Knicks Morning News (2016.06.07)

  • [New York Times] Shaq: Cavs Need Better Irving,’ Punked’ Love in NBA Finals (Tue, 07 Jun 2016 07:03:48 GMT)

    Shaquille O’Neal played on the last team to overcome a 2-0 deficit in the NBA Finals, so he knows what it takes.

  • [New York Times] Love Returns to Cleveland, Uncertain for Game Three (Tue, 07 Jun 2016 00:03:27 GMT)

    Cleveland Cavaliers forward Kevin Love was cleared to fly home with the team on Monday, but his availability for Game 3 of the NBA Finals on Wednesday night at Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland remains in question.

  • [New York Post] Phil Jackson: I can make Knicks an East contender, fast (Tue, 07 Jun 2016 00:58:08 -0400)

    Listening to Knicks president Phil Jackson talk — and he doesn't do it publicly all that often — he doesn't sound like a man preaching slow builds and long-range plans, but banking on next month's free agency and an immediate improvement. It remains to be seen how realistic either of those hopes really are. Jackson…

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    46 thoughts to “Knicks Morning News (2016.06.07)”

    1. Interesting name that isn’t getting much press — Larry Sanders might be coming back to the league. Not sure if he is trust-able given all his issues with motor / love of basketball, but he’s an interesting name. Wonder if Miami would make a play for him if/when Whiteside moves on.

      Re: Evan Turner – I’ve sort of come to terms with the fact he might a central FA target for us. His shooting efficiency stinks but he does do lots of other things well – 6 reb/6 assists per 36 from the SG position, good for 6th best rebound rate and 3rd best assist rate among SG. He seems to be a net positive on defense too. If he comes at a (very) reasonable rate for us, it could be ok.

      Strange that his 3 point shooting is so bad – for a guy who is a pretty decent long-2 shooter and ~80% from the FT line for his career.

    2. some eye-opening remarks from the event Phil and Shaq were last night, as reported by Ian Begley:

      Phil Jackson says the spacing in the triangle offense needs to change due to the prevalence of the 3-point shot. “The 3-point line has become our affection, because it means more when we make a 3-point shot. So the spacing has changed dramatically,” Jackson said Monday at an American Express event. “So the triangle can still be apart of that, but it has to adapt.” Jackson did not explain how the spacing for the triangle needed to change. The Knicks run the triangle, and will continue to do so under new coach Jeff Hornacek.

      All of Phil’s word-finding difficulties aside (3 point line has become our affection!?!?), just hearing from his mouth that the Triangle needs to adapt to the modern NBA is just music to my ears.

      Re: Kurt Rambis – I really think Hornacek has to let him go, or at least let Phil move him to the front office is he has to for personal reasons. He and Phil are way too close for him to be on the bench with Hornacek. He’s already shown that he will go behind the coach’s back to report things to Phil. Not something Hornacek needs.

    3. @2 well, it doesn’t seem Phil agrees with you about Rambis:

      In an SNY interview published by the NY Post, he said:

      “Well, Kurt fits,’’ Jackson told SNY. “He fits in a number of ways. He’s a teammate of Jeff’s in Phoenix at one point in their careers. He’s also a great team guy, he has a great idea what we’re trying get accomplished, and I think he can help Jeff feel his way through this club and find the best way for them to play.’’

    4. FWIW listening to Hornacek on multiple radio interviews, it feels like he is NOT going to have Kurt on his staff. Reading/listening between the lines, it seems like he is giving lip service to the idea of strongly considering Rambis, but that he probably won’t be around.

    5. I agree with the sentiment on Rambis as it pertains to Hornacek’s staff. Phil pretty much has to move him to the front office. If Hornacek is serious about incorporating the triple post into the usual sets he runs, maybe he should consider adding Brian Shaw, even if only to help with the guards. Other than that, the staff he had in Phoenix is fine. Hopefully Longabardi is interested in coming to the Knicks after Cleveland most likely loses to GS in the Finals. Speaking of Cleveland..

      Is Kevin Love really Enes Kanter with more range on his J and better passing skills? Wow. Draymond Green is owning him right now. If Cleveland loses in 4 or 5 games, they pretty much have to move Love. They probably should regardless of the outcome.

    6. The Celtics have picks #3, 16, 23, 31, 35, 45, 51 and 58 in this year’s draft

      The Knicks have

      FML

    7. The Celtics have picks #3, 16, 23, 31, 35, 45, 51 and 58 in this year’s draft

      And they have only 3 roster spots available.
      They basically have to make a trade or start selling the 2nd round picks.
      I mean they could just trade picks for picks in the future, but there probably is a point at which having too many picks becomes less useful.

    8. Is Kevin Love really Enes Kanter with more range on his J and better passing skills?

      GSW made a huge mistake not trading Klay for him

    9. Is Kevin Love really Enes Kanter with more range on his J and better passing skills? Wow. Draymond Green is owning him right now. If Cleveland loses in 4 or 5 games, they pretty much have to move Love. They probably should regardless of the outcome.

      This seems to be consensus but I would move Kyrie, not Love. Love is a horrible matchup against Golden State, but against just about every other team in the league he seems to be just fine defensively, and having bigs who can stretch the floor is the #1 necessity with the current version of Lebron. Kyrie is just not a good player in my opinion. The league is too dominated by high screen and role to have a PG who’s that level of liability on defense, particuarly when he’s not that special on offense, and Kyrie really isn’t. You want him to be a reliable option to run the offense when Lebron isn’t on the floor but he’s not really a PG, just an undersized isolation scorer. If Lebron is going to have a lot of the ball (and he always is) he just doesn’t make sense on this team. I’d get what I could for him and keep Love.

      edit: From Tom Haberstoh:

      CAVS THIS POSTSEASON
      Kyrie ON: 114.6 ORtg 108.1 DRtg +6.4
      Kyrie OFF: 105.3 ORtg 93.0 DRtg +12.2

    10. Celtics are gonna make a big move this off season. They’re gonna try and convince Durant to come to Boston and do a sign and trade with OKC where they give them a bunch of picks.

    11. Why would they need to do a sign and trade?

      They have more than enough cap space to give him the max.

    12. I’ll bet a lot of teams would like to pry the #31 or #35 pick from Boston. Phil got #35 last year to get Hernangomez.

      Yeah, what Durant decides to do will be incredibly interesting. I guess the current conventional wisdom is that he’ll sign a 1+1 deal with OKC, then opt out after next year. Simmons hints that he won’t do that, though, that he wants to get to the finals, and he needs to come east to do that.

      I wonder if Phil might surprise us again with a draft night trade or two, beyond just buying a 2nd rounder from someone.

    13. @11 Can’t he get an extra year (5 vs. 4) if it is a sign and trade? He also might want to not leave OKC high and dry.

    14. @ 13 – that is what I am thinking. If he did a sign and trade he gets the extra year and can make sure OKC gets a decent return. But Boston is set up nicely to add a star to their team. If they added Durant to their core and only lost draft picks and a player or two that seems like a pretty big home run for them. They’re all ready a young team with talent. Durant would vault them into ECF contention easily.

      But then again, so would Durant or Lebron on the Knicks!

    15. If OKC could get back the #3 pick, another one of the first rounders, and second rounder or two, that could help them jump start a rebuild.

      If I’m OKC, I figure that they overachieved this year and need to start the rebuild now. But, that would all be contingent on Durant wanting a 5th guaranteed year. He might not care about that.

      @15 Edit. Ah, is that true? Seems OKC is screwed, then?

    16. just hearing from his mouth that the Triangle needs to adapt to the modern NBA is just music to my ears.

      Just hearing him say the word triangle is like a fork on a chalkboard to my ears.

      “The 3-point line has become our affection, because it means more when we make a 3-point shot. So the spacing has changed dramatically,” Jackson said. “So the triangle can still be a part of that, but it has to adapt.”

      It still sounds like it’s more about proving the triangle can work than just making the Knicks good.

      Also, according that article, Phil seems pretty adamant about forcing Rambis onto Hornacek’s coaching staff.

    17. @17 We should all know by now to totally ignore what Phil says and judge him solely on what he does. What he says to the media does not matter. Speculating and having grief over what he or the media says is senseless.

      Even if Rambis ends up on Hornacek’s staff, maybe the guy is actually a decent assistant coach?

    18. If I’m OKC, I figure that they overachieved this year and need to start the rebuild now

      I think they take one more shot at it, they were 5 minutes away from beating the Warriors in 6 and would have probably waxed Cleveland too. And from Durant’s standpoint, do you take another shot with OKC, or go to Boston and potentially knock off the Cavs to get to the Finals to lose to Golden State?

      I feel pretty confident that OKC signs a 1 plus 1 deal with Durant and then makes some decisions next year.

    19. @18. Actually, let me add one thing. Phil’s recent “why not us” comments and “Melo says we have the best front line in the East” stuff is likely aimed at free agents, particularly guards!

    20. @19. Yes, that’s the current conventional wisdom, and might end up true. We’ll see. As I said, Simmons seems to think that Durant will come east now, FWIW.

    21. Hornacek should treat Rambis like he’s radioactive – keep him as far away as possible

    22. As I said, Simmons seems to think that Durant will come east now, FWIW.

      Does he really think that’s what’s going to happen, or is he just transparently trying to recruit KD to the Celtics?

    23. Simmons knows as much about Durant’s future as everyone on Knickerblogger does.

      But boy if they fail to get Durant some of those picks would look really nice in a Carmelo Anthony trade :)

    24. But boy if they fail to get Durant some of those picks would look really nice in a Carmelo Anthony trade :)

      Actually, who am I kidding. They are too smart to do that.

    25. Doesn’t Melo for Love make a lot of sense after the Cavs get swept and Love becomes the scapegoat???

    26. Actually, who am I kidding. They are too smart to do that.

      Ainge is smart. He also nearly traded 4 picks, including a Brooklyn pick, for the right to draft Justise Winslow. If Melo was on the table I don’t doubt he’d be willing to give up Dragan Bender or Jamaal Murray for him, among other assets and/or players.

      Doesn’t Melo for Love make a lot of sense after the Cavs get swept and Love becomes the scapegoat???

      If we can flip Love to a 3rd team for picks and young players that’d be a good deal.

    27. Kevin > Kyrie

      It’s not like Kyrie was ever a lock down defender, but he’s Knicks backcourt level bad right now. Kyrie for CP3, Love for Melo and baby you got a stew going

    28. I think that I’m just going to wait to see what the Zen-master concocts. All this speculation is making my head hurt. And the reality is that we have no control and no influence.

    29. i’m sort of ok with evan turner… he’s certainly flawed as a shooting guard who can’t shoot but he’s strong in other areas.. namely his ballhandling that i think he can be good on this team…. certainly better than afflalo in that he knows his limitations….

    30. Turner depends on the years/money. He’s not a bad player, and he can get to the rim. He’s already 27, though, and we really, really need someone who can shoot.

    31. Kyrie Irving is a really good basketball player who has played his best basketball in the post season.

    32. Evan Turner would be cool if you played him next to a 3 point shooting point guard. You absolutely cannot play Evan Turner next to Tony Wroten or Jerian Grant.

    33. Apparently Ricky Rubio made comments to a Spanish radio host about wanting to leave Minnesota if they don’t make the playoffs next season. They should totally overreact and trade him to the Knicks today.

    34. Either way we still badly need a 3 point shooter! Even Phil seems to be saying it.

    35. Damn, Sean Rooks died a few hours after interviewing to be one of Horny’s assistants. RIP-46 is way too soon to go.

    36. That is truly terrible. He had offers from other teams to join their staff and was even offered a job to be the Hornet’s D League Head Coach. He was going somewhere in coaching; it sucks to see him go. He will be missed.

    37. Interviews with Knicks. Immediately drops dead.

      Nice to see Phil still has the touch (of death).

    38. Interviews with Knicks. Immediately drops dead.

      Nice to see Phil still has the touch (of death).

      good one……………

    39. This seems to be consensus but I would move Kyrie, not Love

      I think they could be better all around team if they moved Love, say to the C’s for picks, retained Frye, and added David Lee on the cheap. Kyrie can become that incredible scorer and drive and kick guy that we all know he can be as long as Cleveland has LeBron to be the primary playmaker. Presumably that could allow LBJ to pick. his spots. Plus Lee and Frye wouldn’t need as many touches as Love , allowing LBJ to spread the wealth and play off of Kyrie’s scoring. Playing Devil’s Advocate, but it seems like Love is the odd man out given Frye’s presence and having perimeter scorers like Kyrie and JR .

      Doesn’t Melo for Love make a lot of sense after the Cavs get swept and Love becomes the scapegoat???

      I’m not so sure. That would create a log jam up front with Lopez/KP/Love/OQ/Hernangomez (if he comes over) at the 4/5. Lopez is too good to be with the second unit, and until KP gets stronger, I don’t think it would be wise to roll KP out at the 5 and Love at the 4. But, if you trade Melo for Kyrie, Cleveland can still move Love in a separate deal for picks and the Knicks would have a backcourt of Grant/Kyrie where Kyrie would have less playmaking duties in that 2 Guard front and allow him to be the great scorer he is. Win-Win for both sides. I’m playing Devil’s Advocate again, but I would have no problem with such a scenario.

      Frank mentioned Larry Sanders earlier- that IS intriguing. As long as his head is on straight, a 4/5 rotation of Lopez/KP/Sanders/OQ/Hernangomez sound pretty good on both sides of the ball. No one gets in the paint in that scenario, plus that rotation wouldn’t be too shabby on offense.

    40. Awful news about Sean Rooks. What a tragedy. Retired NBA players, PLEASE get your hearts checked out sooner than later!

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