Knicks Morning News (2016.06.17)

  • [ESPN.com – New York Knicks] Friday's Knicks Links: Linsanity ignored in 'MSG Countdown' (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:23:51 EST)

    Friday's Knicks Links: Linsanity ignored in 'MSG Countdown'

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers 115, Warriors 101 | Series is tied, 3-3: LeBron James and Cavaliers Rout Warriors, Forcing Game 7 (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 03:57:37 GMT)

    James, appearing in his sixth straight finals, scored 41 points for the second straight game to help send the N.B.A. finals to a decisive contest set for Sunday.

  • [New York Times] On Pro Basketball: For Warriors’ Stephen Curry, Staying Power Is Pushed to the Limits (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:28:29 GMT)

    Curry is focused on the 48-minute task of winning an N.B.A. title, shaking off talk of possible injuries taking a toll.

  • [New York Times] James Delivers Majestic Performance to Keep Cavs Alive (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:00:28 GMT)

    LeBron James had a majestic performance on Thursday to put the Cleveland Cavaliers on the brink of a maiden title and keep the Golden State Warriors from celebrating an NBA championship on his home court for a second straight year.

  • [New York Times] Cavaliers Dump Warriors to Force Game Seven to NBA Finals (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:45:27 GMT)

    The Cleveland Cavaliers took another step in their historic comeback attempt with a 115-101 win over the Golden State Warriors on Thursday to force a once-unthinkable decisive seventh game to the NBA Finals.

  • [New York Times] Warriors Lose Composure in Humbling Defeat to Cavaliers (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 05:30:27 GMT)

    The shell-shocked Golden State Warriors, who were once in complete control of the NBA Finals, are suddenly flirting with disaster after being forced to a decisive seventh game of the NBA Finals.

  • [New York Times] The Latest: Cavaliers Force Game 7, Beat Warriors 115-101 (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 03:51:55 GMT)

    The Latest on Game 6 of the NBA Finals between the Golden State Warriors and the Cleveland Cavaliers (all times local):

  • [New York Post] How despicable Knicks pretend Linsanity never happened (Fri, 17 Jun 2016 03:12:16 -0400)

    If I were a rich man … I don't think I'd want to own a ball club. Writing fat checks to fellas who feel it beneath them to run to first or to catch with both hands — no matter how many easy outs they have dropped — and to sportsmen such as Draymond Green and…

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    85 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.06.17)”

    1. What a game last night.

      Lebron, man. He was just amazing. Like Z-man said — Curry is awesome, easily the greatest shooter in NBA history, and is a great passer and maybe an underrated defender. But one might actually take his teammate Klay Thompson over him in a “start a team from scratch” draft just on the basis of Klay’s size and far better defensive game. One could never say that about Lebron.

      I still think GS is going to win game 7 just because playing at home is such an advantage, but not having Bogut, and especially having an obviously injured Iguodala is a huge problem for them. Iggy has been amazing, but it must be so hard physically to have had to guard Durant for 7 games and now Lebron for 6. If Tyronn Lue were a great coach (which I don’t think he is), he should have considered going right at Iguodala, or running action to get him to do things he can’t do well because of his back. In addition, I would’ve thought about Hack-an-Iggy because he just could not do anything requiring his legs.

      Last thought – not sure which radio program I heard it on yesterday, but re: KP, someone made the point that his skill with media is Jeter-like — and I totally agree. The dude is just so smooth, never says anything controversial, always gives Melo the proper respect.

      But that said – his distinct lack of support for Rambis (and probably some tacit disapproval of the way Rambis used him) says something too. So happy NotKurt NotRambis is our coach now.

      Anyone heard anything about our assistant coaching staff? Seems to have gone completely silent.

    2. The Warriors have accomplished something that I thought was totally impossible in this Finals — they’ve made me want LeBron to win. They’ve completely lost their composure, they’ve behaved like petulant crybabies, and they’ve acted like all they had to do was show up and they would be awarded the title. They’ve started most games as if it’s an all-star game — dribbling upcourt, going one on five and jacking up ridiculous contested shots — and then they’ve acted stunned when they’re down 15 in the first quarter. And players’ wives should always stay off social media. It never ends well.

    3. One last thought about Curry.

      His entire offensive game is based on his ability to make what would be for anyone else very low percentage shots (he’s obviously super skilled in all kinds of ways, but his game is based on the fact that you have to guard him 30 feet from the basket). And I sort of feel like that has permeated the other parts of his game. lots of risky passes, all the reaching he does on defense. Some of those fouls were ticky-tack last night but dude, what are you doing playing in foul trouble trying to pick freaking Uncle Drew’s pocket 35 feet from the basket, trying to steal the ball in the backcourt etc.? These are all just dumb, low-percentage plays.

      Great line from Woj’s article last night –

      After these past two games, only a trophy tells Steph Curry that he’s still the NBA’s MVP.

    4. One thing about Steph is he’s really forcing a lot of these long distance 3s. He’s like desperately hunting for those shots and Cleveland isn’t giving him a ton of clean looks from there off the dribble. They’re also collapsing hard at the rim when he gets there. He should seriously consider upping his usage by pulling up from the mid-range more. Currently that’s a higher percentage shot than an open 3 for Harrison Barnes.

    5. Boy. I just saw Steve Kerrs press conference……..Wow. This team is so unlikeable. I hope everyone sees that now.

    6. another great line from Mike Greenberg this morning about the warriors — “on the way to their coronation, they ran into the King”

    7. Boy. I just saw Steve Kerrs press conference……..Wow. This team is so unlikeable. I hope everyone sees that now.

      Somehow Kerr didn’t mention that Steph wasn’t called for an offensive foul when he kicked his leg out to the right on that 3 pointer to make Jefferson run into it. Funny how that works.

      (seriously – that should’ve been a foul one way or the other – there was a ton of contact on that shot. On replay – and based on what the ref seemed to be signalling to Steph when he whined about it – Steph did kick his leg out, so it should’ve been on offensive foul)

    8. Y’all need to chill. Barnes, Livingston, Green and Iggy turned 26 shots into 16 points last night. Steph at least scored well.

      The Warriors are in trouble, but they are still likely to win game 7 and then we can read about how they showed the true heart of a champion and pile on Kevin Love

    9. I think you can add to the list of things causing the heel turn for GSW — their fans, as bandwagon fans are wont to do, take their cues directly from the players. Of course not all of them, but among casual fans there’s such a sense of entitlement, just as the team displays. The idea that any breaks against them are evidence of the nba being rigged, etc.

      Like … we wanna root for your team, but you can’t stop complaining and hitting other players in the dick. It’s not that complicated.

      It’s also totally a symptom of this team going from very talented yet still casual NBA fan afterthough 3 years ago to elite level team so fast. IDC how historic you are — winning a finals is hard. You never know when your andre iguodala is gonna get hurt, your bogut is going to get hurt, etc.

    10. Franken-Iggy was a big problem for GS last night, he probably shouldn’t have even been on the court. A few times he was out on the break and realized he couldn’t finish, and passed the ball backwards. And he usually does a pretty good job slowing down LeBron.

      And meanwhile, Harrison Barnes is 2 for his last 22. The man is totally lost out there.

    11. Golden State’s supporting cast really took a huge blow with the injuries to Bogut and Iguodala, and that was compounded by LeBron’s best games he’s played all season/playoffs. It also doesn’t help when Kyrie Irving is smoking hot. All of that considered, I do believe the Warriors win Game 7 at home. They’re an angry team playing in front of an angry fan base doing other angry things, but you have to think Harrison Barnes plays better than he did last night.

    12. The Warriors are in trouble, but they are still likely to win game 7 and then we can read about how they showed the true heart of a champion and pile on Kevin Love

      Please, DRed, be serious. You know we’re piling on Lebron. There’s no universe in which Lebron loses an elimination game in the finals and the media doesn’t put it all in his lap. If he scored 75 points on perfect shooting Skip would ask why he didn’t shoot more.

    13. Anyone else feel like the finals started a month ago? Who thought up this new format?

    14. “If he scored 75 points on perfect shooting Skip would ask why he didn’t shoot more.”
      If he scored 75 on perfect shooting, that would be a perfectly legitimate question
      “They’re an angry team playing in front of an angry fan base doing other angry things…”
      Which is why I think that they are in big trouble. They are playing with emotion instead of with their heads, which leads to doing stupid things like jacking up ridiculous shots and going for a steal in the backcourt when you have five fouls.

    15. LAVOR YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS WITH THAT QUESTION I DIDNT NEED TO LOOK INSIDE KEVIN LOVE’S CHEST, QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE NOT ONLY IS HE NOT RIDING ROUGH-LIKE A ROUGH RIDER WOULD DO-HE’S NOT DOING ANY SORT OF RIDING AT ALL

    16. The Cavs are not the most likable team ever, but I would have a schadenfreude orgasm if they take game 7 @ GSW. Maybe not as much as seeing the Giants ruin the Patriots’ perfect season in ’08 (because NY vs. evil is much more compelling), but close. I’d love to see an underdog make an historic comeback against an all-time great team that clearly feels (at least it seems to me) entitled to win after having already been canonized by the media. If they can’t chuck their way out of a hole, they melt down, kick their opponents in the dick, pitch a fit and throw their mouth guards at fans, etc. So lame. I hope LeBron drops 50 on Sunday and the people of Cleveland have something to be happy about for once in their sporting lives.

      The finals have really crystallized for me why I find the Warriors so annoying.

    17. The Warriors fans have really been the most irritating part to me. I know every NBA fanbase loves to cry about the refs when their team loses, and it was a poorly officiated game last night (although I don’t think it particularly favored the Cavs, it was just a little wonky, and super inconsistent with the way other games in the series have been called), but the number of them who seriously seemed to be arguing that the game was rigged was truly unbelievable to me. They honestly believe that the only reason they would ever lose is because what was rightfully theirs was taken away through a nefarious plot. Reminds me of a kid after he loses “But I wanted to win!”.

      A different question though: Do people think Lebron should be series MVP even if Cleveland loses? Who’s currently the leader for GS?

    18. Unless Lebron goes 0-40 in game 7 he’s the real MVP. That game last night especially was a masterpiece, and I think it’s being somewhat overshadowed by the Dubs meltdown. Every time Cleveland was teetering last night LBJ did something to pull them back-the blocks on Steph & Draymond, the huge ORB and bucket when the lead was down to (I think) 7, the fact that he was the entire offense for the competitive portion of the 3rd & 4th quarter. Just an amazing performance.

    19. Regarding possible assistant coach choices:

      http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2016/6/16/11951830/stein-jeff-hornacek-looking-to-add-jerry-sichting-and-andy-greer-to

      Regarding Lebron: Wow, just wow. I was rooting for a great 7 game series with an eventual Golden State win, just so I could see the “greatest of all time coronation” but now if Lebron keeps up this level of play I just want him to win it all. GS hasn’t shown much of their rough ryder instincts that got them to 73-9, and I would love to see the obnoxious GS fanbase and ESPECIALLY JOE LACOB stricken with despair. If that means Dan Gilbert has to win a title, so be it.

    20. If GS was healthy I’d be totally confident they’d win game 7 handily. But with Bogut out & Iggy hobbled their defense is shaky enough to at least give Cleveland a real chance. So I’m pretty pumped for game 7 (even if pretty much all the other games have been bad-I never thought we’d get this far)

    21. Yeah, I think I am going to be rooting hard for Lebron to go in and win this thing in Game 7. That performance last night was just unbelievable.

      I did think there were a couple of calls on Curry that could have gone the other way, Lebron definitely lowered his shoulder on the 2nd foul, but he compounded the issue by losing his cool and committing a bunch of other dumb fouls.

      Going to be a doozy, appt viewing…

    22. I would love to see the obnoxious GS fan base and ESPECIALLY JOE LACOB stricken with despair.

      Careful, man. You don’t want the morons that call into WFAN and James L Dolan stricken with despair, do you? Those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!!

    23. I occasionally go on other teams’ blogs to see if their fans are just as unreasonable as we are. Here are two trade proposals that fan bases thought that the Knicks might jump at — from Phoenix — the #34 pick in this year’s draft for Hernangomez. From Philly — Okafor and the #24 and #26 picks for Porzingis. I especially like that Okafor deal…

    24. The only thing I was hoping for out of these playoffs was that they’d motivate the Cavs to really explore moving Kevin Love, which at this point seems near inevitable. Losing the finals though would definitely help. If Love is on the market, it ups the possibility of Melo being moved significantly. That Love->Boston/Melo->Cleveland/Picks->NY trade that’s been floated numerous times would be amazing.

    25. the blocks on Steph & Draymond

      Not just the blocks, but his overall rim protection game has been really, really great the last few games. I didn’t think he had the energy any more to carry the offensive load and still be that guy on the defensive end like he was in Miami, but he has proven me wrong. Cleveland’s rim protection looked like a massive weakness coming into this series, but so many times last night it looked like Golden State was about to get a layup and Lebron (as well as Thompson and even Jefferson) were able to get over and force a kickout. You rarely see the Warriors do that thing where you jump in the air near the basket, realize you can’t get up a shot, and then sort of look around and loft a pass back out to the perimeter – their offense is usually just too smooth for that. But they had like 5 or 6 of them last night I think.

      I’m still kind of expecting a Golden State blowout in Game 7, but they looked just rattled enough last night to keep me wondering. Biggest issue for the Cavs may be Kyrie’s foot. I couldn’t help but notice after he got stepped on late he was not looking great. They had JR bringing the ball up at times over him. Lebron can’t carry the whole load himself, Love doesn’t look capable, and I don’t think their role players can hit the same level on the road. If Kyrie is hobbled I’m not sure where the production comes from.

    26. If GS wins, do you guys see any possibility of a sign and trade deal of d wade for love? that would be interesting!

    27. I recall seeing Kerr, Walton et al smirking (my impression) during the games vs. the Knicks this season and thinking that they came off as smug. The playoffs seem to confirm my impression.

      @26 johnno, how about Okafor and the #24 and #26 picks for Hernangomez?? Then, we can trade Robin Lopez and Melo…
      :-)

    28. I would be smug as shit playing the Knicks as my team won more games than any other in NBA history. I’d be so much more smug than Steve Kerr. I would have been reading a book or watching something on my iPad on the sidelines as my squad pummeled sorry teams like the Knicks.

    29. @32 I’m guessing that you are not a people person.
      :-)

      I’m not sure that you are as smug as Kerr. Reading a book would just make you seem detached and disinterested, not smug. You’d need to outsmile Kerr!

    30. No biggie, DRed. I mean, who is more smug than Phil? Pat Riley? Pop? Or Red Auerbach, for that matter?

      Ker is an excellent coach, maybe on his way to all-time greatness, maybe not. I have no prob with his personality.

    31. Just wait, Walton’s gonna get his when he’s coaching the Knicks West next year.

    32. Does anyone really think Lebron has this kind of a game or a series if Kuzmic is still with the Warriors? Not I!

    33. “I would love to see the obnoxious GS fan base and ESPECIALLY JOE LACOB stricken with despair. ”

      “Careful, man. You don’t want the morons that call into WFAN and James L Dolan stricken with despair, do you? Those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones!!”

      Big difference between Dolan and Lacob – Dolan is an idiot who thinks he knows how to run a professional sports franchise, Lacob is really smart but so full of himself he thinks he’s the one responsible for the Warriors’ success.

    34. Yeah, great teams tend to be smug. It’s just part and parcel with being a great team. The 1990s Bulls were super smug. So I don’t mind it. I do appreciate when said teams are upset, but I don’t really begrudge them their smugness.

    35. amazing performance from lebron… i would never have thought i’d see anyone better than mj but lebron is getting close…

      also a great moment at the end with sager… so used to seeing him on tnt coverage and probably the most personable sideline reporter we’ve ever had… in any sport come to think of it…

    36. Just wait, Walton’s gonna get his when he’s coaching the Knicks West next year.

      You mean when he’s coaching LeBron, Durant, and Whiteside next year?

    37. Y’all need to chill. Barnes, Livingston, Green and Iggy turned 26 shots into 16 points last night. Steph at least scored well.

      The Warriors are in trouble, but they are still likely to win game 7 and then we can read about how they showed the true heart of a champion and pile on Kevin Love

      The Warriors haven’t been themselves the past four games. It’s not just that the crazy shots haven’t been falling like they did for 73 games in the regular season. Golden State averaged 29 assist per game this year. In the finals they’ve tallied 29, 26, 21, 23, 18, and 19 respectively. Part of that is good defense, part of that is Green missing a game, and part of that is very sloppy offense. But this team can generate easy baskets against anyone, and if they are going to hold off the Cavs and win this series, they are going to have to do it the way that they won 73 games: with great ball movement and strong interior defense (and a few crazy shots just for fun:)

    38. Kind of random, but as a Knick + Giants who lives in Seattle, much of my animosity towards the Warriors stems from their likeness to the Seahawks — preening sense of entitlement, large bandwagon fan base, and generally fake / unlikeable cast of characters:

      Steph = Russ Wilson (the overly nice guy that is one of the league’s golden boys)
      Dray = Richard Sherman (I’ll let you guys figure that one out)
      Klay = Marshawn (dependable / relatively down to earth guy I actually respect)
      Bay Area = Seattle (tech bros who just discovered sports)

      The NYG comment above totally reminded me of this.

    39. What will Warriors fans do if their team chokes this one away?

      Aside from going back to being Lakers fans, I guess.

    40. jesus. just got an alert that the knicks are having internal discussions about trading for derrick rose. hopefully nothing of actual value. every time we deal with the bulls we set ourselves back 4 years.

    41. I have to believe Chicago would at least part with an asset of some kind to take the sting out of paying Rose $21 million next season.

      For the sake of not ending our free agency before it starts, I hope they’d take back Calderon and O’Quinn. The difference between having $22 mil left to spend after acquiring Rose vs only $10 mil is pretty substantial.

      I guess the bigger question is does Rose have enough left in the tank to be a decent 1-year placeholder with a change of scenery, or is he completely unsalvagable. His numbers last season were horrifying but even if he only got back to 80% of peak Rose that’s a pretty decent player and certainly a lot better than Calderon, in my opinion.

    42. Totally fine with the Rose trade if we get significant assets back.

      1 year low risk rental that we let go if he doesn’t perform, who sets us up for a nice cap situation coming into the 2017 bonanza and helps us keep up appearances in the “look like we’re trying to win” department.

      Pretty much the ideal situation if we don’t score Durant (which we won’t)

    43. How do you even make a Derrick Rose trade work with the salary cap rules? The Knicks don’t seem to have enough players under big enough contracts to make that trade mathematically possible unless you start including RoLo.

      Ain’t happening.

    44. He’s only got one year left, so they’re not going to give up assets to unload him. You probably have to give up assets to get him.

      EDIT: unless this is a luxury tax thing and they just want to save $. Not impossible with Reinsdorf.

    45. How do you even make a Derrick Rose trade work with the salary cap rules? The Knicks don’t seem to have enough players under big enough contracts to make that trade mathematically possible unless you start including RoLo.

      Ain’t happening.

      Due to the cap increase, pretty much anyone can be traded anywhere, since everyone will have cap room to absorb the trade. The Knicks can trade just a conditional second round pick for Rose and just absorb him into the cap space. And yeah, if the Bulls are willing to give the Knicks their lottery pick to take Rose, I’d do it in a heartbeat.

    46. How do you even make a Derrick Rose trade work with the salary cap rules? The Knicks don’t seem to have enough players under big enough contracts to make that trade mathematically possible unless you start including RoLo.

      Ain’t happening.

      We don’t need big contracts. After July 1 he could theoretically be traded right into cap space with no players involved at all (ie. heavily protected 2nd rounder).

      I would definitely pass on this kind of trade. It would definitely require us giving up an asset or two we don’t want to give up, and we’d be stuck trying to figure out whether he’s worth paying a ton more for after that.

      And he hasn’t been good in years.

    47. Internal discussions is such a meaningless statement. Yeah sure, the Knicks and every NBA team really ought to have internal discussions about every player on the FA market and trading block. This really shouldn’t be a news story, they’re just trying to fuel speculation.

    48. Have there been any internal discussions about offering Rose a max extension as well? #knicks

    49. Honestly, I think the Rose thing kinda makes sense. This free agency class is kind of weak, and particularly if the Knicks miss out on their top couple targets you could easily be looking at pretty unappealing options. I’d be fine with rolling over our cap space, taking some smallish asset, and taking the longshot chance that the change of scenery/chip on his shoulder factor could give Rose a boost. If my other choice is something like paying Allen Crabbe $16M a year, I think there’s some logic to it.

    50. Plus, who wouldn’t want to watch Melo and Rose trade off on hero ball at the end of a close game? Oh…everyone? My bad.

    51. It’s also pretty hilarious that a Rose trade would be Jackson basically saying, “Yeah, we’re punting 2016-17, as well,” but to Melo it would be, “Awesome! We got another star to play with me!”

    52. I haven’t read the posts yet.

      Sure, bring on Derek Rose. What do we have to give up? Let Grant back him up. He’s not a great shooter. He hasn’t been healthy, like ever. It’s not my money. What does his salary do to the cap?

      Fun game last night. LeBron looked other-worldly at times. An unsung hero for the Cavs was JR Smith, who opted out of his contract. The potential goat was Shumpert who looked slow and and disinterested … and what’s with that bun?

      Can someone define what a foul is? How was this Kevin Love foul a foul? And I think that Golden State had a ton of fouls called on them that weren’t anything close to a foul. I can’t blame anyone for moaning about the refereeing in this series. That’s significant since, as a former umpire, I usually back up officials.

    53. It typically ends up being about $1-2 million higher than whatever their initial number they give, so that’s normal, but also very good news to have a little more money (it basically erases the increase in Galloway’s qualifying offer). Also, now that we have the cap figure figured out, I can put together the state of the Knicks’ cap soon after the Finals end.

    54. Looking forward to that, Brian. I’m starting to hope Williams opts in, even though I know he won’t. There’s no realistic target who I want to give the max to, so better to roll some space over to next summer by keeping a guy on what will surely be a value contract after we see what this summer’s deals look like.

      Afflalo, on the other hand? Goodbye. Please.

    55. jesus. just got an alert that the knicks are having internal discussions about trading for derrick rose. hopefully nothing of actual value. every time we deal with the bulls we set ourselves back 4 years.

      Charles Oakley is going to visit you at your home and make you take that back! :-)

    56. And — especially in comparison to all the other deals Isiah made with the Bulls and others in that era — the Jamal Crawford trade wasn’t bad in hindsight. No draft picks, Frank Williams the only young player, and Crawford played well (in a Jamal Crawford conscience-less gunner kind of way) during his time with the Knicks.

    57. The Rose reports are weird, because the way the media frames it, they’re trying to make it look like the Bulls are trying to get something for Rose. That doesn’t make any sense. What do they think they can get for Rose? He’s an actively negative asset, right?

    58. Since Phil got here, have “internal discussions” ever been accurate?

      A number of times. Pretty much all the big name free agents that the Knicks tried to sign (before ending up with Lopez when they all turned them down) were reported well in advance, Greg Monroe most notably (as he was reported months before the season ended). That’s actually why I think the Evan Turner interest is likely legit, because it was reported on so early.

    59. The Rose reports are weird, because the way the media frames it, they’re trying to make it look like the Bulls are trying to get something for Rose. That doesn’t make any sense. What do they think they can get for Rose? He’s an actively negative asset, right?

      Just to show you how ignorant the media is, I was watching a couple of idiots on SNY talking about the merits of a Melo for Rose trade, like that’s even something the Knicks would consider. And they compounded it by talking about how Rose could become the Knicks new alpha dog and Rose and Porzingis could be the franchise cornerstones going forward.

    60. I would hate to give away pretty much anything for Derrick Rose except for Robin Lopez and that is ONLY if I knew I would be able to sign Hassan Whiteside with my remaining cap space. Calderon and O’Quinn are going to be really good bench players for somebody in the NBA next year and it should be us unless we’re getting back some good assets for those two.

    61. First comment on the espn article about the Knicks thinking about trading for Rose:

      I’d do it only if the Knicks are offering Kristaps Porzingis. Otherwise, nobody else is worth it. Not even Melo because Lord knows Melo + Jimmy Butler is a match made in ISOLATION HELL.

      Fancy tapdancing Moses this country is doomed.

      I’d trade Melo for Rose, and that’s it. Any other deal would have to be Rose + an asset for nothing. Or Calderon, I guess, although I still think we could flip Jose at the deadline for something. Old pig farmer can still shoot it.

    62. I don’t see how Rose can have negative value on a one year deal when teams will be below the floor. Someone would take him to sell tickets without jeopardizing lottery balls. The Sixers would probably happily give up two second rounders for him.

    63. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe being below the cap floor only means the team has to pay their players the difference. So adding Rose wouldn’t actually save any team any money, and giving up assets for essentially no reason doesn’t seem wise.

    64. Just a heads up that DeAndre Jordan had 227 dunks this season and the Knicks — all of them — had 199 total. Derrick Rose can miss every jump shot he takes if he can help me enjoy watching the basketball contest by dunking on and over everyone occasionally.

      Edit:

      Aaaaaaaand I just looked up his dunk totals. He had 32 in 2010-11 and 1 in 2015-16. Nevermind.

    65. Durant loves his good friend Rose:

      http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/10170596/kevin-durant-says-derrick-rose-return-full-strength
      From 2013
      “OKLAHOMA CITY — Kevin Durant hasn’t lost any confidence in Derrick Rose.

      The Oklahoma City Thunder star is still convinced Rose will return to his league MVP form despite the fact the Chicago Bulls guard recently had knee surgery that shut him down for a second straight season.

      “No doubt,” Durant said after Thursday’s 107-95 win over Rose’s Bulls. “He’s 25 years old, and with the trainers and the rehab and all the people that you have now as far as injuries that’s helping, you only can get better. Especially mixed with his work ethic and his drive — that’s somebody that’s going to come back at full strength.

      “The league is much better when Derrick Rose is playing, so hopefully he gets back here soon and he gets that knee to full strength.”

      We might get the Bulls to give us a nice draft choice (#14?) to take Rose’s salary off of their hands and he will be playing for a new contract so should be extremely motivated. If Phil gets KD to agree to come to NY to play with him then I’m all for it even w/o the pick.

    66. If I was Chicago, I’d absolutely insist on getting assets in exchange for Rose. a) The Knicks have demonstrated a knack for giving away good things in exchange for bad things; b) there are probably multiple buyers out there for Rose between now and October; c) Rose is famous and famous people are valuable to teams; d) DRed isn’t GM yet

    67. How about this three team trade:

      NYK SENDS: Calderon, Lopez,
      NYK RECEIVES: Rose, Korver, and Sefalosha,

      ATL SENDS: Teague, Korver, Sefalosha,
      ATL RECEIVES: Taj Gibson, Jose Calderon

      CHI SENDS: Derrick Rose, Taj Gibson
      CHI RECEIVES: Jeff Teague and Robin Lopez

      Add a pick wherever you like. Maybe CHI gives up their #14, maybe ATL gives up their pick. Who says no? The Knicks get guard help, the Hawks get good veteran depth while moving on from Teague, and the Bulls make out like bandits with two good starters to put around Butler, McDermott, and Mirotic. And then we can complete our destiny and sign Hassan Whiteside. How awesome would a starting five of Rose, Sefalosha, Melo, Porzingis, and Whiteside be? Then you bring Galloway, Grant, Korver, Hernangomez, O’Quinn, and LT off your bench with Wroten and one or two UDFAs as project bench warmers. That team would totally win 45 games and then expire so we can go after some great lead guards in 2017.

    68. If CLE loses, would this 3-way deal be a possibility? (obviously the NTC says no, but replacing Love w Melo prob puts Cavs over the top, right?)

      Melo to Cavs
      Love to Celts + filler (moz?)
      Picks (including #3) and a player like Crowder to Knicks

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