch?

      I would be all for the NBA letting us clean house and having an expansion draft.

    22. geo

      DSJ with only 2 shot attempts???

      i’m starting to really warm up to that young man…hopefully knox and mario take most of our shot attempts…

    23. d-mar

      Some may choose to switch to NBA TV at 8 and watch Harden go up against Luka. I choose to watch Mario “The Human Highlight Reel” Hezonja.

    24. Z-man

      Seriously, that could be a top 10 dunk for the year. Mario, you suck, but have to give you props for that one!

    25. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Dennis Smith Jr and DeAndre Jordan > Tim Hardaway Jr, Enes Kanter, Trey Burke, and Courtney Lee and we are still the worst team in the NBA.

    26. thenoblefacehumper

      I tend to be a #KnicksOnly guy when they’re playing but Luka vs Harden is giving me quite a look from across the bar

    27. Z-man

      That’s like saying I tend to be a Phyllis Diller only guy but Beyonce and J Lo are eyeing me up from across the bar…

    28. thenoblefacehumper

      I swear the eye-test tells me Knox snags some tough-ish rebounds but the pesky numbers say he rebounds like a point guard.

      I still like Kadeem. I think the main reason I’m somewhat sympathetic to the current front office, even though I don’t like the kind of player they seem to have an affinity for, is they seem to have a general idea of what kind of players a team in our place on the win curve should sign to fill out the roster. Allen, Trier, and MitchRob all getting big minutes feels like the kind of thing that wouldn’t happen under the last few regimes. Even Hezonja and Vonleh were much more sensible targets than, say, *looks around, then whispers as not to offend anyone* Afflalo/Williams/Thomas etc. even if their contracts were mostly pointless.

    29. thenoblefacehumper

      That’s like saying I tend to be a Phyllis Diller only guy but Beyonce and J Lo are eyeing me up from across the bar…

      Just gonna be honest and say I don’t know who Phyllis Diller is but I think I get the idea?

    30. Owen

      Well, I turned it on for a nice Mitch block but other than that, pretty dismal.

      Sometimes when they cut to Fizdale gesticulating to the refs on the sidelines he kind of looks like he’s a coach in a Key and Peele skit.

      MITCH!!!!!!!!

    31. thenoblefacehumper

      Have they considered lobbing in Mitch’s general direction every time?

      Actually I hope they don’t, going undefeated for the rest of the season would be a tough break.

    32. Owen

      I do think I am seeing better guard play from Jenkins and Allen than I have seen in a while. I remember Jenkins being good in college. Surprised he has been wandering in the wilderness.

    33. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      How crazy is it that Frank Ntilikina might have actually been a 3rd string guard on our G League team?

    34. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      Also, Mitchell Robinson is a better basketball player on both ends of the court than Jayson Tatum. Fight me.

    35. thenoblefacehumper

      I’m really glad we clarified Mitch’s role on the team going forward by trading our second best big to Dallas

    36. thenoblefacehumper

      If the Cavs aren’t gonna play Love at all in the second half we might have to respond with Closer Mario

    37. thenoblefacehumper

      A lot of Knicks are having decent games and Knox is just singlehandedly carrying the tanking load! Impressive stuff for a rookie.

    38. Brian Cronin

      Have they considered lobbing in Mitch’s general direction every time?

      I was shocked at the game I went to that they didn’t throw him any lobs in the second half after throwing him, like, six in a row in the first half and they all worked.

    39. JK47

      The knock on Kevin Knox was that all his soft ass floater shit was not going to work at all in the NBA.

      Well, here we are.

    40. JK47

      YASSSSSS

      17 STRAIGHT BITCHES

      YOU CAN’T STOP THIS TANK

      EVEN CLEVELAND IS NOT SAFE FROM THIS TANKING MACHINE

    41. Ntilakilla

      My only regret is that we got smart to this whole tanking deal the year that the NBA changed the structure of our draft.

    42. Z-man

      The funny thing is, Mitch is playing like a #5 overall pick and us costing us the vet’s minimum for the next 3 years. Hard to beat that!

    43. Bruno Almeida

      2 games up on Cleveland in the tankathon! Kadeeem the Dream! Mitchell Robinson! I’m honestly just having a lot of fun watching the actual scrubs playing instead of Mudiay or THJ or Kanter, so I really can’t complain. The losses are still coming and the games have been more watchable.

    44. thenoblefacehumper

      How crazy is it that Frank Ntilikina might have actually been a 3rd string guard on our G League team?

      Pretty crazy, but I guess now we know why he was never sent down even when he obviously should have been!

    45. Z-man

      There might be some truth to the notion that they didn’t send him down because they didn’t want to expose him.

    46. geo

      watching the nbatv telecast of dallas/houston…

      so it seems like they took a break from that players only crap…but, instead of just letting the home or road announcers call the game – they got some folks (steve smith, candace parker, and some play by play guy) sitting in a studio “lounge” talking about the game…

      granted, some team announcers really suck, but, this ain’t so good either…

    47. Ntilakilla

      Someone is salty.

      Knox: “You see it all the time with the tanking & want us to lose, stuff like that. It’s kind of stupid. They’re not really true New Yorkers. Real Knicks fans know that we’re trying to just take this year to just develop us young guys and then next year hopefully make a push.” https://t.co/q5euJk1rSP— The Knicks Wall (@TheKnicksWall) February 11, 2019

    48. geo

      thankfully the clips at minny are broadcasting…

      ralph lawler has got to be the biggest homer in the league (maggette’s just kind of annoying and whiny) – still, much better than what they got going on there in the nbatv studios…

    49. rama got that Fizdale Magic

      Courtney Lee clearly learned a lot from Lance Thomas while he was here. Two games in a row with tree falls in a forest numbers. Maybe he really is cooked.

    50. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      They’re not really true New Yorkers.

      says the teenager from Phoenix who played at Kentucky

    51. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      Can we just clear the entire roster and start from scratch?

      Keep Robinson and Frank.

    52. geo

      kevin turns 20 in august…I can’t imagine either himself or frank ever thought they’d play this poorly once they reached the nba…

      you would think they’ve gotten every iteration of the “why do you suck so bad” question…

      I like the fact that at the moment we are holding on to our last two first round picks and doing our due diligence…

      really though, what difference does it make, we’re trying to lose, and, most importantly – who do we have better to put out there in their spots…

      well, except maybe for everyone on our g league roster..

    53. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      I can’t see how Paul George is not in the MVP conversation. I’d vote for Giannis, but there are only a handful of players in the league that can carry a team on offense and also impact the game significantly on defense. George is one of them. Westbrook looks like he’s beginning to decline but George is carrying them.

    54. The Glass Half Rebuilt

      So Steve Ballmer, the owner of the LA Clippers, went on Kevin Durant’s new web series over on ESPN+ and literally said the fans know everything they know. I thought I was crazy, but after that he said “it’s not like we have something back here in the lab like we did at Microsoft” while the owner of the Denver Nuggets was nodding in agreement.

      I’m taking that as confirmation that NBA teams don’t have any super advanced stats that lead them to see something in guys our basketball reference searches tell us are bums.

    55. thenoblefacehumper

      There might be some truth to the notion that they didn’t send him down because they didn’t want to expose him.

      I mean what do we think Frank could put up in the G-League, TS% included? There’s no faster way to tank a guy’s trade value than to have him put up a sub 50% TS with the Westies.

    56. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      Knox is so young it’s way too soon to write him off, but he looks like another Mills/Perry special.

      1. Can create his own shot (check)
      2. Scores pointz (check)
      3. Makes occasional highlight reel plays (check)
      4. Scores inefficiently (check)
      5. Plays no defense (check)
      6. Doesn’t make winning non boxscore plays (check)
      7. Suspect basketball IQ.

      Yep, that’s Mills/Perry checklist.

    57. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      These Knicks G league players are not any good. They just look OK relative to the dumpster fire Mills/Perry have built here so far.

    58. Bruno Almeida

      Until last season I would argue that Paul George was overrated, but this season he has been absolutely incredible. His BPM is 3 times higher than last season, he lowered his turnovers and had massive improvements on both efficiency and volume. At this point he’s the clear 3rd in the MVP race, I still have Giannis and Harden ahead of him but he’s been performing so damn well.

    59. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      Why is Kevin Love still on the Cavs?

    60. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

      @118

      He definitely stepped it up this year, but he’s always been underrated here because the impact of his defense is not in the boxscore. If Westbrook could shoot, they’d be a serious contender. They are better and deeper than they’ve been in awhile, but Westbrook is just not the same (at least regular season). George will not be able to carry the team in the playoffs every night. He’s going to need help.

    61. The Honorable Cock Jowles

      George hasn’t always been underrated, he hasn’t always been this good. He’s having a career year.

      this

      Why is Kevin Love still on the Cavs?

      [Signed 4-yr/$120MM extension on Tuesday, July 24, 2018.]

    62. Grocer

      Dennis Smith Jr is a pretty useful defender it appears.

      For what it’s worth, BPM thinks he’s a 0 on defense and a big minus on offense (in Dallas this year). I think that’s mostly rebounds but I don’t think he’s actually a bad defender.

    63. rama got that Fizdale Magic

      I could joke about his age, how he’s all upside from here, etc etc, but congrats to him for continuing to improve enough he looks like he could stick on a roster. Even 12th men in the NBA are really, really good.

    64. Knick fan not in NJ who thinks our rookies will lead us to a lousy lottery pick in 2019

      Jenkins is a guard drafted 23rd in 2012 by the Hawks. He is known for his shooting, particularly three pointers. His career three point average is 0.369. I think he was considered promising for a while, but had some injuries and after three years with Atlanta, he bounced around with short stints on various teams, including Pheonix, Washington and the Westchester Knicks. The Knicks lost more players than they got back in their recent trades and waivers, and now need bodies to meet the roster rules. So now we have Hicks on the big club and I guess the ten day contract is for trying Jenkins out.

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