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Friday, November 16, 2018

2018 Draft Comment Thread

Yours truly is actually heading to the draft, with some hastily printed signs. Maybe I’ll get on tv…

Have at it!

467 comments on “2018 Draft Comment Thread

  1. ClashFan

    As I was saying, tonight Mill and Perry either take Kevin Knox at #9 or we find out that they’ve been trolling the entire internet for the past few days…
    :-)

  2. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    I’ll be so happy for anyone not named Knox or Lonnie Walker. For the love of God, Perry, make the right choice!

  3. english_knick

    Wait, the Mavs are holding up a trade to move from 5 to three because they won’t take Bazemore for Wesley Matthews? Seriously?

    I’m on the phone right now to Atlanta offering a handshake agreement: Either we trade them Kanter and whoever they want us to pick at 9, for Doncic and Baze. Or we trade them whoever they want at 9 for 3 and Baze if Kanter opts out.

    If Kanter opts in, we agree to give them, say, 36 and $5m to offset that. So they either get full cap relief from Baze, or the same $ impact as Matthews but an extra pick and case. Hell, and whatever else they want.

  4. ptmilo

    @5 yeah I would snap call that bid if I were Cuban

    Latest says it’s between Miles Bridges vs Knox. I didn’t think I’d be rooting for Miles Bridges but I would much rather take him. I don’t really know if he’ll be good but at least he’s not a shot in the dark. He’s the kind of prospect I tend to love but he has done some pretty good things during actual basketball games.

    In any case let’s all agree that if a miracle hits tonight dtrickey will name his child Luka

  5. thenamestsam

    If I was a Mavs fan and we cheaped out on moving up one slot to draft Doncic at the cost of just $$$$ I would lose my mind.

  6. ClashFan

    What’s with the gauntlet of kids that the green room guys and their parents have to walk past?

  7. Ntilakilla

    Doncic’s mom is smoking. He gets half her chromosomes so it appears that Luka will age well.

  8. Ntilakilla

    Lonnie is a gentleman with the way he helps his mother down the stairs but he looks like Erik Kilmonger.

  9. ClashFan

    @13
    She’s right up there with Luke Kornet’s mom!

    Lol at some of those players not helping their moms (most in heels) walk down those treacherous stairs!

  10. Z-man

    I simply don’t find myself rooting hard for or against anyone at #9. Of course, I’d rather move up, but it’s such a roll of the dice that I just have to have faith.

  11. Ntilakilla

    Lol at some of those players not helping their moms (most in heels) walk down those treacherous stairs!

    That would eliminate them off my list. Sorry Luka.

  12. Z-man

    Adam Silver came to my place of work earlier this year for an event, and it was nice chatting with him. I told him to do something to help the Knicks, we’ve suffered enough!

  13. Ntilakilla

    Bwahahahaha! The NBA Draft being held in the Barklay Center is the closest Nets fans will ever get to a top pick.

    BTW, I am digging Adam Silver’s trolling the fans with his Warriors love.

  14. djphan

    i hope doncic goes to the mavs… we need good players going to the good organizations…

  15. Ntilakilla

    @22

    No we don’t. We need good players like Doncic going to shitty franchises so they can opt out at 24-25 years old and go to the Knicks.

  16. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    The safe bet is Mikal.

    Are Perry and Mills willing to gamble on more potential upside with a younger player that will require more patience (or buy them more time before it’s clear they were wrong)?

  17. JK47

    Ayton is I guess like a better rebounding, more “modern” Amar’e? Seems more like Amar’e than he does Embiid, who they’re comparing him to right now.

  18. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Dallas lands Doncic!

  19. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    I hope that Doncic doesn’t get any positive feedback on that chinstrap. Probably the biggest negative about his game. Not quite UCLA Kevin Love level bad, but pretty close.

    Is there a report as to what ATL gets back?

  20. BigBlueAL

    People here honestly thought there was even a slight chance the Knicks traded up for Doncic??

  21. JK47

    It never gets better for Knicks fans.

    Hey, we’re about to draft a guy who had a really good workout

  22. BigBlueAL

    Atlanta gets a future 1st rd pick from Dallas, thats it from what I’ve read. No players involved in deal.

  23. JK47

    People here honestly thought there was even a slight chance the Knicks traded up for Doncic??

    Not me, I’m the guy who coined the term “Dolan’s Razor”

  24. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    I have to think the Knicks could have made that same deal. #9 is not as good as #5 for sure, but our future 1st rounder might be more valuable than the Mavs and we could have always sweetened it a little more with 2nd rounders or a little less protection if need be.

    Maybe Mavs pick is for next year and not protected??

  25. Early Bird

    Not me, I’m the guy who coined the term “Dolan’s Razor”

    The theorem that leads to the conclusion that even if he were available, the Knicks would still somehow end up with Sexton.

  26. djphan

    the problem was that we weren’t at a slot that guaranteed young for them i imagine…. i would have absolutely came in with a godfather offer tho….

  27. ClashFan

    Why are you guys whining about Dallas getting Doncic? They won less games than the Knicks, so they have developed way less of a winning culture!

  28. thenoblefacehumper

    Welp, a small amount more tanking could’ve landed us Luka.

    I will NEVER forget Courtney Lee, Kyle O’Quinn, and Michael Beasley’s contributions though.

  29. djphan

    so porter could possibly be there… seems like his agent was passing out more medical reports to teams today… he might be dropping…

  30. Bruno Almeida

    I hate Mark Cuban.

    Well, it’s going to be Knox… I’m so not excited about this. Let’s be hopeful he becomes something.

  31. JK47

    I will NEVER forget Courtney Lee, Kyle O’Quinn, and Michael Beasley’s contributions though.

    They can never take December 2017 away from us

  32. chrisk06811

    and the pick of him over spree!!

    I heard that in this Dallas / Atl deal, we actually got Rolando Blackman again? Plus Pat Cummings

  33. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Jaren Jackson’s mom has some Michelle Obama vibes.

  34. djphan

    so if porter goes to the bulls … that leaves carter as a good possibility… one can hope….

  35. JK47

    so if porter goes to the bulls … that leaves carter as a good possibility… one can hope….

    Wendell Carter over Kevin “Good Workout” Knox? Crazy talk!

  36. Owen

    Never thought we would get Doncic. I just think we COULD of had Doncic if we hadn’t done a number of stupid things last year.

  37. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Young could be the best offensive player in the draft, but damn, there are protections on the pick!? I wonder how Atlanta fans will feel in 2024 when Doncic is shortlisted for MVP–

  38. Bruno Almeida

    I just don’t want to hear anymore of that talk about winning 5 more games in a lost season doesn’t matter.

    I guess Knox + winning culture > Doncic right?

  39. 2FOR18, understands math

    Oh new thread. So I once again want to thank Lee, Jack. Beasley and oquinn for those character building November wins.

    Shoot me

  40. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Judging by his voice, I’m pretty sure that Trae Young has personally told me that he’s personally banged my mom via XBox Live.

  41. djphan

    well… porter is going to be there i think…. hm… cavs aren’t gonna take him are they?

  42. Bruno Almeida

    Bamba’s face was like “well, at least if I become a superstar I can continue the Magic’s proud tradition of losing star big men”.

  43. DRed

    I think Atlanta is dumb for not taking Donic, but Trae Young is super skilled. At least they didn’t trade him for Bagley

  44. BigBlueAL

    As usual in every draft wouldv’e been nice if the Knicks drafted a couple of spots higher.

  45. Z-man

    Yeah, but for real, this is pretty much going according to consensus so far. #7? much harder call. Carter Jr.?

  46. Brian Cronin

    Atlanta really should have just taken Doncic. The Dallas pick will probably not even be that good!

  47. d-mar

    Atlanta trying to duplicate Danny Ainge’s trade down heist last year.

    Unfortunately, it’s gonna totally backfire on them when Doncic becomes a star.

  48. BigBlueAL

    At least I still have my Yankees, feel sorry for the Knicks fans who are also Mets fans lol.

  49. JK47

    So one of Porter or Mikal Bridges will be available when we pick. I’d go with either of them over Knox or Sexton.

  50. Brian Cronin

    Does Cleveland go for Porter Jr?

    Woj says that the recent medical reports were baaaad.

  51. djphan

    oh man porter is there…. cavs taking sexton….

    i’m onboard with it… let’s go! just no knox please!

  52. JK47

    Okay, so we have the choices of Michael Porter, Mikal Bridges, or something dumb.

    If you want the high-variance, high-risk pick, go with Porter.
    If you want the low-risk, high-floor pick, go with Bridges.
    If you have your head up your ass, pick Knox.

  53. Bruno Almeida

    @102

    His father is wearing the same thing… I dunno, he’s Dominican, maybe it’s something from there?

  54. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Cavs taking Sexton.

  55. d-mar

    Porter would be a massive dice roll, but maybe that’s kind of what we need at this point.

  56. Brian Cronin

    I read Porter’s got a degenerative condition which is why he dropped.

    His agents say that it is not that bad, but yeah, sure sounds awful.

  57. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    I read Porter’s got a degenerative condition which is why he dropped.

    Can we can get an immediate medical exception with the draft ?

  58. JK47

    Well, if Porter’s medical reports are that bad, then yeah it should be a hard pass. Can’t afford to come up with a complete zero here.

    Go with Mikal. He’ll be a decent rotation player.

  59. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Man, that shot of Carter’s parents was awesome.

  60. chrisk06811

    it’s not one drink Owen. we are going to have to get fucked up, just to survive.

  61. JK47

    Hey, we forgot about Lonnie Walker! There’s always a Knicksier scenario than the Knicksy one you have already envisioned

    #DolansRazor

  62. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Knicks Knox!

  63. ess-dog

    My girlfriend has a degenerative disc, but she’s in her 30s. I don’t think it will affect MPJ until late in his career unless he starts playing football too.

  64. JK47

    This pick eats ass.
    This franchise eats ass.
    The only thing good about them is this site, which I can use to ridicule them mercilessly.

    We suck forever.
    Love you guys though.

  65. d-mar

    I’m pissed at Knox, but really, who the fuck knows how good any of these guys are gonna be? There will probably be 3 or 4 busts picked ahead of us.

  66. Zanzibar

    Given what I’ve heard about his defense, I don’t think “Fort” Knox will be his nickname.

  67. Brian Cronin

    The Knicks are all about picking hard nosed defenders. Wait, my eyes hurt from straining.

  68. JK47

    “At least it wasn’t Lonnie Walker” is this year’s version of “At least Phil didn’t trade any first round picks”

  69. Brian Cronin

    It’s so funny how Mills and Perry constantly say one thing and do another, and then we still get, “You got to like what they are saying.”

  70. chrisk06811

    we’ve been strugging on this site for years, and it turns out is all we need is that asshole to do a thumbs down and everything is OK

  71. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

    I was on the other thread wondering where everyone was, begging to pick Porter… Damn.

  72. Brian Cronin

    Seriously, though, Knox at least has a lot of natural talent. Sometimes shitty college guys with a lot of athleticism put it all together. Let’s hope that this is one of those times.

  73. ClashFan

    The Knicks could’ve picked LiAngelo Ball there and this announce crew would still laud the pick.

  74. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    Porter Jr has to have a back issue like DeJuan Blair if this is really happening.

    Kevin Knox to the Knicks? I’m okay with it.

  75. Zanzibar

    I hope Dr Colker’s got something strong in his “toolbox” because KP’s gonna have to rebound.

  76. ptmilo

    so depressing that we went through year number 5 of being horrible including KP ACL and we end up with Kevin Knox

  77. chrisk06811

    the we want porter chant is motivation. that’s good. what’s he going to do when they chant, we want lance thomas??

  78. ess-dog

    Ah well, so much for that. I guess it could’ve been worse, it could’ve been Lonnie.

  79. chrisk06811

    i might become a sixers fan. at least i can punch a police horse, or climb a light pole

  80. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    I just heard that it was Clarence Gaines that convinced management that Knox was one of the steals of draft. (That’s my story and I’m sticking with it)

  81. Bruno Almeida

    Fuck this shit. Another lost fucking year to draft the 15th guy projected to be drafted at 9th. If Porter is indeed healthy this will hurt even more.

    Damn I hope I’m totally wrong but I hate this so much. What a stupid damn franchise.

  82. swiftandabundant

    Hey Knickerblogger…yes, we get it. You’re not going to be happy with Knox. But please stop the “LOLKnicks” at least till he plays half a season. Time to get behind him. He’s 18 years old and has the physical tools to be a great player. He comes from the best college program in the country as far as recruiting top tier talent goes. And again…he’s 18 years old. We want upside. We want swinging for the fences. And we supposedly trust the scouts in our organization. So if all of that is true, then please give this kid a chance.

  83. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    I really can’t say I hate the Kevin Knox selection. I think he’s got all the tools and that he was in a unique position playing for a coach as shitty as John Calipari. It feels like Kevin Knox was the unanimous selection in the organization, and I think the Knicks with Fizdale are going to give him the time and space to develop into a productive pro.

  84. ClashFan

    @177
    In all seriousness, good point.

    I’ll root for Knox. And as I said a few days ago, this might mean that these guys actually plan to do a patient 3-5 year rebuild. Frank and Knox are very young! But Knox has a LONG way to go to be good at “everything” like he thinks he is.

    Now, let’s continue by dumping the vets and playing all the kids. No more Beasley, etc. etc.

  85. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    Mikal Bridges went to the perfect situation for him and I bet he’s still a bag of meh. He is not a lockdown defender and his jumper is funny, plus Philly’s medical staff is gonna break his arm and he’ll never be the same again.

  86. Max

    @177 @181

    Thanks…it’s refreshing to finally read some smart words in an ocean of silliness…

  87. djphan

    barnes… jeff green… julius randle… trey lyles… those are the optimistic outcomes…

  88. thenamestsam

    Like everyone else not a fan of the pick but I do think there’s enough uncertainty that we have a good chance of being wrong. We picked probably the 15th best prospect instead of the 9th best but ultimately that’s not that big of a gap at this point in the draft. That’s what I’ll keep telling myself anyway.

  89. billybaggs

    I’m sorry boy’s but this is a good pick…Mikal may have been a safer choice but Porter Jr’s back scares me and considering the remaining options we really had no other choice

  90. thenoblefacehumper

    Hey Knickerblogger…yes, we get it. You’re not going to be happy with Knox. But please stop the “LOLKnicks” at least till he plays half a season. Time to get behind him. He’s 18 years old and has the physical tools to be a great player. He comes from the best college program in the country as far as recruiting top tier talent goes. And again…he’s 18 years old. We want upside. We want swinging for the fences. And we supposedly trust the scouts in our organization. So if all of that is true, then please give this kid a chance.

    I should probably go ahead and apologize for my tone in advance, but…

    Do you understand the concept of a decision being fucking terrible at the time it was made based on all of the available information?

    I know, I know. The Knicks front office has the secret information that actually makes this pick, and all of their other god awful moves, genius. That’s why we’ve been a powerhouse forever—the unbridled wisdom of our decision makers.

  91. chrisk06811

    Swift, the only good thing I can say about Knox is he took my mind off of how much I hate Emanual Mudiay.

  92. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats

    Wait..did we REALLY pass up Porter for Knox? Must be some serious red flags with his medical records. Either that or we have really gone all in with a pure rebuild. It’s gonna take Knox longer to develop than Porter. Or maybe the team sees more defense with Knox with enough potential on offense to make the pick worth it. I don’t hate the pick, but I was pretty sure Porter would be the pick once he fell that far.

  93. Zanzibar

    So it turns out that if had the #8 pick it wouldn’t have mattered, but if 7th pick maybe we take WCJ.

  94. GoNyGoNyGo

    I have purposely been quiet, just reading, for several months. I would have gone for Mikal Bridges or taken a risk with Porter. It’s obvious that very few here like this pick. I’ll wait and see but .

  95. Z-man

    I mean, I just don’t get it. It’s overwhelming. It’s like two year in a row we have to put our hopes into a guy who has nothing going for him but wingspan and youth. I ask you…does any other NBA team pick Knox in that spot?

  96. BigBlueAL

    Saw someone say that apparently Knox destroyed Mikal Bridges in a group workout witnessed by the Knicks.

  97. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

    it’s not one drink Owen. we are going to have to get fucked up, just to survive.

    Co-sign.

  98. JK47

    This team isn’t gonna do shit until Mills and Perry aren’t running it anymore.

    Enjoy the lulz tho

  99. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Knox was not my 1st choice. But he’s one of the youngest players in the draft. You can’t know how much upside there is with a player this young or when he will put it all together and jump up. He may be making a jump right now. The Knicks are not the only team to suggest he looked great in recent workouts. The one thing the Knicks have been good at is drafting. Before we all get depressed, let’s give the kid a chance. We have no choice but to put our faith in the hands of scouts that have done a very good job in recent years. Maybe they got this one right too. We’ll see more in summer league.

  100. Jack Bauer

    Yeah I’ll tell all my Laker fanboy friends that “at least the Knicks didn’t pick Lonnie Walker”

    You cannot make this shit up. The Curse of James Dolan is a Real Thing, I’m quite certain of it now.

  101. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Saw someone say that apparently Knox destroyed Mikal Bridges in a group workout witnessed by the Knicks.

    I believe it was Miles, but it could have been both.

    I don’t know how much weight to put on something like that, but if we drafted Mikal or Miles and then heard that Knox crushed them in workouts, it wouldn’t make me more confident. It means something.

  102. djphan

    there’s going to be a trail of starters picked right after knox… and i hope this means perry gets fired within two years….

    this doesn’t bode well for the rebuild….. i have zero confidence in them being able to evaluate talent…

  103. JK47

    At least KP won’t be around next year to help us win meaningless games in November.

    But he’ll probably come back too soon and help us win meaningless games in March, playing like Nowitzki and Kareem’s love child for his usual 15 games

  104. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

    Well, maybe we hit a home run on our 2nd rounder…

    And then we’ll trade him for a couple future second round picks….

  105. GianaDani

    I’ll root it the kid cause he’s wearing the orange & blue but Perry is not the answer.

  106. thenamestsam

    “Give the kid a chance” doesn’t really mean anything given that none of us, no matter how positive or negative has the slightest bearing on the trajectory of his career. Discussing the merits of the pick is the only thing that makes sense. If you’re not interested in having any discussions about it until you’ve seen him play 6 months or a year in the NBA, this probably isn’t the thread for you.

  107. swiftandabundant

    @ 196 – dude, its not secret information. Its pretty wide spread that Knox was killing ALL of his workouts and he supposedly killed Miles Bridges in one on one at hte Knicks workout. I’ve read all the arguments against workouts as being an indicator but also, isn’t that what scouts are for? If it was as easy as just picking the players with the best stats, then everyone would do it. The real goal of drafting, if you aren’t picking number one when there’s a consensus top two or three, is to find that pick that others are overlooking bc you believe that player has potential that others don’t see. Otherwise, why even have scouts or even the draft?

    And all I’m saying is that he’s 18, has the tools to be a monster, and went to the top school in the country as far as recruiting goes. UK consistently gets the top talent in the country. And yes, I’m a UK fan but you know what…coach Cal is a great recruiter and kind of a crap coach. Plus Knox played out of position AND again..HE IS ONE OF THE YOUNGEST PLAYERS IN THE DRAFT.

    So yeah, go ahead and call me a homer or whatever…but you can’t talk about how good our scouts are and then turn around and say “LOLKNICKS THEY FUCKED THIS UP.” And if Knox does turn out good are you really going to say “but the available evidence at the time…” The job of scouts and GM is to find the UNAVAILABLE EVIDENCE!

    Knicks are rebuilding. Knicks need a home run to make up for not having a lot of picks recently. Knicks aren’t competing this year and probably not the next one either. Would I feel safer with Bridges? Of course. But I also like the idea of taking a gamble. No risk, no reward.

    And you were all wrong about Tatum so what do you know? :)

  108. Bruno Almeida

    What annoys me is that it seems nobody would have picked Knox in the same position, just the Knicks. This is not a good sign. Even Jay Bilas had him as 15th…

  109. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    But he’ll probably come back too soon and help us win meaningless games in March, playing like Nowitzki and Kareem’s love child for his usual 15 games

    You just made me laugh so hard beer came out of my nose. :-)

  110. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Guys, guys, guys: it’s not fair to judge a player until he’s been cut or traded by multiple teams, done a stint in a weak foreign league, and played for the Westchester Knicks, which may be a better organization than their parent company.

    This guy is young. No reason to look at his body of work and call him a total reach at #9 when there were several excellent prospects on the board. Sure, his stats sucked. But as we all know, box score stats are meaningless. His birth certificate tells you all you need to know about his upside.

  111. Owen

    I can’t wait for the years to come of swiftandabundant rubbing this in our faces as Knox turns into a perennial all star and franchise cornerstone….

  112. swiftandabundant

    KP was a stupid pick at the time. We had more available evidence on Winslow, etc…but we picked KP bc of his physical tools and the potential they showed. His euro stats were not that impressive either.

    Also, this whole thing about “but there has never been a freshman with his stats who has succeeded in the NBA” ignores one thing. There was a period when there were players like Lebro, KG, Kobe, etc…who did not even go to college but straight to the pros. None of those players (the good ones or the busts) are taken into consideration bc there are no stats from their college days to look at. Would Kobe have put up good numbers as a freshman? Or Lebron? Maybe but maybe not. So when you say “oh no one with Knox’s stats has succeeded) you’re ignoring close to a decade’s worth of players who went straight to the pros.

  113. Brian Cronin

    I was totally fine with Tatum last year, by the way. So I’m sick of that shit. “You all hated Tatum.” We did not. LP was also okay with him.

  114. Ambrosenyk

    It’s funny watching people try and spin the Knox pick as a good thing. Knicks continue to do the dumbest thing imaginable.

  115. DRed

    We should challenge teams to skip the games and send their champions to challenge Kevin Knox in one on one workouts.

  116. Z-man

    Rumor has it we’re trading our 2nd rounder and next year’s unprotected #1 for the draft rights to Lonnie Walker…

  117. ClashFan

    Well, I guess those reports about Porter missing his big workout day with back spasms may have been true. Back spasms so bad he couldn’t get out of bed!

  118. TheOakmanCometh

    Guys you all need to get behind Ron Baker as a future superstar. I know he’s never averaged more than like 4ppg, but that’s outweighed by the blind faith I have in him. Past performance means nothing! Trust in management!

  119. Brian Cronin

    KP was a stupid pick at the time. We had more available evidence on Winslow, etc…but we picked KP bc of his physical tools and the potential they showed. His euro stats were not that impressive either.

    KP was the consensus fourth pick. You can’t just make up some bullshit narrative after the fact.

  120. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and one of the Bridges are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Give the kid a chance” doesn’t really mean anything given that none of us, no matter how positive or negative has the slightest bearing on the trajectory of his career.

    It’s my view that the ultimate results are random enough that these discussions get overly passionate and confident. It’s almost a mortal lock there will be busts selected above us and all stars selected below us that none of us has any clue about right now. There’s a reason we selected him over the Bridges and other players with better current stats. I can assure you Fisdale knows what the stats say even if Mills and Perry don’t. From what I gather, Fisdale likes him a LOT. Is it so much to ask that we wait to see what these guys saw in him before we write him off as a guaranteed mistake. Fisdale IS a SMART guy and we do have good scouts.

  121. kevin5318

    I was totally fine with Tatum last year, by the way. So I’m sick of that shit. “You all hated Tatum.” We did not. LP was also okay with him.

    True. I think most people were comparing him to a shittier version of Melo.

  122. DRed

    Yeah, I went back and looked at a consensus of the major draft sites before the Porzingis draft and he was the 4th ranked prospect. I would have taken Winslow, but lots of people wanted Porzingis.

  123. rama, king of superfluous poppycock

    one more beer. then i’m going to go measure my wing span

    Lol

  124. TheOakmanCometh

    The one actual advantage of Knox is that he’s so raw that he will really help the tank next year. Mikal would have contributed wins.

  125. Z-man

    This guy is young. No reason to look at his body of work and call him a total reach at #9 when there were several excellent prospects on the board. Sure, his stats sucked. But as we all know, box score stats are meaningless. His birth certificate tells you all you need to know about his upside.

    Hey, stop talking about Frank Ntilikina that way!!

  126. BigBlueAL

    Well Knicks still have a pretty high 2nd rd pick, hopefully they grab a decent player there.

  127. Brian Cronin

    True. I think most people were comparing him to a shittier version of Melo.

    The biggest thing was that he was clearly never falling out of the top five, so the Knicks never had a shot at him. If he was in their range, I assure you that people here would have talked themselves into him easily.

  128. dtrickey

    So-so about Knox. Would have liked Porter, but that medical must have been real bad for him to drop so far. I think I had just resigned myself to a Bridges, but willing to get behind the kid.

    Seems like a big backflip when Mills and Perry were preaching defence and then take Knox. My only hope is he plays well enough to make the goons they interviewed in the crowd look like total arseholes ha ha

  129. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    I’m not bullish on Ntilikina. The only thing I can say is that there’s no way his offense gets any worse than it was last year.

    Porter looks like a guy who will either make an All-NBA team or play 40 games before medical retirement, but no middle ground at all. Jokic might have just had his career saved with the #14 pick.

  130. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Draft Isaac Bonga for insurance when Kevin Knox goes boom

  131. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    Jokic and Porter Jr will be the worst defensive front court in the history of the NBA. They might be HoF in the front court, but they’ll give up 120 a night.

  132. Z-man

    I’m not bullish on Ntilikina. The only thing I can say is that there’s no way his offense gets any worse than it was last year.

    My post was actually a shot at those who are criticizing the Knox pick now but loved the Frank pick last year when, in my opinion, they are exactly the same. And I mean exactly.

  133. DRed

    For the draft I basically focus on guys who people think might be available when the Knicks pick and I legit don’t think I’ve ever heard of Jerome Robinson.

  134. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    I’d like to see the Knicks double down on Anfernee Simons in the 2nd round.

  135. JK47

    So yeah, go ahead and call me a homer or whatever…but you can’t talk about how good our scouts are and then turn around and say “LOLKNICKS THEY FUCKED THIS UP.”

    I don’t recall talking about how good our scouts are.

    The narrative that says “The Knicks are good at the draft doe” seems, uh, kind of wrong? This team has made one good pick in what, like 10 years? In the last ten drafts we’ve selected Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Jerian Grant, Dameyan Dotson, Ongjen Jaramaz, Kristaps Porzingis, Willy Hernangomez, Cleanthony Early, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Tim Hardaway, Kostas Papanikolau, Iman Shumpert, Andy Rautins, Landry Fields and Jordan Hill. That’s ten seasons worth of draft picks right there.

    The Knicks are “good at the draft” because why? Because I see Kristaps Porzingis, Tim Hardaway Jr and a bunch of guys who pretty much suck. I guess Ntilikina might make it and maybe Hernangomez plays well for somebody else. But that list does not make me go “wow, look at all the good players the Knicks drafted.”

  136. chrisk06811

    it would be funny if Chauncey’s player comparisons had to do with guys you would amnesty

  137. ethsurken

    Knox is young, has a good frame, and is a good/smooth athlete for a 4. Otherwise, he has literally no above-average NBA skills. He’s not a good shooter, finisher, passer, or defender, although his stroke looks good. The hope is that he’s a decent/good shooter and plays as a stretch 4 next to KP.

  138. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Knicks Film School
    ?

    @KnickFilmSchool
    2m2 minutes ago
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    The Knicks went ALL in on that group workout. I do worry a little bit about how much weight you place on one workout.

    That said, this front office has proven they do their homework, so I hope the workout was more the icing on the cake.

  139. kevin5318

    @257 TBF most of those guys were second rounders and non lottery picks.

    Going back further when we drafted solid guys like Ariza, Lee,Chandler, Gallo and Frye.

  140. BigBlueAL

    Perry and Mills probably based their entire opinion on those workouts and never once looked at any analytical profiles of the prospects.

  141. djphan

    oh look a guy who’s just as young as knox but had a way better year ….

    and they already had beal and porter…. crazy that the wiz are thinking more open minded than the knicks now…

  142. JK47

    So far Perry and Mills’ main moves have been:

    Melo trade (good job, I guess!)
    Hardaway signing (fuck you!)
    Ron Baker player option contract (eat a dick!)
    Willy Hernangomez trade (make that a sharp, pointy dick!)
    Emmanuel Mudiay trade (seriously, go fuck yourself!)
    Kevin Knox pick (okay, now you’re just trolling me!)

    These guys are buffoons, so it’s no surprise they went “all-in” on Kevin Knox’s apparently God-like workout. Their track record is… well, it’s Knicksy.

  143. Ben R

    I didn’t like the Ntilikina pick because it had too much bust potential, but I could imagine him being good and it working out. I thought it was a long shot but it wasn’t a complete disaster.

    I cannot imagine a world in which Knox is a good NBA player. I wouldn’t have drafted him in the 1st round at all. Knox’s steal and block numbers are similar to McDermott’s, and at least McDermott was a dominant offensive player.

  144. BigBlueAL

    76ers trading Bridges to Phoenix for Zhaire Smith and the Heat’s 2021 1st rd pick.

  145. bidiong

    Yeah, we’re probably stuck with another incompetent front office. We really won’t know the results for about two more years though.

  146. JK47

    Going back further when we drafted solid guys like Ariza, Lee,Chandler, Gallo and Frye.

    Okay, but that is OVER TEN YEARS AGO. Why are we giving this front office credit for being good at finding guys in the draft ten years ago?

  147. Ben R

    Everyone needs to stop with the Knox is a good athlete thing. He can jump high but it’s like he’s moving in mud. No quickness.

  148. kevin5318

    @ShamsCharania
    Sources: Suns have traded Zhaire Smith and 2021 Miami first-rounder to 76ers for Mikal Bridges.

  149. djphan

    oh wow… mikal bridges to the suns for zhaire smith and the sixers get the 2021 miami pick….

  150. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    My post was actually a shot at those who are criticizing the Knox pick now but loved the Frank pick last year when, in my opinion, they are exactly the same. And I mean exactly.

    I’m still fine with the Frank pick given where it was made in the draft. Knox was not my first choice, but I get it. It’s not that age is the only factor, but it DEFINITELY IS a factor in probable improvement. The gap in stats between Mikal Bridges and Knox is clear, but the age difference is very significant. It’s not crazy to think in 2-3 years Knox is going to be better than Bridges is now and ultimately have the better career. It’s probably better than 50-50. It could happen sooner than that.

  151. BigBlueAL

    Well Knox is definitely a better athlete than I am at least. Granted I’m 38 yo listed at 5’11 205 lb.

  152. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    So far Perry and Mills’ main moves have been:

    Melo trade (good job, I guess!)
    Hardaway signing (fuck you!)
    Ron Baker player option contract (eat a dick!)
    Willy Hernangomez trade (make that a sharp, pointy dick!)
    Emmanuel Mudiay trade (seriously, go fuck yourself!)
    Kevin Knox pick (okay, now you’re just trolling me!)

    These guys are buffoons, so it’s no surprise they went “all-in” on Kevin Knox’s apparently God-like workout. Their track record is… well, it’s Knicksy.

    Bring back Phil!

    I think Knox would be pretty good in the triangle.

    (you left out Burke. that was a pretty good move)

  153. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats

    ***JINX ALERT***

    Ah well..at least we didn’t pick Walker….

  154. kevin5318

    Okay, but that is OVER TEN YEARS AGO. Why are we giving this front office credit for being good at finding guys in the draft ten years ago?

    I don’t trust this FO much at all. Just saying our scouts have historically done pretty well considering our lack of lottery picks over the years.

  155. Ntilakilla

    So does Dallas picking Doncic tell us that they have no confidence in Dennis Smith Jr as their future PG? Because I would love to see how they’re going to share the ball between the both of them.

  156. Z-man

    Ben R,
    McDermott was a 22.5 yo senior at Creighton, while Knox hasn’t even turned 19 yet. There was absolutely no information from Ntilikina’s stint with Strasbourg that suggested that he was anything but a hope and pray project with long arms. His stats in France sucked and he didn’t even come in for a workout.

    Knox may indeed have bust potential, but not any more than Ntilikina did.

  157. Totes McGoats as Totes McGoats

    …or it could be worse..we could have pulled a Philly lol smh…

  158. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    @IanBegley
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    Knicks president Steve Mills said the club debated its pick in the days and weeks leading up to the draft but grew comfortable with selecting Kevin Knox at No. 9 on Wednesday night.

  159. Ntilakilla

    The French League >>>> the NCAA. I know its convenient to repeat a false equivalency but let’s at least be careful if we’re going to use this draft to shit on last year’s draft. And even then Ntilikina’s metrics held up well in a league where he was by far the youngest player.

  160. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    @NYPost_Berman
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    Steve Mills said his workout showed Knox had improved from end of season and was impressed he agreed to group one. (Mikal was solo). “We had a lot of healthy debates the last couple of days. By last night we had figured out exactly what we wanted to do.’’

  161. Ntilakilla

    Knicks president Steve Mills said the club debated its pick in the days and weeks leading up to the draft but grew comfortable with selecting Kevin Knox at No. 9 on Wednesday night.

    I really hope Clarence Gaines wasn’t on the side that argued against the pick.

  162. chrisk06811

    Drafting Ron Baker = eat a dick? IDK. I’d kinda rather watch Ron Baker run around and chase people.

  163. hoolahoop

    Porter would have been much better drama.
    We’re used to the knicks losing.
    And if turns out okay, ka-ching.

  164. hoolahoop

    Knox was obviously picked by the MSG market dept. Imagine all the possibilities (knox-knicks).

  165. Owen

    Lonnie Walker would talk with Larranaga about “why jaguars can capture ostriches.”

    I may not know much about drafting but I am pretty sure a jaguar has never caught an ostrich.

  166. JK47

    Drafting Ron Baker = eat a dick?

    No, giving Ron Baker a player option contract = eat a dick

  167. Ntilakilla

    Anyways, I am going to give Knox a chance. He reminds me of a Malik Monk tweener type who can shoot but can’t do much else but I will root for him to show me wrong.

  168. ptmilo

    is it too complex an idea that people might think a pick is a really bad idea but hope to be wrong? should there be 300 posts saying “there goes another dot on the high variance distribution, good luck to him!”

  169. alsep73

    I think it’s a bad pick but hope I’m wrong.

    Meanwhile, the SPURS took Lonnie Walker, which makes me think we should have just taken him.

  170. DRed

    It’s not crazy to think that Knox might be a better player than Bridges, it’s crazy to expect he will be. Just trade down if you want to take a shot on a 19 year old with medicore stats.

  171. JK47

    Frank was an iffy pick but at least he can defend. He was advertised as a plus defender, and he played like it.

    Now, that might not make him worthy of the #9 pick, but I didn’t mind the pick, because I’m so sick and tired of watching horrendous defensive Knick teams. Frank ain’t no point guard though… I’ll be amazed if he is ever a successful lead guard in the NBA.

  172. Z-man

    The French League >>>> the NCAA. I know its convenient to repeat a false equivalency but let’s at least be careful if we’re going to use this draft to shit on last year’s draft. And even then Ntilikina’s metrics held up well in a league where he was by far the youngest player.

    Typical sugarcoated BS from you. But tell you what, let’s see if Knox is as bad as a rookie as Frank was. He’d have to be a limbo expert to slide under that bar. Then you can stick your false equivalency where it belongs.

  173. ess-dog

    I have to say, just by “eye test”, Lonnie looks pretty springy and like a fine, young man. Maybe our guys do know something.

  174. ptmilo

    now I’m rooting for Melton to fall to 36. I have silly drama of him being the new Alvin Robertson.

  175. Z-man

    And that idiot in SA’s front office just wasted a pick on consensus KB bust candidate, Lonnie Walker. Wonder what stats they used to pick him…

  176. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Zhaire Smith is a perfect fit for the Sixers. Let Simmons and Embiid carry the offense and put an efficient, low-volume, athletic wing to set screens, make cuts and run the floor. The guy will never be an NBA PG but man, he’s going to get a lot of dunks from Simmons.

  177. DRed

    I stopped watching the draft after the second after the commish said Kevin Knox. Should have turned it off once they showed that fucking kid who boos again.

  178. ClashFan

    Please forgive me, but isn’t there a bit of a difference between picking a guy at, say 18 than there is at picking him at 9? Just asking.

    For example, I think Knox would be a fine pick at 18…

  179. kevin5318

    And that idiot in SA’s front office just wasted a pick on consensus KB bust candidate, Lonnie Walker. Wonder what stats they used to pick him…

    Lol true. I don’t like the Knox pick but if the Spurs chose this guy then I’m willing to give him a chance.

  180. ptmilo

    That 2021 Miami pick Phoenix gave up for Bridges is unprotected. To me this is a damn shame. Who knows what Miami will be in 2021 but right now it doesn’t look too promising. And that might end up being the first draft without one and done so it might have a double class. If we didn’t want Bridges that was our trade to make.

  181. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    is it too complex an idea that people might think a pick is a really bad idea but hope to be wrong? should there be 300 posts saying “there goes another dot on the high variance distribution, good luck to him!”

    There’s nothing with thinking it was a bad idea. I don’t particularly like the selection. However, there is something wrong with assuming that stats in a snapshot in time for a 18 year old that played on a top team against elite competition should give you a lot of confidence in your opinion when he was selected 9th (as opposed to the top 5).

    I mean what were the other serious options at #9?

    Mikal Bridges was my top choice, but he’s 3 years older.

    Miles Bridges?

    Porter and his back?

    Does anyone think it’s a mortal lock that in 3 years Knox won’t be better than Bridges is now?

    I’d say it probably close to or better than 50-50 Knox is better at 21 than Bridges will be as a 21 year old rookie.

  182. Owen

    That 2021 Miami pick Phoenix gave up for Bridges is unprotected. To me this is a damn shame. Who knows what Miami will be in 2021 but right now it doesn’t look too promising. And that might end up being the first draft without one and done so it might have a double class. If we didn’t want Bridges that was our trade to make.

    +1

  183. Kevin Udwary

    Has anyone pointed out yet how similar Knox’s college numbers are eerily similar to THJ? Maybe we should send him to Atlanta to learn how to play defense…

  184. Bruno Almeida

    @311

    And the Sixers still ended up with Zhaire Smith who is probably at least the same level of prospect Knox is… Knox himself might have been available at that position.

    Why can’t our front office make one single move we as a collective think “oh that’s smart”?

    I can’t understand why the Suns would do it for Bridges unless they think Josh Jackson can be a 4, which I don’t think is a great idea honestly.

  185. JK47

    Has anyone pointed out yet how similar Knox’s college numbers are eerily similar to THJ?

    He’s basically a taller THJ, I have thought that already. Pointzz guy who doesn’t stuff a boxscore.

  186. Bruno Almeida

    @306

    Are you confident the Spurs would draft Lonnie Walker in the 9th? I’m definitely not.

    I would be overjoyed with Knox at the 17th pick.

  187. Ntilakilla

    Typical sugarcoated BS from you. But tell you what, let’s see if Knox is as bad as a rookie as Frank was. He’d have to be a limbo expert to slide under that bar. Then you can stick your false equivalency where it belongs.

    I have zero idea why you’re such a belligerent, angry man. Regardless, its clear you don’t really have much substance to add to the issue about Frank beyond picking fights, and even when someone pokes holes into your shallow comparison you have little to add beyond prevaricating on the issue with a childish insult. You started as a discussion about why some people were low on Frank vs. Knox only to move the goalposts to a future comparison of their rookie seasons. I suppose this will be the closest you’ll ever come to conceding the ridiculousness of the original comparison you made. Either way, unlike you I’ll be more than happy to be proven wrong about my projection…though I doubt it.

  188. djphan

    walker at 9 is vastly different than walker at 18….

    in terms of upside and the available names that were left you can afford to roll the dice and hope that your development team can help him realize his potential….

    i don’t think it was a great pick…. but if there’s any team can turn it into a good pick it’s the spurs…

  189. Brian Cronin

    I am not liking these new Woj tweets where he gives himself room to be wrong if the team goes a different direction at the last minute.

  190. Zanzibar

    The guys at Draft Express liked Knox, Walker, Williams and Huerter. Now that Spurs have taken Walker my confidence in Knox is a bit higher.

  191. Z-man

    Please forgive me, but isn’t there a bit of a difference between picking a guy at, say 18 than there is at picking him at 9? Just asking.

    For example, I think Knox would be a fine pick at 18…

    I essentially agree, but at the end of the day, you either got it right or got it wrong. You feel worse if you got it wrong at #9 than #18 but if you get it right, it doesn’t matter much. Bottom line is that Knox was not projected to go outside the lottery in any recent evaluation. We may have reached 3-4 pick for him, but none of the guys taken in that range were surely better choices, just safer ones. It’s an upside pick on one of the youngest players in the draft with reasonably good size, skill and athleticism for his projected position. Either he’ll develop or he won’t. I wouldn’t have picked him, but no one else really jumped off the page, except maybe Walker, another upside pick.

  192. Early Bird

    Knicks Drafting Criteria in order:
    1. Are they young?
    2. Are they long?
    .
    .
    .
    ??. Are they good at basketball?

  193. thenoblefacehumper

    It’s pretty trollsy to suggest that a smart team picking Walker at 18 means he would’ve been a good pick at 9.

  194. ptmilo

    Brian those tweets are mean to be a wink/middle finger to the NBA request not to tweet picks in advance

  195. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Is Dzanan Musa dropping to the 2nd round? We should really pick him up if so

  196. ClashFan

    As someone said earlier, the Knicks could have a great draft pick next year.

    Kanter, Knox, Timmy, and Mudiay could be the makings of a real bad defense. Heavy tank time.

  197. kevin5318

    It’s prett trollsy to suggest that a smart team picking Walker at 18 means he would’ve been a good pick at 9.

    I don’t think anyone is suggesting that. The Spurs choosing a guy who isn’t efficient, has poor shot selection and doesn’t do much else but score is a pretty baffling pick.

  198. kevin5318

    Kanter, Knox, Timmy, and Mudiay could be the makings of a real bad defense. Heavy tank time.

    Knicks playing the long con

  199. Frank

    Man there are a lot of nice players left. freaking warriors and Celtics are going to get some really good picks.

    Wonder if there’s any chance deanthony Melton or Melvin Frazier last for us— that would be pretty awesome.

  200. djphan

    there’s a lot of good names left…. second rd should have decent names available… but we are gonna ignore all of them for the guys who was in knox’s workout….

  201. GianaDani

    Who here still thinks that Perry & Mills are architects who are capable of building a contender by outfoxing other GMs around the league?

    Is it too early to ask for Colangelo?

  202. 2FOR18, understands math

    Look you can’t have enough no rebounding wings who can’t pass. It is known

  203. Zanzibar

    Michael Porter Jr. says he’ll be the best draft pick in Nuggets’ history after he drops to the 14th pick.

    Does this seem the best way to kick off a relationship with your new teammate Jokic?

  204. Brian Cronin

    Brian those tweets are mean to be a wink/middle finger to the NBA request not to tweet picks in advance

    Ha! My apologies, Woj! I love you!

  205. Ntilakilla

    Does this seem the best way to kick off a relationship with your new teammate Jokic?

    I can’t wait for Melo to chime in with his usual insecure tweet about how crazy Porter is to think he’s a better draft pick.

  206. Z-man

    I have zero idea why you’re such a belligerent, angry man. Regardless, its clear you don’t really have much substance to add to the issue about Frank beyond picking fights, and even when someone pokes holes into your shallow comparison you have little to add beyond prevaricating on the issue with a childish insult. You started as a discussion about why some people were low on Frank vs. Knox only to move the goalposts to a future comparison of their rookie seasons. I suppose this will be the closest you’ll ever come to conceding the ridiculousness of the original comparison you made. Either way, unlike you I’ll be more than happy to be proven wrong about my projection…though I doubt it.

    First off, I didn’t insult you, just your reasoning. Second, if you choose to live in a world where the Frank pick made more sense than Knox based on statistical evidence, go ahead. Funny how the article you cite confirms that Frank’s turnover% was higher than his assist% and even at a low usage where he was cherrypicking shots, he only had a ts% of 51%. But oh yeah, it’s the French league so we should inflate those shitty numbers and cast him as our future savior at PG.

    But that’s your MO: never criticize or accept any criticism of your golden boy and KB namesake.

    I’ll stand by my contention that there is absolutely no difference in the logic behind these two picks: Damn the stats! Youth, length and upside ahead!

  207. thenoblefacehumper

    So had we taken Mikal, we could’ve had Zhaire Smith, who would’ve been a fine pick at #9 anyway and is actually a high-risk/high-reward prospect as opposed to Knox who is a high-risk/low-reward prospect, and an UNPROTECTED 2021 first from Miami who will probably be bad soon.

    You just gotta love it!

  208. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    I hate the Knicks honestly. So many choices could’ve been made during this season and leading up to the draft that could’ve led to decent outcomes and yet we opt for the single worst possible option every. Single. Time. Boston just got a far superior prospect with the 27th pick! The 27th pick!

  209. Frank

    There really are some interesting names left. 9 picks left. I’d be super happy with:

    Frazier
    Okobo
    Melton
    Jacob Evans
    KBD
    Mitchell robinson
    Khyri Thomas
    Bruce Brown
    Justin Jackson

  210. djphan

    top names left after the first rd:

    musa
    frazier
    melton
    vanderbilt
    okogie

    musa and frazier could be real contributors…. and i had both ahead of knox…. so some potential to salvage something….

    vanderbilt has some potential also….

  211. Ntilakilla

    @345

    First off, I didn’t insult you, just your reasoning. Second, if you choose to live in a world where the Frank pick made more sense than Knox based on statistical evidence, go ahead. Funny how the article you cite confirms that Frank’s turnover% was higher than his assist% and even at a low usage where he was cherrypicking shots, he only had a ts% of 51%. But oh yeah, it’s the French league so we should inflate those shitty numbers and cast him as a future NBA PG.

    LOL. For one thing, there’s no reason for you to insult anything. Reasonable people can disagree about player evaluations without childish name-calling, but it’s apparent you fall into the other category. For another, it is YOU who is the one choosing what world he wishes to live in by moving moving the goalposts. Remember when you made this ridiculous statement earlier in the thread?

    There was absolutely no information from Ntilikina’s stint with Strasbourg that suggested that he was anything but a hope and pray project with long arms.

    Well, knowing better I posted the metrics which disproved this simplistic generalization. If you want to now pick apart his numbers as an 18 year in the French League with grown men, go ahead. No one is arguing that Frank wasn’t a project or was a perfect player. We all knew he was and remains a project, but we also knew he had done some good things playing in a man’s league.

    So, again, you miss the point. If I were a cynic I’d guess you were just making ridiculous points to pick fights over and doubling down with facile strawman arguments to settle scores. But someone would have to be awfully intellectually dishonest and very petty to do this so I will give you benefit of the doubt and just chalk it up to you getting carried away.

  212. MJG1789

    Hate to use the eye test, but I just watched several videos showing Knox playing actual basketball and…this is a kid with potential to do what, exactly? Watching him out there reminds me of a 37-year old Chuck Person. If his stats suggested sneaky-good like Kyle Anderson you might say, OK – but seeing him play, I got nothing…

  213. Clyde's suit

    I’m really looking forward to summer league and keeping my fingers crossed that Knox shows some promise. I really want this kid to work out for us. We need some hope around here. All this gnashing of teeth is wearisome…

  214. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    We really should buy a pick in the middle/end of the second and go for Vanderbilt/Pinson if they’re available

  215. Aten

    Bad shot selection. Doesn’t play defense. Can’t rebound his position but that’s fine because he doesn’t have one. This is so stupid.

  216. thenoblefacehumper

    So the 55 win Celtics got a better player at pick 27 than the 29 win Knicks did at pick 9.

    This is honestly so demoralizing. I don’t know how much longer I can emotionally invest in this shit. Every new Knicks’ front office makes you long for the one that preceded it. We’re not the only dumb team out there, far from it, but it seems like all of the other ones luck into a good team every once in a while. We have no chance at catching Philly or Boston within the next eight seasons or so and those are just teams in our own division. I’m more sad than angry at this point.

    #GleyberGood

  217. Hubert

    It seems to me that after Carter went at 7 there was little distinction between the 8th pick and the 30th pick. Boston and and Golden State are coming away from this draft with prospects that seems as likely to succeed as ours. Knox may well have been the best pick at 9. The problem was picking 9 in the first place. Two wins made this a complete waste of a season.

  218. Ntilakilla

    I love the Kevin Knox pick for the Knicks. Great fit next to Kristaps Porzingis. Knicks fans will be cheering, not booing, once they actually watch him play in MSG.— Kevin O'Connor (@KevinOConnorNBA) June 22, 2018

    Kevin O’Connor loved the pick….does that count for anything here?

  219. MSA

    Musa to the Nets

    Another good move. IMO they are going to be a good team sooner than us despite all the damage Billy King made.

  220. djphan

    they are going to be better than us next year… and this might have been the last year we don’t finish last in the atlantic for a long time….

  221. Frank

    So who do people want for our 2nd round pick?

    C’mon Melton, Melvin Frazier, Elie Okobo, Mitchell Robinson, Keita Bates-Diop.

  222. Zanzibar

    USC freshman guard De’Anthony Melton is the NCAA’s only player to average at least 5.0 assists, 8.0 rebounds, 2.5 steals and 1.5 blocks per 40 minutes.

    He ‘s the anti-Knox, hope he’s available at 36.

  223. Ntilakilla

    What bothers me about this organization placing emphasis on individual workouts to the point that Knox shot up from a mid round to a top 10 pick on their board is that it tells us nothing about how a player fits into the team game. Those individual workouts are about looking for nuances and details that supplement the actual production. He could have cooked Mikal Bridges 1 on 1. Does that mean he will contribute more to our team in a 5 on 5 game? This is the same level of thinking that makes us overestimate Micheal Beasley and Emmanuel Mudiay.

  224. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Because Knox was a horrible horrible horrible choice. Everyone who does draft analytics on Twitter is currently dragging us

  225. Frank

    FWIW Knox was a 3-on-3 workout. Definitely better than a 1-0 workout but agree that putting such emphasis on workouts seems…not that smart.

    That said – the way Givony talked about Knox is worth noting — he said there are some guys who are ok on tape but when you see them outside their particular team setting in a workout, their talent becomes so obvious and that of course the player is going to go higher than previously expected. He really compared Knox’s workout to Paul George if I remember correctly.

  226. Z-man

    @356 so are you trying to say that you’re NOT a shill for Ntilikina? Sean Hannity isn’t as far up Trump’s behind as you are up Frank’s!

    Hey, that’s a great new name for you: Ntil’s Shill

  227. Frank

    Begley saying the Knicks like Jalen Brunson. Not sure how I feel about that. I’d much rather draft a wing, or at least someone whose ceiling isn’t good backup PG.

  228. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Jevon Carter to Memphis.

    Melton and Bonga still available. Not a huge fan of Brunson.

  229. Zanzibar

    What bothers me about this organization placing emphasis on individual workouts to the point that Knox shot up from a mid round to a top 10 pick on their board is that it tells us nothing about how a player fits into the team game.

    It was the group workout that they relied on. Hahn says Fiz was “giddy” after that workout. Mills says that Knox was a different player from the Kentucky Knox. I give front office some credit for doing a group workout. I’d like to watch some video of this now legendary workout; it might make me and whole lot of other people feel better.

  230. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    The first Summer League game can’t come around fast enough. I’m very interested in the Ntilikina/Dotson/Knox/2nd rounder line ups.

  231. Frank

    Dudes – one of Melton or Frazier will be there for us. Cmon Mills/Perry – do the right thing!

  232. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    This Knox workout shit is the off-season equivalent of LTs invaluable leadership in practices

  233. Frank

    Wow – I saw a lot of Melvin Frazier going teens and early 20s in the mocks. Wonder what he did. Elite athlete, improving shooter, 2.5 steals/40, great measurables.

  234. djphan

    omg.. .i thought it was a 5on5 workout…. we based this lotto selection on the opinion of a guy who saw him for a grand total of two hours in a 3 on 3 workout….

    that’s a process….

  235. Grocer

    Maybe they read that 538 projection yesterday that had Knox as 7th best (8th cause no Doncic). And the DX guys were high on him? I dunno. I don’t love it but both Bridges seem like roleplayers and we need more than that. I wish we’d traded down, everyone left at 9 could have been picked 12 or 13 or wherever, they’re all close your eyes and hope.

  236. Frank

    Dude Mitchell Robinson is seriously talented. I’d rather have Melton but Robinson is legit. Not sure about his head though.

  237. DRed

    Lol. Certainly can’t complain about his college production.

    Eh, I guess you can roll the dice in the second.

  238. thenoblefacehumper

    Lol I actually love that pick. Hopefully we get something good with the two seconds we trade for him in the future.

    Edit: I would’ve preferred Melton, but the scouting reports and (admittedly limited) numbers on Robinson are really good.

  239. Ntilakilla

    @356 so are you trying to say that you’re NOT a shill for Ntilikina? Sean Hannity isn’t as far up Trump’s behind as you are up Frank’s!

    How can I put this in diplomatic terms?

    Okay…

    I am saying that your comparison between Knox and Ntilikina is piss poor and hyperbolic regardless of whether Frank flames out and Knox becomes Kevin Durant.

  240. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, Robinson has talent. He’s also a bit of a crapshoot, but eh, it’s #36. I hope this doesn’t impact Kornet’s bright future with this team.

  241. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    I just wanted Deanthony Melton why can’t I get an optimal move once every 20 years or something

    Robinson is good but uh isn’t KP supposed to be playing the 5

  242. djphan

    i don’t have an opinion on robinson…. i kinda wanted vanderbilt or melton but they weren’t huge values…. and robinson is so much of an unknown it could be a reasonable gamble….

    i did really like frazier…. but i doubt we even knew who he was…

  243. Frank

    Sam Vecenie (who really follows high school and college players) said that as a high school senior he basically played Deandre Ayton to a standstill or maybe even got the better of him. He loves Mitchell Robinson.

    SI has as his comp = Tyson Chandler.

    Now let’s buy a pick and get Deanthony Melton.

  244. Ntilakilla

    @374 and 377

    Boy, I hope Knox had the greatest 3 on 3 workout of all time then. Though I dunno if Fizdale being giddy makes me feel better about Knox or worse about Fizdale.

  245. Brian Cronin

    Robinson is good but uh isn’t KP supposed to be playing the 5

    Hey, if you get a back-up center at #36, then that’s fine, right?

  246. ptmilo

    I can’t complain about this pick just bc I was irrationally in love with Melton. Robinson seems like a totally legit flyer for round 2. It is so odd he didn’t go to the combine.

  247. Brian Cronin

    Boy, I hope Knox had the greatest 3 on 3 workout of all time then. Though I dunno if Fizdale being giddy makes me feel better about Knox or worse about Fizdale.

    Seriously. I have no idea how Fizdale, who has not even coached here yet, has somehow become this authority worth appealing to. “Oh, Fizdale likes him? Then he must be good!”

  248. ClashFan

    Well, at least there’s a theme to this year’s draft: guys with questionable motors.

    Really, fine to take a shot on Robinson, though, in the 2nd round. I’d say he’ll spend quite a bit of time in the G League.

    Now, buy a late 2nd to replace the one given away in the Mudiay trade?

  249. Frank

    I just wanted Deanthony Melton why can’t I get an optimal move once every 20 years or something

    Robinson is good but uh isn’t KP supposed to be playing the 5

    Copy on the Melton thing.

    Re: Robinson — I hated the idea of spending #9 on a center. #36 as a flyer on a very highly ranked HS player? I’m good with that.

    Clearly the FO made the philosophical decision this draft that they were going to take a high risk high reward strategy. We’ll see how it works out.

  250. Brian Cronin

    I can’t complain about this pick just bc I was irrationally in love with Melton. Robinson seems like a totally legit flyer for round 2. It is so odd he didn’t go to the combine.

    I believe he was hurt during the combine.

  251. BigBlueAL

    The more I read about Robinson the more I like the pick, kid apparently during his AAU games was the best shotblocker and rebounder in his draft class and shot 70% on his 2pters.

  252. ptmilo

    Brian I didn’t know that. This tweet from Givony is the only thing I remember:

    Mitchell Robinson has withdrawn from all NBA Combine activities, including his team interviews this afternoon, the league informed NBA executives. Unclear if he has a promise, or if he is simply preferring to avoid conducting interviews and a medical examination

  253. Ntilakilla

    Seriously. I have no idea how Fizdale, who has not even coached here yet, has somehow become this authority worth appealing to. “Oh, Fizdale likes him? Then he must be good!”

    My only hope is that Fizdale saw specific skill sets and traits that he can use in whatever offense he’s trying to run with this team down the road. But this means that the pick falls on his head.

  254. Zanzibar

    Pelton notes that his rankings are different from how the actual draft will turn out, but this order is still odd and way off from everything else we’ve seen this draft season.

    Here’s what the top 10 of this projection looks like:

    1. Luka Doncic

    2. Deandre Ayton

    3. Trae Young

    4. Jaren Jackson Jr.

    5. Michael Porter Jr.

    6. Mikal Bridges

    7. Mohamed Bamba

    8. Dzanan Musa

    9. Mitchell Robinson

    10. Miles Bridges

  255. Z-man

    I am saying that your comparison between Knox and Ntilikina is piss poor and hyperbolic regardless of whether Frank flames out and Knox becomes Kevin Durant.

    Piss poor and hyperbolic, as Ntilikina’s PG play and your continual fawning over him, respectively?

  256. Cock Jowles, #1 Purveyor of Wanton Chuckery

    Kevin Knox’s highlight reel is just him taking a bunch of floaters. Literally every play is a floater. Even his jump shot looks like a floater.

    I mean, I don’t really care what it looks like if it works, but… really?

  257. Brian Cronin

    Brian I didn’t know that.

    Woj tweeted earlier tonight, “A sprained left ankle has limited 7-footer Mitchell Robinson to only jump shooting in recent workouts, sources tell ESPN. He will be back to full strength soon. He’s the 28th-rated prospect in the ESPN Top 100.”

  258. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Seriously. I have no idea how Fizdale, who has not even coached here yet, has somehow become this authority worth appealing to. “Oh, Fizdale likes him? Then he must be good!”

    He has an excellent reputation around the league based on his experience in Miami under Riley and Spoelstra. Elite players and both those guys speak very highly of him. That’s partly why most of us were fine with him being selected as the coach. So unless you’ve changed your mind, when he says he really likes a player and that he will fit perfectly into what the team wants do you are giving him the same benefit of the doubt we are giving him as coach. Right now, unlike Mills, Fisdale is innocent until proven guilty.

  259. Hubert

    I’m disappointed with the pick, too. I’m just struggling to find a player selected behind us who I feel “damn, how did we pass on him”. I like both Bridges, Mikal in particular. But I don’t feel like that was a no brainer.

    We really needed someone to take Porter in the top 7.

    Whatever. Knicks gonna Knick. At least we should have a top 3 pick next year.

  260. djphan

    coaches are really bad at evaluating players…. that is why they make horrible gm’s….

  261. ess-dog

    Huge value pick with Robinson, unlike Knox.

    But heck, 9 was a tough slot this year, especially with the Porter news. They really could’ve done worse. I’m rooting for these guys.

    Oh, Nets take Diallo, who was projected to go top 10 last year.

  262. ptmilo

    A weird fact about Robinson is that in addition to having a Whiteside profile he also has a really nice looking three point shot.

  263. Stratomatic "Porzingis, Ntilikina, and Knox are going to lead us to the promised land"

    Pelton had Knox at #23 and Robinson at #9 in his projection.

    So on a bet basis we did well even though we got it backwards. :-)

  264. TheOakmanCometh

    Assume Robinson starts the season in the G League. If the Knicks stink by January as expected and Robinson is showing something, I’d like to see them bu y out Kanter and call up Robinson.

  265. Ntilakilla

    Piss poor and hyperbolic, as Ntilikina’s PG play and your continual fawning over him, respectively?

    LOL. I love how you need to gradually personalize this issue with every post you write to the point that you’re just sniping with no actual point anymore. Its very revealing that what started off as you fallaciously comparing negative fan reactions here about this draft to positive fan reactions during the last has now become about my supposed continual fawning over Ntilikina.

    Are you finished embarrassing yourself here with this pettiness? Or do you need a time out here?

  266. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    The rich get richer ofc

    Can we please buy a pick and not use it on an actual NBA players worse brother like we did last time

  267. thenoblefacehumper

    Bates-Diop, Jevon Carter, and Gary Clark all have some intrigue if we were to buy a pick.

  268. Zanzibar

    I think Fiz will be excellent in motivating and teaching our young players. That may be more important than X’s and O’s at this stage. Knox is kinda Mudiayesque in his personality and parts of his game (e.g, not finishing strong). We gonna fix you Knox.

  269. Bruno Almeida

    I actually really like the Robinson pick, seems like a super fair gamble for a guy who might have a sky high ceiling.

    Made the bad taste in the mouth go away for a while at least

  270. Grocer

    I’m just struggling to find a player selected behind us who I feel “damn, how did we pass on him”

    Same.

  271. thenoblefacehumper

    I’m just struggling to find a player selected behind us who I feel “damn, how did we pass on him”

    How about Zhaire Smith and Miami’s unprotected 2021 first?

  272. Z-man

    …about my supposed continual fawning over Ntilikina.

    There is nothing supposed about it, Ntilashilla

  273. Ntilakilla

    I dunno what the asking price for moving up into Doncic/Momba territory was but my feeling is that gambling on the fact that we could get one and not giving up lots of draft/talent capital seemed to be the smarter home run swing than gambling on Knox at #9 based on what was reported in the news.

  274. Ntilakilla

    There is nothing supposed about it, Ntilashilla

    LOL the only person you’re embarrassing at this point here is yourself.

  275. Brian Cronin

    He has an excellent reputation around the league based on his experience in Miami under Riley and Spoelstra. Elite players and both those guys speak very highly of him. That’s partly why most of us were fine with him being selected as the coach. So unless you’ve changed your mind, when he says he really likes a player and that he will fit perfectly into what the team wants do you are giving him the same benefit of the doubt we are giving him as coach. Right now, unlike Mills, Fisdale is innocent until proven guilty.

    As noted, he has a good reputation as a coach, not as a general manager, so “Fizdale likes him!” really carries no extra weight. What, Fizdale isn’t going to like the guy that they drafted with the #9 pick?

  276. Hubert

    How about Zhaire Smith and Miami’s unprotected 2021 first?

    Yeah ok that’s definitely better than Knox, I agree

  277. thenoblefacehumper

    Man if Gary Clark goes undrafted we better be on the phone with his agent before the broadcast ends

  278. djphan

    man that is right… mikal bridges was worth zhaire smith and the miami 2021….

    i didn’t think it was possible to feel worse….

  279. Silky Johnson, Fleet Admiral of the Tank Armada

    Time to get Gary Clark and Theo Pinson on the phone for training camp/two-way

  280. thenoblefacehumper

    We got Allonzo Trier. Meh. Some scoring intrigue but nothing else. Likely doesn’t have the athleticism to stick.

    Pinson, Clark, and Bonzie Colson seem like the best UDFAs.

  281. kevin5318

    @ShamsCharania
    Sources: Undrafted Arizona forward Allonzo Trier has agreed to a two-way contract with the New York Knicks.

  282. thenoblefacehumper

    I think the main takeaway from the playoffs was the future of the NBA is having 12 Tim Hardaway Jrs.

  283. thenoblefacehumper

    Knox and Trier seem like prime candidates to get paid a lot more than they’re worth, with second round standout Mitchell Robinson being used as part of a package to acquire DeMar DeRozan.

  284. BigBlueAL

    Trier in 3 years at Arizona (78 games) had a TS% of 63% on 24% Usage rate. That’s incredible efficiency for a guard, granted he didn’t do much of anything else which seems to be a theme with recent Knick acquisitions.

    Seems to me like Robinson is by far the most intriguing player the Knicks acquired tonight, the kid apparently is an incredible rebounder and shot blocker.

  285. Knick fan not in NJ at this time

    I don’t like the Knox pick. My preference is for two way players, and he’s not that. But I relistened to the Dunc’d On podcast discussing him and I can see why some would like him. So I am not as down on the pick as I was. This is 6’10” guy who was the best shooter on the team that had good bigs so they played him at the two. He can do alley oops, has a nice floater, and good three point shooting percentages. He can post up a little. I think he has the potential to be a monster offensively. You need a really good defender to stop someone who can do all that stuff. And he’s only 18. The work out apparently convinced the Knicks that he had already improved since college. So I am really curious to see his scoring in Summer league. We could be very pleasantly surprised. That said, he apparently has a lot to learn about team play. Whether he learns that depends on his character and smarts and we have no information on that. But the Knicks might have that sort of information. If so I hope it was good and that was a factor in selecting him.

  286. nicos

    I am actually kind of excited about summer league- rolling out Frank, Dotson, Knox, and Robinson. Add Kornet, Hicks and maybe Williams? It’ll probably be the only winning basketball the Knicks play all season.

  287. djphan

    well a disappointing day… but the team with the worst day wasn’t the knicks… it was phoenix(esp after that bridges deal)… the kings …. and the hawks for passing up on doncic…. dallas is setup real well over the long haul….

    next year’s draft might be the worst draft in over 10 years…. it’s probably rj barrett are bust…. dan gafford and hopefully a few others separate themselves but it’s very very thin otherwise so i wouldn’t count on much help…

  288. JK47

    Well, now we know for sure, without question, that this front office is run by a bunch of half-wits, and that this particular FO is never going to win jack shit. So it’s safe to kind of tune out for a while, at least in terms of expecting a winning team. Injured KP/Frank/Kevin Knox is just a really tepid, mediocre core of young guys.

    There’s really not a lot of point to speculating what moves would be best right now. I mean, I’d love to move THJ, take on a bad contract to acquire assets blah blah blah but at the end of the day it’s the same gormless chucklefucks making the decisions. It’s not like they’re going to take genius pills and somehow figure all of this out.

    It’d be fun to watch a competitive team for once but it just doesn’t seem to be in the cards. This whole last season and draft was one giant cut of Dolan’s Razor. There’s still more offseason to go so I’m sure the Razor will slice us again. We’re bad. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Won’t get fooled again.

  289. mase

    Everyone is complaining about the pick and ready to spit fire at FO; that’s so easy to do!
    Who was the clear cut better pick?
    Porter!?! I don’t think so.

    Or are we upset they didn’t trade up and get doncic while mortgaging every asset for the future ?
    On this blog everyone seemed to have a different player in mind at 9, and when we couldn’t agree we decided to agree not to like KNOX!

    I say give the kid a chance cuz he is just a kid, A big kid with a jumper!

  290. Nick C.

    “We are happy to be adding two players who address our most immediate goal of becoming more athletic,” Isiah Thomas said. “Tim Thomas is a young, versatile small forward who suits our style of play very well, and Nazr Mohammed is a strong front-court player who will help us with rebounding and interior defense. Although we had to part with two quality players and individuals, we felt this trade makes us better now and in the future.”

    fast forward what is it 10 years, 15 years.

    “We were set,” Mills said at the team’s training facility. He called Knox a “perfect fit for how we want to play.”
    “He fits what we’re going to be about,” Knicks GM Scott Perry said. “He’s long, he’s athletic, he can play multiple positions, we think he has tremendous upside. He’s coming from a program in Kentucky that’s produced a lot of great pros.

    “We thought Kevin was an excellent fit for what we’re trying to get done here.”

    Sigh

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