Knicks Morning News (2017.01.23)

  • [NYDN] Phil Jackson’s 10 worst moves with Knicks
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:44:55 PM)

    These aren’t about Phil Jackson’s media and Twitter blunders, which are plentiful and should be embarrassing to any executive.

  • [NYDN] Carmelo Anthony misses potential game-winner in Knicks loss
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:44:21 AM)

    Jeff Hornacek has tried everything.

  • [NYTimes] To Supplement Pay, W.N.B.A. Players Put Their Safety at Risk
    (Monday, January 23, 2017 5:01:11 AM)

    During the off-season, most of those playing abroad were in Turkey, a nation where unrest and violence have fueled concerns back home.

  • [NY Newsday] Close losses raise Knicks’ frustration level
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:31:44 PM)

    Carmelo Anthony plopped himself on the scorers’ table at the Garden with the dazed expression of a man who had relived a bad dream. He didn’t feel the hands on his back — supportive fans patting his shoulder, trying to tell him it was going to be OK. He could only see all the things that went right, and then the one, pivotal thing that went wrong.

  • [NYPost] Knicks must fix this gaping hole in their defense – and fast
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 8:51:33 PM)

    Better late than never? Not in this case. The Knicks lately have shown an irritating habit of locking down defensively in the fourth quarter. Making this practice so annoying is that for large parts of the game leading up to their attempted defense, they look like a team that couldn’t guard a locked door with…

  • [NYPost] Derrick Rose is about to blow — which won’t help him get calls
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:25:38 PM)

    At some point you expect Derrick Rose to erupt and say, “I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore!” That was the line from Peter Finch’s character in the movie “Network,” but it was also the look on Rose’s face following the Knicks’ 107-105 loss to the Suns on Saturday…

  • [NYPost] The Knicks are losing these games as painfully as possible
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 12:36:25 PM)

    The Knicks have won six times this season in games decided by four points or fewer. Now before you proclaim the Knicks the new Cardiac Kids, realize they’ve also lost seven games by four points or fewer. Two of the defeats have been in their past two outings, five of them in January, six in…

  • [SNY Knicks] Was clutch performance against Knicks an audition for PJ Tucker?
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:02:22 AM)

    PJ Tucker looked like he came out with hunger to prove his worth against the Knicks on Saturday night.

  • [SNY Knicks] Anthony, Knicks disappointed in latest missed opportunity
    (Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:39:52 AM)

    With the ball in the final seconds on Saturday night, Carmelo Anthony heaved up a last-second 3-pointer, but the ball circled the rim and came out, as the Knicks fell to the Suns by two points.

  • [ESPN] Monday’s Knicks News: Anthony focused on the present
    (Monday, January 23, 2017 5:11:19 AM)

    Monday’s Knicks News: Anthony focused on the present

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    33 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.01.23)”

    1. Trading Stump and JR to the Cavs for 2 second round picks + assorted garbage was pretty bad. While I’m not a fan of either player, they are NBA rotation players on a championship team. Small return for two guys who are contributing. The Tyson Chandler trade was not award winning either.

    2. Iman Shumpert is a career 0.65 WS/48 player. I think we really overvalued our assets from that team.

    3. I can’t kill Phil for that trade. JR was staying out every night and jacking up horrible shots left and right; he was a huge drag on the team. The idea that he would pick up his player option and be back for another year was tough to take. He had to go.

      When he got to Cleveland he suddenly shaped up and then blamed everyone else for his lack of discipline in New York.

    4. The problem is organizational, if the Knicks can’t control JR and the Cavs can, it’s not on PJ.

    5. @4

      Seems like the Cavs are having similar problems with JRs antics. He’s just an airhead.

    6. 1. I spent last night replaying videos from Linsanity. Man. I highly recommend it, especially if you are depressed over the Knicksing Knicks, and had great positive vibes at the time. (Chandler alley-oops, steals and transition layups, ball movement, Novakaine…. man oh man)

      2. I spent the next few minutes thinking about the team right now. I KNOW, I mean I absolutely KNOW, that when we give up open threes and allow penetrating guards straight to a foul/layup, it’s because Melo or Rose couldn’t be bothered to defend at some point. (I also know that some of Hornacek’s most disgusted faces have been directed at Rose’s poor D, and it makes me happy that at least someone sees it there)… Defense has been an issue every year Melo has been with us. That’s with horrible guardplay, but also with people like Tyson Chandler, and some decent players like Shumpert and JR. If you subtract Melo and Rose, the defense will be better. And probably Rambis too.

      3. Signs have pointed to a major shakeup either before the trade deadline or offseason. I don’t expect either Rose or Melo to be here next year.

    7. If we could see our way to losing the next five very loseable games, would be amazing for thetank and thetrade. @Ind, @Dal, vsCha, @Atl, @Was…we can do it.

    8. a whole 10 comments on a monday, with a night game to follow…ugh, looks like the knicks season is starting to hit all of us hard…

      it kinda feels like at this stage of the season – most of us fans here are just waiting for something to happen…who will we trade or fire…

      we’re only two losses from having a chance at a top 5 pick and 3 losses away from being in the 8th seed…man, what a shitty predicament to be in…

    9. @11… nail on the head… i’m just waiting… sad when the most exciting piece(s) of the season is/are the drama… once i accept that, I sure do look forward to it… i still want to win though… i am not for the tank… but i am for more drama if the team goes down 30 early… what will happen next

    10. sad when the most exciting piece(s) of the season is/are the drama

      funny part is – it’s not exactly like this is some kind of rare occurrence – the same thing happens pretty much every flipping year…

      but, just like a real “sucker” – at the beginning of each season, i sign up for the same ride again and again…

      worst yet, at the first sign of any small glimmer of hope i desperately hang on and try to amplify it as much as possible…

      I don’t know how familiar any of you might be with a song from the Offspring called ‘self esteem’…that song pretty much says it all for knick fans:

      I wrote her off for the tenth time today
      And practiced all the things I would say
      But she came over, I lost my nerve
      I took her back and made her dessert…

      Well, I guess I should stick up for myself
      But I really think it’s better this way
      The more you suffer
      The more it shows you really care
      Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah

    11. Embrace The Tank. Once you gaze at the abyss of failure this season will assume a glorious new purpose.

    12. What’s nice about this abyss is that it doesn’t gaze back. It doesn’t give a shit about you at all.

    13. There are 11 teams that have between 15 and 19 wins. Right now we are “leading” that pack with 19 wins, relegating us to the 13th pick. But if Phil is willing to make a couple key moves (trading KOQ and Jennings, resting Zinger to preserve his health, by some miracle convincing Melo to accept a trade), we could move up quickly in that race to the bottom. Only 3.5 games separate us from the #4 pick (Phoenix).

    14. If this team gets serious, we can secure a top-3 pick. As I’m learning from Donald Trump, there’s two types of people in this world. Those who divide people into two groups and everyone else. Winners and Losers, and this is a team that can win at losing.

    15. But if Phil is willing to make a couple key moves (trading KOQ and Jennings, resting Zinger to preserve his health, by some miracle convincing Melo to accept a trade), we could move up quickly in that race to the bottom. Only 3.5 games separate us from the #4 pick (Phoenix).

      Exactly my point! We are so close to assuming a high draft position in a stacked draft. But it only happens if we have the courage to be honest about the poor state of this team and work towards a tank to the bottom.

    16. I see Brooklyn, LA, Sacto, and Miami as the only teams that are almost a sure bet to finish worse than us. The others are very much up in the air. As presently constituted, we have too much talent to lose every game consistently. We’ll start winning a few of these close ones again — just enough to win 34 games. We need Phil to accept the tank and start making moves.

    17. It sounds like you want to overtank. If the 12th pick is as good as the 2nd or the 4th then why overtank? We all need to strive for moderation in everything.

    18. As presently constituted, we have too much talent to lose every game consistently. We’ll start winning a few of these close ones again — just enough to win 34 games. We need Phil to accept the tank and start making moves.

      So true. He has to bite the bullet and admit to Melo that this team is a dud and a trade is in everyone’s best interests. I bet Phil could aid the whole situation by trading a few players from the team first. Losing Jennings and other veterans would give Melo a clear and present message that we’re definitely going in another direction.

    19. If the 12th pick is as good as the 2nd or the 4th then why overtank?

      Um, its not. Who circulated this stupid idea?

    20. JR and Shump combined make almost as much as Melo was. I don’t think that was a bad deal. lance has been as productive as Shump. What was maybe a bad deal was 2 1’s for Mosgov. but, they won a title with him.

    21. @22

      Agreed. KOQ and Jennings could both fetch actual value — KOQ because of his solid play and good contract and Jennings because he plays a position of need and is making very little money. Justin Holiday would be very easy to move too; I like him more than Lee but he’s a FA.

      If Phil gets future assets for those guys, which should be pretty easy to do, maybe Melo will get the message and reluctantly agree to go.

    22. I think the most Knicks thing about the season is we are actually about a dozen good possessions (so about 5 minutes of solid play) from having a relatively respectful record taking into account the number of close games we’ve dropped over the season. I mean even if we had won the majority we are still realistically in purgatory but the dopamine hit of living in the fog of an ignorant bliss and winning record might be nice for a bit.

      On trading KOQ, from a business perspective I get it, but I think if you are going to commit to the tank you are going to need to keep a good locker room guy around for when the loses mount. As much as we talk about clearing house and bringing in assets and value; I don’t think we can underestimate the value of good veterans with a positive presence. I think that’s were Philly have erred. Not saying they have a team of douche bags, but that team could have been better over the last couple of years witha but more veteran presence (think Kurt Thomas kind of guys).

    23. @dtrickey

      are you taking into account all the close games we won at the beginning of the season? Personally, I think our recent failures in close games are just making up for our incredible luck in november and december

    24. yeah, each year i’m feeling more and more like fox mulder – i want to believe!!!

      the dopamine hit of living in the fog of an ignorant bliss and winning record might be nice for a bit.

      yes, give me another hit of that msg media bong…sure, things really aren’t that bad…we’re getting closer and closer to being in continual contention…we must just be one old, tired, over priced vet away from being a true contender…

      at this point – it sure does feel like we’re all waiting on phil to finally pull the plug – again…

    25. are you taking into account all the close games we won at the beginning of the season? Personally, I think our recent failures in close games are just making up for our incredible luck in november and december

      Oh yeah absolutely. When it’s all said and done we are also pretty close to having one of the worst records in the league as well, so the season has been on a knifes edge either way. Ultimately good teams close out games, and the team hasn’t really done that well regardless of the result.

      yes, give me another hit of that msg media bong…sure, things really aren’t that bad…we’re getting closer and closer to being in continual contention…we must just be one old, tired, over priced vet away from being a true contender…

      Ha ha credit where credit is due, the MSG team do a pretty good job of selling a pretty shitty product to the masses.

    26. I think the most Knicks thing about the season is we are actually about a dozen good possessions (so about 5 minutes of solid play) from having a relatively respectful record taking into account the number of close games we’ve dropped over the season

      We could very easily be 23-23 without having played any better and there’s be a loud clamor to extend clutch winner Derrick Rose for 25 million a season

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