Knicks Morning News (2017.04.28)

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: From the Start, Kristaps Porzingis Made It Clear He Wouldn’t Be Timid
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:34:34 PM)

    After two seasons of Knicks dysfunction, can anyone be surprised that Porzingis has publicly grown tired of team leadership?

  • [NYTimes] Raptors Lose 25-Point Lead but Eliminate the Bucks
    (Friday, April 28, 2017 2:33:31 AM)

    DeMar DeRozan scored 32 points and Cory Joseph fueled a late 9-0 run to lead Toronto to an 92-89 victory and a matchup with the Cavaliers.

  • [NYPost] Joakim Noah gave the Knicks more than poor play, injuries and drug shame
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 7:16:02 AM)

    Joakim Noah’s right-shoulder surgery to repair his rotator cuff, performed Wednesday at the Hospital for Special Surgery, likely is the capper to one helluva disastrous first season with the Knicks. Everything that could’ve gone wrong for Noah went wrong. On the bright side, next season can only look better. Kristaps Porzingis, at a press conference…

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis a finalist for Block of the Year
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 4:57:00 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis’ block in Brooklyn could get him a trophy in the NBA’s first awards show June 26 at Basketball City.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks’ Joakim Noah has rotator cuff surgery
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:47:00 AM)

    Joakim Noah underwent surgery on his right shoulder Wednesday to repair his rotator cuff, the Knicks announced Thursday morning.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks might pursue several restricted free agents this offseason
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 11:55:33 AM)

    The Knicks, who will have upwards of $20 million in cap space this summer, might pursue several restricted free agents in the offseason.

  • [SNY Knicks] Joakim Noah underwent rotator cuff surgery Wednesday
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 9:20:02 AM)

    Joakim Noah had shoulder surgery on Wednesday to repair his right rotator cuff, the Knicks announced Thursday morning.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony wants to reconcile with La La: report
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:44:37 AM)

    Knicks star Carmelo Anthony isn’t ready to transition to a life without his wife.

  • [NYDN] Joakim Noah has rotator cuff surgery, expected to be out 6 months
    (Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:12:19 AM)

    Joakim Noah’s first season in New York gets worse by the day.

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    84 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.28)”

    1. MCW, with a low cost, nonguaranteed, multi-year contract could prove to be a nice role player on this team.

      He’s always been an intriguing player to a lot of scouts and teams because of his athleticism, length,and defensive tenacity. Having a 6’7″ shutdown wing who can defend positions 1-3 (and potentially some stretch 4’s) would help.

      But he’s simply gotta work on that jump shot if he’s to stay in the league, beyond being a league-minimum guy. One has to wonder if he’s one of those guys that has relied on his athleticism and never really worked on their game. If that’s the case, then I want nothing to do with guys like that.

    2. He’s a fair enough defender, but he’s far from a shutdown defender, and he is an absolute zero on offense. Actually, I misspoke. He’s worse than a zero on offense. He’ll be lucky to still be in the league in three years.

    3. I’d still offer him a super cheap 3 year contract with the 3rd year a team option. Something like what Seth Curry signed.

    4. Pass on MCW. I like the idea of Otto Porter though (except we would have to overpay to get him, as is usually the case with the Knicks.)

    5. I am more accepting of guards with shooting issues than most, I think, and I wouldn’t touch MCW, unless it was a D-league deal.

    6. Hard pass on MCW.

      Roberson is great defensively but I’m not real high on signing guys that have been specifically targeted by opposing defenses in the playoffs multiple years in a row (or maybe it should be specifically un-targeted since they never guard him).

      Sure I’d love Otto Porter. Why don’t we sign Curry and CP3 while we’re at it?

      We are not going to be able to sign any free agents that have other real options unless we greatly overpay for them. Our cap space is limited, and so our ability to overpay is also limited. Our team is a dumpster fire, our POBO is looked at as a demented old man who is staring into his magic mirror asking “who has the most rings of all?”, our state taxes are high, and the media swarm is suffocating.

      We should be renting out our cap space to get assets, not using it on guys like MCW.

      Signing RFAs to offer sheets is ok, but I think it’s very likely that we would just be getting used. And any RFA that would sign an offer sheet with us that doesn’t get matched is probably a RFA (and contract) we don’t want.

    7. He’s always been an intriguing player to a lot of scouts and teams because of his athleticism, length,and defensive tenacity.

      I know that the words “intriguing” and “length” have to be in any MCW discussion, but we should add the words “.437 TS% in 2016-17” and “oh fuck no never” to that dialogue.

    8. Signing RFAs to offer sheets is ok, but I think it’s very likely that we would just be getting used. And any RFA that would sign an offer sheet with us that doesn’t get matched is probably a RFA (and contract) we don’t want.

      Basically agreed, but I also agree that it’s worth a shot for a good young player, even if the other team ultimately matches. If anything, it keeps the Knicks off the market for a few days when hopefully the worst contracts will be handed out. ;)

    9. Two semi-under the radar guys I wouldn’t mind making an offer to are Joe Ingles and Omri Casspi. Ingles just seems like a smart player, and I don’t think Utah will necessarily want to re-sign him given all the free agent $ they’ll have to pay out to Hayward, Hill, etc. Casspi might be interested to play in NY?

      Ingles will probably make 8 figures. Not sure about Casspi.

    10. If I were Casspi I’d be drawn by New York’s Jewish Deli game too

      There’s no good Jewish delis in Minnesota (there’s actually like, one.)

    11. Joe Ingles would be nice but he is 29 and will be 30 by the time the season starts next year so I’d pass.

      Look for Phil to give him 4yr/$40m.

    12. I don’t buy the narrative that we have to overpay for free agents. I don’t think Lee was an overpay. Or Lopez. Or Jennings or Derrick Williams. I know there’s a variety of skill level and desire to have those guys on our team, but Phil has really only overpaid for one free agent – Noah.

      Yes we’re a dumpster fire but you know a lot of that is because right now there is nothing to change the narrative of the Knicks. Phil’s press conference comments weren’t even that bad but there’s no games for us to play right now and the season ended in disappointment, so the media can really focus in on every little thing he said and blow it way out of proportion. KP missing the exit interview was a bad look but the interview wasn’t even required of him and The Knicks are letting it blow over.

      This period right now until draft night is the worst for us. There’s nothing Phil or Mills or The Knicks can do to change the narrative about the organization. I mean, look, I get it. We suck. But two 30 win seasons in a row. I mean its not like there aren’t plenty of teams that consistently only win 30 games in the NBA. The Knicks just get all of the attention bc its NYC. And since there are no games to be played, no free agent signings, no draft picks to be made, no trades to be made, etc…there is really nothing Phil and The Knicks can do right now to change the narrative. So everyone can just pile on right now. Outside of firing Horns, there’s no move to be made. And doing that would probably be counter productive bc we’ve gone through a lot of coaches the last few years.

      But the narrative WILL change starting on draft night. Even if we draft 8th we will add a promising young prospect and immediately the narrative will be about pairing this player with KP and Willie H. Then we can sign free agents and make trades shortly after. This is the worst time. It will get better.

    13. Re: MCW Sorry, one overrated Orange star at a time.

      Re Casspi and Ingles, no thanks, rather roll with guys like Ndour and Kuz at those spots.

    14. My new hope is that the Knicks sign Porter to an offer sheet because the Wizards tell Porter that they won’t max him out otherwise, and then the Wizards fall asleep and forget to match. Then again, I don’t think they even have the cap space to max out Porter.

    15. If I were Casspi I’d be drawn by New York’s Jewish Deli game too

      I’m not Casspi and I am all about the deli game

      finding a decent bagel and/or pastrami in Portland is very very not fun

      Phil’s press conference comments weren’t even that bad but there’s no games for us to play right now and the season ended in disappointment, so the media can really focus in on every little thing he said and blow it way out of proportion.

      He gave a mega-max contract with one of the league’s 2 no-trade clauses to a guy who is no better than league-average and then criticized him openly in front of the media while saying he’d be better off playing somewhere else.

      There’s no way to not blow that out of proportion. It’s incredibly stupid strategy when the player has every ounce of leverage in the situation. It’s foolish. There’s no spin otherwise.

    16. There’s no good Jewish delis in Minnesota (there’s actually like, one.)

      There are a few decent places here, but you walk into a place called “Spielman Bagels” and it’s a bunch of hipsters microwaving your eggs for a BEC. From the look on my face alone, I half expect them to be like, “Okay, so… you’re not from Portland, are you?”

    17. Michael Carter-Williams is an established bad player. He has an extensive track record of shitty NBA play. He’s a waste of a roster spot, period. I’d put “sign Michael Carter-Williams” somewhere up there with “convert Kyle O’Quinn into a point guard” and “take another look at Tony Wroten” in terms of bad ideas to solve our point guard problem.

    18. The Knicks need to get ahead of the curve and draft Frank, tank for Luka Doncic/Michael Porter Jr, and find a 7’2″ guy whose only function are dunks and grabbing 15 boards a game. This way we can outsize, outrun, and out pass everybody.

      Otto Porter Jr ain’t going nowhere unless Washington is dumb enough to trade him here in an S&T for Carmelo Anthony.

    19. And I’m in the vein that taking a chance on anyone young for a bargain basement deal is something I can’t scream too loudly about. MCW on a league minimum deal wouldn’t be the reason we miss the playoffs next season.

    20. MCW is essential if we want a chance at Doncic, Porter, Bamba or Ayton.

      And yet I bet Melo would say, “Whoa, you signed a former Rookie of the Year? And he’s from Syracuse? You do care about making me happy here, Phil!”

    21. And I’m in the vein that taking a chance on anyone young for a bargain basement deal is something I can’t scream too loudly about.

      Signing Michael Carter Williams is not “taking a chance” at all. It’s a guarantee that he will play like shit for you. You’re basically intentionally signing a terrible player by signing that guy. There is no upside to Michael Carter-Williams.

      In other words, why not sign LITERALLY ANYBODY ELSE?

    22. Signing MCW might not be a terrible idea, he might add at least 4 or 5 L’s to this team next season, while we tank for Doncic.

      Also, he’s spiritually bound to be a Knick sometime in his career, so why not get over with it already in a year with not much expectation… hell, give Rudy Gay and Tyreke Evans one year deals too, for karmic reasons.

    23. Sign both holidays or rondo (maybe) , Joe ingles or bogdanovich or mitotic and trade melo for crowder and some young guards… it’s brand new day!

    24. N O to MCW. There’s a reason he’s been on at least a couple of teams already – he sucks.
      No thank you, the Knicks have enough players that suck

    25. Re: MCW, I was thinking about my “All-Bargnani 1st Team,” and I came across Anthony Morrow’s page.

      How did he manage just 1.6 rebounds per 36 as a 6’5″ human being this year? I feel like you’d have to try to be that bad. I know Westbrook was padding his DRB, but god damn that is horrible.

      And dude made $3.4M this year? How am I not an NBA player?

    26. I don’t buy the narrative that we have to overpay for free agents. I don’t think Lee was an overpay. Or Lopez. Or Jennings or Derrick Williams. I know there’s a variety of skill level and desire to have those guys on our team, but Phil has really only overpaid for one free agent – Noah.

      These guys were signed before the true dumpster fire nature of this franchise became known. If we tried to sign them this offseason Noah is probably the only one who would still come. Ironically, that might actually be a net positive for the franchise. That’s why I’m not losing any sleep over Phil Jackson being a monumental jackass, it may force us to avoid the free agent market for once.

    27. That’s why I’m not losing any sleep over Phil Jackson being a monumental jackass, it may force us to avoid the free agent market for once.

      The real problem with Phil right now is that he’s 60% of the way through his tenure. I’d like to think that Phil Jackson is the kind of person who might learn from his mistakes, realize that there is no quick fix when it comes to making the Knicks true contenders and change his strategy into one that is more long-term in nature. It would be great if Phil would commit to building something that outlasts his own tenure, and to be satisfied with at least pointing the Knicks in the right direction and giving them a foundation to build on.

      But I’m doubtful that he actually is that sort of person. I’m expecting to see another major roster overhaul and more questionable long-term contracts given out to players who don’t deserve them.

    28. I know I keep repeating myself. However, I still think Phil knew that trading for Rose and signing Noah were not the optimal long term strategy. I think he’s been trying to balance youth with Melo’s timetable and was willing to accept a small long term downside for quicker progress and a gamble on some significant upside. He’s repeatedly said he asked Melo about the pace of the rebuild and whether he was satisfied. Apparently he was not and that’s what caused the brief change in direction last year.

      I don’t expect him to go to an all youth movement now even if he trades Melo. I think there’s still going to be a mix of young and experienced players. But once Melo is gone I don’t expect him to take any fliers to speed up the pace of the rebuild to appease Melo.

    29. small long term downside

      http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/16688846/new-york-knicks-joakim-noah-agree-4-year-72-million-deal

      ?????????????

      You are being results oriented.

      Before the season you could easily argue it was a bad idea to give him 4 years given his age and recent injury history. But it was also far from certain he would break down repeatedly with hamstring and knee problems and then hurt his shoulder. For all we know he may be reasonably healthy next year, though the probability is clearly well below the average player.

      At the same time, had he not had those injuries, played 75 games, returned to better form than Lopez instead, and then maintained good form for the duration of the contract that still wouldn’t justify giving him 4 years. It would be good luck.

    30. I think there was pretty strong consensus when the deal happened that it was horrible because his health was pretty much guaranteed to be bad. Am I not remembering this correctly?

      I love Noah as a player, I really enjoyed watching the one good game he had as a Knick, but the writing was on the wall.

    31. Only way I could rationalize the deal at the time was the potential for an amnesty clause in the new CBA. Now that we removed that from the equation its unquestionably one of the worst deals in the league.

    32. It wouldn’t be so bad if he were able to get us 10 boards a nite and play defense consistently because he is a black hole on offense… I can’t defend it who am I kidding!?!

      What’s worse is that Lopez was producing and both the rose trade and Noah were unnecessary and totally backfired

    33. Only way I could rationalize the deal at the time was the potential for an amnesty clause in the new CBA.

      You know it’s a good deal when the best way to rationalize it is that maybe the league will put in a temporary rule allowing you to void the deal.

    34. person in the N.B.A. familiar with Porzingis’s situation and speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to comment on Knicks personnel, said Porzingis had been expressing frustration with the operation of the franchise as far back as December.

      “The worst thing is, he knows he didn’t get better this year,” the person said. “How could he when they bring in Derrick Rose, a point guard who doesn’t pass the ball? With Kristaps, I’m afraid they’ve gotten themselves in a very difficult situation, and I don’t know how they get out of it.”

      Quote of the year…..

    35. You know it’s a good deal when the best way to rationalize it is that maybe the league will put in a temporary rule allowing you to void the deal.

      I remember back in 2011 when we were discussing the amnesty provision on Stoudemire barely more than a year into his contract. Yet the Knicks went ahead and exercised a fucking team option on Billups and then wasted their Get Out of Jail Free Card on him.

      Mindblowing that we’re wishing the same six years later, and on a very similar circumstance: formerly-great player with a broken body gets huge contract that he’ll never live up to; fanbase considers every option to get rid of him barely a year into the deal.

    36. Kristaps always sounded pretty skeptical about the Derrick Rose adventure. The best thing he could muster up after the trade was how excited he was to rebound Rose’s misses.

    37. I remember back in 2011 when we were discussing the amnesty provision on Stoudemire barely more than a year into his contract. Yet the Knicks went ahead and exercised a fucking team option on Billups and then wasted their Get Out of Jail Free Card on him.

      Mindblowing that we’re wishing the same six years later, and on a very similar circumstance: formerly-great player with a broken body gets huge contract that he’ll never live up to; fanbase considers every option to get rid of him barely a year into the deal.

      Yeah, it was killer that back then we knew it made more sense to use the amnesty on STAT to sign Chandler, but we all also knew that there was no way that the Knicks were ever going to do that.

    38. Quote of the year…..

      Wasn’t it December that Porzingis made his quote along the lines of, “We’re not really as good as people think we are?” That’s interesting.

    39. Wasn’t it December that Porzingis made his quote along the lines of, “We’re not really as good as people think we are?” That’s interesting.

      Yeah this was during the 14-10 start.

    40. Yeah this was during the 14-10 start.

      Boy, he definitely comes off looking more perceptive than most, doesn’t he (I’m certainly receptive to the argument that he also comes off as a prima donna, just noting that he also comes off as perceptive)?

    41. Boy, he definitely comes off looking more perceptive than most, doesn’t he

      They apparently study the teachings of Pythagoras over there in Latvia

    42. I’m about a foot and a half short…

      Why all the negatives on MCW? I thought you guys want to tank next year? Seriously, though, pass. Let’s get Rubio.

    43. How crazy would it be if after Phil leaves, Porzingis insists we get a GM who is an analytics guy? Like Mike Zarren out of Boston?

    44. Kristaps always sounded pretty skeptical about the Derrick Rose adventure. The best thing he could muster up after the trade was how excited he was to rebound Rose’s misses.

      If Phil brings back Rose, KP may pull a Rose and go back to Latvia for a game or 2 lol

    45. Boy, he definitely comes off looking more perceptive than most, doesn’t he (I’m certainly receptive to the argument that he also comes off as a prima donna, just noting that he also comes off as perceptive)?

      I was really impressed that he was objective enough to realize he hadn’t progressed and he clearly feels (like everyone sees here) the point guard situation must be addressed. If someone as least as good as Rubio (or a reasonable guard prospect from this draft) isn’t manning the point next year, KP will most certainly be out the door. Phil is on the clock and quite reasonably so.

    46. Wow even Marc Stein got laid off at ESPN

      Thats crazy, he’s like #2 after Woj at breaking news.

    47. Thats crazy, he’s like #2 after Woj at breaking news.

      #2-3 are probably the other guys who work with Woj. Stein is great, but he’s so far behind Woj that I can see ESPN saying, “We’re not elite here, and if we’re not elite, then why bother?”

    48. I don’t think the PG situation will be a problem with a rookie and Chasson Randle at the position next season. I think the big problem is the egos around the organization (Phil, Rose, Melo) that are keeping the Knicks from playing basketball on one accord.

      And KP is pretty much stuck in New York until he’s 30. We’re going to offer him all the money we can and I doubt he turns it down. He’ll be rich as hell and he’ll be playing with Frank Ntilikina, his best friend Willy, and Luka Doncic. No way he runs from being the face of the Euro Squad.

    49. Yes he will.

      Another question is if his shirt should be retired by the Knicks?

      He didn’t accomplish nothing here, but he will be a hall of famer that spent half of his career in New York

    50. Melo should not be a Hall of Famer. But he will be.

      I have never felt for a second that KP was a proms donna. I think he’s an intelligent guy who is frustrated by the morons around him.

    51. Melo should not be a Hall of Famer. But he will be.

      Yes he should, based on precedent. Thats why he will be lol.

    52. Another question is if his shirt should be retired by the Knicks?

      No. I think he would have been if the Knicks made the playoffs every year he was here, but that ship has long sailed.

    53. Wow even Marc Stein got laid off at ESPN

      I wonder what the type of financial backing is to do his job. If he and the Ethan Strauss types get together to start something of their own, would it be feasible?

    54. When Melo is inducted into the Hall of Fame, he should invite Hakim Warrick and Gerry McNamara onstage to thank them for his induction.

      His career was blessed with inertia by some supremely excellent tournament play by a good, but not great, Orangemen team in 2003. In SRS, they rank 7th all-time in Syracuse history, and were ranked 13th in the AP poll before the tournament commenced. (The following two years, they went 23-8 and 27-7 ,respectively, with solid SRS performances in each year.)

      Do you remember the 2002-03 Auburn basketball team? I don’t. Turns out Marquis Daniels was their stud that year, and the Orangemen withstood a comeback attempt by the Tigers in the 2nd half of their Sweet Sixteen game. They then smashed Oklahoma and Texas to get to the Championship Game, where Kansas again challenged them in the 2nd half but couldn’t pull it off.

      Carmelo’s box scores are nothing to write home about in many of these games. Signs of what’s to come: 18 points on 18 TSA, 20 points on 18 TSA. But he had a strong team behind him, and while he was their best player, a Sweet Sixteen exit surely would have changed the narrative going into the draft. Maybe he’s still Freshman of the Year, maybe he’s still a Consensus All-American, but he’s certainly not carrying the “champion” pedigree that made him a top-3 pick in a draft that featured 4 future HOFers in the first five picks, as well as two late picks that are playing prominent roles on the league’s best teams in 2017 (David West, Kyle Korver).

      I think that without the hagiographies of Syracuse fanboys and ISO aficionados, we’re not assuming that Carmelo Anthony is a guy who should have won a couple chips by now, if not for the incompetence of the Nuggets and Knicks over the last fourteen years.

    55. I think there was pretty strong consensus when the deal happened that it was horrible because his health was pretty much guaranteed to be bad. Am I not remembering this correctly?

      I thought it was a bad idea too, but again, that it worked that way last year does not tell you what the probabilities of it working out that way actually were or what they are next year. That is simply the result we got.

    56. @64 Did you really just break that down to try to discredit something no one really cares about. wow. LOL Sad.

      This is the most diabolical hater post ive ever seen. You know Boehiem has 1 chip in like 40 years right?

      PS only good teams win

    57. Dominique Wilkins is in the Hall of Fame, so by that standard, sure, put Melo in the Hall of Fame.

    58. With Kristaps, I’m afraid they’ve gotten themselves in a very difficult situation, and I don’t know how they get out of it.”

      This is just silly.

      There are young players all over the league (some a lot better than KP) playing on terrible teams right now. The solution is simple. You present the long term plan to KP.

      1. You define how you are going to play on both sides of the ball.
      2. You draft young quality players.
      3. You make trades with the long term in mind

      No player needs immediately gratification unless they are getting old like Melo. As long as KP can see that the team is moving in the correct direction, he’s going to be fine.

      The problem this year, as I said, was that Jackson went OFF PLAN and tried to speed up the build to appease Melo. Then they changed how they were playing. KP just wants to see a solid plan and that we are sticking with it and he’ll be fine.

      This team can be turned around very quickly if we get a quality player back for Melo, draft well, and pick up 1 decent player in free agency. We are positioned fine. Granted it could be better, but we are fine. (space, picks etc..)

    59. Ben Wallace not being a first ballot HOF’er is a crime that I demand be investigated.

    60. The biggest mystery to me is why KP likes playing with Melo. He realizes that Melo draws a lot of attention so the defense can’t focus primarily on him, but he has also been hinting that the ball doesn’t move and the defense is a problem. How could he not tell that Melo is half the problem?

    61. How could he not tell that Melo is half the problem?

      Melo forces KP the ball all the time. Thats why.

    62. This is the most diabolical hater post ive ever seen. You know Boehiem has 1 chip in like 40 years right?

      It’s more a nod to the fact that player value and player perception are often at odds, especially when a player is on a great (or lucky) college team.

      Final Four appearance >>> higher draft slot >>> guaranteed contract/preseason hype >>> more playing time >>> high PPG total >>> higher player perception and media coverage >>> more potential money

      It’s a “rich get richer” thing. Not every player is Ben Simmons or Markelle Fultz, earning top draft slots despite playing on a shit team.

      LeBron is already going to be 1b GOAT to Michael’s 1a, but imagine how much faster his legacy would have formed if the Pistons lucked into the #1 instead of the #2. You wouldn’t be hearing “Is he overhyped?” or “Is he a choker?” for the first seven years of his career. He probably would have slowed the decline of Ben Wallace and won an MVP before the decade was out. It took a special kind of stupidity for the Cavs to fail to put a decent team around him; his start-to-finish performance in the 2009 Playoffs is easily the best performance of the modern era and probably will never be topped. But instead, he was a choke artist until, surprise, he found his way onto a team stacked with All-NBA talent and underrated Moneyball players (e.g. Chris Andersen).

    63. You wouldn’t be hearing “Is he overhyped?” or “Is he a choker?” for the first seven years of his career.

      Only idiots and hot take artists said this. You are better than that.

      It’s more a nod to the fact that player value and player perception are often at odds, especially when a player is on a great (or lucky) college team.

      No, Melo was the best player on a championship team and he would have been a lottery pick out of HS, (he was the no 2 recruit). He avg 23-10 as an 18 year old. In the final 4 he had games of 33-14-3 and 20-10-7. He didnt reach his full potential. But to shit on his accomplishments that year is weak as hell. If Warrick and Mac were so good, why did they lose in the first round 2 years later and only make the sweet sixteen the next year. Come on man. This is a stupid topic

    64. Not every player is Ben Simmons or Markelle Fultz, earning top draft slots despite playing on a shit team

      I would actually hold Fultz winning 9 games against him. Thats awful for a no 1 pick. At least Simmons got close to the tourney.

    65. Ben Simmons also played in the SEC, which is probably the weakest of the power five conferences when it comes to basketball. The PAC-12 is no joke with teams like UCLA, Oregon and Arizona. Washington was also tremendously bad and their coach got fired. I don’t worry too much about Fultz; Ben Simmons was a step above him as a prospect.

      And I agree with stratomatic on the Knicks. If we trade Melo and get back anything that isn’t a negative asset, we’ll be a better team this year just by virtue of losing two of the least productive players in the NBA. The dream scenario would look something like landing Rubio and Otto Porter Jr/Gordon Hayward, but that ain’t happening. Just trade Melo and play a bunch of youngsters en route to Michael Porter Jr or Luka Doncic.

      The Knicks will be fine as soon as they stop deluding themselves that they are a quick rebuild away. Even if the players to make us better are out there, and they are (I’m talking about George Hill and Gordon Hayward), they wouldn’t sign with the Knicks. We need to draft young kids and force them to share the ball and play hard nose defense under Uncle JoJo and Uncle Courtney’s watch. That’s the only way we get this team off the ground for more than one season.

    66. Being a Yankees fan almost makes being a Knicks fan worth the suffering. Almost.

    67. If Greg Bird could figure out how the premise of hitting, which is to put the bat on the ball before it hits the catcher’s glove, I think he could be a good player, and probably play the point better than anyone we’ve had since Lin.

    68. Also, I can’t help but think “Judge Holden” when I think “Aaron Judge.” He is pretty close to what I imagined Holden would look like, minus the alopecia.

    69. No. I think he would have been if the Knicks made the playoffs every year he was here, but that ship has long sailed.

      Typically, I think a team that has had so few Hall of Famers in the past 40 years should retire any Hall of Famers they happen to get that play here a goodly amount of time, but I see that they’ve never retired King’s number, so I guess if you don’t retire King’s number, you probably shouldn’t retire Melo’s.

    70. I wonder what the type of financial backing is to do his job. If he and the Ethan Strauss types get together to start something of their own, would it be feasible?

      It’d be way cost-prohibitive. They’d be looking at major salary cuts. I think they’ll both just sign up somewhere else. Stein is famous enough that he could probably even get a newspaper gig at this point, and very few people can get newspaper gigs nowadays.

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