Knicks Morning News (2015.10.19)

  • [New York Daily News] Kristaps Porzingis making progress despite growing pains (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 04:26:33 GMT)

    Give Kristaps Porzingis this: the kid is confident.

  • [New York Times] Sports Briefing | Pro Basketball: Lopez Lifts Nets Past 76ers (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 05:06:53 GMT)

    Brook Lopez scored 24 points, leading the host Nets to a 92-91 preseason victory over the Philadelphia 76ers.

  • [New York Times] Lillard, McCollum Lead Blazers’ Big Rally to Beat Jazz in OT (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 03:54:48 GMT)

    Damian Lillard scored 32 points, C.J. McCollum had 26 and the Portland Trail Blazers rallied from a 21-point, second-half deficit to beat the Utah Jazz 116-111 in overtime Sunday night in a preseason game.

  • [New York Times] Durant Scores 23, Thunder Roll Past Nuggets, 111-98 (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 01:36:44 GMT)

    Kevin Durant scored 23 points to help the Oklahoma City Thunder beat the Denver Nuggets 111-98 on Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Green, Ennis Lead Heat to Preseason Win Over Atlanta (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 01:33:43 GMT)

    Gerald Green and James Ennis each scored 19 points and the Miami Heat beat the Atlanta Hawks 101-92 in a preseason game Sunday night.

  • [New York Times] Lee’s 18 Points Lead Grizzlies Past Wolves, 90-68 (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:51:43 GMT)

    Courtney Lee scored 18 points and the Memphis Grizzlies beat the Minnesota Timberwolves 90-68 on Sunday night to remain unbeaten in the preseason.

  • [New York Times] Love Scores 6 Points in First Preseason Game (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:42:34 GMT)

    Kevin Love had six points and four rebounds in his first game since a season-ending shoulder injury in the opening round of last season’s playoffs, but the Cleveland Cavaliers remained winless in the preseason with an 87-81 loss to the Toronto Raptors on Sunday night.

  • [New York Post] You haven’t heard about it, but the Knicks are building optimism (Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:01:14 -0400)

    While much of New York has been chanting "Let's Go Mets,” the Knicks quietly have gone about their preseason business with surprising efficiency. Save for coach Derek Fisher's backyard brawl…

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    1. Over at “theknicksblog” Keith Schlosser talks about Travis Trice. I mention it here because I agree with his assessment. Sometimes all it takes is one good look at game film to make me raise my eyebrows. Trice did that for me. He looked calm, cool and collected for a kid trying to make a team. Usually that 4th rotation will have guys chucking the ball up (Summers) or running around like chickens without a head (Thanasis) but Trice looked in control.

      The big play for me was one of his assists at the 10:50 mark of the 4th quarter. Jerian Grant had just stolen the ball off a bad pass by Hansborough. He passed it into the lane to a charging Trice. As the Hornet defense collapsed on him, Trice shoveled the ball to Amundson who was driving on the other side of the lane. Most kids trying to make the team would have put it up. Trice made the mature choice for a better shot. He continued to impress. I hope he gets onto the roster or at worst the D-league. I was once a big fan of the Greek Freak pt 2, but I would rather have a 6th guard on the team. Trice is my choice for today.

    2. Yeah, if we were guaranteed that Trice would stay in Westchester and not sign with another team, I’d be okay with keeping Thanasis, whom we’ll lose if we cut. But given the makeup of the roster, and the fact that Thanasis still seems a very long way away from being a contributor, I’d rather have Trice under full team control, even though I imagine he’d be assigned to the D-League team so he can play.

      Related, assuming a healthy roster for the start of the season, does Early:

      1)Stick on the main roster but not play a lot?

      2)Stick on the main roster and be on the fringes of the forward rotation (behind Williams but ahead of Thomas)?

      3)Go to Westchester to get regular playing time until the team needs him?

      He’s looked good the last couple of games, but A)preseason, and B)there don’t seem to be a lot of minutes for him.

    3. Re: Cleanthony, someone who can defend bigger wing players will be able to find minutes on a team where the other rotation options are Melo, Afflalo and Williams. And being even moderately effective on offense would give him a big leg up over Lance Thomas

    4. I know it was a small sample size but besides Trice’s obvious passing, shooting and ball handling skills he displayed a tenacity on defense and showed what a heady player he is. He will help the Knicks down the line.

    5. And being even moderately effective on offense would give him a big leg up over Lance Thomas

      Yes, but does Fisher see it that way? The actual rotations will tell the tale, but I’m worried the coach has an irrational attachment to Lance, in which case I rescind every defense I ever made of that signing.

    6. I don’t know why we’re even considering Travis Trice. The guy went undrafted. That means 30 NBA GMs, including stat guys and Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player of all time, all passed on him in the draft. Remember, these guys have millions of dollars to invest in the world’s best scouts, statistical expert, and have access to things we only dream of (like video highlights on YouTube’s Platinum Service). And after going through all that, every team decided to pass on him!

      So ergo, he’s obviously not very good at the basketball.

    7. @MikeK – Was that sarcasm? Didn’t Langston Galloway start that way too? Aren’t these the same GMs that thought Bargnani should be a #1 pick?

      The knock on Trice is that he’s undersized at 6’1″/170 but he has heart, athleticism, speed and he’s heady. I loved what I saw. Yes, it was against D-Leaguers but as I’ve said before, I trust my eyes over stats. Oh, and this NBADraft.com Travis Trice profile page validates what my eyeballs saw.

    8. I can’t remember the last time the Knicks had a rookie good enough to be in the starting line up. Does anyone know when this happened last?

    9. I can’t remember the last time the Knicks had a rookie good enough to be in the starting line up.

      Langston started 41 games for the Knicks last season, and probably deserved to.

    10. I think I agree with everyone here in saying that we should pick up Trice even if it’s at the expense of Thanasis. It’d just be much better if we never even signed Lance Thomas, but whatever, I guess.

    11. If Spike does wear the jersey, it would be a great photo of him and Porzingis next to each other both wearing the same knicks number

    12. Fucking Zeke, man. Just shut the fuck up and go away.

      The fact that Dolan, who doesn’t like to speak publicly about anything, would come out to do this interview and attack Anucha Brown Sanders is a reminder not only that he’s an awful person, but that his blind spot about Isiah remains so terrifyingly large that I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if Dolan thinks he’s paving the way to reinstall Zeke as Knicks president within a few years.

    13. One of the many reasons I am rooting for the Knicks to be hugely improved this season is my fear that if BCT does not have demonstrated success, he will quit (or be forced out by Dolan) and be replaced by the return of Isiah Thomas. It would be like the Yankees bringing back Billy Martin for the fifth time, if only Billy had never had success on any of his prior four stints as Yankees manager and never had any success elsewhere.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e0slgYG1hc

    14. Do we have to hear about Anucha Brown Sanders again? Not what we need a week from opening day. With over 7 billion people on this planet, why can’t Dolan cut the cord with Isiah?

    15. With over 7 billion people on this planet, why can’t Dolan cut the cord with Isiah?

      Because you assume Dolan is a decent and sensible person with a touch on reality like most of those 7 billion people. He lives in a bubble and things don’t matter to him.

      Put it this way. Imagine if at your job, no one could really tell you what to do, no matter how good or bad job you do. In fact it’s the other way around. You’re free to do whatever you wish with everyone else at your job.

      Then in your personal life, you can buy what you want. Go to any place. Hire people to cook, drive, wipe your rear, etc. Most people that see you act like “yes men”, too scared to ever contradict you.

      Wouldn’t you have a distorted view of reality? Would you really want to hang out with Bob the Builder, or someone that shares your warped view of reality?

    16. Do we have to hear about Anucha Brown Sanders again? Not what we need a week from opening day. With over 7 billion people on this planet, why can’t Dolan cut the cord with Isiah?

      It seems pretty apparent that Isiah has something on Dolan, Maybe it’s an embarrassing photo of Dolan in woman’s clothing, or possibly he was a witness to an ugly incident of some kind that would do big damage to Dolan’s reputation and he’s kept it under wraps all these years.

      There really is no other explanation, it can’t be that Dolan just really likes Isiah and is blindly loyal to the guy.

    17. Because you assume Dolan is a decent and sensible person with a touch on reality like most of those 7 billion people. He lives in a bubble and things don’t matter to him.

      Put it this way. Imagine if at your job, no one could really tell you what to do, no matter how good or bad job you do. In fact it’s the other way around. You’re free to do whatever you wish with everyone else at your job.

      Then in your personal life, you can buy what you want. Go to any place. Hire people to cook, drive, wipe your rear, etc. Most people that see you act like “yes men”, too scared to ever contradict you.

      Wouldn’t you have a distorted view of reality? Would you really want to hang out with Bob the Builder, or someone that shares your warped view of reality?

      Dolan reminds me a lot like Sterling (although, admittedly, Sterling was a worse person, which is a very low bar to crawl under, yet Sterling did so). Essentially, “I am super rich so I can do whatever I want. I don’t give a damn if what I’m saying is awful. You can’t tell me what to do.”

      Heck, remember during the actual Browne-Sanders trial the way that the lawyers talked about Dolan? Like he was irate at them for telling him he couldn’t say certain things.

    18. There really is no other explanation, it can’t be that Dolan just really likes Isiah and is blindly loyal to the guy.

      Again, though, this is a guy who lives his life without consequences, so why can’t it just be that he really, really likes Isiah and is blindly loyal to the guy?

    19. Thanks. I don’t know what to say if he thinks she made it up and Zeke denies saying what was said. Admittedly the jury system is imperfect, but this seems more like two stubborn men who refuse to admit they are wrong. Unfortunately the world is full of liars.

    20. “We totally understood (the criticism surrounding my hiring),” Thomas said. “Got it, accepted it. And not only accepted it, but respected it — their thoughts, their feelings around this issue.”

      It’s amazing how slimy Isaiah is. And how dumb Dolan is. This is the kind of stupidity that almost verges on performance art.

    21. Let’s hope he has a longer productive career than Fields did.

      I want every 2nd round pick to be like Fields. Amazing as a rookie, tails off over time, and then gets signed by a divisional rival to do almost nothing on the basketball court. We should pray that we get more players like Fields on the Knicks.

      And just remember, folks: PAWS40 had Hassan Whiteside as one of the best players of his class… and now he’s one of the best centers in the league after no one would give him PT for like five years.

    22. Isiah is:
      1. Smarter than James Dolan
      2. A sociopath
      3. Undoubtedly a master in the art of kissing James Dolan’s ass

      Isiah probably constantly strokes Dolan’s ego, telling him how much he loves JD and the Straight Shot and especially the song about Trayvon Martin and how awesome his fedora looks. He probably tells J.D. that he’s really a misunderstood genius and that someday together they’ll prove everybody wrong, and someday they’ll ride down the canyon of heroes together in the most glorious sports celebration New York has ever seen, and they’ll be the coolest dudes in the history of New York.

      I don’t think Isiah has any pictures of Dolan giving the old “how’s it goink” to a golden retriever or something. I think Isiah is just a really, really good brownnoser.

    23. “PAWS40 had Hassan Whiteside as one of the best players of his class… and now he’s one of the best centers in the league after no one would give him PT for like five years”
      Whiteside’s failure to find a steady job and his subsequent bursting onto the scene is one of the more puzzling scouting busts in recent years. With teams desperately searching for talented big men, it’s stunning that no one gave him much of a real shot. Did he improve that much, or was he that good all along and, somehow, everyone missed it? Or, is he that much of a headache that teams ignored his talent because they thought that he wasn’t worth the trouble? Strange to say the least.

    24. How many of us were ready to write off Cleanthony Early? Clearly he sucks, right? Until he started playing this pre-season, right? Well, I wager there’s an undiscovered Larry Bird out there that’s doing construction work because someone thought he wasn’t good enough to play. What was the story about Michael Jordan? He didn’t make his varsity HS team.

      I coached a travel-rec baseball team about 8 years ago. On that team I had six HS varsity players, one was all-county. But my cleanup hitter, a super-fast outfielder who hit 10 HRs in a 20 game season for me, didn’t make the varsity squad – even though his pals on my team that were on the varsity team lobbied for him. I called the coach on the kid’s behalf and the coach said to me “What makes you think you know more than I do?”

      And my ace starting pitcher, who hurled 2 no-hitters and had an ERA of under 2 for me, didn’t make his HS varsity roster either. He didn’t even get a tryout because “he’s too short to be a pitcher”.

      So, when I hear about some kid that didn’t get a shot at any level, I think of Tyler and Mike.

    25. Whiteside racked up really good numbers in his one college season, but he played for a Conference USA team so he got overlooked a bit. The scouting reports on him at the time he was drafted were mostly very positive, with some scouts comparing him to players like Tyson Chandler and DeAndre Jordan. Which is, of course, exactly the kind of player he appears to be developing into, so it’s not like the scouts were dead wrong.

    26. The MJ story is a bit of BS. He was put on the JV because he was a freshman and that was the coach’s policy. Jordan was moved to the varsity after a few games because of how obviously good he was.

    27. It should also be mentioned that Whiteside was very raw coming out of college and was not a productive player in the D-League at ages 21 and 22, and that he hurt his knee his second year as a pro and missed a bunch of the season, leading to the Kings waiving him. So, to sum up: second round pick, played in a podunk college conference, did not stand out in two pedestrian years in the D-League, hurt his knee, got waived by a bad team… It’s easy to see why other teams wrote him off, especially if he had a reputation of being a “difficult” personality.

    28. Or, is he that much of a headache that teams ignored his talent because they thought that he wasn’t worth the trouble? Strange to say the least.

      I think it is roughly 80% his personality that kept him from even sticking as a bench player on teams the last couple of years. We’ve seen it plenty of times, “difficult” players are always going to have a harder time sticking with teams. I am not even saying that that is unreasonable, really.

    29. The MJ story is a bit of BS. He was put on the JV because he was a freshman and that was the coach’s policy. Jordan was moved to the varsity after a few games because of how obviously good he was.

      Jordan’s issue was that he had a growth spurt as a junior. He grew roughly 7 inches as a junior. But yeah, his story got a lot more play than it probably deserved, but a lot of that was due to Jordan and his never forgetting any slight, no matter how small.

    30. It should also be mentioned that Whiteside was very raw coming out of college and was not a productive player in the D-League at ages 21 and 22, and that he hurt his knee his second year as a pro and missed a bunch of the season, leading to the Kings waiving him. So, to sum up: second round pick, played in a podunk college conference, did not stand out in two pedestrian years in the D-League, hurt his knee, got waived by a bad team… It’s easy to see why other teams wrote him off, especially if he had a reputation of being a “difficult” personality.

      well, yeah. I mean look at this board, there is a fair percentage of regulars who are of that mindset, where if the player doesn’t fit the preconceived “star” template he is written off at the first opportunity.

    31. I also hate Isiah because of how the Catholic school coach from Hoop Dreams would talk about him like he was a demigod. It is still one of my favorite documentaries even with that smiling psychopath in it, though.

    32. @37
      Sociopath is the exact right word for Isiah Thomas. That’s what he is.

      “One can smile and smile, and be a villain.” See, even Shakespeare knew him!

    33. “I don’t know why we’re even considering Travis Trice. The guy went undrafted. That means 30 NBA GMs, including stat guys and Michael Jordan, the greatest basketball player of all time, all passed on him in the draft. Remember, these guys have millions of dollars to invest in the world’s best scouts, statistical expert, and have access to things we only dream of (like video highlights on YouTube’s Platinum Service). And after going through all that, every team decided to pass on him!

      So ergo, he’s obviously not very good at the basketball.”

      Don’t be to hard on them GMs. Sometimes it takes them 7,826 NBA minutes or so, but eventually they figure it out.

    34. On another note, did anyone look at Zeller’s so called block on Porzingis? In slow motion, it looks like a foul, and Zeller didn’t get much ball, but hit Zinger’s arms so that he couldn’t reach the rim with the ball. Surprised the announcers didn’t pick up on it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xzX9SqfsYA

    35. On a side note when did being a Giants fan become more annoying/frustrating/perplexing than being a Knicks fan. Jesus Christ I cant watch a Giants game anymore w/o having a few WTF moments because of stupid plays and calls.

    36. On a side note when did being a Giants fan become more annoying/frustrating/perplexing than being a Knicks fan. Jesus Christ I cant watch a Giants game anymore w/o having a few WTF moments because of stupid plays and calls.

      The NFC East is big, man.

    37. Wow, check out the response from Executive VP of MSG Barry Watkins on Sanders’ response to Isiah and Dolan’s latest crap:

      “Not surprisingly, Anucha Browne Sanders has made a statement refuting the truth, and honestly, what would anyone expect her to say?”

      How the hell can they act so arrogant when they were found freaking guilty and never appealed the verdict??

    38. Say whaaaaaaaaa? I sort of get Dolan and Thomas, we know those guys are kind of scummy, but just some random ass MSG VP is dropping stuff like that? Daaaang.

    39. On another note, did anyone look at Zeller’s so called block on Porzingis? In slow motion, it looks like a foul, and Zeller didn’t get much ball, but hit Zinger’s arms so that he couldn’t reach the rim with the ball. Surprised the announcers didn’t pick up on it.

      Saw that too. Potentially could have been called afoul, but I don’t think KP has the kind of clout to be given a bit of special treatment on those type of calls.

      Speaking of Trice and D-League guys, has anyone tracked N’dour over the pre-season? I haven’t followed much outside of the Knicks, so it would be interesting to see how much he is being used considering the offer he got to get him. Given our situation with the camp guys, I am not sure Fish would have given much burn so far even if he was on our list at the moment.

    40. You have to wonder to what degree is this on Adam Silver’s radar. He bounced Donald Sterling on lifetime achievement but ultimately on an illegally recorded conversation.

      James Dolan has had numerous moments that can be charitably described as weird and gross. That email exchange he had with the fan last year, the one with spelling and grammar errors a child would make, is pretty much the Dolan experience in a nutshell. Now Jimmy is going on national TV and is going to negatively comment on Anucha Browne Sanders. It’s stupid and vicious.

      As far as the NBA doing anything, I bet a major hurdle is that Dolan owns the Garden, too. How much value does the Knicks franchise owe to their association with the Garden?

    41. According to a couple articles I read, NDour was in danger of getting cut and is also now hurt — out indefinitely with a stress fracture in his leg

    42. Speaking of Trice and D-League guys, has anyone tracked N’dour over the pre-season? I haven’t followed much outside of the Knicks, so it would be interesting to see how much he is being used considering the offer he got to get him.

      I mentioned it in another thread. Looks like he is injured and will be cut by dallas. I still liked his potential and wouldn’t mind him playing for Westchester. One of the writers here wrote a long piece on him, so maybe he’ll want to do a follow up with some additional film breakdown.

    43. That is disappointing to hear about N’Dour. Stress fractures can be problematic as well, but it would be good if the Westies pick him up, just so we can have him close by.

    44. @46 – Thanks for the link about Isiah being a sociopath. On the one hand I think that in most cases, both sides of a he-says-she-says conflict have threads of truth in them. On the other hand, this is Isiah Thomas and I can’t say there’s too much good about him other than when he was on the floor of an NBA court. There Isiah was masterful. I really don’t know how much is true and how much is an exaggeration about him. What I do know is that he sucked as a GM and I want no part of him now. He needs to fade into the dark annals of Knick history. Sadly, his best friend owns the Knicks.

    45. Man, watching that Dolan/Isiah stuff just makes me cringe. The Knicks are not an easy team to root for, I will tell you that.

    46. I’m much more moved by his trying to pin his overdose on his daughter, that’s rock bottom. As to the sexual harassment stuff, who knows? Frankly sounded pretty typical of the corporate world in general. Difference is, Anucha sued, while many women at that time, and still today, sadly just move on, often out of fear of derailing their professional and personal lives. My wife is a therapist and has dealt with victims first hand.

      Magic (cheated 1000s of times), Jordan (gambling, general douchiness) , Kobe (sexual assault), Bird (estranged family), and Ewing (paternity issues) all had pretty serious character flaws. But Isiah has the longest record of sustained sociopathy and high-level professional failure.

    47. Given our situation with the camp guys, I am not sure Fish would have given much burn so far even if he was on our list at the moment.

      Yeah, we figured he’d be playing more or less the role that Williams has. I still like him more than Lance, though. Shame about the injury.

    48. When the Knicks win two championships in five years I will start complaining about the Giants….

      Although that was a horrible game last night, no doubt…

    49. Plenty of room on the Jets bandwagon y’all. Lamestream media hasn’t even noticed that they’re 4-1 yet.

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