2019-20 Game Thread: Knicks @ Wizards

This sure seems like the type of game where they win and help lock in the sixth worst record instead of the second, right?

Let’s go? Knicks!

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167 thoughts to “2019-20 Game Thread: Knicks @ Wizards”

  1. I have the impression that Scott Brooks, Duane Casey and even Steve Clifford give us a really hard time the last few years even if their teams are heavily injured or shitty….

  2. In this time of stress, fear and pain we should all take a deep breath and reflect on the fact that Marcus Morris is hooting 28% from three for the Clippers.

    It’s hilariously awesome.

  3. Knew Your Nicks: We should sign him again on summer and trade him again next February for more picks!
    That d be Epic!

    We can sign him and sign THJr for the 3rd time!!

    Morris fading was the most predictable event ever. No way was he ever going to sustain 45% from 3.

    Also, from last thread, the Monty hall problem has nothing to do with picking twice.

  4. Marcus Morris was motivated by nothing other than getting the Knicks to pay him — and oh what motivation it was. Had he gotten the Knicks to pay him, the Knicks would have gotten Clippers Marcus.

  5. We are at that stage where other than Payton and Harkless we probably shouldn’t be playing any of the other vets significant minutes. Both of them are young and cheap enough to consider keeping around, but everyone else is probably out. The rest of the veterans (including Bullock who can be traded) have had plenty of time to make their case for contracts with other teams next year. I don’t think we owe them much more than spot minutes here or there going forward unless there are injuries. It’s time for development and lottery positioning.

  6. So Miller pulled all the starters because they played so badly. Fiz would never have done that. Go Miller.

  7. Thanks for the bump Brian. Worked hard on that joke.

    The indifference of professional sports is a little crazy.

  8. these games should be cancelled or played in empty arenas

    milo – are you being serious?

    if not, good job…you fooled me – not exactly a spectacular or exceedingly difficult feat, but…

  9. Extend Frank quick!

    2 for 2 from downtown – oh yeah…

    Having my baby
    What a lovely way of saying
    What you’re thinking of me.
    I can see it your face is glowing
    I can see it in your eyes.
    I’m happy knowin’ that you’re having my baby.
    You’re the Frank I love and I love what it’s doin’ to you.

  10. It is kind of crazy that in 24 hours we went from 550 to 987 cases, and we’re not testing people unless they feel sick…and there are 16,000 people or whatever watching this game in DC.

  11. Frank Ntilikina has 3 made 3 pointers, 4 assists, and 1 steal through the first quarter, and he came off the bench.

    What is going on?

  12. How did Taj get fooled like that? Why is he leaving his feet from 30 feet away?
    Where is Mitch?

    So many questions…

  13. >these games should be cancelled or played in empty arenas<

    I agree,

    I think empty arenas might be good enough if the economics and logistics of it can work. Perhaps a little less caution might be OK in some states with much less international travel, public transportation etc… but in the major cities it seems like a no brain decision to exercise much greater caution. Even in very low probability situations the downside of extra caution is minimal compared to the cost of a black swan event. And this doesn't even seem like a low probability outcome. We are almost certainly going to get a LOT more cases, unnecessary deaths, and overwhelmed hospitals by being careless.

  14. I am willing to back Clyde on almost any way he uses the English language but calling Portis “incoherent” after a dunk and a 7-9 stretch seems a bit far out there….

  15. For a while, the number of corona virus cases will depend on many test kits are available.

  16. yeah there is plenty we don’t know. but the risk-reward seems insanely obvious. flatten the curve if at all possible. preserve healthcare resources. protect seniors who themselves may not be voluntarily attending mass gatherings but suffer all the consequence risk. maybe it won’t matter. but i can’t even bring myself to watch, and i’m a true addict. in retrospect i don’t think we’ll understand this behavior. it’s just not much to sacrifice.

  17. Trump administration definitely using unadjusted raw box score stats with questionable scorekeeping….

    At least it doesn’t seem to impact kids.

    Frank is blossoming before our eyes I tell you….

  18. The governor of Ohio asked sports teams to play their games in the state in front of friends and family; the Blue Jackets and Columbus Crew basically told him to stick it.

  19. i don’t know, maybe something is missing in me…it seems though the most serious, devastating effect (other than the whole get sick and die thing) this particular virus will have is on lost revenue…

    sending all the folks home whom work at all these sports arenas, ballparks, stadiums…seems it would be about as dangerous statistically as just driving/traveling to the game…maybe think twice about showing up with a toddler or grandparent…

    i probably need to check cnn out some more to get a little more apprehensive about what’s happening…now ebola – that’s some scary shit, literally…if i ever have to bleed out, i’d prefer it not to be in that manner at least…

    i’ll shut up now…

  20. >For a while, the number of corona virus cases will depend on many test kits are available.<

    I'm retired. So I'm already in a kind of self imposed isolation most of the day binge watching "Better Call Saul", trying to play guitar well enough to not cause the neighbor's dog to howl, and looking through horse racing data. But my girlfriend is riding public transportation to the city daily and I'm not happy about it. I'm 61. If I get sick it may not end well.

  21. Yeah. slightly off topic, so I will shut up too. But it seems clearly a choice between giving up some things and some people dying and not giving up some things and having a lot of people dying. But I am definitely not an expert.

    Frank is making me extremely happy lately.

  22. >Frank is making me extremely happy lately.<

    It's starting to feel more likely he's going to figure it out and be a very useful player. We'll have more ups and down, but when he's playing well on offense and also playing good defense, he's kind of dreamy.

  23. The guy from NJ that died today (John Brennan) was a 40 year friend of mine as a trainer in harness racing, He was working for the horseman’s association at Yonkers Raceway. There is a crapload of cases around New Rochelle.

    My advice is to employ the Sir Issac Newton strategy. In 1665-7 during an outbreak of the Bubonic plague he left Cambridge and moved to his family country home and didn’t leave it for 2 years self-isolating while 35% of the population of Europe died.

    He lived another 60 years and while in self isolation did minor work on optics, gravitation and calculus :-)

  24. >The guy from NJ that died today (John Brennan) was a 40 year friend of mine as a trainer in harness racing, He was working for the horseman’s association at Yonkers Raceway. There is a crapload of cases around New Rochelle.<

    I read that story.

    Do they have any idea how he came into contact with it?

    Sad stuff. Condolences.

  25. Guys, I don’t want to play Cassandra but if these are the numbers you better get ready to see the NBA shut down in 10 days at most.

  26. Sorry to hear that Bob.

    NBA shutting down wouldn’t be that surprising, just cause of the travel.

  27. The remaining 12 collective neurons of Knicks’ front office are on the brink of exploding right now. They put decades of work into coming up with the strategy they so eloquently call “play old people up culture good more wins money” and now the younger players are looking more productive than their AARP starters.

  28. Sorry, bob. The scale of this thing hasn’t really sunk in for a lot of people yet, myself included, but that sure helps me understand what we’re up against.

    This really isn’t the draft to be punting away pick position in, but hey who am I to say we should go against tradition?

  29. sorry bob for being so careless with my words…last thing you need to read is some idiot saying things aren’t that bad, particularly when you’ve just lost a friend to that exact situation…

  30. Frank O.:
    It is kind of crazy that in 24 hours we went from 550 to 987 cases, and we’re not testing people unless they feel sick…and there are 16,000 people or whatever watching this game in DC.

    Dude, we’re not testing people who go to the hospital, say they are sick, and just flew back from a country that has an outbreak. I know that for a fact bc that’s what my friend did two weeks ago, and she couldn’t get the test. She’s a responsible and moral adult who is also able to work remotely so she self quarantined herself (and has been sympton free for over a week). But think of all the people who got sick and didn’t do what she did. They’ve been walking around NYC for weeks. The probability of this becoming an unholy shit show is not small.

  31. Julius Randle should not be in the game. The line up should be Frank, Reggie, RJ, Portis, and Mitch.

  32. 24 second shot clock with Mitchell Robinson and Reggie Bullock in the game and the best you can draw up is a post dump down to Bobby Portis.

  33. As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more. But we — we just had a meeting on stimulus, and you’ll be hearing about it soon. But it was a great meeting.

    Well, I don’t think it’s a big deal — to get tested. I would do it. I don’t feel that — any reason. I feel extremely good. I feel very good. But I guess it’s not a big deal to get tested. And it’s something I would do.

    But again, I spoke to the White House doctor — terrific guy, talented guy — he said he sees no reason to do it. There’s no symptoms, no anything.

    I’ve been briefed on every contingency you can possibly imagine. Many contingencies. A lot of positive. Different numbers. All different numbers. Very large numbers. And some small numbers too, by the way.

    Look, right now, I guess we’re at 26 deaths, and if you look at the flu — the flu, for this year — we’re at 8 mil- — we’re looking at 8,000 deaths. And, you know, hundreds of thousands of cases, but we have 8,000 deaths. So you have 8,000 versus 26 deaths, at this time.

    With all of that being said, we’re taking this unbelievably seriously, and I think we’re doing a really good job.

    Well, this was unexpected. This was something that came out of China, and it hit us and many other countries. You look at the numbers; I see the numbers with just by watching you folks. I see it — it’s over 100 different countries. And it hit the world.

    And we’re prepared, and we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.

    We want to protect our shipping industry, our cruise industry, cruise ships. We want to protect our airline industry — very important. But everybody has to be vigilant and has to be careful.

    But be calm. It’s really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen.

  34. The good thing is that “anyone who wants a test can get a test.”

    And we are going to have a payroll tax cut that sunsets on election day.

  35. Heh, and some of yall were worried we were gonna win this game…

    Hey bob, I’m very sorry to hear about your friend. I used to go to Yonkers Raceway all the time as a kid when they used to have the Westchester County Fair there, so it kind of was like “wow” when you told that story. I also used to go to New Rochelle every now and then too.

    I just had a debate with my fiancee about coronavirus: I don’t like to let fear rule my life, and I put a lot of stock into my faith. I’m personally grappling with whether shutting down all schools/colleges is prudent vs being too reactionary and fearful – although it is hard to ignore some of the numbers that are out there.
    The men’s basketball team at the college I work at – ELAC – is going north to play in the State Championships. We just received word the site of the tournament is only allowing players, coaches, trainers and “essential personnel” into the arena. Our conference commissioner is trying to find out by tomorrow if sports information staff (like myself) will be considered “essential”.

    I really want to go – this has been a special season, but beyond that, we’ve had great difficulty at the admin level this year and a State title would go a long way to sticking it to those who have been trying to tear our Athletics Department down. I totally understand measures taken to preserve life… it’s just that it would suck that all of this would happen in the year our team has their best shot to win their first ever state championship (and thus the most visible opportunity to validate the work we do in the department).

  36. I’m seeing that Frank Ntilikina, at 21 years and 226 days old, is the youngest player in Knicks’ history with 20 points and 10 assists in a game?

  37. “As you know, it’s about 600 cases, it’s about 26 deaths, within our country. And had we not acted quickly, that number would have been substantially more. But we — we just had a meeting on stimulus, and you’ll be hearing about it soon. But it was a great meeting.”

    You realize your Orange Overlord was the first one to have the correct instincts here. When he imposed travel restrictions on Feb 2nd your side of the aisle was screaming ethnocentric racist.

    Unfortunately that lying sack of shit Xi Jingpeng obfuscated the real seriousness of the problem in WuHan which began in December and of course the 35 year old “patient zero” came back from visiting family and returned to Washington on Jan 15 and was sick and in isolation by Jan 20th, but by that time he had infected others.

    The Villain here is Xi Jingpeng. The only intelligent thing to do now is close international travel and self isolate til the virus runs its course.

  38. Actually, the starters did it. They played too much iso ball and had too many turnovers. The second unit was better

  39. DRed:
    wait how did we manage to lose this one?

    RJ Barrett was 5-15 and had 5 turnovers. Julius Randle was 5-11 and had 4 turnovers to go along with 6 fouls. Elfrid Payton went 1-6 and had 4 fouls. RJ at least gave us 16 points, 6 rebounds, and 4 steals. Mitch and Frank did everything they could to keep us in it and we came back as soon as Julius sat down with that 6th foul, but it’s hard to overcome how bad at shooting we actually are.

  40. Also, I will be referring to Frank Ntilikina as Frank Gilgeous-Alexander until further notice.

  41. Frank 20 and 10 on 9 shots, 3 for 5 from 3, and +17 in a loss. We can only hope his better handle and new found aggression and confidence translates into more nights like this. If it does, we have ourselves a solid player. This is not he same kid mentally that started this season. Our boy is becomimg a man.

  42. I am really going to be crushed when Frank crashes and burns the rest of the way. Love that kid. However much we are going to overpay him next year is not enough.

  43. Truthfully, I’m not expecting too many more games like this, but if his TS% for the rest of the season stays a little above 50% and he can get his 3p% close to 33% going into next year, I’ll take it because imo he’s clearly a different player mentally and physically now than he was at the start of the season.

  44. The Wizards defense is straight up garbage, but those are unusual numbers for Frank. It’s a good sign he can have a good offensive game against anyone, so I’ll take it, and the much needed L.

  45. Meanwhile Porzingis continues the regression to the mean 2020 tour with a 4-15 performance against the Spurs…

  46. Well, apparently I missed The Frank Ntilikina Game.

    At least until he’s playing against the Knicks one day and scores 38 points.

  47. Even Stevie Wonder could see that Frank’s numbers weren’t reflecting his energized decisive performances.

    Same goes for Randle’s ego-swirling extravaganza but on the opposite. Reading his numbers could persuade you that he’s a keeper but watching his game would not.

  48. Frank Ntilikina is not the same basketball player at all. For instance, he doesn’t turn his back to his defenders anymore, he doesn’t pick up his dribble anymore, he drives into the paint more often, and he’s been taking a few more shots. A lot of his newfound confidence as a player is definitely stemming from his improved handle, and I like the player he’s growing into. Elfrid Payton isn’t a huge hurdle to clear, so if he continues to play decently and stay healthy, I think he gives himself a shot to at least be the 1st guard off the bench next year.

  49. Well, they picked up Frank’s 4th year option and there was no reason not to do so, so he’s gonna be around, he’ll have more chances. Next year should still be a rebuilding year unless they do something really stupid in free agency, but they probably will draft a PG so that makes the position more and more crowded. Payton’s contract is only fully guaranteed for 1 million next season, so he could be good trade bait for a team that wants to clear cap space for whatever reason in the offseason, as the Knicks have to make a decision on the guarantee until the end of June.

  50. You will all be happy to know according to the Johns Hopkins website we now have 1020 diagnosed cases…..

  51. The guy from NJ that died today (John Brennan) was a 40 year friend of mine as a trainer in harness racing, He was working for the horseman’s association at Yonkers Raceway. There is a crapload of cases around New Rochelle.

    I was actually thinking of you when I saw the background of the guy who passed, as I figured that you might have known him. Sorry for the loss of your friend.

  52. I was actually thinking of you when I saw the background of the guy who passed, as I figured that you might have known him. Sorry for the loss of your friend.

    One of our mutual friends goes back and forth to Italy about once a month…. I know he has self quarantined himself. He lives in Kew Gardens

  53. This is where I remind people that Wayne Ellington had more assists than Frank in each of the previous three games. But sure, Frank has definitely turned the corner and this isn’t a fluke.

  54. did some reading and have a little better understanding of the situation…

    seems the danger isn’t so much in the lethality of this particular virus, but, rather the increased contagious nature of the virus itself…

    it spreads really easy…the number of affected people will be high…from what I read the folks most at risk are health care workers…which will lead to a situation of who takes care of the sick folks when the folks whom normally take care of the sick folks are sick themselves…

    sports and business gatherings are one thing, no doubt the biggest petri dishes in existence our in the primary school system…some very tough decisions will need to be made fairly quickly…

    I get it now, it’s a pay now or pay much more later scenario…

  55. I teach Chinese kid English over the internet and all schools and movie theaters have been closed since late January. It seems to have staunched the epidemic.

  56. Hi, I’m Giovanni, from Italy. I bleed blue and orange, and I religiously read the blog every day, I never post anything, because my English isn’t that good and because I really like to read you guys, like feeling you’re some kind of family I never see but I learned to know and love.
    I’m an Italian MD, and I can assure you the ccovid19 situation is really serious, if not tragic. None of us thought it would have gone that bad, that fast. Intensive care unit are really exploding, and soon we will have to decide who can live (most of the worst cases (not only ancient people, it really depends on genetic vulnerability) needs ventilatory assistance) and who dies. A few weeks ago we were arguing about playing or not soccer with empty stadiums, now SERIE A (the closest thing to a cult in Italy) is stopped, at least until the 3 of April.
    The only way to contain the spreading of the disease is literally to stop all unnecessary public activities and to, when possible, self isolate, leaving behind any non necessary activity.
    I’m posting this because I was reading about trump, numbers, etc, and USA is just starting to take the precautions we were taking 2 weeks ago, and weren’t nearly as useful. I think there’s a big risk in drafting because #pointzz, you have to look at evidence based developmental curves!
    Sorry for my English, love to you all! (maybe now I’ll start to post and not only to read, but I really wanted to give you my 2cents about covid)
    Ciao!

  57. DR. Luca’s prescription….. take a couple of hours off and listen to some Puccini (Che Gelida Manina/ Quando M’en Vo/ O Soave Fanciulla) should do the trick…..

    And call me in the morning…….

  58. Had our first earthquake in awhile in upstate. Might be a sign that Dolan’s Razor is going to be in full effect soon.

  59. The thing about Frank’s game last night is that he wasn’t that different in how he played from how he’s been playing recently, Mostly it was just that more shots went in. It’s true, he was a little more aggressive than he has been some nights, but that showed up in the assists. He drove hard enough to the basket some times to be able to get some nice passes to someone right at the basket.

  60. Bidiong, where upstate are you? I felt nothing in the Catskills.

    Thanks for the info, mioz and holy crap. I’m headed to the gym (well, training, only about 8 people) and I’m starting to freak out about it.

  61. Sorry to hear about your friend, Bob. NYC seems like it is going to continue to add restrictions; I’d bet on some Knicks games being played in an empty MSG or at a neutral site.

    Hopefully Frank will continue to be aggressive although even his fans like me have to worry that it will continue to ebb and flow. One good trend is that he’s had 11 games this year (out of 55) in which he’s taken at least 9 shots. Three of them have been in the last five games. This observation is the purest of eye tests and even I’m taking it with that big caveat, but it looked like his groin was better last night. He was moving more freely, far less in the kind of “tight-ass” way he seems to move when it seems to be barking. He and the Knicks have to find him the very best core/groin expert in the offseason and he needs to get to work. This issue needs to be taken entirely off the table.

  62. The smartest teams in the NBA are building themselves around spacing.

    A lack of spacing makes it more difficult to penetrate, make plays, and finish.

    Frank (and our other PGs and inside players) are playing on a team with very poor spacing.

    On top of that, Frank is well known around the league to be passive and not a good shooter.

    What we are seeing now in terms of his improved handle and penetration will probably take another step up if the team is just constructed better next year. It would take anther step up if he comes back next year with a better 3 point shot to go along with his better handle, better FT shooting, and increased confidence and aggression. There’s also no reason his handle can’t continue to improve also.

    Next time he goes 1-7 and 0-4 from 3 with 1 assist or has a bad week, forget that nonsense.

    It’s going to happen a lot more times. Just watch his game and skills. If those are improving, his bottom line will ultimately continue to improve, especially if we build a team that actually makes any sense.

  63. The best Knick lineups — all the data show it — are Frank and floor spacers. Last night was a perfect example. A better constructed team will absolutely help Frank. The current team is incompetently constructed.

    The real reason for optimism about Frank is his shooting form, which is excellent. It’s reflected in his high-80s FT% and there’s no inherent reason it shouldn’t continue to translate to his other shooting percentages.

  64. That earthquake you felt was the Frank hive on Twitter discussing his 20-10 game last night. :-)

  65. E,

    I like looking at lineup data too. There are issues with the small sample sizes, but I think if you use common sense along with basic basketball concepts you can find tidbits of useful information for putting the right players on the court together. Over the last few years some of our better lineups have featured Frank. That’s also why I think Dotson deserves more playing time.

  66. “The real reason for optimism about Frank is his shooting form, which is excellent. It’s reflected in his high-80s FT% and there’s no inherent reason it shouldn’t continue to translate to his other shooting percentages.”

    This (as I spout the “Optimist’s Creed”)

    It is hard to Imagine a guy with a beautiful looking stroke and an excellent FT shooter won’t at some point be a decent shooter from depth at some point.

    My original worry was he bounced the ball like a fing hand grenade but that seems to be greatly improved.

    He’s a superior defender with an excellent BB IQ….he just needs a good sport’s psychologist or a sustained winning streak to get his inner scrotum working…. maybe a good blast of ICSH would work :-)

  67. Anyone notice Cam Reddish has been playing lights out his last 9 games since the ASB…. in before LOL sample size, but a 20 year old is allowed to get better……

  68. Thanks for the great post Mioz and welcome aboard. I had breakfast this weekend with a woman who is in the middle of chemo and that really drove the point home to me. She was terrified.

    I think there is something different about Frank right now. He seems to have just enough burst to get past people in the last couple of games I don’t know if it’s the groin or just a newfound aggression but he is finally beating people off the dribble in a way I haven’t seen him do. He also hit some shots last night he could have missed but whatever.

    I am a Frank stan. He’s not a great player but rooting for him to improve (and for Mitch) is all I get from the Knicks right now.

  69. I noticed the Cam improvement… he could be an important piece for the Hawks if he defies the odds and becomes a solid player. The shooting is, of course, not there, but he’s been looking better than RJ, sadly.

    Re: Frank, he has always had a good stroke, but one thing I’ve noticed in clips is that he seems to have worked on his “floating” problem. By that I mean when he would jump on his jumper, he used to float left or right instead of shooting it straight up and down. That’s often due to a weak core/lower body. I don’t think his shot is 100% fixed, but it looks a lot better now.

    Re: the draft, a lot of smart people are still saying Lamelo and Edwards are still the clear-cut top players despite their below-average numbers. If we get the #1 or 2, do you still go for them?

  70. I BELIEVE IN FRANK.

    Frank has his best game as a pro. Mitch been playing better and more consistent. RJ still struggling with his shooting but not far removed from one of his best games as a pro. Even Knox showing signs of life.

    Dare I say it. Is Mike Miller DEVELOPING our young players?

    We drafted Frank at such a young age. A system player coming over from Europe at his age with the rawest offensive game imaginable. Then injury issues his second season. People writing him off were way too premature. This year he’s had some groin injuries but we are starting to see the confidence as he’s gotten to play consistent minutes over the course of the entire season. The improved handle, the ability to finish, the nice passes….and as always the smart and plus defense.

    Is he still a good pick for the 8th pick? Honestly…maybe? If he’s a solid rotation player on a good team, that seems like a decent outcome.

    I hope the new front office is noticing this and taking notes. Build around RJ and Mitch but maybe hold onto to Frank. We might be able to extend him for a very reasonable price since he’s still pretty inconsistent and hasn’t put up gawdy numbers yet. I just like the way he plays. If the outside shot starts falling, the math on him changes considerably.

  71. You realize your Orange Overlord was the first one to have the correct instincts here. When he imposed travel restrictions on Feb 2nd your side of the aisle was screaming ethnocentric racist.

    Bob I don’t want to harp on you given what you’re going through, but you deserve to have correct information.

    I’m certainly not going to vouch for Xi Jinping’s handling of the situation, but both of my parents work in public health and I cannot tell you how wrong it is to say that Trump has had “the correct instincts” during the crisis.

    He eliminated both positions and specific programs related to pandemic preparedness (seems like a great money-saving idea…until you’re staring down a pandemic), publicly downplayed the threat level which lead to widespread confusion in our incredibly decentralized healthcare system, and almost certainly directed the CDC to reject the well-functioning WHO test and cost us weeks of testing in the process. There are other things too, but I figured I should stick to verifiable facts.

    Everything about this situation is tragic, but the fact that a pandemic can’t seem to break the level of polarization in this country is just heartbreaking. People are going to die because Fox News and the President can’t stop saying we’ve got nothing to worry about.

  72. Re: the draft, a lot of smart people are still saying Lamelo and Edwards are still the clear-cut top players despite their below-average numbers. If we get the #1 or 2, do you still go for them?

    Edwards is a weird, scary prospect. He’s kind of like RJ with a more promising jump shot, but likely less well-rounded game. He’ll basically have to be a pretty good scorer to justify his draft position. He certainly can be, but he’d almost definitely be another frustrating, slow-developing rookie.

    LaMelo seems a little safer to me. He’s got at least one very important skill that’s a mortal lock to translate–his passing.

    I’d prefer Killian Hayes to both of them as of now. I just hope if LaMelo, Hayes, and Haliburton are off the board the Knicks have the guts to go BPA with someone like Okongwu instead of insisting on a point guard…like Cole Anthony.

  73. Frank overfed Taj with basic dishes not seen very often in NY…basic stuff like l’pickenleroyal we onanate on when seen in blue/white/orange, common owe two and then gimme underneath to the lonsome(Elfrid got that in his repetoire also), control yourself(that thing is strong in Frank) and control the pace…sore eyes nice game for Frank. Signs I tell you:))
    The best loss of the season for me.

  74. arrow definitely pointing up on Frank – aggression and ability to get to the cup are clearly better over the last few weeks.

    last 15 games (chose that because that’s the longest “n” game sample NBA stats site has), he’s played in 12 of them due to the groin. 57.3% TS, 13 points, 5.7 assists, 1.6 steals per 36 — not world beating numbers but solidly in the “useful player” category.

    I’ll stop there before djphan blows up at me again =)

  75. I wonder what the league is going to do when it’s obviously a bad idea for people to go to games

  76. Mioz & Farfa stay strong and hang on.
    Corona virus will probably test us all hard physically and psychologically.
    Tanking ain’t an option on this one.

  77. Buongiorno, mioz!

    But be calm. It’s really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen.

  78. last 15 games (chose that because that’s the longest “n” game sample NBA stats site has), he’s played in 12 of them due to the groin. 57.3% TS, 13 points, 5.7 assists, 1.6 steals per 36 — not world beating numbers but solidly in the “useful player” category.

    The problem is the last 20 games his TS% is 48.5% because of a horrendous stretch. LINK. The link also show his stats in 10 game increments; it does appear he’s trending in right direction.

    The depressing part is Rose has not told Miller to give all of the minutes to Frank, Mitch, RJ, Dotson, Knox, DSJ. How hard is that? Every team in the league in Knicks situation does this. And it’s not just this season. Remember when the vets had to go to Hornacek and Phil to tell them to play the youth? What is it about the Knick culture?

    Note: Concerning Knox, Knicks will have to decide whether to pick up his option in October. Shouldn’t his performance in substantial minutes the rest of this season inform that decision?

  79. Hi Mioz- You sound like a friend of mine in Italy, I wonder if you’re him, I’m an MD in NY. Anyways, I don’t know what would actually work. Would quarantining help? Then you just get a 2 week headstart on an R0-insane virus, and unless you have a vaccine in the works (heard you guys and Israel do/already have it?) then what’s the point. I do think countries need to lock down to prevent spread- imagine if a country like Kenya started getting it. Every country should lock down and have a 2 week wait in limbo or all those desperate travelers to get released. Other than that, we need to put down infinite resources into a vaccine, because those 70 year olds are getting killed at over 15% rates (that’s POST-correction for undiagnoses per the CDC)

    I know a 38 year old currently intubated in NY who self-quarantined even though the govt told him he didn’t have to. (heavy smoker, asthma. the good news is that people under 60 with no medical issues do really, really well, but then again, they be spreadin)

    This is bad. I don’t even think Trump did worse than any other president could have (the lockdown was early and good, and derided by CNN, his public and twitter statements were AWFUL, and the COVD kits had horrible qualifying criteria to use – but that’s because we had so few, now we have a lot more, and there are no criteria to get them). I think both sides are using this issue for political gain, and in a time when we have to band together, it’s despicable. The media is by far the worst of the lot.

    Anyways, I see hard medical, social, and economic times ahead for the next 4 months or so, and don’t really see a way out other than a vaccine to magically appear.

  80. Regarding Covid, I watched this credentialed guy on Rogan pod who opened my eyes to just how bad this could get. First, this is not like sars where victims were not contagious until they showed symptoms. Covid’s got about a 4 day incubation period where victim shows no symptoms and is contagious during that time. Second, the main way Covid is spread is through breathing in the virus from the air, not via your hand touching your face. And surgical masks aren’t very effective – need a respirator. Third, warmer weather is not likely to affect the spread of the virus given the history of corona viruses.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw

    My brother-in-law 2 or 3 weeks ago tried to coax me into going to two Knick games (free tickets). At the time, the Swiss had just issued a recommendation for people to not attend large gatherings. I told my brother-in-law that MSG constituted a large gathering and there were a lot of tourists at the games. I think my instincts turned out to be right after listening to the guy on Rogan. This virus is nothing to sneeze at.

  81. I think both sides are using this issue for political gain, and in a time when we have to band together, it’s despicable.

    2018:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/cdc-to-scale-back-work-in-dozens-of-foreign-countries-amid-funding-worries-1516398717

    2019:

    http://thenationshealth.aphapublications.org/content/49/3/1.2

    The budget proposes a near $20 million cut to injury prevention and control, a more than $30 million cut to public health preparedness and response, and a more than $78 million cut to immunization activities, including work to sustain and improve immunization coverage. The budget also zeros out critical funding for epidemiology and laboratory capacity at state and local levels.

    Yes, my dude. Both sides bad. Any president would have done the same.

  82. A woman who lives inside the containment zone in New Rochelle just .2 miles from the synagogue at the center of the Coronavirus cluster just called into
    @BrianLehrer
    .

    Someone in her household is exhibiting flu-like systems, but can’t get a Coronavirus test.

    Katrina levels of fucked, Brownie

  83. To all KBers in Italy, S Korea, and China: Stay strong and, if you’re a clinician – thanks for your service.
    Let’s be smart. We probably can’t prevent massive infection rates in the US but we can help decrease the chances that they mostly happen all at once and overwhelm our hospitals. Stay away from crowds as much as you can.

  84. >>I think there is something different about Frank right now. He seems to have just enough burst to get past people in the last couple of games I don’t know if it’s the groin or just a newfound aggression but he is finally beating people off the dribble in a way I haven’t seen him do.<<

    It's probably mostly handle and aggression, but I think he's also changing speed and direction better.

    I used to worry about his speed and first step a bit more because people kept pointing it out and I could visually see they were right. But after watching Donic kill people every night with his handle and change of speed/direction despite probably being as slow or even slower than Frank, there's clearly more to it than being as fast as peak Rose or Wall. I think he's going to be fine if the improvements keep coming and he gets stronger. At this stage, it doesn't even look like a major issue anymore. It's a matter of how far he can go. It's still his shot that's going to take time. It may never be as good as we'd like, but even even there it doesn't look broken. We can't know, but there are reasons for optimism.

  85. Regarding Covid, I watched this credentialed guy on Rogan pod who opened my eyes to just how bad this could get. First, this is not like sars where victims were not contagious until they showed symptoms. Covid’s got about a 4 day incubation period where victim shows no symptoms and is contagious during that time. Second, the main way Covid is spread is through breathing in the virus from the air, not via your hand touching your face. And surgical masks aren’t very effective – need a respirator.

    Dude, I know people are not logging into KB for COVID info, but it’s just not responsible to spread misinformation here.

    COVID is almost certainly droplet transmission – infected people cough/sneeze particles in liquid droplets. if you are within 6-8 feet you can inhale these in. Or the infected droplets can land on things like tables/doorknobs etc. If you touch those with your hands and then lick your hands, pick your nose, rub your eyes, etc then you can get it that way too, but that’s thought to be less likely. Distant airborne transmission is thought to be extremely unlikely.

    Even though the CDC is recommending N95 respirator masks for now, their own recommendations say that masks are acceptable except in situations where aerosolization is much more likely (certain medical procedures).

    And while patients can be infectious while asymptomatic, viral shedding (how much virus is in their respiratory secretions) is highest at onset of symptoms and the few days after (similar to the flu, not that similar to the original SARS virus which had shedding up to 1-2 weeks after onset of symptoms).

  86. Dare I say it. Is Mike Miller DEVELOPING our young players?

    I think it was Z man who lobbied hard from the jump that Frank would have benefited from an early stint in the G league. Mike Miller just might have turned him into something?

  87. Mioz, thanks for the post. Is that graph saying what I think it’s saying, that Germany Spain and France are only about a week and a half behind Italy on infection rate?

  88. Yes, the rest of Europe is 9-10 behind and a few days more the usa, but usa are really a different animal, so, who knows?
    The problem is basically all about the peak: if it’s too high and too early you can’t have enough high intensive care units for all the people that get sick and need respiratory support. China militarized a 50million people area to contain it, we don’t know how things will go in a “democratic” state.

    I think the same can be said for Frank, him being a raw European system player aged 18 entering in the draft. What I think is that his development got slower than desired because 1 Knicks 2 injuries 3 a very shy and passive demeanor, like often European teenager have (my inner nerdy forever virgin teenager really identifies with him). I think that if you add some kind of time correction because of these two factors (and I think the third one is really progressing because of age curve and American lifestyle) like a 2, you can find yourself with a sophomore that is really starting to grow into himself as a man and as a player. (maybe I just started posting because I was worried about covid, maybe just to share with somebody my irrational frank-love)

  89. I’ve been treating MSG like there’s been a coronavirus outbreak for 8+ years now.

    A Knicks game SHOULD be the safest place to be during a pandemic.

  90. Frank looks way less scared with the ball in his hands. Complete play reel from last night:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PaqWYxH1t8

    He’s now occasionally making decisions in good time instead of, I assume, overthinking things. The stepback at 0:38 looks like an actual NBA player.

    He still can’t get to the rim at will — at 1:35 (freeze the frame to see Bertans’ hips totally squared up with the baseline) he had Bertans committed to the baseline drive but (1) does not use his speed to get to the other side for a reverse layup and (2) consequently dribbles behind his back instead of crossing over to his left to take an easier path to the basket, something that a better slashing guard would have capitalized on. Bertans recovers very well on this play but Frank still put himself in the position for a tougher midrange shot, which he missed. Note too that #24 (Garrison Mathews, lol?) sees that Frank has bailed on the drive and turns to pick his man up in the corner; he knows that he doesn’t need to help out at the rim. It’s a symptom of indecision that we’ve become used to from Frank.

    But I don’t think it’s wrong to be encouraged by the recent stretch. He really does look like a different player.

  91. Just to drive home the point I made earlier, here are some highlights from NIH director Dr. Anthony Fauci’s just delivered congressional testimony:

    >> Dr. Fauci is asked about the president cutting the NSC desk that would have handled coronavirus.

    “We worked well with them. It would be nice if it was still around”<> Dr. Fauci aggressively pushing for upping containment measures. Says he can’t give a realistic number of people that will be exposed because he says it depends on how the government responds. “We can’t be complacent”<> Fauci: “[Coronavirus] is ten times more lethal than the seasonal flu”<<

    As reported by The Daily Beast’s Erin Banco.

    Additionally: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Y2LM?__twitter_impression=true

    The gist: “ The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials.”

    1) This thing is incredibly serious and please, please, please don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

    2) At the risk of sounding insensitive to marginalized communities Trump and his team have terrorized, I’d argue that until now we had gotten by surprisingly decently given that the President has always been stupid and arrogant, and is now cognitively declining on top of that. Well, no more. A real crisis has hit and no amount of angry tweeting or other forms of lashing out can quell it. I’m a Bernie supporter/volunteer/donor, but for the love of god, get this guy the hell out of any position of authority, and then the revolution can come after.

  92. At the bare minimum this administration has been obviously downplaying the risk of this virus for political reasons. They were also slow-reacting to get tests available, they’re limiting the flow of information again for political reasons and they’re gaming the numbers to make the number of cases appear low.

    It’s an epic failure of leadership and it’s not even smart on a political level. All of the happy talk is gonna look real silly a few weeks from now.

  93. But be calm. It’s really working out. And a lot of good things are going to happen.

  94. It’s impossible for me to reach any dependable conclusions without better data, and without going through the news archives for the cultural reaction to H1N1 (*) ten years ago. The reaction to this seems completely different and I can’t conclude that the difference is explainable by the different potency or lethality of the virus itself. It therefore must be something else.

    As for Bernie and his supporters, the stark reality is that the virus and the cultural reaction torpedoed his candidacy. People want safety and security and the known under these kind of conditions which meant a quick Bye Bye Bernie.

    (*) 61M Americans infected, 12,500 or so Americans died.

  95. Yeah, the hottest take right now is that Trump’s incompetence has gone from being our greatest strength to our greatest weakness. It’s dead on.

    I think they cancel attendance at the games by next Sunday.

  96. Dude, I know people are not logging into KB for COVID info, but it’s just not responsible to spread misinformation here.

    I spread disinformation? I summarized what Rogan’s guest said. In contrast, you’re asking us to trust eternal optimist Dr Frank over the guy who has spent his life working in this area, the guy who is advising the White House, the guy who gave a talk to investors from 400 major institutions on Friday. This guy:

    Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology. He is Regents Professor, McKnight Presidential Endowed Chair in Public Health, the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP), Distinguished Teaching Professor in the Division of Environmental Health Sciences, School of Public Health, a professor in the Technological Leadership Institute, College of Science and Engineering, and an adjunct professor in the Medical School, all at the University of Minnesota. Look for his book “Deadliest Enemy: Our War Against Deadly Germs”

    Here are links to specific parts of the video where he talks about what I wrote:

    https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw?t=2593

    https://youtu.be/E3URhJx0NSw?t=1929

  97. It’s fair to say that Frank is slowly improving his handle and decision-making, although it’s premature to conclude that he is on track for being an effective NBA point guard. I would still take the under, but it’s nice to see that he can have a game like this, albeit against one of the worst point guard rotations (and teams) in the league.

    He needs to put up a string of games where he averages something like 17, 4 and 7 with low turnovers, including vs. good teams before I get too excited about his development as a PG. I’ve always said that he is best suited for a primarily off-the-ball role if he can knock down 3’s at a decent rate.

  98. @ James Bron – regardless of what you think my qualifications are (and I am a doctor, by the way), what you posted is not true, or at least goes counter to what the CDC and other public health organizations are saying. That’s not to say that the virus is not a very serious problem, and yes, this whole thing is likely to get worse before it gets better, but it truly is not thought to be an airborne virus.

    Here is the CDC fact sheet: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

    And from the world health organization: https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

    And the European Center for Disease Prevention and control: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/novel-coronavirus-china/questions-answers

    The CDC’s own guidance on healthcare settings: “Based on local and regional situational analysis of PPE supplies, facemasks are an acceptable alternative when the supply chain of respirators cannot meet the demand . During this time, available respirators should be prioritized for procedures that are likely to generate respiratory aerosols, which would pose the highest exposure risk to HCP.”
    (PPE = personal protective equipment, HCP = health care providers)

    And re: H1N1 — doing the math, if ~61MM Americans were infected and ~12000 died, that comes out to a mortality rate of 12000/61000000 = ~0.02% mortality, which is somewhere between 100x and 200x less lethal than COVID-19, so maybe that’s why there was so much less press about it. Plus the media environment is obviously different now, which was maybe your point.

  99. Early predictions for the H1N1 mortality rate were FAR higher than they wound up being. I’ve done a bit of quick googling and numbers like 4% and the like — based on data to date — were being thrown around in April/May 2009.

  100. I’m a bit behind in my TV watching and my Knickerbloggering, so forgive me if this has been discussed, but on Curb Your Enthusiasm last week Larry’s friend killed himself because of disappointment over being a Jets fan “and partly the Knicks too”.

    Needless to say, I thought of y’all while laughing myself silly :)

    (edit: sorry to post this in light of other posts on this thread dealing with actual loss of life during a serious time. Maybe not a great time to relay that joke. If Brian wants to delete it, I understand)

  101. Bidiong, where upstate are you? I felt nothing in the Catskills.

    Thanks for the info, mioz and holy crap. I’m headed to the gym (well, training, only about 8 people) and I’m starting to freak out about it.

    I live next to Saratoga Springs. I say the following in jest: “LOL you think the Catskills are Upstate!” People in Plattsburgh say to me: “LOL you think Saratoga is Upstate!”

  102. z-man, you’re in the school system…forget entertainment gatherings, business environments and travel – is there anything you can share regarding discussions on how the virus may affect our primary school systems?

  103. “Warriors and Nets are going to play without fans.”

    (Back in the 90s, this was a nightly occurrence, btw.)

  104. Thank you Mioz. MDs are required superhero effort right now in Italy (in Lombardy even more than that).

  105. Donnie, before March, 20th the NBA will suspend indefinitely the season. There’s a chance playoffs won’t be played at all.

  106. “Dude, I know people are not logging into KB for COVID info, ”

    Of course i’m logging into KB for COVID info. This is my go to site for most topics, very informative on just about everything

  107. Farfa:
    Thank you Mioz. MDs are required superhero effort right now in Italy (in Lombardy even more than that).

    Thank you farfa, I love to read your articles! I’m in veneto and it’s a little better here for now!

    I really hope the won’t stop the nab, my fantasy team is one of the title favorites this year… (joking, but also not joking)

  108. Of course i’m logging into KB for COVID info. This is my go to site for most topics, very informative on just about everything

    i was thinking the exact same thing…most news sites either give you a pretty map to look at, or just provide basics on hand sanitizing and avoiding social gatherings…some simply politicize the whole thing…

    i’m curious as to how the thing acts and where it’s heading…up until now, for some reason my main focus has been on the economic impact of the virus…at this point and in this situation, that doesn’t really matter as much anymore…

  109. maybe just to share with somebody my irrational frank-love)

    there is nothing irrational about love at all – especially love for our mister frank :)

    it’s interesting to see how certain players (like a tacko fall or a boban) are able to generate so much fan interest despite maybe not being the best player on their team, or, even being in the starting unit…

    whatever that “thing” is, frank’s got it…when watching the games played at msg it’s easy to notice how the garden crowd really pulls for the kid…

  110. geo:
    z-man, you’re in the school system…forget entertainment gatherings, business environments and travel – is there anything you can share regarding discussions on how the virus may affect our primary school systems?

    Only that I’m getting updates every day and so far I have more discretion as a NYC school leader than many of my colleagues elsewhere in the state. For example, our school play is this weekend and we have discretion as to whether to postpone or not. On the other hand, we’ve been mandated to hold parent-teacher conferences “remotely.” Honestly, things have been pretty stable at my school. I did go around to classes individually to reassure students, sensing that the hype was making them anxious.

  111. As for checking in to KB for latest COVID-19 news, and the school question, latest rumor is Seattle’s public schools will close tomorrow. Rumor, but from a good source.

    And on that note, favorite line from Jimmy Fallon last night: “Harvard just announced they’re sending all their students home until further notice, and they’ll take classes online. Now if you meet someone who says they went to Harvard, you can be like, ‘Oh, that online college?’”

  112. On another note, one guy that is catching my attention in the draft is Jahmi’us Ramsey. He seems like a Marcus Smart-type with a better looking offensive game. If we aren’t in the top-3 (only Edwards, Wiseman and LaMelo strike me as top-3 material) I would give him a long, hard look…even in a trade-down situation. At this point, I like him a lot more than Cole Anthony. Thoughts?

  113. We are destined to get Lamelo i’m afraid.
    Not a fan of him or the circus that accompanies him

  114. third decree in 5 days from Italian president: now every commercial and many productive activities will be closed…, it’s a very strange feeling, like I think during the war, let’s see what happens!
    I think also trump is going to speak today!

    I think love is inherently irrational, with guys like frank, boban etc I think that has some kind of innate weirdness, underdog, hard working guy that you can really relate to and hope to also get to something in your life..

  115. I like Ramsey a decent amount but he’s a guy I’d only target with the Clippers’ pick, outside of a trade down situation.

  116. Closed schools for 14 days in Greece.
    99 infected so far. Fortunately No deaths till now.
    The whole country tho is highly alert and hands washing/antibacterial hankies are on fire.

  117. but it truly is not thought to be an airborne virus.

    This may be a semantic issue. Osterholm says the main transmission path is “breathing in air” which is what I wrote. Osterholm and CDC agree that transmission via surface to hand to face is not the main path. Inhaling droplets in air is technically different from an airborne virus.

    I don’t think all those people at Biogen conference contracted the virus by carriers sneezing or coughing into their noses, mouths or eyeballs. Some might have contracted it by a carrier coughing/sneezing standing near them and they then breathed in the air right away. To me, though, most probable is that droplets remain suspended in air for some period of time and people breathe them in; it doesn’t have to happen right away with the carrier standing right next to you.

    This is from a study in 2018 concerning the common flu virus:

    Researchers say it may be possible to spread the virus simply by breathing. Until now, it was thought that people picked up a flu virus when they touched contaminated surfaces or inhaled droplets in the air ejected by an infected person’s coughs or sneezes. But the new study finds coughs and sneezes may not be necessary to saturate the air with flu virus. People with flu generate infectious aerosols [droplets that stay suspended in the air for a long time] even when they are not coughing…. nearly half (48 percent) of the airborne samples captured in the air around flu patients who were just breathing — not coughing or sneezing — contained detectable influenza virus. What’s more, when patients did sneeze, that didn’t seem to add much to the viral count in the samples.

  118. I think love is inherently irrational, with guys like frank, boban etc I think that has some kind of innate weirdness, underdog, hard working guy that you can really relate to and hope to also get to something in your life..

    and this my friends is the true essence of fandom :)

    only one team from whatever league it may be goes home happy at the end of the last game of the season – especially for us lover’s of a perpetual cellar dwelling team like the knicks – gots to find our kicks – however we are able…

    for me that’s in the promise/hope/potential of our young guys – although maybe a little less sympathetic and huggable character, that definitely includes mitch and RJ too…i wanna have those same feeling for kevin, it’s just really hard to do…heck, last year it was really hard for me to root strongly for frank…my affection for him really just started growing this past summer in the world championships…

  119. Frank’s play/improvement is the most exciting/entertaining knicks thing right now for me.
    I don’t give a shit about Wins or Losses.
    Mitch is Mitch.
    RJ has cooled off a bit.
    Knox looks stagnant.
    Miller’s starting unit is makin me suspicious about him.
    So the most thrilling part of the remaining knicks games for me is to watch Frank makin the next step.

  120. The “love” of Frank is perfectly rational. He has a great backstory with his mom escaping Rwandan Civil War and landing in Europe and thriving.

    Frank never says anything negative about anyone does his job to the best of his ability and plays a high IQ style of basketball with an emphasis on defense which used to be respected around here.

    Easy to like/root for….. just please continue to improve on offense……

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/frank-ntilikina-s-family-ties-run-strong-1.16802314

  121. A Juventus player tested positive for it. Now we know it’s serious!

    That’s a joke ;-)

    But i do find it funny how major crises get refracted through sports and celebrity. Like with the Mike Piazza home run or a million other examples.

    Stay safe out there people…

  122. There’s no actual proof that the virus is airborne. Let’s not spread fake-ish news.

    I mean there’s no actual proof of anything at this early stage. Here is what NHS of England states:

    Because it’s a new illness, we do not know exactly how coronavirus spreads from person to person. Similar viruses are spread in cough droplets.

    So everything is conjecture, everything is fake news. We shouldn’t pay attention to the CDC or WHO since nothing is proven. Is that what you’re arguing?

    The CDC states that surface to hand to face is “not thought to be the main way the virus spreads”. Clearly for this to be a “pandemic” like WHO terms it, someone coughing or sneezing into another person’s mouth, nose, or eyeballs is not the main path. That leaves inhaling the droplets in the air (“breathing in air”) as the main transmission which is what Osterholm stated and I wrote. CDC mentioned this as the other method of transmission. How is that “fake or even fake-ish news”? Or how is that “spreading misinformation” like Frank accused me of? That’s consistent with and implied by the CDC statements though they never stated it outright.

    The CDC never talked about whether droplets hang in the air for an unknown period of time in a circumscribed area where the carrier coughed, sneezed or exhaled. It’s true this is where I’m speculating and I indicated as much. It’s just not logical to me that this could be a pandemic unless this were true and the primary transmission mechanism is indeed through the inhalation of droplets and not through surface to hand to face. BTW the NHS has stated that flu droplets could hang in the air for up to 2-3 hours and the flu and common cold are listed as airborne illnesses on many sites.
    .

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