Knicks Morning News (2017.01.13)

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks bounce back, defeat Bulls, 104-89
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:13:58 PM)

    Bouncing back from a tough loss in Philadelphia Wednesday, the Knicks defeated the Bulls 104-89 Thursday at Madison Square Garden.

  • [SNY Knicks] Daily News Live: Stefan Bondy talks Knicks’ recent skid after loss to 76ers
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:50:36 PM)

    Stefan Bondy joins DNL to talk Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Rose, Kristaps Porzingis and the Knicks most recent meltdown against the 76ers.

  • [SNY Knicks] Porzingis out again with sore Achilles
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:37:15 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis will miss the Knicks’ game against the Bulls Thursday with a sore Achilles.

  • [SNY Knicks] Rose expected to seek max contract after the season
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:00:43 PM)

    Knicks G Derrick Rose is expected to seek a max contract when he becomes a free agent after the season.

  • [SNY Knicks] Ndour, Plumlee recalled from Westchester
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 3:25:00 PM)

    The Knicks have recalled Maurice Ndour and Marshall Plumlee from their D-League affiliate in Westchester, the team announced.

  • [SNY Knicks] Knicks embarrassed by loss to Sixers
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:35:16 AM)

    The Knicks blew a 10-point lead in the final two minutes against the 76ers in Philadelphia on Wednesday night, losing on a buzzer-beater.

  • [NYTimes] Knicks 104, Bulls 89: Knicks Find Their Footing Without a Hobbled Kristaps Porzingis
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 5:17:22 AM)

    Porzingis missed the game with a sore Achilles’ tendon, but the Knicks beat the Chicago Bulls to earn their second win in 11 games.

  • [NYTimes] With a Healthy Joel Embiid, the Philadelphia 76ers Glimpse a Brighter Future
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 12:49:50 AM)

    The long-suffering team is on a 4-1 streak, and Embiid is nearing an All-Star berth.

  • [NYPost] Knicks face a moment of truth regarding Porzingis’ Achilles
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:36:16 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis did not play Thursday night because of that troubling left Achilles. Still, the Knicks finally won a game, beating the Bulls, the worst 3-point shooting team in the NBA, 104-89, at the Garden. Derrick Rose (17 points) won back the fans in his first game at the Garden since going AWOL Monday, while…

  • [NYPost] Rose, Carmelo and a rookie lead Knicks to drought-busting win
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:52:38 PM)

    If only Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah and the Knicks could face the Bulls every game. With the season turning into another catastrophe and Kristaps Porzingis scratched from the lineup with recurring Achilles tendon pain, the Bulls served as a panacea for one night as Rose scored 17 points and Noah notched a double-double against their…

  • [NYPost] Kristaps Porzingis’ Achilles injury now a lingering problem
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:59:36 PM)

    The Achilles pain is back. Kristaps Porzingis missed a game for the fourth time this season — sitting with Achilles soreness Thursday night as the Knicks beat the Bulls 104-89 at the Garden. That came one day after his last-second airball in Philadelphia helped cost the Knicks the game when the 76ers scored on a…

  • [NYPost] Six reasons why it’s only going to get worse for Knicks
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:43:08 AM)

    The Sixers inventive marketing/digital department staged a “Shirley Temple’’ night at Wells Fargo Center to improve Joel Embiid’s All-Star chances with help from his favorite drink. After unsung point guard T.J. McConnell’s stunning turnaround buzzer-beating jumper after shedding himself from Carmelo Anthony, Thursday’s back page of the Philly Daily News blared: “Shirley You Jest!” “Shirley You…

  • [NYDN] Knicks’ Kristaps Porzingis out vs. Bulls with sore Achilles
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:27:00 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis is out for the Knicks’ Thursday night game against the Bulls with a sore Achilles.

  • [NYDN] Knicks get much-needed win over Bulls as Rose gets warm welcome
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:25:18 PM)

    The Knicks desperately needed this victory, desperately needed to stop the bleeding.

  • [NYDN] Knicks fans voice their discontent with Derrick Rose’s no-show
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 7:24:59 PM)

    Derrick Rose was present and accounted for Thursday at the Garden for the Knicks’ first home game since he went AWOL earlier this week.

  • [NYDN] Taj Gibson was worried for Derrick Rose when he went AWOL
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:33:43 AM)

    Taj Gibson still considers Derrick Rose to be a close friend.

  • [NYDN] Dwyane Wade doubts Carmelo would waive Knicks no-trade clause
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:13:48 AM)

    The Knicks’ season is spiraling out of control. So naturally, Carmelo Anthony trade rumors have started to swirl.

  • [NY Newsday] Knicks protect lead this time to beat Bulls
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 12:39:19 AM)

    The Knicks found themselves in a very familiar position, leading by double digits down the stretch. No lead has been safe lately, but this was one they wouldn’t give up.

  • [NY Newsday] Derrick Rose makes presence felt in Knicks’ win over Bulls
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:38:03 PM)

    Three days after his no-show at Madison Square Garden, Derrick Rose was an undeniable presence there Thursday night.

  • [NY Newsday] Kristaps Porzingis again sits out with sore Achilles
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:51:12 PM)

    Kristaps Porzingis’ troublesome left Achilles flared up again and kept him out of Thursday night’s game against the Bulls. There is concern that it could be a lingering issue that forces him to be in and out of the lineup.

  • [ESPN] Friday’s Knicks News: Melo plays big in win over Bulls
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 5:57:19 AM)

    Friday’s Knicks News: Melo plays big in win over Bulls

  • [ESPN] Should Knicks fans be quick to push D-Rose out of New York?
    (Friday, January 13, 2017 2:50:16 AM)

    Should Knicks fans be quick to push D-Rose out of New York?

  • [ESPN] Rose hopes absence doesn’t taint Knicks future
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:06:54 PM)

    Rose hopes absence doesn’t taint Knicks future

  • [ESPN] Knicks’ Porzingis out vs. Bulls with sore Achilles
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 6:25:03 PM)

    Knicks’ Porzingis out vs. Bulls with sore Achilles

  • [ESPN] Predictions: Will Knicks trade Melo, Rose?
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:47:46 AM)

    Predictions: Will Knicks trade Melo, Rose?

  • [ESPN] Did Phil Jackson’s offseason moves make the Knicks worse?
    (Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:00:41 PM)

    Did Phil Jackson’s offseason moves make the Knicks worse?

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    90 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2017.01.13)”

    1. The turd on top of this shit sandwich of a season would be the Celtics getting the #1 pick, which right now they have a good chance of. Although the Heat, Mavs, Suns and Sixers will hopefully give the Nets a run for their money.

    2. If the Celtics ended up getting the #1 pick, I would assume they would not use it on a point guard. Although, I think Fultz would fit in quite nicely in Bean Town.

    3. We have to at least be in a position where we can draft Harry Giles (and I think he might slide like Sullinger did) on draft night. I really want a guard but we need to lose at least 50 games to get one of the top 5 guard prospects this year. Even then we might fall out of contention.

    4. Lottery picks are a better strategy than the Derrick Rose extension.

      I will say, though, that there should be a chance George Hill gets out of Utah since they have to pay both of Hayward and Hill max contracts. Hill is the older of the two so I can see him shaking free. That doesn’t mean he’ll sign here, but there’s a chance he leaves Utah.

    5. Hill is a good player, but isn’t he out of this teams optimal age range? If we must go with a FA Jrue Holiday is more in line with the KP timeline. The next question really is to determine whether Willy, Kuz, Holiday and anyone else can be starters on a deep playoff team or more like 8-10th men.

    6. mfw this team can’t even tank properly

      It’s going to be OK, however. At ease, my tank brigade comrades. Prudently sitting KP to rest his Achilles should right the ship soon enough.

    7. The C’s are too good and smart an organization to not select the best available player at #1. Isaiah Thomas is having a career year, but he’s still a 5’9″ PG. He’s probably got 2 years left before he turns into a pumpkin — that’s just how it is for players that size. (Nate Robinson, an inferior but briefly-good player, was bottom-tier NBA reserve by his age 29 season.)

      If they pass on Fultz and Ball because Isaiah Thomas is exceeding every conceivable expectation, they deserve to end up with an Anthony Bennett. It’s not likely to happen.

    8. I really hate this idea of tanking for a 5-10 pick. Those are not exactly sure things.

      I think building through FA acquisition is less of a sure thing. Adding a 5-10 pick player, at minimum, is adding a useful trade asset for dirt cheap. Even if he busts, it doesn’t harm the long term future of the team.

      A bad FA deal is more difficult to move on from.

    9. Isaiah Thomas is having a career year, but he’s still a 5’9? PG. He’s probably got 2 years left before he turns into a pumpkin — that’s just how it is for players that size. (Nate Robinson, an inferior but briefly-good player, was bottom-tier NBA reserve by his age 29 season.)

      That’s probably true. I feel sad about that — I really enjoy watching Thomas and his wizardry on offense.

    10. The Knicks will likely be favored in only two of their 10 remaining January games. If they go 2-8 they’ll be 20-30 overall, which would be approximately the 9th worst record in the league.

    11. I enjoy nothing about Isaiah Thomas because he is a Celtic. I hope the Celtics end up with the #3 pick and take Josh Jackson. Josh Jackson will not be a good pro.

    12. Extend Derrick Rose and stick with the win-now strategy. Fire Hornacek, promote Rambis. The multi-year stealth tank. That’s the play.

    13. dough, I agree with you re. draft picks are less risky than FAs. I just don’t see tanking as a quick fix. there isn’ t one. I could be sold on selling whoever we can at the break for whatever we can get, even if it’s a bunch of 2’s or a 1 in 3 years.

    14. I wonder how low Dennis Smith Jr will fall in the draft. I don’t think he gets passed Dallas, but I could see teams taking Fultz, Ball, Jackson, Monk, Ntilikina, Fox, Isaac, and Tatum ahead of him depending on things like stupidity and need. Next thing you know Ivan Rabb and Lauri Markkanen get picked ahead of young DS Jr and we might have a chance at him. Nobody is really talking about him on this board but he’s a player.

      BTW it REALLY sucks that Philly will have two top 10 picks in this guard heavy draft.

    15. why doesnt anyone want anthony bennett?

      Because he is bad at basketball. Bennett was a shocking #1 pick at the time, in a weak draft. Antentokoumpo (#15) is the only superstar level player from that year – and he is a product of great development since his drafting much more than a great player at the time.

    16. But it is not so crazy because, on many draft boards, Bennett was between 4 & 8. It is not so rare for a #6 pick to wash out of the league before his second contract. For example, Jan Vesaly (#6 in the 2011 draft) was out of the league after 3 seasons.

    17. Back to yesterday’s commentary on Lance- now that we know how many games he’s scored double digits in, does anyone know how many games this year he’s put up zero points? Just off the top of my head there’s been at least a couple. What a waste of fucking cap space….

      NY Knicks, where mediocre players go to have a few good games, cash in on a big contract, and then turn into dog shit useless overpaid players.

    18. Because he is bad at basketball. Bennett was a shocking #1 pick at the time, in a weak draft. Antentokoumpo (#15) is the only superstar level player from that year – and he is a product of great development since his drafting much more than a great player at the time.

      Rudy Gobert (career VORP 9.1, BPM 4.2, WS48 .186, WP48 .310) sends his regards.

      Still, it’s a weak draft class.

      Everyone needs to chill on the draft class hype. You can’t have 6 hall-of-fame PGs in the same class. Even if they all excel (near-impossible), the higher quality-of-play becomes the new normal, making it even more difficult to find value over replacement. Of course you’d rather have one of those players than not, but the odds are that two of them at most will be superstar-level players.

    19. I would not sell low on Lance. He’s got a good skillset for the modern NBA and is locked into a reasonable contract. Plantar fasciitis is supposed to be extremely painful. I’d like to see what he does on two healthy feet before giving up on him.

      Worst case scenario is he sucks while making $7 mil. You can live with that. Compare that to the Noah and Melo contracts or a horrifying Rose extension and he’s not even close to being this team’s biggest problem.

    20. He’s a combo guard microwave type player off the bench. If we were a few inches taller he’d probably go #1-2. Some worry about his size against NBA athletes. Not an impact player player defensively.

      I’ve seen the Monta Ellis comparison a few times.

    21. I would not sell low on Lance. He’s got a good skillset for the modern NBA and is locked into a reasonable contract. Plantar fasciitis is supposed to be extremely painful. I’d like to see what he does on two healthy feet before giving up on him.

      Worst case scenario is he sucks while making $7 mil. You can live with that. Compare that to the Noah and Melo contracts or a horrifying Rose extension and he’s not even close to being this team’s biggest problem.

      Well, you can’t trade him, so I agree.

      Lance Thomas has always been good, though, at being an extra body on the floor who won’t absolutely kill you while he’s out there, so yeah, he is definitely low on the list of major problems on the Knicks. The fact that he is not a particularly good defender and yet is clearly their best perimeter player and one of their best on the ball defenders, though, is a major problem with the Knicks.

    22. If Lance could stop taking shots inside the arc that aren’t wide open then he would be much better off.

    23. Lance is a good long-term tank asset. If he ever gets to play extended minutes he’ll really help the tanking effort.

    24. Frank Ntilikina is the answer to our perimeter defense. Watch this quick video and realize the possibilities for this 18 year old young man as his body matures into adulthood. That’s what a very willing and active defender with a 7’0 wingspan and guard quickness can do in perimeter defense.

      PS – he’s going to have to learn not to reach in as aggressively the way KP still does. In the Euroleagues that’s still legal but its coachable.

    25. The age old Lance Thomas debate. Is he the 14th man on a good team or the 9th man on a bad team? I remember getting pushback in the offseason against the idea that Courtney Lee was an average player.

    26. If Lance could stop taking shots inside the arc that aren’t wide open then he would be much better off.

      Oh, he definitely should stop ever trying to make offensive moves and just camp out and wait for kick out threes. When he looks for his own offense, it’s like, “What are you doing, dude?!?”

    27. Lance is not good, and his contract is extremely dumb, but he’s pretty far down on the list of Knicks problems

    28. ntilinka looks great against a Bunch of scrubs

      The same chauvinistic stupidity which had Jahlil Okafor and D’Angelo Russell drafted over KP. France just won the U18 and the last two times they won that tournament they had very good future NBAers (Tony Parker in 2000 and Nicolas Batum in 2006). Right now, you’re looking at an 18 year old playing against grown ass professionals who is the youngest PG in this draft with the best physical measurables.

    29. Looking back at the rose trade, sure would’ve been nice to get a first out of that deal

      Remember the good ol’ days when we were all discussing the possibility of a Rose trade and saying, “Okay, they should be willing to take Rose off of their hands, but only if the Bulls throw in a first round pick.” And then…well…you know.

    30. Ntilikina plays as an off guard professionally. He plays PG for the national team. I don’t know what that means.

    31. I’m all for njilintka… convince Phil to call the cabs and deal melo for all they’re trade exceptions , shump and a first … then we move our two firsts for in another deal for a top 3

    32. Fultz, Ball, and Ntilikina all have great shots at being premier guards in the NBA. The 2015 draft produced KAT, KP, and Myles Turner (WCS and Jahlil Okafor still have time to turn it around, too) so it’s not exactly impossible that 3+ guys from the same draft class can play a position at a high level. I don’t have much faith in De’Aaron Fox and Dennis Smith is hard to gauge, but this is the best PG draft class I’ve ever seen. This won’t happen again.

    33. It doesn’t mean anything. For one thing, he played the point the year before for his professional and showed good PnR skills. They moved him to off-guard because he’s a very good shooter and the guy who they’re playing at point has more experience there. For another thing, so what? We run a triangle set in the half court anyway. You don’t need a “pure PG.” Remember Ron Harper? He had length and a very good 3-ball. Ntilikina is a match for our defensive needs and even fits our scheme.

    34. @46 Frank Ntilikina plays for a team that according to reports has very good PG talent.

    35. Also, the reason Markelle Fultz’s buzz got so big so early was his standout performances at the U18 tournament this summer when the USA won gold. U18 dominance isn’t something to write off.

    36. What’s a pure pg?

      Leave it to DRed to ask the right question. A true point guard (IMO) does the following:

      Directs the flow of the offense and is a floor general.
      Can penetrate and score. (And I don’t mean in a menage-a-trois)
      Can stretch the floor with his jumper.
      Makes others better and prefers passing over shooting the ball.
      Guards. Why can’t guards guard anymore?
      Leads. Holds everyone accountable. Is an example and a role model.

    37. Relax, boys.

      We need to tank properly before fighting over Tankilina’s skills.

      Play Lance Thomas major minutes, center the offense around Noah and ask Jennings to shoot more. That would do it.

    38. Its drives me nuts that we’re not tanking. Go onto Derrick Rose’s highlight page for the Bulls game. These dumb motherfuckers are slobbing his junk for a 17 point, 4 assist game. I am arguing with someone who thinks this is a playoff caliber team. I just can’t fathom the level of stupidity which deludes the mass of Knicks fans who support this current team.

    39. @55

      Yeah, with young guys like KP, Jokic, and Giannis coming into the NBA being the MVP of a U18 tournament like Ntilikina was this year is a pretty deal now.

    40. I really like when there are “scouting” videos that don’t show any negative plays by a player. Focus on the successes, ignore the failures. Perfect.

    41. Would Ivan Rabb be a good pick for us in the mid rounds? High IQ, beast on the boards, good defensive instincts and efficient. Sounds like he would make a good frontcourt partner for KP.

    42. @60

      Go to any scouting report on Ntilikina. You will find the same appraisal of his hawkish on the ball defense.

    43. The good news is this draft is deep at both of the Knicks’ biggest positions of needs: point guards and athletic wings.

      Man it would be nice to nab another mid-first rounder. We did manage to trade THJ for the 19th pick, so never say never.

    44. I get that there are 5 good pg prospects in the draft and that pg is a need we have but honestly if we don’t snag one would getting the best wing player or shooting guard be the worst thing in the world? We have needs at PG, SG, SF. We could trade Lee. We could trade KQ. Melo is only getting older and will play less minutes if he stays. We just need youth and talent at every position. I’d love to draft a PG of the future but we could lose the best available player when we draft if we become myopic and only focus on the best PG available. If we draft mid first round and all the PGs are gone then that might mean a really good wing prospect has dropped and been overlooked.

    45. I am arguing with someone who thinks this is a playoff caliber team

      there’s a pretty decent chance it is. Now, is this a good team? No, but there are going to be some pretty bad teams getting bounced in the first round this year.

    46. By pretty decent chance, I mean like a 15 to 20% chance. This team isn’t that good, but neither are the other teams chasing the 8 seed.

    47. Yeah, the Eastern Conference is so freakin’ weak past #3. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Knicks defeated any of the teams ranked #4-12 on any given night. “No way, they beat the Hawks!?! is not something I would ever say this season. So making it to #8 is not that hard. Probably too hard for this team, but not too hard in general.

    48. Sure, the Knicks could make the playoffs, but this team’s defense is just horrible and not likely to improve. They’re gonna lose a lot of games.

      Melo and Rose are in complete denial about their roles in all this. They keep saying “we” need to improve, etc., but I think “they” is what they really mean. Watch them try to blame this on Rambis.

    49. I would be so disappointed if we didn’t tank and instead got swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

    50. I would be so disappointed if we didn’t tank and instead got swept in the 1st round of the playoffs.

      Me, as well, but I really think that that is where the team is heading. Hopefully they fall short enough to at least get a lottery pick.

    51. Right now we’re 17th overall (13th pick most likely) but we’re only 4.5 games from 24th (6th pick most likely). We need to sit some guys the fuck down and/or trade them, or else this season is going to become precisely what team pessimist said it would. Believe it or not, none of us actually want that to come to pass. I can only hope the front office is aware of just how damaging a ~38 win, 8-10 seed season would be and does what it can to avoid that.

    52. According to ESPN, we have a 13.5% chance of making the playoffs a 4% chance of a top 3 lotto pick.

    53. The upcoming 17 games leading up to the trade deadline may decide our fate. 12 games against .500 teams and 5 vs. sub .500 teams.

    54. This team has a .400 winning percentage in terms of EWL. If they play at that pace the rest of the season, that adds up to 17-25. That would make the Knicks a 35-win team. But if they regress in terms of Pythag luck they could easily play at that rate but end up with two fewer wins, which would make them a 33-win team.

      But maybe they get unlucky with injuries– Porzingis is already going to miss some time. Then you’re maybe getting into the 30 win zone, and a probable top 10 pick.

    55. They could also easily play a game or two over that and end up with 37 wins and a nice ass kicking from the Cavs

    56. They could also easily play a game or two over that and end up with 37 wins and a nice ass kicking from the Cavs

      Oh, of course. I mean, this is the New York Knicks. Whatever is the least beneficial thing is what will probably happen, I’m aware of that.

    57. Holy crap, Isaiah Thomas is ridiculous. 7 points in the last minute, including the game winner with 2 seconds left. He’s the leading scorer in the NBA in 4th quarters.

      Maybe we have to stop saying the Celtics need a star player.

    58. The Toronto game will be the half-way point in the season. I have them on pace to win 42 games (based on pre-season predictions). But they are currently so much worse than I thought – at least these past two weeks. While it would be entertaining to make the playoffs, I see the logic in tanking. Sadly, with the execption of a handful of seasons, I could have said the exact same thing pretty much every year for the past 4 decades.

    59. Apparently me being on a cruise doesn’t have the same effect on the Knicks as Reub being on a cruise does.

    60. @70

      After reading the Ringer’s recent draft article, I’m not sold on Dennis Smith. A 6’3 wingspan, questionable jumper, and he’s turned the ball over against defenses with elite (read: NBA-level) athleticism.

      If he’s the only point that falls to the Knicks, they should take him but I won’t like it.

    61. Dennis Smith Jr. shoots 37.7% from 3 on 4.5 attempts a game and his 2PT% is 50.6. He has an eFG% of .525 and a TS% of .574. I don’t like him more than Ball, Fultz, and Ntilikina but I’d take him and shut up. I watch him and see Chris Paul’s little brother (if he had a little brother that cared more about scoring).

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