Woah, I thought this was a 7:30 PM game time!
Okay, so the Knicks try to rebound from a bad loss to Miami by showing that they can beat some of the feisty back-of-the-standings Eastern Conference teams, which there are suddenly a lot of.
Let’s go Knicks!
It’s like the Magic never watched the Knicks play defense all season.
EDITED TO ADD: As I wrote that, Payton drove to the basket for a hoop. My bad. Never mind, keep doing what you were doing, Orlando!
Nice to have two rim defenders.
I should have been at this game…stupid work :(
Ugly offense from the Knicks
Melo’s out. Maybe we’ll get better ball distribution.
I don’t understand why we don’t look to post KP more often. Good things happen when he does anchor down.
I don’t understand why KP rushes his shot. He’s fucking 7’3 these guys aren’t blocking him.
Krissbill Russelzingis!
Aaron Afflalo sucks at fouling people
the refusal to involve porzingis in the offense in any way is pretty annoying
Please just stop, O’Quinn.
Its really quite amazing. He’s scoring on cutbacks, putbacks, and whatever he can create whenever Melo or Affalo don’t want the ball.
Wow, O’Quinn should be benched. He’s just watching the ball in the air.
derek fishers rotations continue to be shit
Our bench is so shitty.
please please please PLEASE take Vuj out why is he in for GALLOWAY
I think the Knicksiest thing that could happen tonight would be for Jason Smith to drop 30 on us.
This is some ugly ugly basketball and fishers rotations are not helping at all
it’s really amazing how Fisher quite literally throws away points with these absurdly bad rotations. Say what you want about other aspects of his coaching, but we’ve been winning in spite of his awful rotation choices.
Is it 2014?
Fisher is a terrible coach.
Just horrible.
His hockey lineup experiment does not work.
Who is supposed to score in this ridiculous lineup? Grant-Vujacic-Thomas-O’Quinn-Seraphin. That lineup is an atrocity.
Boooooooooooooooo!
Gee, what do you know, the ridiculously offensively inept lineup got its ass kicked.
Derek Fisher is stupid! He doesn’t play O’Quinn!
Why is stupid Fisher playing O’Quinn! O’Quinn sucks!
When you have a team with only a few good players its hard to find good lineups. How many good players are on the Knicks?
Vuj and Amundson in instead of Lopez Porzingis Afflalo or Galloway haha!
Derrick Williams needs to be playing. At least he can score a bit, draw fouls…
I still want O’Quinn to play more but even for those who change constantly in who they want to play still are right in that his rotations have been unqualifiably awful. Put the rotation to 8 or 9 men rather than 11, is that too much to ask?
Yeah, but Williams doesn’t pass, shoot well, or play defense. Lots of these guys are good at something, but most of them have serious flaws too
It is kind of weird that they don’t have a fifth NBA level guard on the team. Fisher almost has to play Sasha sometimes. Early isn’t a 2, ya know?
True about Williams, but when no one is scoring, put him in!
Carmelo Porzingis Robin Lopez Calderon Afflalo Galloway Grant Thomas O’Quinn and spot minutes for Williams
It’s that easy folks.
What’s really most annoying is less even who’s in the rotations and more that Fisher randomly pulls some of his best players when they miss a few shots (i.e. Galloway)
If we’re heading down the road where the bench comes in and continues to suck, and Melo ends up playing 40+ minutes a game, that’s not a good thing.
Robin Lopez is warming the bench for Lou Amundson
Yeah, Amundson needs to come out.
Grant-Vuj-Lance-KOQ-Seraphin is a lineup that obviously cannot score. You can’t send that lineup out there. This isn’t rocket science.
Everyone but Melo has shot like shit. That’s not all on Fisher’s rotations
For me it’s less “these players are shooting like shit, take them out” and more “lou amundson and seraphin and Vujacic should not be playing under any circumstance and galloway should have more than 4 mintues with 5 to go in the half”
Is that a lot to ask?
Yeah, the shooting has been woeful. Surely they’ll heat up in the 2nd half? Just stay close…
You can love Melo or hate him, but without him this team wouldn’t win more than 25 games.
Then why not just cut Vuj and pick up a scorer from the D-League and give him a shot?
They’re slowly cutting the lead down. I approve.
Fuck you, Jah!!
Yuck KP.
Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! (said like Kahn in Star Trek 2)
Jason Smith outscoring KP6. Yikes.
I didn’t see the Miami game but that was the ugliest half of basketball the Knicks have played this season
Or was Miami even worse?
No technicals for you, Jose!!
come on this is a should win game.
This was worse because Miami is better. However, Miami was almost a bit more disconcerting, because it was like they just took them out of the game like it was nothing.
The bottom of the East is surprisingly feisty this year. I’d honestly rather play a team with Anthony freakin’ Dacis on it than a team with Evan Fournier on it. But yes, they gotta pull this one out.
Halftime phone call from Phil to Fish:
Phil: Hi Fish! How are you feeling tonight?
Fish: Good Phil. Why do you ask?
Phil: Ok, Fish. I’m glad. No headache or dizziness tonight?
Fish: No Phil. Just fine.
Phil: Great. I was just wondering why we haven’t been scoring much.
Fish: Well honestly I haven’t been happy with our defense from those guys.
Phil: Have you been happy with the offense from the guys that you’ve been playing?
Fish: No but I really appreciate their defensive effort.
Phil: Yes but how can we win if we can’t get any scoring?
Fish: Well I never thought of it that way!
Phil: Have a great night, Fish!
Fish: You too, Phil. Bye!
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/anthoca01/gamelog/2016/
league average TS% is .532
he’s shot worse than league average in 9 of 15 games so far
just sayin’
I mean I’m looking forward to your narrative though
Galloway sucked against Miami-maybe he’s worn out? I can’t argue about Vujacic or Seraphin, but Lou is fine- he just looks bad in games where nobody else can shoot either. Yeah, I probably would have let Derrick Williams get some run, but he kinda sucks too. Knicks would probably have more points if we’d put him in instead of Amundson, but Orlando probably would have more points too. And then O’Quinn is 0-3, Galloway is 0-3 with 2 fouls in 4 minutes, Grant has two more turnovers than points and Porzingis is 0-5. This is just not that great of a team.
Orlando Magic.
This is my favorite team when i was a kid.
Penny – Shaq
3D, Horace, and Nick Clutch Anderson.
halftime trivia:
When was the last time Vujacic made a shot?
This is also true and almost definitely plays a part but I still find Fisher’s rotations independently maddening even abstracting from the quality of players involved
Orlando is good enough to be above .500 at home. The Knicks are not good enough that a road game against a decent team is a should win game. Could win? Absolutely, which is good, but let’s be real here.
Ok, you tell me what their record would be today without Melo. He’s far from elite, but they still would be a whole lot worse without him.
Knicks’ bench with a grand total of one FG in the 1st half.
I’m not the one doing the counterfactuals here, dude
I’m just pointing out that in the actual games, he’s been anywhere from exceptional to pure shite, with pure shite coming more often than not
we could very well be looking at a team with a better record if not for his terrible shooting, I mean it’s not like the Knicks would have to play 5 on 4 if Melo didn’t exist smdh
and that’s counterfactorial
WHY IS THAT STUPID HEAD PLAYING PEOPLE OFF THE BENCH??
Thank goodness for Fornier tonight.
I like how they have been so much more the aggressor to start the second half.
Shit, but now who should shoot the technicals?!? I am so torn!!
Zinging D
Another good game on offense from don calderoni
Epic moving screen by melo. No conplaints
O’Quinn and Seraphin in. Let the comedy show
begin.
I’m not a Seraphin fan, but I’d like him to convert me right now!
Vujacic back in the game. LOL
I think the magic spotted a mismatch. Guess who
They ought to take Vuj from Fisher. Give him someone else to play with. Some young guard. Try to strike gold and then cut the guy and try again if it doesn’t work.
Also, at least they DID cut down on the lead. It gives me some faith for the fourth.
It’s not the fact that some of these mediocre-to-terrible players play at all that bothers me. We’re not that good, some bad players will have to play. It’s the fact that Fisher puts them all in at once that pisses me off. It’s just a recipe for falling behind.
They had the lead down to 3 when Lopez and KP6 went out…
Rebecca Harlow’s voice puts me to sleep. Really miss Tina.
Rebecca Haarlowe is cute and all, but I can’t stand listening to her speak.
@77
Great minds think alike!
O’Quinn and Afflalo proving that you truly can’t go home again.
Maybe Fisher wants to play Vuj so much that he forces Phil to take him off his hands.
Boston is losing to Philly, so that’s good at least!!
so we are back to .500
Or Fisher wants to be fired.
Who knows?
Who will take the technicals?!
Their entire strategy has been to foul the fuck out of KP.
If Boston loses tonight, would they be UNDER .500?
Thank you, Jah!
It’s interesting that Miami just gave up on Napier for nothing.
Jason Smith should focus more on not being terrible
napier for nothing and its funnier that we gave up our future for eddy curry.
Jason Smith is such a loser
i thought miami is good.
76-49 vs Deetroit?
Am i seeing the box score right?
We can still win this game we just need one solid run.
I think its safe to say the Knicks need to upgrade the backcourt.
jeez this backcourt is tough to watch
The bench is burying this team. We’re losing this game despite every starter having a positive differential when they play. I blame this on Fisher and his seeming inability to still find the right combination of bench players and starters to mix together during the game.
This is the kind of game where Afflalo needs to step up.
V finally did something positive.
Galloway was a fucking train wreck tonight. Calderon is the only guard who came to play
Words we may never have thought we would hear from Mike Breen “another good defensive play from Calderon. ” It’s still possible with just five strong minutes.
Yeah, Galloway has dropped off a cliff recently. A market correction, I guess.
serafin looks like Amare.
Or two bad games
There are a fluctuate of players who plays guard i wonder why our team never had the luck to get one.
Why is KP still in the game now that it’s been decided?
Can’t complain about going 2-2 on this road trip though I wouldve preferred not going 0-2 vs the teams from the East. If they can hang around a playoff spot the conference tie-breaker could come into play but thats a long ways away.
This is on Fisher. The bench has sucked ass and he’s done nothing to rectify it beyond sitting the suckiest guy at the time and replacing him with another sucky player. He has to look to see which players can be used in tandem with some starters instead of having separate squads.
@106. Agreed. Frustrating to watch these last 2 games, but there will probably be lots of games like this this year. A 2-2 road trip is fine. They just need to start winning more at home.
3-20 from the bench
jeez louise
Knicks not named Calderon or Anthony were 14-52 because Derek Fisher is stupid.
Alan Hahn going off on the bench and rotations. They were outscored something like 40-12. oof
Brickshots snorezingus?
Fish can stagger the starters, but the way I see it, they still would have to lean heavily on Melo, KP (I think we should wait a bit longer before asking him to anchor a unit on offense), and Afflalo?
Coming into the season, it was analyzed that scoring (outside Melo) be at a premium at times. This be one of dem times.
IEarly might not be a two but I’d rather aLance defend 2s and play Early at the 3. Susha should be inactive.
Also, if you are not going to play Early why not send him down to Westchester?
If the bench is gonna suck ass regardless at least suck ass with the young/athletic guys. Grant, Williams, O’Quinn and Early I want to see play consistent minutes. Gallo is the only bench player who is guaranteed minutes every game (as he should be) but the guys I mentioned above should be too just cause they are young enough to have the potential to improve and benefit from minutes period.
4-27 Monday
3-20 tonight
From the bench
Nothing really needs to be said that already hasn’t, the second unit is killing the Knicks.
The loss to Orlando stings but they’re a better team than most people think. They’re just never on TV so they’re kind of on the outskirts–essentially they’re the mole rats in Fallout 4 of NBA teams ever since they woke up from the Dwightmare.
The bench is going to live and die by Derrick Williams’ play as long as Fisher insists on rotating Afflalo, Melo and Porzingis at similar times. He’s the guy who’s been able to create fouls, and his ability to run the floor has pushed the pace and caused enough chaos to keep the team out of the halfcourt. Now that teams know not to defend Grant outside 12′ and the sheen has predictably worn off Thomas and Galloway’s early play, the second is even more dependent on having a guy like Williams.
Our 2nd unit needs offense. Should be Grant, Gallo, Thomas, Williams and Oquinn/Seraphin. Period!. No Sasha. No Oquinn plus Seraphin. Fisher is not helping right now.