Knicks Morning News (2017.04.03)

  • [SNY Knicks] Celtics cruise to 110-94 win over banged-up Knicks
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:52:52 PM)

    NEW YORK (AP) Isaiah Thomas scored 19 points in just 24 minutes and the Boston Celtics remained atop the Eastern Conference with their 50th victory, beating the New York Knicks 110-94 on Sunday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose to miss remainder of the season with torn meniscus
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 2:16:19 PM)

    Derrick Rose will be shut down for the rest of the season with a torn meniscus in his left knee, the Knicks announced on Sunday.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose, Anthony, Thomas to miss Sunday’s game vs. Celtics
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:31:11 AM)

    Derrick Rose, Carmelo Anthony, and Lance Thomas will miss Sunday’s game against the Boston Celtics, according to Steve Popper of The Record.

  • [SNY Knicks] First-place Celtics hobble into MSG to meet Knicks
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:11:53 AM)

    The Boston Celtics, clinging to first place in the Eastern Conference, will be without guard Avery Bradley when they meet the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden on Sunday.

  • [NYTimes] After Another Knee Injury, Derrick Rose Faces Grim Future With Knicks
    (Monday, April 03, 2017 12:03:11 AM)

    Rose, an impending free agent, has a torn meniscus in his left knee and will miss the final five games of the season.

  • [NYTimes] On Pro Basketball: With Everyone in Tune, Boston Celtics Are a Virtuoso Rebuilding Act
    (Monday, April 03, 2017 1:10:08 AM)

    Coach Brad Stevens and the top executive Danny Ainge have turned a mediocre franchise into a playoff contender. The Knicks should watch and learn.

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Rose’s injury adds on to miserable season
    (Monday, April 03, 2017 4:58:53 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Rose’s injury adds on to miserable season

  • [ESPN] Sources: Ewing to meet with Georgetown brass
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:51:36 PM)

    Sources: Ewing to meet with Georgetown brass

  • [ESPN] Who should be the Knicks’ future point guard with Rose out?
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:29:21 PM)

    Who should be the Knicks’ future point guard with Rose out?

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Rose out for season with torn meniscus
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 1:29:13 PM)

    Knicks’ Rose out for season with torn meniscus

  • [NYDN] You can’t help but feel badly for Knicks’ Derrick Rose
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 9:01:21 PM)

    Age comes at you fast, and with Rose, it arrived a lot faster than with most.

  • [NYDN] Patrick Ewing to reportedly meet with Georgetown for coaching job
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 7:34:07 PM)

    Patrick Ewing is one step closer to coaching his alma mater.

  • [NYDN] Knicks show Celtics their inferior effort level in 110-94 loss
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:39:30 AM)

    You can’t coach effort.

  • [NYDN] Chris Childs: Knicks’ ’99 Finals ceremony snub might be about Oak
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:27:58 AM)

    Why wasn’t he invited? The former point guard believes it may have something to do with supporting Charles Oakley.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose out for season with torn meniscus in left knee
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 7:26:00 PM)

    It was supposed to be a comeback season for Derrick Rose, one in which the former NBA MVP proved to the league that he was healthy and durable and had what it takes to help a team win.

  • [NYPost] Knicks fans are witnessing history: Worst season of all time
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 3:09:41 PM)

    It’s official now. This is the worst season in the history of the Knicks. That’s right: worst season in all 70 of them. Yes, there have been other years when the Knicks have won fewer games than the 29-47 record they currently have after a 110-94 loss to the Celtics Sunday afternoon at the Garden….

  • [NYPost] Celtics give Hornacek all the reason to blame Knicks players
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 11:34:48 AM)

    Once again, Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek saw in the other guys what he wishes he would see in his guys. And it wasn’t just because Boston came out on top in a 110-94 wipeout Sunday at the Garden. Hornacek compared what Boston has built under general manager and president of basketball operations Danny Ainge to…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose optimism vanishes with surgery surprise
    (Sunday, April 02, 2017 9:19:29 AM)

    As recently as Wednesday, Knicks point guard Derrick Rose proclaimed pride in his durability this season. Health, an issue stretching back to his catastrophic knee injury in the 2012 playoffs, was not a major problem this time as Rose played in 64 of 77 games. But that was all the way back on Wednesday. On…

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    69 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.04.03)”

    1. Looks like Phil will probably be saved from making a dumb mistake with Rose now injured again.

      I feel a little bad for Rose – he’s an injury prone dude with a game that fit better 8 years ago than it does now. He’ll have to do some soul-searching, probably take a mid-level type deal for a single prove-it year.

      Meanwhile it really does seem like the #5 vs #6 lottery slot will prob come down to that last game at MSG against Philly. Sac has a game each against the Lakers and Suns, so they probably will at least win one of them. Philly has a game against Brooklyn, but they are playing much better lately, so the Sixers will prob lose that game.

    2. This is what I’m hopin for if a real Melo trade develops in the offseason:
      A package that has Tristan Thompson coming to NY. That would probably be as “even” a trade as we’re gonna get in that regard. I know the possibility of the Clips’ future 1st is intriguing and potentially more valuable. But..Thompson is young, plays D, and pushes KP to the 5 where he is or most likely will be outstanding. The draft is loaded with good PG prospects, so Phil won’t necessarily have to spend the cap room on a PG, but if he does- Patty Mills would be ideal.

      What you guys think? Also, Phil may even be able to get a late 1st this year for KOQ to clear up any logjam at the 4/5 ifmy proposed trade were to happen

    3. Tristan Thompson-Kardashian? This is the easiest no ever. Hell no. And twice on Sundays. The Kardashian Klan must stay far away from Madison Square Garden.

    4. Tristan Thompson-Kardashian? This is the easiest no ever. Hell no. And twice on Sundays. The Kardashian Klan must stay far away from Madison Square Garden.

      LOL! I cannot argue with the Kardashian sentiment- truer words have never been spoken lol
      +1

    5. I guess you guys wouldn’t have wanted James Harden a year ago or Lamar Odom during his best years either :)

      The lady has a type!

    6. In a strange way I think love is more expendable than Thompson in a melo trade.

      They would need defense in the middle if they traded for melo and more than scoring.

    7. Khloe Kardashian-Simpson can stay with whoever she wants. Just keep her and her sisters away from the Knicks, please.

    8. I feel a little bad for Rose

      Career earnings: $116,861,524
      Adidas deal: $185,000,000

      Total: $301,861,524

      #k

    9. Khloe Kardashian-Simpson can stay with whoever she wants. Just keep her and her sisters away from the Knicks, please.

      I don’t have cable and Lady Jowles’ sole outlandish-TV vice is RuPaul’s Drag Race, so I don’t know much about the Kardashians, but wasn’t Lamar Odom’s cocaine use a dealbreaker for her? They’re obnoxious rich people who got rich for being rich, but is she really that terrible of a person?

    10. Tristan Thompson’s contract relative to his production makes that an easy no for me too.

    11. I think it’s a joke that their family ruins every guy that gets involved with them.

      My dads a cab driver who used to drive Odom around in HS. He had drug problems way before the Kardashians though.

    12. Minnesota has a very hard remaining schedule. Five of 7 on the road. Six of 7 against playoff teams. They could catch us in the tankathon if we’re not careful.

    13. The Kardashian girls took inherited wealth and grew it exponentially. They succeed at everything they do. They are the opposite of James Dolan. If they ran the Knicks we’d probably win a title by year 3.

    14. Now that the streak has hit 11 wins in a row, I think that all of the pundits who were calling the end of the Warriors’ dominance should be lined up against a wall and forced to watch Mo Speights highlights until they are declared catatonic.

    15. Jesus, you know the Knicks have fallen to new depths when the longest ongoing discussion on a thread here is about the Kardashian clan.

    16. Jowles the Warriors are peaking too soon

      knowing my disdain for NBA general managers, you should tread lightly

    17. Congratulations to Ewing on getting the Georgetown gig. I always had some doubts about him as a head coaching prospect, but he sure as hell paid his dues and I think that’s a good opportunity for him. I don’t watch much college ball but it seems like coaching is overwhelmingly about recruiting. He won’t have the connections at first I assume but he has the name recognition and a powerful association with Georgetown. I could see him doing well there.

    18. wow, wish patrick the best of luck…i’ve always wondered how he would do when/if he got his chance…

      wasn’t too crazy about him becoming a knicks coach – but, really what difference does it make…red auerbach, pop, phil, whoever – they would all be doomed with the knicks – it just doesn’t seem to really matter for us…

    19. Who’ll win more games next year, us or the Hoyas?

      wait a minute now – don’t the hoyas play about 50 less games than us…hmmmmmm, that’s close, maybe a pick em…

    20. Isn’t it kinda crazy and unique that for almost like 15 years straight, we’re nearing the playoffs, missing them, and have no f-ing clue what our team will look like next year?

    21. Isn’t it crazy how the direction of the entire franchise changed in the instant that Woodson decided to start Kenyon Martin instead of Chris Copeland against the Pacers?

      If he had embraced small-ball, we probably would’ve beaten the Pacers.
      Then we would’ve been in the ECFs.
      We wouldn’t have made the Bargnani trade that offseason. “The East is BIG”.
      We wouldn’t be run by Phil Jackson now.

      Just nuts to think that if Chris Copeland of all people had played for us in one game, we’d be in a totally different place.

    22. Woodson is a really interesting persona, looking back now.

      His goal in Atlanta was to play a positionless lineup with 5 dudes between 6’6″ and 6’9″, and switch like crazy. Prescient.

      Although he was forced into it by injury (and influenced heavily by D’Antoni), he was one of the first to start a 2 PG lineup, and moving Melo to the 4 protected by a mobile rim-protector / roll man in Tyson was also ahead of its time.

      But he didn’t believe in it enough.

    23. @ 26 Sure – but I also think there’s no way of knowing if Cope would have actually worked just bc it did at the end of the regular season in a meaningless preseason game.

      I would trace the downfall to game 3 against the Celtics. We’re riding high, destroying them and JR elbows Terry, gets suspended and what should have been an easy 4 game sweep turns into a 6 game series where melo gets his shoulder dislocated by KG. Sweep the Celtics and we have a week off to rest (important for a veteran team) and practice and game plan for the Pacers. I believe if that happens we probably don’t lose game one in that series and everything is different.

      Of course you can trace it back further that year. Woodson’s insisting to overplay Kidd when Felton was out for 2 months instead of giving Pablo more minutes. Woodson keeping a roster spot for Sheed hoping he’d come back instead of getting Kmart earlier or another player off the bench. Camby never getting into shape and Chandler playing heavy minutes all year, etc.

    24. no man – it all goes back to game six against houston…that was when our destiny truly became derailed…i’ll always blame you for that pat riley…

    25. chandler was getting crucified by hibbert that series.. i think he also got sick or was hurt… i forget… and hibbert was getting a lot of calls when we were driving into him…. we weren’t winning that series…

      i’m pretty sure our downfall came when billups got hurt… he was still very good and i’m sure he had at least a couple good seasons left in him… that was the last opportunity to get melo a viable pg which imo was more important than what chandler gave us…

    26. @Frank

      I think it’s become clear from various reports that Melo did not like being a full time power forward, so to me the best explanation for why K-Mart started is Melo did not want to be abused by David West and specifically requested to be moved back to small forward.

      I know Woodson never really like small-ball, but I think regardless of his level of conviction, the real problem there was the fact that we had an unempowered coach and an overly empowered star.

      The fact that we “fixed” the problem with another guy repped by CAA adds further evidence ot the notion that the move away from small ball and power forward was a result of Melo and so the problem that needed to be fixed wasn’t Woodson but the organization is too star-obsessed.

      These days though, yes, the problem is not with Melo’s power, but wouldn’t that have happened no matter what once Melo declined?

    27. @33 I went to Opening Day for the Mets today. They’re slightly better than the Knicks.

    28. Thor is untouchable. That new circle changeup he’s worked on is going to pay major dividends.

    29. Although he was forced into it by injury (and influenced heavily by D’Antoni), he was one of the first to start a 2 PG lineup, and moving Melo to the 4 protected by a mobile rim-protector / roll man in Tyson was also ahead of its time.

      Didn’t the Mavs win like that in 2011 though? Kidd and Terry (ball-dominant guards), stretch 4 with Dirk, dominant defensive center/roll man in Chandler.

      Also, a weird stat: the 2011 Mavs had an SRS of 4.41, which was the lowest mark since the Lakers won in 2001. To put that in perspective, Popovich has only had a mark lower than that in 2 of his 20 full seasons as the Spurs’ coach.

    30. Also, a weird stat: the 2011 Mavs had an SRS of 4.41, which was the lowest mark since the Lakers won in 2001. To put that in perspective, Popovich has only had a mark lower than that in 2 of his 20 full seasons as the Spurs’ coach.

      The NBA robbed the Kings that postseason.

    31. We wouldn’t have made the Bargnani trade that offseason. “The East is BIG”.

      This is the part of the chain of logic that falls apart to me. If your GM is dumb enough to trade for Andrea Bargnani then he’s dumb enough to do just about anything. Whether we make that specific move is up in the air, but the presumption always seems to be that if we just hadn’t done that we would have done something good instead. I’m not sure that follows. Even if we win against Indy we would’ve lost to Miami. The core problem was that the entire organization didn’t understand why we had success that season. The things that worked they thought were problems to be solved and vice versa. That’s a huge issue that was going to manifest sooner rather than later no matter what I think.

    32. “Thor is untouchable. That new circle changeup he’s worked on is going to pay major dividends.”

      Thor is the real deal. Everyone was applauding when they announced Atlanta pitcher R.A.Dickey’s name today and I did too because he was the guy traded for Thor and D’arnaud.

    33. I don’t think it’s any issue other than the same issue there has always been; the Knicks do not assign proper value to players and are far behind in advanced stats. This is why we need to give Mike Zarren $8M a year to run our organization.

    34. jon abbey, flossy, Z-man et. al used to say “even a broken clock is right twice a day” about my prognostication. The same goes for the Knicks’ front office.

    35. I went to Opening Day for the Mets today. They’re slightly better than the Knicks.

      that sounds like a real good day reub…shoot, the mets seem to have had it together for a couple of years now…

      need to go catch a few ball games this year…it’s funny – angels stadium is closer and easier to get to – but, really like watching games a whole lot more at dodger stadium, great atmosphere for a ball game…

      got a chance to visit petco last year…really nice stadium…

    36. the Knicks do not assign proper value to players and are far behind in advanced stats.

      is there anything at all about phil jackson that screams “advanced stats” follower…talk about going with the eye test – all day, every day…

    37. i found him – this is the guy who we all need to blame:

      Director, Data Analytics & Pro Scout – Mike Smith…’ol mike needs to grab a bottle of wine, roll a few up and have a serious heart to heart with phil…

    38. geo, it was a good day. Any day in New York that ends in a win is a good day.

    39. @40 aw c’mon Jowles, don’t lump me in with the dearly departed. For the record, I’d say that you are more like that annoying cuckoo clock that most people would like to take a sledge hammer to even though it tells time pretty well.

    40. With the season drawing to a close is it too soon to begin rooting for the Yankees to tank just to maintain our momentum here?

    41. With the season drawing to a close is it too soon to begin rooting for the Yankees to tank just to maintain our momentum here?

      interesting question reub…because of the roster sizes of football and baseball, i’m not sure if “tanking” is as effective in those two sports…although, the royals, cubs and astros seemed to make it work well for them recently…

      saw some comment on espn about the yanks not hitting 82 wins this year…my money is on girardi figuring something out…

      not to sure though we’ll see the playoffs again this year…four seasons since we’ve won the al east…

    42. Thor was throwing lots of two-seam fastballs today too, and that’s another nasty weapon in his arsenal. The 96-MPH two-seamer with late movement is just not fair. He was getting squeezed a little bit on balls and strikes today and still dominated.

    43. Congratulations to Patrick Ewing today! I hope everything works out great and he brings a championship to Georgetown.

    44. This might be one of the worst basketball games I’ve ever seen, and I watch Knicks games.

    45. Collins is projected as #11 for next year’s draft per DX. He’s better than that though probably.

      Also these refs are calling it ridiculously tight it’s awful

    46. NCAA refs are always terrible. This game is pathetic. Fouls for days

      NBA such a better product

    47. Worst fckin officiating in history.

      Idk how there will be any other storyline tommorow

    48. NCAA reffing is always awful but this is some of the worst I’ve ever seen it’s upsetting

    49. collins is going to make someone in the lotto really really happy…. he’s a good one…

    50. The sight lines are just terrible in a stadium that big. For the players and the fans

    51. All around awful game. Neither team deserved to win. Refs atrocious

      Love how gonzaga goes to their one ankle gimp on final 2 possessions

    52. yea it was ugly… the 1 seeds weren’t all that good this year… would’ve loved to have seen kansas and duke in the final instead tho…

    53. Heels!

      UK UNC was the real national championship game tbqh

    54. Collins is solid, look forward to seeing him in the league. so much better than karnowski

    55. Refs were bad.
      Justin Jackson was worse.
      Zach Collins might have skills but he looked soft to me.

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