Knicks Morning News (2017.04.08)

  • [NYPost] Courtney Lee goes off after rook chucks up late 3 in blowout
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 6:30:02 PM)

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. — As the Knicks were a second away from absorbing their 50th loss of the season Friday night, Grizzlies rookie Wade Baldwin IV added one more grain of salt to the wound. Knicks shooting guard Courtney Lee wasn’t going to let him escape without causing a salty commotion. After first dribbling out the…

  • [NYPost] NBA commish: I’m staying out of James Dolan-fan dust-up
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 1:05:46 PM)

    Adam Silver might not like one of his owners cursing out a fan, but he isn’t going to get involved, either. The NBA commissioner said the league has no plans to step in regarding the latest Jim Dolan dustup, when he called Knicks fan James Hamersky an “a–hole” and got in his face for shouting…

  • [NYTimes] Behind Kevin Durant’s Jersey Number, a Cold-Blooded Murder
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 9:00:50 AM)

    A beloved youth-league coach was gunned down at age 35 outside a bar in Maryland, just one more murder in a place where gunshot deaths were routine.

  • [NYTimes] The Nets’ Brook Lopez on Starting a Brooklyn Legacy
    (Saturday, April 08, 2017 1:49:03 AM)

    Lopez, who has played for the team longer than anybody else, is nearing the franchise record for career points. “I definitely think I’m lucky,” he said.

  • [NYTimes] When N.B.A. Coaches Rest Their Stars, the Owners Get Restless
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 11:58:46 PM)

    With fans and league broadcast partners irked by stars’ sitting out, Commissioner Adam Silver said owners have discussed issuing “guidelines’’ for teams.

  • [NYTimes] Charlotte Eligible to Host 2019 N.B.A. All-Star Game, Commissioner Says
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 10:57:06 PM)

    The N.B.A. pulled the game from the city this year over the state’s “bathroom bill,” but a recent change to the law has put Charlotte back in the mix.

  • [NYTimes] Grizzlies 101, Knicks 88: Grizzlies Beat Knicks to Lock Up a Playoff Berth
    (Saturday, April 08, 2017 4:31:51 AM)

    Mike Conley scored 31 points for Memphis, which clinched the No. 7 spot in the Western Conference. The Grizzlies will meet the Spurs in the first round.

  • [NYDN] Knicks cry over late three-pointer after loss to Grizzlies
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 10:00:12 PM)

    Another Knicks defeat was closing on its predictable conclusion when little-known Grizzlies reserve threw up a final insult.

  • [NYDN] Jeff Hornacek letting history repeat itself with Jackson, Knicks
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 9:39:37 PM)

    You can’t help but think Jeff Hornacek will regret not asserting himself this time around, with the Knicks and Phil Jackson.

  • [NYDN] Knicks clinch third straight 50-loss season
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 7:11:27 PM)

    The Knicks maintained the sixth-worst record in the NBA.

  • [NYDN] VIDEO: Knicks’ O’Quinn accidentally hits Plumlee in face
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 6:24:17 PM)

    This one play accurately explains the Knicks’ entire season.

  • [NYDN] The story behind Phil Jackson’s latest tweet
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 5:55:02 PM)

    MJackson praised Mindaugas Kuzminskas and his national team.

  • [NYDN] NBA commish prefers to stay out of James Dolan vs. Knicks fans
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 12:27:25 PM)

    Adam Silver said the NBA is “not particularly concerned” over a a verbal altercation between James Dolan and a season ticket holder.

  • [NYDN] James Dolan is once again Jerk of the Week after ‘a–hole’ remark
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 9:35:52 AM)

    Congratulations, James Dolan, you are the first two-time winner (loser).

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks lose 50th game for third straight year of Phil Jackson era
    (Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:45:49 AM)

    MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Phil Jackson’s teams won 50 games regularly when he coached. As an executive, his Knicks have made losing 50 games the norm.

  • [SNY Knicks] Without Rose, Porzingis, Anthony Knicks fall to Grizzlies 88-101
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 9:16:10 PM)

    Without Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony and (unexpectedly) Kristaps Porzingis, the Knicks could only muster three quarters of contention and fell to the Memphis Grizzlies 88-101.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Should Knicks pass on Lonzo Ball?
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 6:10:44 PM)

    If available, should the Knicks pass on drafting UCLA’s Lonzo Ball?

  • [SNY Knicks] Jennings: Tension between Anthony and Jackson ‘took a toll’ on Knicks
    (Friday, April 07, 2017 11:30:13 AM)

    Wizards PG Brandon Jennings discussed the tension between Carmelo Anthony and Phil Jackson, and how it negatively affected the rest of the team.

  • [ESPN] Adam Silver not concerned over Knicks owner James Dolan’s run-in with fan
    (Saturday, April 08, 2017 12:05:24 AM)

    Adam Silver not concerned over Knicks owner James Dolan’s run-in with fan

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    55 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.08)”

    1. I don’t know how this is possible- but I am both proud of and disappointed in this Knicks team. Disappointed because on paper, we had a scary roster even with the flaws. Proud because we found out we have- for the first time in eons- young keepers that we are actually likely to hold on to. Herman Gomez (what up Clyde! LOL), Baker, Randle, Kuz, KOQ (excellent trade bait at this point so he’s a catch 22 imo), and to a lesser extent- Holiday & Plumlee.

      If Phil can hit on his pick in the draft and sign the right player or 2 in free agency- and it doesn’t hafta be a star signing- this team will see an immediate turnaround. I don’t know how good the aforementioned players are actually gonna be, but I believe if they can earn consistent roles off of the bench- then they will be very useful.

      For that to happen, Phil has to get a PF and a PG- or KOQ has to start at PF and Phil has to get a PG. I’m thinking go hard after Patty Mills and draft whichever top PG is available for us and either use KOQ to bring back a starting PF, regardless of how bad we may want a pick for him- even if it’s part of a Melo deal. At this point netting an extra 1st this year is icing on the cake. Phil can probably get a late 1st for KOQ, but we still won’t have a starting PF. From this point on KP should be our starting C with Willy getting 25-30 mpg off the bench

    2. I don’t know how this is possible- but I am both proud of and disappointed in this Knicks team. Disappointed because on paper, we had a scary roster even with the flaws. Proud because we found out we have- for the first time in eons- young keepers that we are actually likely to hold on to. Herman Gomez (what up Clyde! LOL), Baker, Randle, Kuz, KOQ (excellent trade bait at this point so he’s a catch 22 imo), and to a lesser extent- Holiday & Plumlee.

      We’re lucky as heck that the team is not as good as it looked at the beginning of the season, because they looked good enough to maybe just barely miss the playoffs and screw over their first rounder. Luckily, they were not as good as that. This team never looked “scary” on paper. It looked mediocre and old, which is the worst thing in the NBA to be. Thank goodness for Willy, though, he’s awesome. Best trade Jackson had made yet by leaps and bounds.

      Phil can probably get a late 1st for KOQ

      Despite no one offering a late 1st for KOQ when they tried to trade him at the deadline for a late 1st? I don’t think that that tracks.

    3. I know it sounds stupid, but the Kings might have really beat New Orleans over the head in this trade for Boogie. Buddy Hield has been playing great ball in Sacramento since he got there, AND they got a first round pick. The Boogie trade might actually put Sacramento in position to be young and exciting if they use their two picks wisely. You know, like trading both picks to New York in a Melo/Love/picks 3 team trade.

    4. I thought, at the time, that it might have been a case where they just had to get rid of him and take whatever they could get. So I didn’t knock them too much for the deal, I just thought that they should have not given up the Top 3 protection to the New Orleans. But yes, Buddy Hield has shot so much better since the trade (he still doesn’t do anything but shoot, but it’s good that he’s shooting well now).

    5. It seems the future of the team rests on the disposition of Melo. The impact of draftees, off-season acquisitions, the development and role of KP, and the direction the team on the court next season starts with that. The team with him would be dramatically different culture wise than without. It will be a very interesting and telling off season.

    6. I’ve been very impressed with Mo NDour. He was our best player last night. He is literally all over the court with his speed, agility and length. I believe that he is an important piece going forward for us and I can see him as a future starter.

    7. I liked Ndour too. If he can continue to hit spot-up shots and can keep out of foul trouble, he’s a keeper.

    8. N’dour could be the Shawn Marion type of player we’ve been looking for. His last 3 games were all against playoff teams that had something to play for and he’s acquitted himself well. He’s proven he’s a good rebounder and defender, and he doesn’t do anything stupid with the basketball (and even makes more than he misses). If he works on a 3 point shot and one or two dribble moves you’re looking at an impact player and a starter without a doubt.

      Let’s not forget the unheralded history of the 90s Knicks. Guys like John Starks and Anthony Mason overcame long odds to become Knicks legends. I’m not saying N’Dour will be the next big UDFA in the league, but I like his tools and I don’t think we should write him off. He has some real tools to work with.

    9. I agree with Brian that we’re overrating OQ here. I’d love to be wrong, but I doubt that the Knicks can get a first rounder for him. Then again, Phil did get a 1st for Timmy a couple of drafts ago, so…

      I hope the Knicks can get Ron back cheaply. Clearly he needs to improve his shooting. If he can, he’s a decent rotation guy. I’m iffy on Great Holiday Debate (offer 3/$12m), but would like to see a 2nd year of some of these guys. Those of you pining for Grant, I do agree a bit. I really would have liked to see a 2nd year out of him before discarding him.

      So, KP and Willy are obvious keepers. The #1 pick should be added as a starter.

      We’re stuck with Noah, so he becomes backup/mentor. Keep Ron, Ndour and Plumlee and see if any can become solid rotation guys. Maybe Randle. Hopefully one or both of the 2nd rounders can stick. Holiday if he bites on a reasonable deal.

      Try real hard to move: Melo, LT, OQ. Try real hard to get another first rounder in this draft.

      Move if the right deal: Lee, Kuz. Otherwise, OK hold the fort guys.

      Dump: Rose, of course. Sasha (good guy, probably still wants to play, offer assistant coach gig).

    10. If NDour continues his progress that gives us a lot of good young bigs in KP, Willy, NDour and Plumlee. I’d keep O’Quinn too and I guess Noah isn’t going anywhere. Who knows if Melo will be back?

      So we sorely need that PG as the missing piece. Baker has to make more shots and Randle was close to horrific last night.

    11. I liked Ndour too. If he can continue to hit spot-up shots and can keep out of foul trouble, he’s a keeper.

      If he’s going to be a keeper, we should learn how to spell his name. :) Z-Man has it down.

    12. If Minnesota and Sacramento don’t win between now and the end of the season that Philly game becomes imperative for us. Minnesota plays the Lakers and the Kings play the Suns but who knows?

    13. I tend to review this board off and on but it’s still the most solid Knicks talk around, imo.
      Two questions guys and gals:
      1) Why the constant talk about trading KO? He reminds me of a 90’s player
      2) Do people know the meaning of “trolling” around here? Cuz whether or not you agree with Reub’s perspective, he’s seems to be one of the only optimists here.

    14. yea i think they both do win those games but if they don’t.. then we might be screwed….

    15. 1) Why the constant talk about trading KO? He reminds me of a 90’s player

      He’s only signed through next year. They’re not going to be good next year. Thus, he probably holds more value to a good team than the Knicks next year, so that’s why it probably makes more sense to trade him than to keep him. But since they tried to deal him for a first rounder and no one was interested, he’s unlikely to be dealt.

    16. @10 I don’t put KOQ in the try hard to trade group. No reason to move him except for a good trade, because he offers real value for the contract, and it being only 1 year is as much a positive as negative.

      Great game thread last night, btw.

    17. In other news, I can’t wait till Melo is gone. So long as we don’t give up a pick, and don’t kill the cap for more than a year, I don’t care what we get back.

    18. O’Quinn is a keeper in my opinion. He’s gotten so much better this year and I’m impressed at how he can block so many shots. He seems to want to be here and we should find a way to keep him because he knows our system.

      Ntilikina and Frank Mason would be two nice players I’d like to add in the draft. I think that they could become our starting backcourt over time and would complement each other’s games very nicely.

      @15 To some on here optimism=trolling.

    19. I’m just hoping that Phil figures out some way to get rid of Melo before next season. I’ve had enough Carmelo Anthony for one lifetime. The guy is the most boring player in the world.

    20. @21 I agree. If we can’t get rid of him we should just let him start ceremoniously for a few minutes each half and then sit him down for most of the game. Or as a sixth man. We need players who play defense.

    21. I’m just hoping that Phil figures out some way to get rid of Melo before next season. I’ve had enough Carmelo Anthony for one lifetime. The guy is the most boring player in the world.

      If we can start fresh next year with no Melo, no Rose and a pass first PG, young or old, I can get back on board with this team. There’s no doubt in my mind that KP’s development was stymied by playing with those two lamebrains.

    22. Thanks Brian, it feels like the Knicks just got him. Time is flying. Holy smokes will they ever be relevant again…
      @19, the feeling is mutual. Except, with the misguided idea many fans have (that Carmelo is still an asset), the Knicks should be able to get more than scraps for him (fingers crossed).

    23. Thanks Brian, it feels like the Knicks just got him. Time is flying.

      The issue is that the fourth year is a player option and at the time, that wasn’t wildly reported, so we all thought that the Knicks had him for longer.

    24. Brian is it possible that the Knicks could extend O’Quinn’s contract during the offseason at a fair raise? Let’s say something like 4 for 22?

    25. I’d be all for extending O’Quinn at a raise. That would actually be a smart use of our cap space for once. I just get the feeling that we’re going to let him become a free agent and walk, which is why I’d like to trade him. It doesn’t seem like he’s made much of a mark on Phil if we’re judging based on Charley Rosen’s drivel.

    26. Yeah I’d extend OQ. He’s currently one of the best contracts in the NBA and would probably break even at triple his current value imo.

    27. the thing that scares me about a potential O’Quinn deal is that he might get thrown together in a bigger trade, like Phil did with Lopez… let’s say Lee + O’Quinn + a 2nd to a smarter team for a bad veteran or something.

      I’m all for keeping him and if he won’t bring a late first rounder back at least, just re-sign him… but there are no real indications the Knicks management values him highly and I’m still scared of another win-now year.

      Again, it all hinges on how the lottery goes, and if Melo still has any value (or if the Knicks are really going to try to get rid of him).

    28. O’Quinn essentially cannot be extended (he technically could be extended after next season, but only if he opted into the final year of his contract, but obviously it would not make sense to sign an extension when you could just as easily become a free agent and then sign the equivalent of the extension while also testing the open market).

      The earliest you can sign an extension is after year three of a four (or more) year contract.

    29. Damn, thanks BC. In that case I want him to be traded, just because of how little faith I have in the Knicks’ front office to bring him back. I’m pretty sure they think he’s a perfectly expendable backup big.

    30. You know, I was actually happy that the Knicks brought over Noah. The contract is painful but he had a history of defense and selflessness. I wonder if he can still mentor these young bigs to be the same way.

    31. There’s a real risk involved in keeping Melo around next year: he has that extra year on his contract if he doesn’t exercise his ETO. So if he plays here next season and gets hurt, the Knicks will be on the hook for $28M to watch Melo sit on the bench in a suit during the 2018-2019 season.

      That’s the season that could be a real doozy in terms of wasted salary. Potentially you could have Melo ($28M), Noah ($18.5M), Courtney Lee ($12.5M) and Lance Thomas ($7M) on the books eating up like $66M and giving you almost zero value. It’s important to do something NOW to move that Melo contract. He’s gotta go.

    32. If we can’t get a pick for Melo, there’s a part of me that would prefer to waive him than trade him for whatever garbage is available. If Magic Johnson is fresh off losing two first round picks I don’t see him passing on the opportunity to claim Melo. To my knowledge, Melo would actually have no say in the situation.

      Worst case scenario he goes unclaimed and we’re on the hook for two more years, but is that really any worse than trading him for a bunch of shitty contracts?

    33. Tankathon has us taking a draftee named Alpha Kaba with our final pick. He’s a French PF/C with a 7’5″ wingspan who plays for Serbia. I know nothing about him but how can we not take a guy who sounds like a college fraternity?

      http://www.tankathon.com/players/alpha-kaba

    34. First — Melo is a cancer, can’t wait to be rid of him. If he doesn’t waive his NTC he needs to benched fully and not play one more minute or waived. George Karl is 100pct correct.

      Second, I think Oak is OK but by the eye test he seems to make a lot of dumb mistakes. I think that is what keeps his trade value depressed. Based on his stats this year, who are the best comps?

    35. Another solid game from Jerian Grant. The haters who said he can’t play are spreading fake news! Sad!

    36. Reub, 10 years from now:

      “Oh, Grant had his 743rd game without falling down and now everyone wants to bash the great Phil Jackson?”

    37. Grant played against the lowly Nets to follow up on his performance against the lowly Sixers. When he played against a good team like the Knicks this week he couldn’t score a point.

      Oh, and in the game against the Nets today, Grant left Dinwiddie wide open for a game tying three with a minute left..I think he fell asleep. But pure stats wouldn’t show that.

    38. The noblefacehumper 10 years from now:

      “Reub still disagrees with me and is therefore a troll who must be banned. Let’s do it now because I can’t stand another decade of this!”

    39. Just to be clear, I disagree with a lot of people here. You’re literally the only one I think should be banned because you so obviously have no interest in fostering interesting discussion. I agreed with Theo most of the time, and wouldn’t have minded if he was banned too for the same reason.

    40. To be clearer I feel the same way about you but don’t want you banned for it.

    41. Was Theo actually banned because he suddenly stopped posting. Sure hope he was.

      In other news it is *absolutely* imperative that we lose to Philly, as winning puts us in a three way tie with Minnesota and Sacto for picks 6-7-8 if they lose their remaining games.

      I think we’ll end up picking at 6

    42. How crazy is it to ban posters on a basketball blogsite? It’s not like we’re discussing life and death in here. Some of you need to lighten up. A lot.

    43. Yeah, Minny and Sacramento both have a winnable game left on their schedule (Lakers and Suns respectively) so hopefully they win those and we don’t have to sweat the Philly game.

    44. The Bulls lost to the lowly Nets today even with the premiere performance of one Jerian “Big J” Grant and that helps our second round draft pick become a little more valuable. There should be a decent player available there too if Grant keeps playing, er, I mean if the Bulls keep losing.

    45. DRed, who allowed Jeremy Lin and Spencer Dinwiddie to score a combined 52 points in yesterday’s game for the Nets, Where was Grant at the time?

    46. How many Knicks players are clearly more productive than Grant? Two? Maybe three? KOQ and Hernangomez for sure. WS48 prefers Grant to Lee but BPM and WP favor Lee, so probably him too. After that it’s pretty murky. We may have traded the guy who would be our 4th best player for Derrick Rose :(

    47. Grant might become a good player in the future, no doubt about it. Unfortunate, the trade market only seems to value potential performance when its in the form of a draft pick. When its an actual young player who isn’t good yet, you rarely get much for him. Sometimes those players do get good and then everyone says, look what a steal that trade was. But the fact is that, historically, that player value goes to the team that spent time developing him, not to the team that traded him before he was good.

    48. In other news it is *absolutely* imperative that we lose to Philly, as winning puts us in a three way tie with Minnesota and Sacto for picks 6-7-8 if they lose their remaining games.

      I just don’t see either of those teams (especially the Kings) losing out, so I’m not too worried about it, and you know me, I’m plenty willing to presume the worst things will happen with the Knicks (because they generally do), but it just doesn’t seem likely that it would happen.

    49. Grant might become a good player in the future, no doubt about it. Unfortunate, the trade market only seems to value potential performance when its in the form of a draft pick. When its an actual young player who isn’t good yet, you rarely get much for him. Sometimes those players do get good and then everyone says, look what a steal that trade was. But the fact is that, historically, that player value goes to the team that spent time developing him, not to the team that traded him before he was good.

      Historically, teams typically don’t trade first round draft picks after their rookie seasons period, because it is usually not a good idea to dump controllable assets one year after you used a first round pick on them.

    50. That’s true, but when they do trade them, they usually don’t get much.

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